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REGULAR MEETING OCTOBER 24, 2016 up to a fiscal cliff spending as much money as you can, you approach it as conservatively as you can. Councilmember Dr. Varner stated his proposal is that the salary ordinance is reworked so that any position on the salary ordinance which had an increase of two percent (2 %) to five percent (5 %) proposed will receive the increase as proposed. Any proposal on the salary ordinance which exceed five percent (5 %) but were less than ten percent (10 %) shall receive a four percent (4 %) increase. That is an even across the board number. Anyone with greater than a ten percent (10 %) to whatever the maximum amount was, shall receive a five percent (5 %) raise. He stated he chose three, four, and five percent (3 %, 4 %, 5 %) because by and large the numbers we are working with for everyone else are those percentages. By and large that is where we have been in the past years. We have increased some salaries in the past and while we have some very good staff, we also have some very well paid staff. Councilmember Dr. David Varner made a motion to amend Bill 36 -16 as he just previously described. Councilmember Oliver Davis seconded the motion. Chairperson Gavin Ferlic asked for discussion on the amendment. Councilmember Dr. David Varner clarified his proposal. He stated five percent (5 %) raises on some of these salaries are very large raises and if you do it for a couple of years you could go a long way to bringing them up to where they want to be. He stated what he doesn't want to see happen is we continue with raises and spending and then we reach the fiscal cliff and then there is talk about raising taxes. We know this fiscal cliff is coming and should prepare for it. Councilmember White asked if Councilmember Dr. David Varner asked what the dollar amount of savings is that would be that would come from this proposal. Councilmember Dr. David Varner stated we would have that calculated if this is adopted. Councilmember White stated she believed this would lead to some positions not being funded correctly because you would have some inequities since some salaries have not been funded at the level they should have been. Councilmember Tim Scott stated while we did receive the summation of all the salaries that were being increased more than two percent (2 %) two (2) weeks ago, they were all part of the public presentations that go back to day one (1) when we started the budget process. He stated he was fully aware of what the Legal Department had presented in their PowerPoint and yellow sheets when those came up. We were fully aware of what these salaries were as they came down to us. It is a very nice to have a summation of the salaries but they were all there from the beginning. Councilmember Voorde stated he agrees with Councilmember Scott that all the information was there, the light wasn't focused on it until we received the actual ordinance. He stated we have to be very careful about using TIF funding for salaries. The Council when suggesting using TIF to alleviate the burden on the General Fund probably meant in terms of capital projects and public safety. If we start to fund ongoing City operations with TIF funds, we better be careful because every session the Indiana Legislature considers curtailing TIF funds. Councilmember Williams- Preston stated she likes the idea of this amendment in refiguring the ordinance but she stated it is hard for her to be able to say that is actually what we should do. There are probably some cases of these increases that make sense because there was actually a change in responsibilities. It would be hard to just do this across the board. She stated she isn't sure what the answer is but is pretty sure this isn't it. Chairperson Gavin Ferlic called for a roll call on Councilmember Dr. David Varner's amendment to Bill 63 -16. The motion failed by a roll call vote of seven (7) nays and two (2) ayes. (Councilmember Dr. David Varner and Councilmember Oliver Davis). Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to send Bill 63 -16 to the full Council with an unfavorable recommendation. There was no second to the motion. The motion failed. Councilmember Tim Scott made a motion to send Subsitutue Bill 63 -16 to the full Council with a favorable recommendation. Councilmember Jo M. Broden seconded the motion which carried 20