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carefully. It's like porcupine quills, when you pull those out it cracks out the jamb stock. Also not recommended is the new pine wood stock. They're not rot resistant. Existing jamb openings are out ofsquare I think that's problematic. What is recommended in a window of this circumstances? The sashes are old growth poplar. Probably the wood for this house came from within 50 miles or less of this house. Came from forests that were native poplar and were humungous back then. The wood used would have been 100+ years old. That should be retained it's an important part of the house. Of course, the old glass is there, it's wavy; it's irregular, and its part of the history of the house that should be kept. Wood storm windows, or any kind of storm windows were not originally on the house. So, I do want to get that out there. However, having worked on federal historic tax credit projects before, those are allowed to be introduced. You would do it in such a way with the appropriate historic hardware and do it in such a way that you didn't damage the surrounding window trim. At a later date, if someone wants to remove those they can. I would recommend whether you actually approve replacement windows or restore the existing, slightly jack up the bay. It is tilting towards the west, and it's creating an irregular gap. And finally, I'd recommend weatherstripping; it does a whole lot ofgood. My conclusion is that this property is outstanding. It's rated outstanding, it's an important neighborhood, and this is the one that's considered outstanding... one of only several in that neighborhood. We have an obligation to guard that. I would conclude that you need to deny the request for replacement windows. Patrick: Paul, I have one question for you. Hayden: Sure. Patrick: In the storm windows, and I know that you don't want to install them, but I just want to be clear. With the little hinge, they're never actually lifted up and put up and taken down, they just remain in place they just tilt out when you want them to? Hayden: Yes, and that is the option. You could take them down if you need to, or leave them for, and push them out for ventilation, they usually have a handle on the inside, pull them shut and then latch. Patrick: So the homeowner would have the option of taking them up and down or just kicking them out for ventilation? My neighbor does that on his. Hayden: It's what I've got on my own house. Thank you very much. Klusczinski: Another hand? Hodson: I'm Colin Hodson, and Ilive at 807 Ashland Avenue in Chapin Park. I want to first say that I'm not an expert in anything that has to do with old homes. However, I was on the second committee for the Chapin Park neighborhood association that worked on the standards, not the final committee that Tim was talking about, but the original body that took examples from other districts and came up with the base set of samples that was finalized into what we have today. I do have kind of a vested interested in that I already have a lot of hours dedicated to the principles that we're hoping to uphold by having those standards in place. That's about the only thing that I have intimate knowledge of other than my visual aid is a certificate that I got when I went to the 3 day workshop on restoring wood, double hung sash windows of the type that we're talking about today. I'm not a particularly handy guy, but what we did was took down, disassembled, restored and replaced 8 ft double hung windows in the old synagogue building, built in 1901. A new one. I understand though that double hung wood windows have not changed a whole lot over the years. I was amazed that the windows we took apart and I worked with a 19 year old girl, the two of us with the guidance of Bob Yapp, in one weekend, the two of us who had never done that before completed the window. I was amazed and astounded by what you can do. The techniques we used make the windows fit a little better. Since I did the seminar back in 2005, I've restored a number of the windows in my house, not all of them or as many as I should have, but I've done them We've repaired some pretty extensive damage. When we got finished with it, it took two or three people to get those counterweights back in and that top sash all the way up. The tops of sashes are an arch. When we got done they were just beautiful, some of them had, uh... well, that's irrelevant, X