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unit. I think that we've all experienced in a window that's not open, the window can actually jiggle around a little when it goes up and down. New windows require two perfectly pressurized vinyl tracks and it's the consistency of it's pressure, what happens is it goes up just like that then it sticks. Endele: But then it's not insulating enough. If I restore it, and maybe they go up and down but there is a space between the sashes and the frame. Sassano: That's easy to insulate with standard weather stripping. Enderle: But I assume that they work, yes. Klusczinski: I'm sure that's something that could be adjusted or remedied too. I'm sure that the frames could be slightly racked or shimmed or something... Sassano: The sash frame or the windows frame? Klusczinski: The windowframe. Sassano: What you have to remember is that all of those windows were built on site and they could have been built out of square. I mean, they were carpentry, they didn't order them and off load them off of a truck. So if they're not square, that's how they were built. Klusczinski: So it's an original example of craftsmanship now? Sassano: Well, that was never in doubt. Riley: Did you have a letter that you wanted to read? Klusczinski: I did. Riley: From.... Klusczinski: I slipped it in... Riley: From Joan... Klusczinski: We're not at the public hearing yet. I'll try to hurry up. very good. Thank you professor. Is there any member of the public willing to speak in support of the petition? Hearing none, seeing none. Is there any member of the public wishing to speak in opposition to the current position? Name and address for the record sir. Hayden: My name is Paul Hayden, and my address is 402 W Washington Street in South Bend. For the last 30 years, I've worked as a restoration contractor in the West Washington district and the surrounding areas. For the last year I've been a preservation consultant with Historic Landmarks Foundation. I'd like to take this opportunity to let you know that I made a site visit to this property on 101212007. I was able to inspect the windows and sashes for this bay window in question. I just made some notes, and wanted to review those. Sashes appeared to be original on all four, both upper and lower. The corners on the upper sashes were loose so they had dropped down a bit and that was causing gaps. Some of the wood at the bottoms was slightly soft, as some moisture had gotten in there and some of the wood was creating rot. Window glaze was in pretty good to fair condition. There was a minor amount ofpeeling paint, and I'd say that judging from the amount of peeling, the windows had been painted in about the last five or so years. There was a slight angle at the bottom of the sash where the sash met the sill. There was a little bit of a gap there that would have to be addressed. That was not the fault of the window; the bay has sunk slightly in the foundation. Some missing things were also important- there was no sign of weather stripping on any of the windows. Nor any sign that it had been applied. I didn't find any remnants of storm window hardware, that would indicate tome that a wood storm window was not original. I just wanted to get that out and say that out front. Also, what was a little unusual on these was the lack of a window stop. In typical construction for double hung windows you'd have an upper sash that's held in place by a window stop and then you have the outer casing. There was no window stop on this which was a little different then you would typically see. So, based on that, I want to make a few comments... here's what I feel strongly about, 1. the preservation creed, first, do no harm. Don't tear out something that can be repaired. Leave it in place. Sash pacs remove the original sashes, the glass, the pulley system and damage the window jambs. Having worked on houses that have sash pacs that rot and deteriorate over the years, this is a problem that I want to impress upon- most window pulleys are pressed into the sides of the jamb, many contactors just hack them out, they're very difficult to remove