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go by and seethe building, the other thing that I want to talk about is practicality. The fact
<br />is if Mr. Enderle ever moves out of his house then any guarantees that the windows might
<br />be preserved is gone. The practical fact of the matter is that if I moved into a house and by
<br />the way, I want to thank Mr. Enderle for buying and preserving that house, it's beautiful. I
<br />wish my house was as beautiful as yours, but it never will be. My house is more value
<br />because it's as beautiful, and the neighborhood benefits because it's beautiful. The point
<br />that I wanted to make was that ifI bought that house or someone else bought it from Dr.
<br />Enderle, it may just be a dusty pile of junk to me. I might stack my books on it, or it might
<br />get knocked over by the kids when they're playing down there, and I'm going to sweep it all
<br />out into the bin behind the house and that will be the last that we ever see of that. If you
<br />want to preserve something, leave it where it is, and that would probably be the best way to
<br />preserve it, that's just my practical viewpoint.
<br />Klusczinski: Thank you.
<br />Chase: I think you're bringing up epoxy is so important because it seems to be a point of
<br />disbelieffor so many people. That you can repair it better than it was. Many people just
<br />don't believe it. They think that glue is glue and putty is putty, but not what they do with
<br />windows.
<br />Hodson: In fact, I have a fireplace in the inglenook in the entrance to my house and
<br />someone had broken out some of the brick that fronts it. I got a different version of that
<br />epoxy and I just kind of pasted it in there, after cleaning the brick and chiseled and sanded
<br />it and even put the grout line in and you can't even tell it. It's amazing.
<br />Kroll: My name is Mark Kroll and I live at 819 Park Avenue, South Bend. I've been a
<br />contractor since 1968 and sometime in the mid-80s I started specializing in old home
<br />restoration. I've restored hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of windows. And, just
<br />like the last gentleman said, restoring windows is one of the easiest things. Any carpenter
<br />with just modest skills can restore an old wood window properly, and they will work like
<br />brand new. Lift up and down with one finger. They seal well, they insulate well, the
<br />addition of screens and storms whether they're inside or outside will give you your
<br />insulation factor. You know, you have in your guidebook, on page 81, it says in case of
<br />structures located within the district that are designated individually as landmarks, the
<br />most restrictive guidelines shall apply. We know we're talking about 4 windows today, but
<br />we're not, we're not just talking about every window in that house, but in that
<br />neighborhood. If a house of that significance is allowed, to replace with something that
<br />isn't exactly the same, and I've worked with those Marvin windows on jobs and I'll tell you
<br />the jobs that we used them on were houses that were burned and in the ghetto. It's not a
<br />very good product. I've never been happy with them, and just as Mr. Sassano talked about,
<br />the operation with them, a new unit in an old frame is bound to have problems. Somebody
<br />will slam a door and the top sash will come down, I mean you know you're constantly
<br />going out to readjust the tension on those jamb liners. Remember, you're putting metal
<br />jamb liners into wood, and that is visible from the outside. Like Paul Hayden mentioned,
<br />the only way that you're getting that jamb liner is to pull those pulleys out, and somewhere
<br />it says that you're to maintain the hardware not just the, the hardware parts. You're not
<br />going to have the same hardware parts. Those are probably going to get destroyed in the
<br />process. Let's see, I have done work on this house for the previous owner and I was asked
<br />about the windows, not asked for an estimate at that time but for my opinion, but my
<br />opinion then and now is that they're very restorable, they're no where near the state of
<br />some that we've... we had a mill shop we could build sash and have built sash. We've done
<br />additions on historic homes where we would match the sash and build it exactly like the ret
<br />of the house. These windows will stick out like a sore thumb, I guarantee you that. You
<br />walk by, you are going to know, and then once you have that, now what do we do? As Mr.
<br />Klusczinski said, it's really an all or nothing thing. It's not going to have the same
<br />appearance, I guarantee you that. You're going to see those metal jamb liners. Like I say,
<br />we used to build wood storms, some people wanted them inside, some outside, we could fit
<br />them however. The nice thing about storms is even if they're not original to the structure
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