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Zeiger: Plus the 'lz inch at the sill Enderle: Yes Zeiger: So that becomes more than 2 inches difference Enderle: Yes Zeiger: Over 2 inches is a significant change in the windows in my opinion Enderle: But you have the numbers here. And if you look from outside, I wonder if you could see that difference. Zeiger: I can see it. Enderle: The about the cooperation with the Commission, that is my third point. That really I am grateful to Jerry Ujdak, particularly, he came to my house and checked the windows and he said first it is very clear that this window never had exterior storm windows. It would be a shame to push exterior storm windows on my house. That was the position as you know... Klusczinski: That may be, but unfortunately that is hearsay, since Mr. Ujdak isn't here to substantiate... Enderle: Others have, my house never had exterior storms and it's in the minutes. And I was fighting against that from the beginning and your Commission and some Commissioners, Wayne Doolittle first wanted me at first to put exterior storm windows there because I was not allowed to have double paned windows there. Now Mr. Ujdak said two days ago he could find a solution with a double pane ... What I am saying is that I do not have a clear proposal from the Commission up to now which does not force me to put interior storm windows and nor interior storm windows and to force me to have windows with single pane that in my view is inacceptable. That was my third point. Klusczinski: Professor Enderle, I think here on November 19 I read in detail Catherine Hostetler's letter to you that had recommendations from the Commission specifically and Just as a point of clarification the topic on the floor was never whether you were allowed to have two glasses, as you say, or whether or not there was an insulated glass; but every form of insulated double paned glass that you proposed also had an accompanying frame and that additional .window sill with it.. That is a whole different ball of wax... In November, Mr. Ujdak was present and the minutes may reflect that he was aware of a manufacturer that made an encapsulated double paned glass that had an Argon or Krypton filling in it, the could possibly be retro-fitted into your window units. That was proposed but you did not decline or withdraw your COA at that point, you decided to keep this one active. Enderle: Well... Klusczinski So in order for better solution to come into play, the proposal that is on the table today is one that specifically allows yet another frame and an additional sill as you option for thermo efficiency. Enderle: I proposed a test. Remember? Klusezinski: Right. It was a faulty test Enderle: It was not faulty to compare two types of solutions and to see how it works. Klusczinski: What you didn't propose in your test. As far as a constant, was to fix the window that you had. Compare a new double panes window from the factory with the current window of single paned glass that was not repaired. EnderleBostetler: No, No that was not it. Fully repaired by Mr. Schoberg. 11