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would like to hear if you're interested in the test results how this couldn't be tested outside of a historic property especially one that has a Significant rating in the Chapin Park Historic District. If you couldn't find out another independent way of making this assessment. The 800 lb gorilla in this comparison is this seems like a veiled attempt to do one window because it's not clear, since this is an experiment for a comparative purpose, what is the criteria of aesthetic and thermal impact, how will that be measured, who determines the criteria for the test, how do we find out about, legally what could we do if we weren't pleased with the aesthetic results to reverse this procedure, and what timeframe the test would be completed in. A single pane window will always fail against a double pane window. I think that maybe to make this a fair test, if maybe that was the original intention, would have been to restore the window with some storm window solution to be a comparative for what's being proposed. That would do less to infringe upon the reveal. So those are my thoughts and I appreciate any response and comments that you have about that. Defrees: Regarding the measure of aesthetics of the windows, I really know of no possible test. Klusczinski: So it would fail, it would fail as readily as comparing a single pane window to a double pane window for thermal efficiency, that was kind of my point. Defrees: As far as aesthetics, there's no real way to compare it. Klusczinski: And I'm just reading verbatim how this was proposed. Defrees: So aesthetically, I have no basis, there's no basis as far as I know to measure. As far as the actual physical testing (comments incomplete due to end of tape%hanging tape for recording) Now when we get to things like storm windows, then there's a lot of different things that come into play including the existing profile of the window and how it fits in, how well it can be sealed, as it's a removable pane, it's not glued or sealed in place. We want to look at thermal conductance, but there are all these other matters too. This is an interest to me, because one of the problems that we have to solve is the huge amount of energy usage that we have in America. I understand the differences in costs between old windows and new windows and the functionality of the windows. One thing that is very different is that on the first warm day of spring you want to open up your windows and you have to take down your storms and then for the next three weeks it snows. So you're losing 3-4 weeks in the spring and fall when you could be conserving energy. This is my area of extreme interest. When I was down in AL a few years ago, the coldest weather they have is our warmest, and a couple of the buildings that I saw showed me how important it's going to be how we accomplish historic preservation. Laws change and it affects our buildings. One of the most damaging things is the banning of lead based paint. I saw dozens of houses that have had exteriors stripped off and covered with vinyl siding because the owners can't afford to paint every 2-3 years in their high humidity. Klusczinski: Ifl might stop you, if you'd answer specifically who's in charge of the test? And for what time period? DeFrees: I'll be conducting the test. We'll hope to have a cold day... Klusczinski: I don't mean the day it would be begin, but what duration? DeFrees: Oh, I would do it more than one time period, I would conduct tests at regular intervals over maybe a week's period to see the numbers we'd get. Ujdak: I find this thing kind of interesting. In proposing this test when they know what the results are. Klusczinski: Right. Ujdak: It's a phony test, it's a loaded test. That's like comparing the pace of a snail and a corvette. I can't buy it. I know what's going to happen, and you know what's going to happen. DeFrees: This is why I'm here. Ujdak: No amount of verbiage is going to change this. It's a loaded test. Peterson: I'd like to interject just from a legal standpoint. There's two things; the motivation behind doing it is really in someway is really irrelevant depending on what they're presenting. If they're presenting to do one window, then you're deciding whether it's appropriate to do one window. Whether they're doing tests on it, they're painting what they're doing is irrelevant. If what you're doing is proposing to measure for the rest of your house, then that's a different application. I'm seeking a solution for my whole house and this is one window will present the 12