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windows of the bay to a wood frame Marvin window with the same proportions and operations as, <br />the other window except it contained double paned glass with argon fill which makes it more <br />ejjrcient, but also a low -e coating which also makes it more ejficient as far as the thermal <br />transfer. Single pane glass has absolutely no insulating value at all, so this would be a huge <br />difference. We've looked at other possibilities, and one of them was the possibility of storm <br />windows on the outside, but this house has never had storm windows on the outside. The <br />traditional storm window really needs about an inch and a quarter minimum of reveal on the <br />exterior trim for them to fit. If we tried that, the windows would stick out from the trim and would <br />not fit properly. I feel that this would be a detriment to the appearance of the building and <br />actually there's a number of homes in the area that have done that and architecturally it really <br />does alter the appearance of a building. One of things about our older buildings is that windows <br />were recessed back and placed on a plane further back from the building. This is part of the <br />thing that makes them so attractive. When we put storms on the outside, you're losing the depth <br />of the fagade. This is one of the things that we thought would be a detriment to the house, they'd <br />just look odd. One of the great threats to our historic buildings is how to keep them warm in the <br />winter and comfortable in the summer at the same time. And so, also with a storm we have the <br />problem of having to change them at times of the year that may not exactly be appropriate. <br />Making a decision of when to change windows can still cost money. So, we're looking to rather <br />than change all the windows is to replace them with modern windows and save all the parts if <br />anyone wants to restore them later, that could be done. So, what we're proposing now is to <br />change one window so that we can do two things to see what the difference is, this is a full sized <br />elevation of the drawing, this is the existing condition and the sill and the trim on the side. The <br />one thing that will be different in appearance as far as the profile of everything is the sill that is <br />an integral part of the window and if this is installed you could do two things, rip out the existing <br />sill and insert this in some way, but I don't feel this is desirable. You couldn't reverse the <br />installation later if someone wanted to. We'll end up with windows of the same proportion except <br />for this very slim sill. Sothis is what we've proposed and this is of very great interest tome <br />because I'm interested in energy usage and I'm going to take measurements to see the <br />differences. We're proposing to restore the other existing window to perform as well as it can <br />possibly perform functionally with the windows going up and down and so forth. The thermal <br />performance needs to be evaluated, not just because you have storm windows and two panes, and <br />these modern panes really do save a lot of energy. We will save all of the pieces if someone does <br />want to reverse the process. This is the only visual change which most people will not be able to <br />notice from the street. Any questions? <br />Klusezinski: I'll get to that. Chair opens up discussion for questions for either the petitioner or <br />the staff. I did have a few questions myself. <br />Sporleder: I was just comparing and if you line these up, it looks sort of significant on apiece of <br />paper- like % of an inch difference, but if windows are 6 ft tall, I'm not sure that I'd notice % of <br />an inch. <br />Klusczinksi: Mr. Defrees, I did hear you speak about exterior wood storms and the amount of <br />reveal but I didn't hear you discuss maybe what would be a permanent fix for the person that <br />you're representing and that would be either aluminum storms on the outside that could be <br />removed with the least work being done to the building or interior storms. Maybe the energy <br />potential in savings, and the reason that I'm asking these questions is that this is very much deja <br />vu for a number of us that have been through a couple of C of A's last year. I think that it's <br />important for us to understand the concept of what's happening. I think that last year, and <br />correct me if I'm wrong Professor, you proposed 10 windows out of 54 in your house, and 10 out <br />of 54 back then, it really cries out to me on what energy savings potential the owner of the <br />property would be able to have from that. Some of the windows that were proposed were not <br />those that were in detriment and leaking so much either. So, I was thereat that property and I <br />know the house intimately and it was proposed at that time that maybe other options would better <br />suit the house. I appreciate your opinion and at least as far as I'm trying to get to here, we have <br />standards and guidelines which we have to abide by too, which don't necessarily reflect vision <br />and some of your opinion, so we try to factor that in also. Again, this is just me talking, but I <br />11 <br />
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