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deteriorating the woodwork on the inside, because it must be removed every year, and it's taking off the finish. There is no real appropriate place on the inside to install an interior storm. Patrick: Joann? Sporleder: I'm notfinished. Patrick: Ok, I was just going to ask if you were finished. Sporleder: No, I'm taking a breath. I'm trying to take a breath here. And I appreciate what Tim and Catherine and other members of the Commission have tried very hard to keep this extraordinarily fine structure in as pristine a condition as possible. But the pristine condition means single pane glass, and that is very difficult to live with. Furthermore, I think that no overall harm could come to this structure, nor to the neighbors, not to the integrity of the neighborhood by allowing the use of insulating glass in the way it has been proposed to do using the Marvin windows. Furthermore, I find it extremely interesting in looking at the overall definition of what is or isn't appropriate and what exists in the neighborhood, there are already, by the records here, 50% of the houses in that neighborhood already have aluminum storm windows of one kind or another. A fair number of those are also insulated glass, aluminum clad illuminated, not illuminated, insulating glass. And the standards which refer to these 50% wood windows, 50% aluminum windows, make no allowance for those structures which have no storm windows of any kind whatsoever. So, I don't see that allowing aluminum clad, wood thermal pane windows which absolutely replicate what is already there in appearance is so drastically awful for the neighborhood, or for the house itself. I guess that's what I want to say and thank you very much and thanks to everyone for the enormous amount of dedication that they have put to this effort. Patrick: It's now 10 minutes. I misspoke when I initiated this portion Joann, and that is my fault. I meant to recognize Commissioners with questions for the staff or for the property owner. At this point does anyone have a question for the staff, because I have one question? Zeiger: I have a question when you're done. Patrick: Very good. Zeiger: Is it to my understanding that there is going to be a second window sill installed with this installation? Sporleder: May I speak to that? Zeiger: No, I'm asking the petitioner or staff. My understanding from your presentation is that you're installing a second window sill on top of the existing window sill. In other words are you replacing the sash or the entire jamb unit with a new sill on top? Enderle: Its an insert which means it's a frame. Zeiger: Ok, you answered my question. And I've also understood that there's no historic evidence of storms, is there any evidence that there's been aluminum cladding ever put on this building historically? Enderle: No. Zeiger: I think that's all of my questions. Patrick: I have one quick question for Wayne. In your opinion Wayne, is there another solution other than the one, not to go into great detail, but there is another solution other than the one that has been presented to us in this Certificate of Appropriateness. In your professional opinion, as someone who has attended workshops on historic structures, windows etc, there is a different solution, but it has not been presented? Doolittle: Well, you can add, or you can replace those windows ... I believe that the sashes can be replaced, just the sashes. To fill the same space and with a change of weights on it, if you're using a spring loaded weight then you can accommodate a dual pane glass. It would mean taking out the existing sashes, top and bottom, and replacing them with wood sashes that would also have the dual pane glass on it. You can accommodate the difference in weight by using a different type of pulley system. It would accommodate that weight. Patrick: Thank you. Enderle: May I say something to that solution? We discussed that proposal also, and the problem with that solution is that my windows are not square. And if you have just trim (?) liners 4