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Chase: Mary Jane Chase, abstaining. I think that the changes that were made convolute what <br />we're trying to do. <br />Zeiger: I vote no, Todd. <br />Peterson: Again, you don't need to take action to submit this into the evidence. You can take the <br />prior minutes and add it in, but I think it has to be (unintelligible). What I was anticipating was <br />that if there was evidence already admitted from site visits and things like that, you could either <br />restate that evidence of factual note into it now, or you could just incorporate by reference as <br />documented in the minutes that have been submitted to you. Just, uh... <br />Patrick: Can we just take the counselor's comments and incorporate it as per his reference? <br />Peterson: Yes. <br />Patrick: Very good Id like to return to any Commissioner comments. Do we have any <br />Commissioner comments or questions for the applicant? <br />Sporleder: For the applicant or just comments? <br />Patrick: This is the portion where the President recognizes Commissioners with questions for <br />the Staff or the property owner. <br />Klusczinski: I have a question for the petitioner. Uh, Professor, you admitted that restoration is <br />feasible for the windows that we're discussing tonight. But 1 guess I'm not clear on what <br />specialist helped you make the determination that storm windows are not an option, or could not <br />be applied to the windows that you have. <br />Enderle: I think that we had that site visit, and we also have the drawings, and they show clearly <br />that storm windows can not be placed on top of the frame, it's too small. <br />Klusczinski: I think the drawing that you're referring to which was submitted for the prior <br />meeting in October only suggests that the illustration and the form that you presented drawn in is <br />not necessarily the best option for exterior storm. But, interior storms are still a possibility, and <br />a modified exterior storm would be a possibility too as far as I'm concerned. <br />Enderle: Modified? That solution is practically not possible because there is almost no space <br />between that storm window in the sash. Inside, of course many things are possible. Last year ' <br />and this year I have stretched the plastic over the windows and that is possible. Maybe next year <br />I have to do the same thing. But to place interior storm windows which goes inside and is not <br />convenient, Ido not want that. And it has never been so. I don't know why you want to intrude <br />my privacy there. <br />Klusczinski: Just for point of clarification, the only points that I'm making are relevant to the <br />structure that we're discussing which happens to be your house, and also a local landmark. <br />Enderle: The structure, as I said, is the same. Also the same paint. I also asked because you <br />asked me about four weeks ago, you told me that those clad windows can not be repainted, and <br />that's not true. I talked to Bruce Darr and he said that could be done even today, but that would <br />not make sense. I said maybe in five or ten years, ifl had no clad aluminum, I would have to <br />paint every two or three years. And I have 54 windows. <br />Patrick: I'll now initiate a second five minute period. Please continue. Do we have any other <br />questions by a Commissioner? <br />Sporleder: If I may pickup on the discussion. Were you finished Tim? <br />Klusczinski: I was, yes go ahead. <br />Sporleder: I didn't mean to intrude if you weren't finished. If I could pick up on the discussion <br />between the exterior storm window and the interior storm window. The exterior storm, on these <br />four windows, there is no evidence that there ever ever were or was storm windows on the <br />exterior, as one might have expected. There is no physical evidence; furthermore there is no <br />place to put them, period. There really is no place to put an exterior window in that location. So <br />one is left with the option of considering what Professor Enderle is suggesting which maintains <br />the overall appearance of the existing windows in terms of scale, size, color, dimension of sash, <br />etc. It will to all purposes replicate what is in fact, there. It is true that the existing window <br />could in fact be taken out and restored. However, once they are restored, they are still single <br />pane glass. So, one is still faced with the possibility ofsome kind of storm window now only <br />available on the inside. So they can continue to stretch plastic as he's continued to do which is <br />3 <br />