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on the right and the left side, we have to adjust the whole frame of the window, so that makes this solution very dijficult. Patrick: Professor, you... Zeiger: May I ask a follow up question, because that's what I was asking about as well. So what I'm hearing is that you're not only proposing to replace the windows, but you're also discussing narrowing down the entire opening by a significant amount. Enderle: It's not significant, it's about % an inch. Zeiger: Plus the newjamb. Enderle: No, no all included. Zeiger: How are you installing a new jamb in an area that you're saying is out of plumb? Enderle: I can give you the measures, but it's very thin. Zeiger: But the answer that I'm hearing is that you are narrowing down the existing opening. Enderle: I gave the measurements in the report, and I can read them again. Zeiger: That's not necessary, you answered my question. Patrick: If there are no more questions... Hostetler: I have a question. Patrick: Oh great, another Commissioner question. Hostetler: I spoke with Bruce Darr at Werntz Supply, the local Marvin window dealer regarding Professor Enderle's Certificate of Appropriateness application for replacement sashes. He said that he gave Professor Enderle approximately eight different options Patrick: Eight different options? Hostetler: ... eight different options or different types of window solutions for this particular problem and Professor Enderle again chose aluminum clad double hung the Ultimate Insert which is $484.88. The cost of a plain wooden window of the same product line but just plain wood is $484.88 if it is primed on the exterior it costs $498.56. Marvin does not make interior storms. Professor Enderle would not need interior storms with the Marvin double paned replacement sashes. My question is for all of the times that we've been discussing this, and I know that you had Joann there when you met with Nr. Darr is why did you insist on continuing to_. pursue using aluminum clad double hung wood windows when a good paint job on a wood window would last you twenty years? Enderle: My answer is quick because 1 asked Mr. Darr how, or when do I have to repaint those wood windows and he said every two or three years. In two or three years, and that is the reason. Aluminum clad takes maybe ten or twenty years, but if for instance if we want to change the color than we can do that. I think that aluminum clad is the appropriate solution because I don't have to repaint the house every three years, or a number of windows, and from outside there is no change at all. The appearance is exactly the same. Patrick: Thank you. If there are no more questions. I see a comment from staff. Doolittle: Yes, I want to make another point. The window is not out of square. The hole that the window sits in is out of square. And in talking to the gentleman from Marvin windows, he didn't quite understand that. He said, well you could put an aluminum window in there, and you just fill it in, which didn't make any sense to me. Again, its the hole that the window sits in that's out of square, it's not the window. Its ok, and with a wood window, you could accommodate that and make it fit. 1 just wanted to get that clear, that it is not the window itself, it is not the sashes.. Enderle: No, not the sashes, the frame. Doolittle: So you have to treat whatever goes in there the same way. If it is a steel window, an aluminum window, whatever kind it is its going to be square and be sitting in an out of square hole. Patrick: Thank you. The timer is going to go off in just about a minute, and we've spent over 15 minutes on this. What I'd like to do now is open up the public hearing portion to any member of the public wishing to speak in favor of the CoA. I'll recognize each for a maximum of 5 minutes if there is anyone that would like to speak in favor of this CoA. In favor of the CoA as currently submitted, for the aluminum clad windows. I'm not seeing any hands raised nor anyone approaching the podium, so I would like to then summon any member of the public wishing to 5