11/07/1939 Special Mtg Board of Public Safety Minutes

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� 46 SPECIAL�:T�ZEETIidG--NGV�'tiiBER7, 1939, con�inued P,4R. PAVL'Y: Lavvs must be carried out and tve represent 104,000 people and you have no reason to be alarmed as lon� as you s�ay clithin " the 1 a�v. T.iR. �E�:�ER: You maintain i� is legal to keep a man out of employ- �ent if ne has not paid �is dues? �-SR. S��`JITZ�H; That does not enter into this. " ��IF�. BE��:ER: I think it en�ers in�o it very r:iaterially. It is the trJhole essenee of �his controversy. It is a question of �vhat is the right of individuals. Your rights are pretty tivell outlined by the ac- tion of the le�islature and the interpretation oi the courts. That is the laia. ly:R. S;�ITZ�R: That is not a question until it is a breach of law , and i� is not a breach of lativ to keep a man out of �rork. I�t'I'3. BEIaIr�R: Can you find any place in the law ��iere you have that right? If a man demands to go in and was not let in because he had not paid his dues, does he not have a right to demand assistance from the ;� police to get in under the la�;J? I I�ZR. S��JITZER: Under some circumstances. I! I�iR. BEAI�TER. Under these circumstances. I am talking abcut the , circumstances that existed at 4livers. I.2R. S�'�fITZER: ,�dhat do �re l�oti� about circusnstances? T:iR. BEl�?,iER: T arn talking about the circu�stances that e:�isted at the Oliver plant at tne ti.me tive are discussing,� P,ZR. S;'dITZER: It is not necessar� that I sta�e de�initel�. T�e burden is on you to justify your acticns in this case. rrqR. aGDEi�: Every tirie a person becomes behind in his dues, we are justified in calling a strike. �ile have our moral rights to maintain a strike. I!TR. ?�L�cE'."1ATT: VJe have a right to maintain peaceful pic��et lines. PrTR. BEAl�,'�r�: As long as you maintain a picket line peacefully, that isyour right. Iti?R. T.icE'�VAiV; �rJhat is a peaceful picket line? ?.iR. S�IJITZER: Let them ans��ler that. lrlR. I3Er'L4ER: You are an a�ttorney, Lir. S��itzer. T�7R. S'v�fITZER: I wontt define i� for you. You are the gentle�en tivho are defining our rights and it is up to you to tell us. Since gou en- force the layr that z�va�r, you should apprise the-se men ��rhat �rour policies ar e. v , TvIR. 14�cEI�dAi1; tiVho is the 2ggressor t^rhen you pu� a man through the picket lines? MR. S:`�TIITZ�R: Let the Board tell us, as the Boarct is the one ti�rho sets do�1n these la:�vs. Let them define �^rh�t is ri�ht. TJIR. BEt'�.T,TER: I understand a peaceiul picl:et line to be one that is rnaintained ��here a dispute ex�sts bet�reen an employer and his ernployees aa�d the employees pic�et for the purpose oi inforinin� the public of their demands, the nature of t�e controversy and e�orting per:ons not to go into the place of business, so long �.s no violence cr thre�ts are used to keep them out. I do not understand a pe�ceful pic�et line to be one Y�here people are l�ept our forceablg or by t��eats tivhere they have a lati�- f'ul right to enter. P.gR. S,�ITZER: You feel that it is an illegal p3.c�ret line ti�hen a man may go through tne line ti�vith a pass issued by the union? Ty�R. BEI�I�;ZER: I think it is a11 righ� to get a pass, but unnecess�ry. � Y�u have no r:iore ri�ht to dema.~�d that a nerson obtain a pass frc�n you in order to get throug your pic�et lines tnan you have to c�e:land t��at I s�zould ge� a pass bef�re I enter the City Hall. �