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Zeiger: I have a couple of quick questions. Because I don't seethe details on here, so I just want to have some clarification on it. How wide is this patio going to be? Dregits: To be honest, I don't know as this has been... K Griffith: There are hedges that are in front of the window now so going from the border edge of the home to the equivalent side... Dregits: Looking at the scale, it appears to be in the nature of 12 ft. if this is a 6 ft wide door. Chase: I think that the recommendations said a 12x8.6. Hostetler: No, that's what the original porch was. Zeiger: I'm just reading in the application items and it doesn't mention width, it doesn't mention how far away from house, it just says slate it doesn't talk about is it going to have a wall or any sort of bushes. There's just a lot of details here, I'm not opposed to your proposal here, but for us to make an approval of something that doesn't have any dimensions or anymore specificity is really difficult. I don't have a problem with the patio I think that it meets the guidelines, it's just a matter of modifying the C of A, if you'll agree, I want to make sure that we get those details in. M Griffith: I guess what you'll allow. We don't want something large, and it's what's within your guidelines, we'll follow your guidelines as far as, I'm not interested in... (unintelligible due to distance from microphone) Zeiger: I think that we're all on the same page, it's just a matter of, I think that you can understand that we can't just say "ok, go build a patio ", if we didn't know you or... M Griffith: Right. Are there specific guidelines as to how big one in front of the house can be? Klusczinski: That's more of an architectural question than a guidelines question because of the house. Chase: And the proportion. Zeiger: I see the sidewalk there... M Griffith: Well then what is appropriate and what is not? If I come back to you and say I want a 12 ft one then how do you decide that's ok. Zeiger: It's a matter of, well, that's why I was trying to get a sense of what you were proposing... Klusczinski: It's a judgment call. Zeiger: If you come back and say well, its 40 ft, and it's all the way out to the sidewalk, that's not really in keeping with nature of no front yard, so I was just trying to get some specifics. Klusczinski: Any other questions for the petitioner? Hearing none, Chair moves to Commission discussion. Any comments? Very good. Per legal counsel, Chair opens the public hearing. Is there anyone wishing to speak in support of the current petition? Is there any member of the public wishing to speak in opposition to the current petition? Hearing none, Chair closes public hearing. Any final comments? Dregits: Basically, I think that there is no scale to this and that this is the first time that I've seen this but from what I understand in dealing with the Griffiths they want a nice patio but nothing that will dominate the front yard. Basically, it's going to be a 12x10 patio with a walkway to it, with an attractive pergola to go with it to be approved by the Board at a later date, or whatever you decide. I don't see a problem with that. Klusczinski: Chair would entertain a motion then that we eliminate the pergola detail from this particular C of A as long as the property owner is amenable to that, and allow them to proceed with the other parts of the project. Chase: Ok, application number 2008-0404, I move that we accept the application eliminating the judgment on the pergola until we are approached or the Director is approached with one that is more in scale and appropriate. That's with the approval of the owners. Riley: Second. 2