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favor the latter. Especially when long term maintenance is considered. ' By insulated glass I assume that he means encapsulated. Do you want me to go on? Any other thoughts? Sassano: I certainly have a lot of respect for Mr. Duvall, but we are talking about the four simplest windows in the house in that they're four rectangle shapes. I don't think that it's any secret that there's going to beat some point in time a grand scheme here. One of the things that I think that we often overlook in these houses is the quality of the glass itself. And often times when we retrofit them it requires discarding the glass.. Whether it's to put in a % inch insulated unit or not. The thing that I like the most about the proposal is that we're saving these sashes. They're going to be there and if a future owner wants to put them back in and go with an interior or exterior storm, to me that's the single most important aspect of what we're doing. And I think once we accomplish the goal of saving the authentic material which is literally just pulling it out of it's, there's literally no construction to the sash itself, then we're left with what's the visual character of the window. And I think that the tilt pac as presented is as close as we're going to get with any kind of a modern thing. Regarding the mahagony, which this offers an option for, I think that there's an assumption there that this window becomes the long term solution. I'm not sure that it's necessarily appropriate to demand a higher quality when I view this as a non- invasive alteration in which the original material is kept fully in tact. That, to me, is the.... Klusczinski: Do you reconcile that with the language in the guidebook? Sassano: Um... Klusczinski: ...for windows that are not yet deteriorated beyond repair? Sassano: I don't. I'm going to plead naivete, this is my second meeting. I have read the guidelines; my familiarity is more with the National Register guidelines and the Secretary of the Interior's standards which are always trying to strike a balance between improved environmental control and maintaining authentic fabric. And, again, the national standards focus more on authentic fabric, I mean, it's important that it's actually 100 years old.. And so the saving of authentic fabric is paramount when possible. In this case, the thought is you know, 10 years from now who knows where the technology is, what's the opportunity to do better insulation in the walls with some new material and we can then put the older windows back in and you know the respective loss to the heating and cooling loads could be greatly diminished, who knows? Um, so that's how I'll answer your question- no I don't reconcile it because it says to me, although I've been known for parsing a few words now and then, original doors, windows and hardware shall not be discarded when they can be restored or reused in place. Um, that... well, they're not being discarded. It's open to interpretation. Klusczinski: Well, and the other thing — requirement: original windows and doors shall be retained. And when deteriorated beyond repair implying that would be the replacement option, they shall be replaced with units and trim resembling the original. Sassano: What I'm giving deference to here really is to the glass over the wood. I'd rather see the original glass stored in the basement than removed and discarded to save a 1 inch piece of wood. I'd rather see that window come back in with its original hand floated glass at some future time and date. I just don't know that we have the jurisdiction to say no you can't do anything. That's where ... uh, can well tell somebody that they're not allowed to improve the energy efficiency of their home, I don't know. Metiever: The short answer is yes. You do have that authority if it detracts from the exterior appearance of the structure. Sassano: Well right see, but I don't think that you can argue that it detracts from the exterior appearance; it only detracts from the original authentic value. And that's where... Klusczinski: And neither would David, keeping the original windows and installing interior storms. That could accomplish the same... Sassano: Oh, there's no question that there are options, and again, I don't know that it's our job to direct what has to be done as much as it is to react to what's being proposed. He's submitting the application and we have to react to its appropriateness. Metiever: That's true. 51