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' T Califano: Just the front window is the group of 3. A picture window in the front and one on each side. Otherwise, there are either two double hungs next to each other or single double hungs. Sporleder: So what are you thinking about doing with the picture window? Hostetler: It's a fixed window. J Califano: It's a fixed window with two double hungs on each side. Hostetler: It's not a picture window like a flat plain piece of glass. Sporleder: So, it's not a picture window, it's just a fixed piece ofglass. And these other two...? Chase: Our picture has the garage, so that window, we didn't... Hostetler: Here. You don't have this? Chase: Oh, the bottom one? T Califano: Oh, I used the wrong term, sorry. Chase: No problem. Klusczinski: Ok, Joann, does that...? Sporleder: So when you, the application, which is not altogether clear about how many windows are going to be replaced... Chase: Number doesn't matter, does it? Hostetler: All of them. . Klusczinski: As long as there are no additional questions for the petitioner, I open it up for Commission discussion. Riley: I'd like to applaud you for taking on this house and trying to improve it, Ilive on E Wayne St. and I know the house well and it's quite run down and anything that you do will be a benefit. T Califano: Our neighbors have thanked us. We figure we're moving in the right direction when they stop by. Riley: I think that you're doing a great job and I want to say that from the standpoint of the neighborhood. As far as it being not recommended by the staff, I would recommend that we do approve this with the wood window replacement because it is a non-contributing house and it will look 100% better than it does now. And, if they want to put in good wood windows, then I think that we should approve it. Sporleder: However the standards say that they, that original windows are to be maintained, so I don't know how you get... Chase: It's non-contributing. Sporleder: The standards are for the neighborhood, it's not... Klusczinski: Are these windows are in a state of deterioration? Hostetler: We didn't think so. Klusczinski: We didn't think so. It would be easier for us to make that recommendation if they were. Sporleder: I guess I'm looking for some guidance of how you get around what the standards actually say because we've run into this before. I don't think that you can pick and choose which standards to follow for one house and then not another house in the same neighborhood despite the fact that they are rated differently. It's the neighborhood that goes together as a neighborhood I mean that's the point. Hostetler: The Commission has approved replacement windows in the E Wayne St. neighborhood, for casement windows and most recently in the Soderberg's house. Klusczinski: So there's precedent.. Hearing no other discussion, I open the public hearing. Any member of the public wishing to speak in support of the current petition? Could you come up here closer to the microphone and state your name and address? Harsch: My name is Barb Harsch and I'm at 833 S 28`h Street. I don't live in their neighborhood, but I live in South Bend, and as a homeowner I would hope that you allow them to make improvements to the home that's going to benefit the neighborhood as well as make their home more energy efficient. That, to me, should take precedent over the standards that I'm not familiar with, which I apologize, but that should take precedent. We all have to live here and should do what's best for the whole community. 5