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proud of. For these and other reasons which I can't come up with off the top of my head, this is why I voted against the C of A. ALADEAN DEROSE: Let me again caution you that your reasons cannot be generic and must be specific. JOHN OXIAN: You're saying that we cannot use the reasons that what was stated in the Preservation Plan as a reason to deny it? ALADEAN DEROSE: I am not saying that I am saying you can't use as your reason the fact that they did not obtain a C of A in advance. You can use as your reason that it doesn't comply with the standards and just the basis for your objection to the C of A. JOHN OXIAN: I have several reasons. The Standards were sent out'and whether you read the standards or not does not grant you the right to state that you found out later thus in the Preservation Plan it specifically states what you may do and what you may not do. You already replaced one of the Scamozzi capitals in 2001. You had a few to be repaired. Allowing these to be repaired would have been the right route instead of having them all removed which then means you're going against what was established as the original picture of the building or the house at the time the district was established. That would be several of my reasons for denying this C of A. ALADEAN DEROSE: Let me give you a pointer as your making your decision. The rules say that shall be retained or replaced by replicas of the same design where by the design more in keeping with the historic period of the structure. I think you'll have to factually state that the Doric is not more in keeping than the Scamozzi for the historic period of the structure. JOHN OXIAN: I really disagree with you there. I don't think I have to justify that because that was there and she came in with a C of A after the fact and after the Scamozzis were removed and a different style was put in. That to me does not justify the right to do that and if I was in court I don't think that would fly what you state, Aladean. ALADEAN DEROSE: I am not agreeing or disagree on this. I am just reading the standards and I know that in order to support the denial you'll have to show that the standards were violated. The standards say that a piece of decoration shall be retained or replaced by replicas of the same design or by a design more in keeping with the historic period of the structure. That's your standards and what you have to say is that this C of A does not comply with that standard. You need to give facts to support your decision. That's all I am saying. MARTHA CHOITZ: My comments certainly meant that I should include that and I did not and that's perfectly true. ALADEAN DEROSE: If any member wishes to reinforce what they said before then I think they should. JOHN OXIAN: Then I think what Julie wrote in her report would support my opinion. ALADEAN DEROSE: Then what you can say is that you would incorporate in your decision the original staff recommendation. LYNN PATRICK: I think we should all go back through and restate our reasons for the interest of clarity and so we are on sound legal footing. JOANN SPORLEDER: In that case I would like to also use this opportunity to state my reasons for agreeing with this C of A. ALADEAN DEROSE: I don't think it is necessary to state the reasons for agreeing with this C of A. 12