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TODD ZEIGER: To say that we're not going to come for another C of A is not necessarily the case. We would absolutely come back for another C of A when there is research done on what was there. JOHN OXIAN: I can't go along with that part of it. JOANN SPORLEDER: Is there any indication that the logs on that end where the chimney currently is are all replacement logs or are any of those original logs? TODD ZEIGER: It is a mixture. The cabin has been heavily modified over the past one hundred and seventy-five years. JOANN SPORLEDER: The other part that concerns me is the intention in the gable ends of stopping the logs and then building a frame with lap siding. If this cabin were really built in the 1820's, I think that dimension lumber or framing timbers were not readily available, and that would be an anachronism of sorts and probably ought to be looked at very, very carefully before one does something different other then stacking up these logs which admittedly looks a little bit strange. These are probably all replacement logs; because, logs stacked up that way tend to not be very stable. I have some serious doubts as to whether the original cabin would have had a framing piece inside it. TODD ZIEGER: I have no comment. I can't answer the question. All I can tell you is that the cabin expert that was hired to do the analysis on the structure made these recommendations and he bases that on his experience at looking at hundreds of cabins and doing analysis on hundreds of cabins and that was why he was retained. He is one of the experts in the country and so we took his specifications and had them reviewed by the State Historic Preservation Office. They have been signed off by the State Historic Preservation Office, and they have approved [the specs] for release. I am not an expert on cabins and I took Vic Leatherwoods' expertise and turned it into specifications. JOANN SPORLEDER: Having recently visited New Salem - I know those are all restored cabins - but they have done a lot of research down there in Illinois on cabins and Lincoln's New Salem. The time frame is the same, the 1830's to the 1850's, when Salem came and went. I don't think there are any framed structures in the gables, but that could be researched. I don't personally care how it's done, but if it's being done with the intention of restoring it to its original condition I think we need to be somewhat more careful about that sort of thing. Unless there is some documentation that framing timbers were available in the 1830's to do what is being proposed, I would suggest that this is an anachronistic addition to the log cabin. JOHN OXIAN: I think there are too many gaps in this and the person who put this together should be here to answer these questions if we are going to be asked to approve this C of A. MARTHA CHOITZ: Is this actually being worked on yet, Todd? TODD ZEIGER: No, we've just released the specifications to begin to start to collect bids. There's some pre-bid meetings set up and there has absolutely been no work started. There hasn't even been a bid yet. We're just in the beginning phases of gathering information and seeking the necessary approvals; the first one was the State Historic Preservation Office because they have funded the grant. They had to be first before we could bring it here and they signed off on. It now it's on this agenda. So we're just working through the process. rl