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to an area right on the other side of the fence there. We need to conduct some more tests and activity in that area. GERALD UJDAK: They used to dump all of their cutting oils there. ANDY LAURENT: Right, and I believe there is also a cyanide bath in there. ANDY LAURENT: We are waiting for South Bend Lathe's approval to get in to that building to conduct some interior site assessment activities. We went through in the summer and that was when the property was changing ownership and the South Bend Lathe business had gone through bankruptcy, so they basically told us to come back later. So, we will be coming back in the next couple of months to actually get back in there and do some work. Our consultant seems to think that it was one of two things, either some of the information APT had may have been faulty or the other possibility is what they found at that site is actually coming from this area, the vapor decreasing operation down in Building 86. GERALD UJDAK: Well, my information is from people who work there. The old way in 1930's and the 1940's was to pour it out onto the ground and just forget about it. ANDY LAURANT: Some of these chemicals travel differently through the ground and the ground water. This source that we are dealing with here down in Building 86 is coroneted solvents, and as those products biodegrade they actually become worse because they breakdown into vinyl chloride, which is actually a more toxic chemical than then the original chlorine solvent. GERALD UJDAK: Yes, but, those are modern cleaners. ANDY LAURENT: Well, at Studebakers we found shipping records that state that Studebaker had these chemicals shipped in as early as the 1940's. So, these chemicals are not as modern as we had hoped. Some of those dyes when they were put in the 1920's, those dyes and presses would have had to been degreased. These chemicals were modernized as time went on and different chemicals were added to them; but, it was always the same basic degreasing chemical. The problem is that as those chemicals were in the soil they just slowly reached out over time into the ground water. Even though relief may have occurred fifteen years ago this source area is continuing to contribute. GERALD UJDAK: What is the water table there? ANDY LAURENT: Between twenty and twenty five feet. At one time the water table was actually quite a bit lower, because Studebaker was pumping a lot of water out. As those activities decreased the water levels increased. GERALD UJDAK: The Studebaker wells were on the North Side of Sample Street where the city facility is.