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Health and Public Safety Committee February 21,2001 Page 3 Dr. Varner inquired about whether there should be posting in light of the numerous examples given today with regard to shared space areas, etc. Council Member Kelly asked who owns what property and who manages what property, noting that he sees the problem being compounded if these issues are not addressed. Council Member Ujdak stated that he appreciates the intent of the City Administration's ordinance but again believes that putting a desk clerk or secretary in the role of an enforcer is wrong and sets a dangerous city policy. He inquired about the situation where a County Officer may be closer than a City officer, who would be called? Council Member Ujdak stated that he is not convinced that the ordinance should go forward since it puts the City workforce in even greater jeopardy. He also noted that perhaps the City and the County should look at banning all weapons in the County- City Building so that there would be consistent and practical policies in place. Council Member Ujdak asked Mr. Bodnar about the"confiscation issue". Mr. Bodnar stated that the Council could substitute the word"impound"for the word "confiscate" in the two areas in § 13-96. Council Member Ujdak then asked if there was anyone in the public to speak in favor of the proposed ordinance. Mrs. Louis Clark noted that she is very concerned about the culture which we live within since there are individuals who try to solve their problems with a weapon. She voice concern that there are no prohibitions to prohibit carrying firearms into hospitals, day care centers citing several examples where harm was inflicted and also cited the stun gun incident locally. Mrs. Clark stated that perhaps the City needs to start from scratch. She noted that she is not against hunters or collecting antique guns. She hoped that there could be an open dialogue so that this could end with a win/win for all parties concerned. Council Member Ujdak then asked for those wishing to speak against the proposed ordinance. Mr. Grummell stated that everything that is being discussed is already addressed in state law. Mr. Bob Kruzmatich stated that he is a paramedic on the South Bend Fire Department and quoted from Article 1, § 32 of the Indiana Constitution addressing the right to bear arms. He noted that he is not a hunter since he does not enjoy killing animals. He voiced concern over Officer Glon's procedure which he outlined with regard to a person who has a proper permit to carry a firearm. He also stated that he believes that the City Administration has introduced this proposed ordinance in an attempt to prohibit gun shows at the Century Center and asked why? He concluded that he believes the City would be going down the wrong path if this ordinance is passed. Becky Goldsmith inquired as to what is the City attempting to accomplish if this ordinance is passed? She stated that Gary once banned all guns and it quickly became the murder capital of the United States. She urged enforcement of the more than 20,000 gun laws which are currently on the books rather than further infringing the constitutional rights in this area. Myer Blast stated that he is a Mishawaka resident who works in South Bend as a registered nurse. He stated that the ordinance is unnecessary, noting that no law will stop someone who is intent on doing harm. He further voiced concern over the City attempting to confiscate firearms. Kevin Winters stated that he is a Mishawaka resident and believes that the proposed ordinance will