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he explained the situation was, "Are you an axe-murderer, or what? How could the judge do this to you?" The unique part of it was, if you know appellate practice, domestic cases are not something the appellate Courts like at all. They are afraid to ever reverse one (1)because that then opens the flood gate to all kinds of domestic cases going up on appeal. I lost in the Court of Appeals but the Supreme Court granted an oral argument and transferred the reverse and gave us the relief we wanted. So it was unique to get the Indiana Supreme Court to grant transfer and reverse the trial court on a domestic case. That is very, very difficult. To do that, I had to go back and trace the history of the language of the case where the original case had a full explanation of what the law was. As each case came down after that, the explanation got shorter and shorter. The newest case was much different from what the cases back in the 70s and 80s said. I had to trace all of those quotations back to show the court what the statute actually meant when it was first interpreted. Councilmember Ferlic asked, If you are selected for this contract, do you anticipate that we would contract with you, Bob Palmer, or would we contract with May Oberfell Lorber? If so, please explain how that would work and if there are any additional support services the firm would provide. Mr. Palmer replied, My original thought would be that you would contract with May Oberfell Lorber. I would be the point person responsible for attending the meetings. But, I would also have the support available to me at the firm like associates, library facilities, and internet, essentially anything I need. That was my initial thought. We could also do it, if it is a benefit to you,just like I do with the Law School. Any payment goes to the Law Firm and I still have the same available services. So from my point of view, it doesn't matter. Whatever would be most convenient to the Council. Either way, I would be the guy. Councilmember Ferlic opened the floor to Council members for any additional questions. Councilmember John Voorde asked, Have you personally or has the firm contractually provided these services for any other municipality? Mr. Palmer replied, Yes, we have. Some of the smaller cities like Lakeville and Plymouth. They have been smaller cities. I was not the point person for those interactions. The reason I would be point person for this is because you guys are bigger and are much more demanding regarding what you need and when you need it. With my practice being primarily appellate practice, I'm in the office almost all the time. I may have two (2) court hearings a month so when you need something, I'm available for you. Councilmember Dr. David Varner asked, Out of curiosity, when you got the reversal on that case, what was your question"Are you an axe-murderer or what?" for? Would somebody else in your position have gotten the same result? Mr. Palmer replied, It was my experience saying"How can I make an impact on the court?How can I make them realize that this is wrong?" The way I thought I could do it was going way back and showing how the language had changed, while the law did not. Anyone could do it, but it was me choosing the most unique and best way to do it. 3