HomeMy WebLinkAbout05-09-16 Health and Public SafetyOFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK
KAREEMAH FOWLER, CITY CLERK
HEALTH & PUBLIC SAFETY MAY 9, 2016 3:50 P.M.
Committee Members Present: John Voorde, Karen White, Oliver Davis, Jo M. Broden,
Dr. Fred Ferlic
Other Council Present: Tim Scott, Dr. David Varner, Gavin Ferlic, Regina
Williams- Preston, Randy Kelly
Others Present: Kathleen Cekanski - Farrand, Adriana Rodriguez, Kareemah
Fowler, Jennifer Coffinan, Tasha Reed Outlaw, Randy
Wilkerson, Steve Cox, Keenan Lane
Agenda: Bill No. 16 -48 — Authorizing Agent/Negotiator for
Upcoming Police Negotiations
Bill No. 12 -16 — Landlord Registration Program -
SUBSTITUTE BILL
Committee Chair John Voorde called the Health and Public Safety Committee meeting to order
at 3:50 p.m.
Bill No. 16 -48- Authorizing Agent/Negotiator for Upcoming Police Negotiations.
President Tim Scott, 711 Forest Avenue, 16 -48 authorizes Kathy Cekanski-Farrand as our Chief
Negotiator for the Council portion of the police negotiations to do business with the F.O.P. This
is standard practice and we've had some good negotiations in the past.
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Committeemember Jo M. Broden asked what the timetable is in terms of when this begins, as
well as the current assessment of affinities of what the administration is looking at or conflicts in
terms of what kind of leg work goes into it hours -wise and content -wise.
President Scott explained that it depends on where we are at with the budget. We'll talk to John
Murphy on the budget side, and see how it goes with police negotiations. So far it has gone
fairly well, members of the Common Council usually serve on that, if you'd like to we usually
meet in the afternoons for one (1) to three (3) hours. It has taken five (5) to six (6) meetings in
the past. It depends on the different parties and what they need to elaborate on.
Council Attorney Kathleen Cekanski-Farrand added that state law allows the agent to work with
the Common Council and the Administration in executive sessions for strategy purposes so that
you have a strategy before you go into negotiations. By appointing an agent, you have the
opportunity for all of the background work to be done prior to going to the table so that there is a
united effort going to the bargaining table. By state law, everything has to be wrapped up prior
to November 1St
Committee Chair Voorde asked what communication they've had with the F.O.P. so far.
President Scott stated that he received a generic letter addressed to himself stating that they are
ready to open up negotiations. We haven't done anything other than that so far. There are two
separate entities. The Council is in charge of the budget end of it, so we are responsible for the
fiscal end of the contract. Any language or policy and procedures is on the Administration and
the Police Chief.
The Committee discussed deadlines for meeting, and determined that they'll meet with the
Administration ahead of time so that goals and objectives are determined in advance before
going to the table. Council Attorney Cekanski- Farrand stated that it is not anticipated that they
will be prepared to go to the table before mid -June.
Committeemember Oliver Davis inquired about the Teamsters, and President Scott stated that
nothing has been received from the Teamsters, which is why they aren't discussing the
Teamsters' contract yet. Committee Chair Voorde clarified that under state law, they are only on
the forefront for Police and Fire negotiations. The City Administration leads the joint team for
the Teamsters' bargaining. Council Attorney Cekanski-Farrand mentioned that the Council does
not have the authority to be in the lead position on financial items for those negotiations. The
Council approves the salary and the budget.
Generally, during Police and Fire negotiations, two (2) to three (3) councilmembers serve on the
team.
Committeemember Regina Williams- Preston asked if we have a proposal from Kathy yet, or if
we are just appointing her without knowing how much she will be charging. Committee Chair
Voorde stated that we appoint Kathy, then she'll be paid above and beyond her normal pay.
Council Attorney Cekanski- Farrand stated that she normally charges one -half (1 /z) of her private
billable rate, on a per hour basis.
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Committeemember. Karen White stated that we should get the invoices from two (2) years ago as
a reference for the new members of the Council.
Committeemember Williams- Preston asked whether or not we would receive a statement from
Kathy before she charges, or are we just going to get billed afterwards. Council Attorney
Cekanski - Farrand stated that she gives a line -item detail as time goes along.
President Scott stated that they've had a very friendly conversation with the F.O.P. during the
last few contract negotiations.
Committeemember Williams- Preston clarified that this would be work outside of what the
Council Attorney is already contracted to perform for the Council. Council Attorney Cekanski-
Farrand explained that this is not going to be a typical nine (9) to five (5) workday. These are
separate duties above and beyond the other contracted work of the Council Attorney.
Council Attorney Cekanski - Farrand stated that she would be glad to share the proposal with
Committeemember Williams- Preston if she hasn't already received it.
Committeemember Broden asked for some of the background of estimated amount of work and
time apportioned to the various areas to help the new councilmembers get up to speed.
Committee Chair Voorde asked if there was language in the contract that stated an amount the
attorney fees could not exceed, and Council Attorney Cekanski - Farrand stated that she believes it
is right around $20,000 maximum. That would be the total that cannot be exceeded for both
negotiations.
Committeemember Oliver Davis asked if they would be charged for negotiations with the
Teamsters, since the Council is not the lead agent, and Council Attorney Cekanski - Farrand
answered that there would be a charge, but the role is very minor from the Council perspective
because of the small amount of time she would have to spend.
President Scott stated that he could get the new councilmembers an overview of how the process
works, especially if they want to serve on the negotiations.
Committee Chair Voorde asked for public comments on Bill No. 16 -48. Seeing none, he asked
for a disposition by a committee member.
Committeemember Davis motioned to send Bill No. 16 -48 to the full Council favorably, and it
was seconded by Committeemember White and passed unanimously with a voice vote.
Bill No. 12 -16 — Landlord Registration Program - SUBSTITUTE BILL
Tim Scott, 711 Forest Avenue, started by introducing and thanking all of the people involved in
putting Bill No. 12 -16 together. This has been talked about since before I was on the Council,
and this is a need by the Administration.
Committeemember White also stated that former Councilmember Charlotte Pfeifer had held a
number of discussions and meetings to talk about ways in which we could identify various
properties. This is not a new discussion; it has been in theworks for years.
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Councilmember Scott was contacted by several Council Members, they met and made major
adjustments after listening to the feedback of Councilmembers and concerned citizens, and he
think that what they have now is much better than what they had prior to the feedback.
Councilmember Scott stated that he looked at what NRC had written in 2010, and in 2012 when
he took it up it was a lengthy and cumbersome document. Councilmember Scott stated that he
and Councilmember White have always worked on quality of life issues within our
neighborhood, and what always comes up is how we can get in contact with landlords. That has
been the biggest issue with the Administration like with Code, Fire, Police, Legal and even
Human Rights.
The purpose of this program is a new system of equitable accountability. Landlord Registration
is designed for the City to have a quick, cost effective way to contact landlords regarding
anything having to do with the properties from Code violations to Human Rights. The ordinance
is narrowly crafted and consistent with the state law enacted in 2014. Between 2012 and 2014
there was a moratorium on any landlord registrations, and some principles and guidelines from
the state came out of it. We've looked at best practices around the state and other places around
the country, including Indianapolis and Evansville to craft this legislation. The fees are used for
administration and the registration program. All fines go to the new curbs and sidewalks
program, which is handled by the Common Council. If there are any fines associated with this,
which we hope there are none, it goes back into the neighborhoods in the best way:
infrastructure. For greater transparency, we will publish a limited website with limited data. For
example, Tim Scott owns 711 Forest Avenue in South Bend, Indiana, or Tim Scott from
Kokomo, Indiana owns 711 Forest Avenue in South Bend, Indiana. Beyond that, we are not
giving away personal information like phone numbers or addresses, we figure the person and the
state in which they live is fine enough. That was something that came out of meeting with the
realty group. We do understand that there has to be transparency with the data, but the details of
that data would go to Police, Fire, and Code. They'll have that access to expedite any issues.
The registration cost is five (5) dollars. The registration period will open from September 15th to
December 30th, giving everyone time to register this year. We do want landlord (owner as well
as property manager) information. The IT Department has agreed to put up an online database
where you can register online without being kicked out of the website. You'll have time to
register all of your properties in one session. Code would also be available to assist in the
registration. Other cities charge five (5) dollars per property, but ours does not. Ours is five (5)
dollars per registration, whether you are registering one (1) property or ten - thousand (10,000)
properties.
We've dropped penalties down to three - hundred (300) dollars for not registering the property,
one - hundred (100) dollars for incomplete registration, one - thousand (1,000) dollars for
misrepresenting information. The first time you do that, which is fraud, you would be given a
warning. The second time, it would go to the prosecuting attorney. It would cost three - hundred
(300) dollars for failure to update registration within thirty (30) days, and three - hundred (300)
dollars for failure to renew any property on a yearly basis.
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Fines will not be issued right away; there will be a warning letter going out if there is a failure to
register or renew the registration. Evansville has a fine of one - hundred (100) dollars a day every
day that you do not register. Ours is three- hundred (300) dollars for late registration. This
shows the landlord that we are serious about having the registration, but it isn't as big of a
burden as we've had in the past.
One of the other questions everyone has had is the partial identification and the key number for
the property. We are not going to delve into the EIN Number, it is just there to identify the
property to the owner if there is any question if that is connected.
The number of fines and penalties issued and collected is part of the form here, but we will look
at the performance measures to see within a year how this is performing so we can readdress it if
we have any issues one way or another.
From 2015 -2016, the violations that come up in code show that only twenty (20) percent of the
code violations are for properties that are owner - occupied. Rental units account for seventy -two
(72) percent. Owners within South Bend account for sixty -six (66) percent, and owners outside
of South Bend account for thirty -three (33) percent. Owners in St. Joseph County account for
seventy -five (75) percent, and outside of St. Joseph County twenty -four (24.9) percent. Owners
in Indiana account for eighty -two (82) percent versus owners from outside of Indiana at eighteen
(18) percent.
We have concerns with individuals inside of our area, as well as issues with tracking down
individuals from outside of our area.
President Scott continued his presentation, which is available in the Office of the City Clerk.
Santiago Garces will be writing the code for the registration forms, and he is going to see if we
can emulate the form that Indianapolis currently uses.
Lastly, during the State of the City, the Mayor said the upcoming Landlord Registration Bill will
further enhance accountability through the City as the point of contact for every property we
encounter. This isn't just about finding irresponsible landlords, it's about making sure that we're
able to stay in touch with the majority of landlords who do the right thing.
Randy Wilkerson, Director of Code Enforcement 13th Floor of this building, once this is
approved, we will educate the public through newsletters and social media to make sure as many
people know about this as possible. Once we establish the list, we'll ask for your email address
so we can send notifications when it is time to renew registrations.
The issue we run into in code hearings is where six (6) of fourteen (14) are LLCs. People do not
always show up to represent the LLCs. We've talked about how easy it is to find the registration
with the state, and this isn't going to solve the problem because this company is still going to be
out of business and it still is not going to have representation, but it will change how we look at
people. We can go out and know that you are a good property owner if you're registered, and
we'll have a relationship with you.
Mr. Wilkerson gave an example of a property that is in very bad condition that he receives
complaints about three (3) to four (4) times every week. It is owned by an LLC that went out of
business six (6) years ago, their office property went up for sale seven (7) years ago, and the
registered agent declined to be the registered agent five (5) years ago, so there is no way to trace
this back to someone. He received a letter in the mail from the agent listed as the registered
agent by the state. The letter stated that the agent is not the agent for the property mentioned, nor
have they ever been. So someone used them as the registered agent when they weren't actually
the registered agent. They are dealing with fraud all of the time. Not every landlord out there is
doing everything right, which is why we need to build relationships to solve problems.
We've had three fires lately, where we were able to get in touch with the owners right away. We
were able to complete the demolition process within thirty (30) days due to responsible
ownership and communication between owners and inspectors.
There will be less confusion if along with a mailed notification, I can send you an email saying
that you have trash in your yard that needs to be taken care of. We can send you a picture, and
we can solve the problem. I know you by name, but I do not know your LLCs.
Steve Cox, South Bend Fire Chief, with offices at 1222 S. Michigan Street. In order for our Fire
Investigators to close out their investigations, they need to have contact with the specific
landlord. About a third of the time with unoccupied structures, we spend two (2) to three (3)
hours roughly just chasing down landlords; man-hours we can spend doing other things. We are
being held accountable for what we spend our time doing, and we want to make sure we are
making the best use of our time as well as opposed to trying to chase down people that may or
may not exist. We're looking at this as a tool for our investigators to be able to use to have
contact landlords when we have to conduct an investigation.
Tasha Reed Outlaw, offices on the 12th Floor, as a landlord myself, I have a property in
Indianapolis, and I was contacted by potential tenants who were very interested to see that my
property was listed on the landlord registry. From that perspective, I think that it could
potentially make your property a little bit more presentable and let potential tenants know that
you are a responsible landlord and you will be held accountable.
Officer Keenan Lane, offices at 711 W. Sample Street. I am the Nuisance Abatement Officer, so
my full time job is to deal with these problem properties day in and day out. I wish we had a
better way of making contact with the owners of the nuisance properties.
When I have a property with fights, drug dealing or loud parties, I go through records trying to
determine who the owner is so I can make contact with them. Some of these owners have
disconnected phone lines or their LLCs aren't registered with the state. It would be a great tool to
have if I had a way to immediately contact the owner. Right now I have cases of fraud where
there are out of state owners who use local people as managers, and the managers tell the owners
that they can't find anyone to rent the property to right now so they aren't collecting rent, when
in reality, the manager is collecting cash on a lease that he made. This is why we need the
managers' information as well as the owners'.
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There are also issues where the owners have been deceased for years, and there are no records of
who has been paying taxes. These people do not answer their doors to tell me who owns the
house.
Tasha Reed Outlaw mentioned that there are plenty of properties where people come in for Code
hearings and talk about their landlords, and Code asks who their landlords are, and they are not
the people that are supposed to be the owners. They have utilities on illegally, and we have no
way to help these people who are being preyed upon.
Council President Scott stated that Fred Harris from the Human Rights Commission was unable
to attend tonight, but he has similar stories of tenants that come to him with issues, and all they
want to do is get them resolved, and it takes him days, sometimes weeks to figure out who the
landlords are to take care of Human Rights issues with these properties. I can talk to Penny
Hughes every day of the week if we choose to, but there are people out there that don't want us
to talk to them, and we need to have those relationships. This just levels the playing field.
Council Attorney Cekanski - Farrand reminded the Council Members that if anyone is currently a
landlord, they should make that declaration so we do not get into a conflict of interest situation.
She does not see it as a reason for them not to participate in the discussion or the vote, but it
would be appropriate under the Council Rules to state for the record if you are a landlord
currently.
Committee Chair Voorde opened it up to Committee Members for discussion.
Fred Ferlic, 1128 Georgiana, South Bend, hopes to remind all of the citizens how important Bill
No. 12 -16 is. There are three (3) things that make a great city: schools, crime, and quality of life
issues. My experience in Code Enforcement over the past four (4) years causes me to fully
endorse this. Rental properties get a bad reputation, because some people take advantage of
them. I'm not talking about the people who are present, people I consider my friends and
responsible people. The problem is that the law has to apply to everyone. We have speed limits
even though a lot of us don't speed. We have immunization laws that apply to everybody even
though some don't want to be immunized. My frustration originally was with the lack of
information when I went to the County offices. You don't have to record deeds in this state.
The problem is mainly with out of town owners. You can pay your tax bill through the
Treasurer's Office using a P.O. Box, but it may be your uncle that's paying for it while you've
already transferred the property to your son.
Mr. Ferlic described three (3) different property owners he tried to get in touch with recently. He
finally reached them, but they were examples of owners who either forgot that they owned the
properties, had no idea they owned them, or just weren't in town keeping the properties up. I
fully endorse Bill No. 12 -16, and I have no doubt that it will make South Bend a much better city
to live in.
Committeemember Broden made a disclosure that she owns a single property in South Bend that
she rents. She would like to tweak the landlord registry title to a more contemporary term:
Residential Rental Registry. I really appreciate the data and the accounts that were provided
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from the different departments. That helps us wrap our minds around the problem. Being able
to quantify the problem is significant, especially looking at what we are doing with our staff's
time. It will also help us measure the performance as time goes on. I don't believe that the
ordinance has an assessment and revisitation at a time that is definite, and I would like to see that
added. The performance measures mentioned in the ordinance are good, but I think there might
be better ones. There also isn't anything listed as a definite time such as six (6) months or one
(1) year into this where we do a review of the program. It should be independent or
collaborative, so it isn't just Code Enforcement assessing itself. All of this will help us in the
future.
We've taken best practices from other cities, but they only enacted their bills in the last few
years. Are there plusses and minuses in these implementation processes that have informed our
legislation? Are there things that are working or not working from them that we should do or
should not do? Business -wise, does the registration period make sense? Do we want to tie it to
the end of the calendar year completely, and look at it as a quarterly objective with a start date of
September 1St? With regard to the fines, my understanding is that we have very responsible
property owners. I wonder if we can give an early notification for people who haven't registered
thirty (3 0) days out, and then have a very nominal fee, such as ten (10) dollars per day that they
haven't registered capped at three- hundred (300) or four - hundred (400), to be more responsive
toward the concerns that people might make slight errors.
Committeemember Broden is also eager to hear from the business owners regarding their
feelings toward this bill and the ways they've addressed their concerns.
Committeemember Davis stated that he had already shared with them that he would like to see
issues of this nature be brought up in more of a commission concept like at the state and the
federal level. Some can go for months, and some may just need one meeting. It can be flexible.
Committeemember Davis echoed Committee Member Broden's desire to see more of what other
cities have done in regards to their landlord registration programs. I'd like to know these things
ahead of time rather than waiting to evaluate at a later time. That's where a commission would
help. I would like to address the issue of the Council creating a concept of fraud, because we
cannot do that as a Council. Since we are a legal body, I would like those things to be clarified
so that any person can say that this is why we used that term. One person opened up by stating
that this would not solve the problem, but if you open up by stating that this is not going to solve
the problem, then why are we here? Why are we going to create this if it isn't going to solve the
problem?
I would like to hear more about the discriminatory nature of things we heard about these fines in
other places. We need to look at how people are using fines all over the country right now,
especially in regard to Ferguson, Missouri. Another issue I'd like to discuss further is the issue
of Public Domain. Dr. Ferlic, you found everyone you were looking for and called them all, so
you were able to solve these problems using our current system. If you weren't able to solve
those problems using our current system, I would see the need for this new program.
I like the concept of the independent body. We need to look at what the independent review will
look for, so that everyone knows ahead of time what will be reviewed.
If you've ever missed your date on a license renewal, there are proportionate fees. It is usually
two (2) or three (3) times the original fee. If the regular fee is five (5) dollars, and if you miss it
you have to pay three- hundred (300) dollars, that's a concern for me.
Councilmember Randy Kelly stated for the record that he and his wife are landlords, and they
have an LLC.
Bob Masters from the public stood up and asked if the public would have time for input, and
Committee Chair Voorde received permission from Dr. Varner, Committee Chair of the Utilities
Committee to cut into the next meeting.
The Council clarified that the others who spoke were speaking as part of the official presentation,
and then the committee members will get a chance to speak before they open it up to the rest of
the council members then to the public. Committee Chair Voorde decided to allow the public to
speak, then allow the rest of the Council to discuss.
Bob Masters, Attorney with Nemeth, Feeny, Masters and Campiti, offices at 350 Columbia
Street, speaking to you on behalf of the Real Estate Investors Association of North Central
Indiana. The first concerns the fact that many real estate properties are owned by LLC's. This is
usually done out of a liability issue or a tax concern. Personally, I've probably created between
thirty (30) to fifty (50) LLCs for clients who own real estate. The way it's been discussed, there
is an implication that it is somehow illegitimate, owning real estate through an LLC. It's not.
Every LLC in Indiana is required to have a registered agent listed with the Secretary of State
who is either an Indiana corporation or an Indiana natural person. The office of that registered
agent has to be the same address as the principal place of the company's business, meaning that
if you own 700 Forest Avenue, LLC, and your principal place of business is 700 Forest Avenue,
that's where your registered agent has to be. Corporations that are out of state are required to
obtain a certificate from the Secretary of State and register as a foreign corporation in order to do
business in the state. They also have to provide an in -state registered agent. That registered
agent has to provide an address, and it cannot be a P.O. Box, state law makes that clear. It must
be a physical address in the state of Indiana.
There was a relatively recent change to Indiana law, which requires that when you create an LLC
or a corporation, you have to include a statement that the registered agent agrees to accept
service.
Indiana law states that if you cannot find a person or a business in the state of Indiana, the
Secretary of State is considered their agent, and you can serve the Secretary of State. The
Unsafe Building Law doesn't even require you to do that. The Unsafe Building Law says you
only have to make a reasonable effort to find these people, and if you can't, you can publish
notice in a newspaper. I wish I could have talked to you about this property that's been giving
your neighbors problems, because I could have told you how to go after them and set them up in
a legally unimpeachable way to vacate and seal the building or take it down if it's a problem.
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Officer Lane, I appreciate your concerns about criminal properties, but it is somewhat misguided
to think that this registry will solve that problem, because the municipal code requires you to
send notice about criminal activities to the address that is in the Assessor's records, so you could
create this registry and say tell us where to find you, but legally you're required to send these
notices to what's in the Assessor's record. I think the tools already exist to solve the problems
that were mentioned by the proponents of the bill.
Committee Chair Voorde assured everyone that they would be heard before any vote is taken.
Committeemember White explained that bills at this level can be sent with no recommendation.
Committeemember Davis showed concern that people will only have five (5) minutes to talk
about this. I wish we could have a continuance where we can finish this part tonight, and then
have another meeting so we can have more discussion.
Dr. Ferlic says that the committee serves citizens, not landlords, and it has a duty to protect them.
He has people asking him all of the time when something will be done.
Committeemember Broden stated that it is a timing issue. This is a tool that we need, but we
need to make sure we have the right tool with the right leverage with the right pieces in place.
So I would prefer to air this out a little more and I would put a motion that we continue
discussion on this tonight and if need be at the next meeting.
Committee Chair Voorde asked Council Attorney Cekanski- Farrand to clarify that we do not
make a continuance effort at the committee level. If after tonight's hearing, someone feels as
though it needs further discussion, then all they have to do is make a motion for a continuance,
then it can be continued. Council Attorney Cekanski- Farrand said that they cannot make a
continuance effort at the committee level without the sponsors agreeing to it.
Councilmember Scott expressed his respect for everyone's opinions, and reiterated that this
process began in September with the first version of the bill that was given to Penny Hughes and
the realty group. We then met with them for input each month afterwards. The Council
Members have had versions of it since February, which we've delayed. Now we have a well -
written, simple bill. I like what we have, and I believe that there are a few tweaks we should
make. The idea that there needs to be a complete independent study on a five (5) dollar
registration to give your name and address and phone number, I don't know what else there is to
study. We've come back to tweak the successful chronic nuisance program, and we'll do the
same here.
Committeemember White asked the sponsor to make sure that we are in the position to answer
the questions that have been posed by the evening meeting. We need to outline the parameters
and what the key performances are going to be in regard to the independent review, and we'll
need to have that ready to address. I think that it was also recommended that we look at the fees
and how the five (5) dollar registration fee jumps to three - hundred (300). I'm hopeful that a lot
of these issues can be addressed, the issue that remains is making sure that individuals have
ample time tonight to be heard.
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Councilmember Williams- Preston explained that this will solve a problem, but it will not solve
the problem being expressed by Code Enforcement, Fire and Police. I think we have to do more
work so we can address those bad properties and landlords that we cannot reach. The problems
of the people who are intentionally ducking and committing fraud, those are the people who are
causing the major quality of life issues that are in our community, and those problems will not be
solved with this bill. That's why I don't see the urgency with this bill.
I don't think we can just move forward with something that is imperfect, especially when we are
talking about imperfections that violate peoples' civil rights. We need to look at that when we
talk about disparate impact.
The U.S. Department of Justice has been cautioning against these types of fee structures. I will
not vote for this if the performance measures stay in place that say we will use as a performance
measure the number of fines and penalties issued and collected. We've learned in Ferguson that
this has the potential to incentivize. I'd like to hear what the Human Rights Commission has to
say about this, because they are the experts and I know they've had some concerns with how this
is written. I think we might be stepping into a serious legal battle, and we need to be more
responsible than to just say we'll see how it goes. I do own a property that is rented, and it is
rented to practically a family member.
We have a lot of older senior citizens who acquire properties and let family members live in
them. They may charge them a little bit, but we need to clarify who this applies to. They might
not perceive themselves as landlords, so do we need to inform them they need to register? Does
game day housing fall under this?
Committeemember White made a motion to send Bill No. 12 -16 to full Council with no
recommendation, Committeemember Davis seconded, and it passed unanimously.
With no other business, Committee Chair Voorde adjourned the meeting at 5:17 p.m.
Respectfully Submi ed,
John Voorde, Committee Chair
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