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The February 26, 2001 meeting of the Health and Public Safety Committee was called to order by
its Chairperson, Council Member Andrew Ujdak at 4:07 p.m. in the Council Informal Meeting
Room.
Persons in attendance included Council Members: Aranowski, Pfeifer, King, White, Coleman,
Kelly, Varner, Ujdak, and Kirsits; Citizen Member Isabelle Gonzalez; Assistant City Attorney
Aladean DeRose; Fire Chief Luther Taylor; Public Works Director Gary Gilot; Bob Mathia,
Michael Giulioni; Deputy City Attorney Thomas Bodnar, Len Grummell, Bob Kruzmatich,Terry
Bland of the 00110 1III U CVibuft, and Kathleen Cekanski-Farrand, Council Attorney.
Council Member Ujdak noted that the first item on the agenda was to discuss the Downtown
Commercial Delivery Permit Pilot Program.
Michael Giulioni provided a multi-page handout on addressing the final recommended program
guidelines (copy attached). He highlighted key points of the program which has been in effect for
the past ninety (90) days and now is under a ninety (90) day extension by the Board of Public
Works. He has been advised that if there is to be a permanent program that it will need to be
approved by the Common Council.
Council Member White inquired about a proposed fee. Mr. Giulioni stated that a processing fee of
approximately $ 50.00 was being considered.
Council Member King stated that there must be a systematic method of gathering user responses
beyond the temporary business permit holders. He stressed the need for a much broader response
base to assess the pros and cons of having such a system.
Council Member Ujdak noted that it is a test program and thanked Mr. Giulioni for the presentation
and wished him good luck as he returns to Canada.
Council Member Ujdak then called for further presentation on Bill No. 01-6 which is a proposed
Interlocal Agreement between the City and Centre Township for fire protection services.
Fire Chief Luther Taylor noted that he was not available at the last Council meeting when this item
was heard since he went home ill. He noted that the concern over an adequate water supply to the
newly annexed area of the city and response times were primary concerns. Chief Taylor stated
that currently the water supply is approximately 200 feet away. At the time that the Interlocal
Agreement was proposed he was unaware that the firefighters worked on week days until 5 pm
and did not work on the weekends. He noted that currently the County Medic Unit is responding.
The City's Medic Unit will begin responding on March 6th. He wanted to have a comfort zone on
the west side of US 31 with regard to adequate service.
Chief Taylor noted that the mutual aid agreements are over ten(10) years old and they are currently
working on them. He proposes to sit down with the Union this Thursday so that there will be a
better working relationship. He anticipates starting up the labor/management meetings once again.
Chief Taylor then provided two (2) handouts to the Committee. The first was a news release from
the International Association of Fire Chiefs which approved a motion to support NFPA 1710
addressing"Standards on Organization and Deployment for Career Fire Departments"which may
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require 4 to 5 firefighters per apparatus. The second handout addressed the $ 100 million FEMA
grant for various fire services. He noted that Assistant Chief Switalski will be the point person for
submitting a grant request.
Council Member White inquired as to what the basis of the proposed monthly cost was in the
proposed interlocal agreement.
Chief Taylor stated that the City had requested a per call basis initially. He noted that he believes
the monthly amount is excessive, however the City Administration wished to error on the safe
side.
Dr. Varner inquired as to why the interlocal agreement was even contemplated.
Mr. Bodnar stated that the timing was not perfect with the last offer being made on December 21st.
Dr. Varner speculated that he sees the agreement as a direct result of the annexation and the time
table which is dictated by state law. He voiced concern with regard to the proposed costs and the
various contractual issues and questions which have been raised.
Mr. Bodnar stated that the agreement would represent a good faith effort to provide services.
Council Member White inquired about the service which would be provided in light of the price
and inquired whether the price could be re-negotiated.
Chief Taylor noted that the price is for a short period of time.
Council Member Aranowski inquired as to what made up the $ 4,200 fee. Mr. Bodnar stated that
the township totalled up the number of responses and divided that number.
Council Member King voiced concern noting that Captain Stein and Captain Damiano of Local #
362 made inquiries back in November and that their concerns were never properly addressed. He
questioned whether we are being as responsive as we should be. He voiced concern about good
faith and respect being missing from this exchange involving the interlocal agreement.
Chief Taylor stated that he met with Captain Stein in December noting that the agreement would be
for a short period of time. The Union proposed that an additional company be added in the south
end of the City and that a reserve pumper be used. Chief Taylor stated that such a proposal was
not a part of the budget and that it had a potential cost of$ 100,000.
Council Member Kirsits inquired as to why we were not servicing the area with our own fire
apparatus. He asked why Centre Township was dictating all terms and conditions, since he
believed that the South Bend Fire Department could cover 99 %of the calls excepting crop fires.
Chief Taylor stated that there would be joint responses beginning March 6th.
Council Member Kirsits stressed that living in the City has always meant better services for its
citizens, however now the newly annexed area only receives volunteer services. He stated that
those residents should receive a tax rebate.Council Member Ujdak inquired whether Mr. Bodnar
had had the opportunity to review the
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Council Attorney's memo. Mr. Bodnar stated that he had and believes that the State Fire Marshals
guidelines do not apply.
Council Member Kelly noted that in light of the circumstances he believes that the City should
move forward since the agreement will be short-term.
Following discussion, Council Member Kelly made a motion, seconded by Council Member
Kirsits that Bill No. 01-6 be recommended favorably to Council. The motion passed.
The Council Attorney inquired as to when the agreement would be recorded and asked what would
be the triggering mechanism to terminate the agreement.
Mr. Gilot stated that once the water mains and hydrants become operational that the agreement
would be terminated. He stated that this should be completed by the end of June.
Mr. Bodnar agreed to record the agreement and to provide notice to the Council as to when the
agreement will be terminated.
Council Member Ujdak noted that the next item on the agenda was to continue discussion of the
Administration initiated Bill No. 133-00 addressing firearms.
Council Member Kelly stated that the proposed bill has been discussed for many hours. He
believes that in its current form it is unenforceable and requested the City Administration to
withdraw the bill from further Council consideration.
Mr. Bodnar requested that Bill No. 133-00 be withdrawn.
Council Member Ujdak stated that he agrees with Council Member Kelly.
The Committee then reviewed Bill No. 01-13 which urges the Indiana State Legislature to pass
legislation addressing pension relief fund distribution for police and fire pensions. Council
Member Ujdak noted that the proposed Resolution is similar in nature as the one proposed by
Council Member Aranowski's addressing local road and street financial assistance.
The Council Attorney noted that the Indianapolis Mayor is requested action on a user fee for not-
for-profit corporations and entities to help supplement police and fire pensions.
Council Member King stressed the need for as much pressure as possible on the Indiana State
Legislature with regard to the police and fire pension costs. He noted that it is a huge unfunded
liability.
Following discussion, Council Member White made a motion, seconded by Citizen Member
Gonzalez that Bill No. 01-13 be recommended favorably to Council. The motion passed.
Under miscellaneous business, Chief Taylor stated that Memorial Hospital has proposed to take
over Station#2 and to build a new fire station at their cost for the City.
Council Member Aranowski stated that he sees this proposal as a "win-win" and urged the City
Administration to move forward quickly on Memorial's proposal.
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There was a favorable consensus on the Memorial Hospital proposal.
There being no further business to come before the Committee, Council Member Ujdak adjourned
the Committee meeting at 5:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Council Member Andrew Ujdak, Chairperson
Health and Public Safety Committee
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