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A AGENDA OF, THE March 17, 2008 COMMISSION MEETING Regular Meeting THIRTEENTH FLOOR ROOM 1308 County -City Building MONDAY, MARCH 17, 2008, 7:OOPM I. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL II. PUBLIC HEARING A. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS 1. 1329 E. Washington COA#2008-0304 2. Leeper Park West COA#2008-0306 B. LANDMARK -None C. NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION -None - 111. REGULAR BUSINESS A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES February 25, 2008 B. TREASURER'S REPORT Location Report C. COMMITTEE REPORTS 1. President's Report Committee Assignments 2. Committee Reports D. STAFF REPORTS: 1. C of A Approvals; Correspondence; A. Director's Report B. Assistant Director's Report 2. Legal IV. OLD BUSINESS V. NEW BUSINESS VI. HEARING OF VISITORS AND ADJOURNMENT .X, 11 STAFF REPORT CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS Date: March 4,2008 - Application -Number: ,2008 Application-Number: 2008-0304 Property Location: 1329 East Washington Street Property Owner: Kathleen and Mark Neal Landmark or District Designation: Local Landmark Rating: Outstanding STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: This Tudor Revival home was designed by the firm of Austin and Shambleau for Joseph Maxwell Stephenson in 1923. He lived there until his death in 1946. The house was then sold to Eugene O'Brien, Vice President of the O'Brien Varnish Company. The home was landmarked on October 25, 1982. APPLICATION ITEMS: Replace previously existing garden shed along rear of property (Exhibit A.) Structure designed to mirror Tudor style and colors of house. See attached specifications and drawings. of customized shed (Exhibit B). Outer Spaces, Inc. of Granger, Contractor (Exhibit D). LANDMARK STANDARDS, GROUP B: Building Site and Landscaping 1. Required: Major landscaping.items, trees, fencing, walkways, private yard lights, signs (house numbers) and benches which reflect the property's history and development shall be retained. Dominant land contours shall be retained. Structures such as: gazebos, patio decks, fixed barbecue pits, swimming pools, tennis courts, greenhouses, new ails, fountains, fixed garden furniture, trellises and other similar structures shall be compatible to the historic character of the site and neighborhood and inconspicuous when viewed from a public way. 2. Recommended: New site work should be based upon actual knowledge of the past appearance of the property found in photographs, drawings and newspapers. Plant materials and trees in closed proximity to the building that are causing deterioration to the buildings historic fabric should be removed. However, trees and plant materials that must be removed should be immediately replaced by suitable flora. Front yard areas should not be fences except in cases where historic documentation would indicate such fencing appropriate. Fencing should be in character with the building style, materials and scale. RECOMMENDATION: , Staff recommends approval. The construction of the new shed is in the approximate foot print of previous garden shed (Exhibit Q. Since there is no documentation of what the previous garden shed looked like, the staff finds the current design appropriate since it mirrors some of the architectural features of the house, i.e., wider trim pieces. and framing around the double doors, wider corner boards (Exhibit B). Since this structure will be located at the rear of the property along a vacated alleyway and situated in the mature landscaping it should not be noticeable from the street. M Application � FOR - Certificate of Appropriateness Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County 125 S. Lafayette Blvd., South Bend, Indiana 46601 Mailing AAA—..- Southing;T.Ala"a ".Ani Phone: 574-235-9796 - Far. 574 -Z35 -M Entail: sB%CHPC@cost+nephJnus Website: htV//wwws tyhdWMcom/SjchP/huiexhtml OMCE L1SEONLY*.,"3, DO NOT COMPLETEANYEN7RIES CONZUNM jNnUSBOX :-":o)-.v OFFICE USE ONLY Date Received 4 UAW -2004f Application Number _4 0 0 3 . 03P 4 Past Reviews: 0165 Cm*,f Lo nNO Staff Approval authorized by: Tide: Historic commission Review Date: 7 7x4"4 W& 3 ( 1:=- a Landmark 0 Local Historic District (Nam) 0 National Landmark 0 National Register District Ovam) Certificate of Appropriateness: 0 Denied [] lkbled [] Sent 1b Committee [] Approved and Issued VAU Address of Property for proposed work..- 3.2 q Wash*i nab oti Sftw Numb& and Stred Nam Nam of Property Owner(s): (Row Print) 1.4al-k. A. Alq.Alan /Veal Address of Property Owner(s): Contractor(s) Name: sw� DO Contract Company N r ce_s Contractor Address: LIZ 31 .5. 2�' A/ -Ar,, A City: GnXngak ' ZW Phone: . . Current Use of Building:S�tj L ho rn e- (S*L- Fmay- hWgrway - cmm=W m'Gwnwmt - [ndwkW - Va=t - dr.) lype of Building Construction: Sivccv UVWOO V '#Mb9Pi)t OW Frame - Orld Stone- Stet - Omcmk - OtW Proposed Work: In-kind Landscape VNew Replacement (not m-und) ❑ Demolition Genre dm am box, may be derW d&LS41me qa4an shtd Description of Proposed Work: -Re F Q12ex. 12rey OU insar of pep oaeiL itror ddr Or.9 Of home-, guo- O1nP'h _f1_CaMtr(2r1.Q_ &nd drau)rn smf- Owner/Con tnkqor. F=1 e-mail and/or APPUMTrON REQUIREMENTS ARE LISTED ON REVERSE SIDE — -4 3/1/08 STEPHENSON TUDOR HOUSE 1329 E. Washington, So. Bend Mark & Kathleen Neal 574-246-0720 PROPOSED 8'x 16'x 10' GARDEN SHED • To be built on site by Outer Spaces, Inc. (Granger, IN) • Concord style with 8/12 pitch roof. • All -wood structure with optional premium construction techniques. Off-white/cream walls to match existing Tudor color on house. Extra -wide dark brown trim to match existing Tudor timbering on house. Dark brown doors to match existing garage doors on house. Decorative wrought -iron antique hardware for period look. Burnt sienna architectural shingles to match existing shingles on house. Nestled among 50' to 60' mature trees along rear property line. 5' setback from rear property line (neighboring house). 60' setback from east property line (Jacob street). 40' setback from west property line (neighboring house). South side of shed (facing house) in line with existing landscape edging. Existing remnants of old concrete footings indicate location of original garden shed in same area. Line up new garden shed doors with existing sidewalk which previously led to (now vacated) alley and original garden shed. Existing concrete pad near rear property line to be expanded to cover footprint of new garden shed. FD. '1-zlZ 0.08' BELOW A--rF-t,— kTU' CW7A PROP0541.b. G A lz DC" Stb Wo t,, VA F ui -ASPHALT LLI DRIVEWAY - o S TiORY ci F -R A!14 t,E !,v/ StRICK U �r- -4 Ile 41 IK 4' SRICK "W. FD. AS- IA I G T 0 N AVENUE u -X 'YY •&Q -i-\, Ai, 1 n IJ Oew Tsbnq house ddl-k 6raun 711-1r, -a match zxrsh dolor on &u&e- * off-w))JA walls fo match .,e,x?slnq Tudcr colvr on boos-e- Slerma arch; ec4tw shiA3les io match .2.Kishn on house /3a 9 E. ✓�ashin5toh i5 -ds -j- view facin5 Arekj' amonA mature. -ire¢s � I • 414, H 4 cuter 5?�i�cE 21111106R 23 N. 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Plus Backyard Sroa"geirrrdt► Built On site 12131 S R 23 North, Building A, Granger, IN 46530 574271-2825 • Toll Free 800 -559 -BARN www.outerspacesplus.com STAFF REPORT CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS Date: March 6, 2008 Application Number: 2008-0306 Property Location: Leeper Park West Property Owner: City of South Bend Landmark or District Designation: Landscape Landmark and on National Register Rating: STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: Leeper Park is a designed landscape located north of the downtown commercial district of the city. The park was designed by renowned landscape designer George Kessler in 1912. According to the text of National Register nomination the Kessler era ranged from 1912-1923; 1924-1940: implementation of the Kessler plan including additions through WPA era improvements. The Kessler Plan also guided the development of active recreation facilities for Leeper Park. In 1915 tennis courts, baseball and football fields and a playground were developed in the western section of the Park. A 1500 foot toboggan run was also a feature of this portion of the park. Leeper Park was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 2000 APPLICATION ITEMS: Install blower piping (Figure 2 and 3 ) and underground odor control bed to treat sewer gas. Blower to be placed on headworks at river bank, reducing visual impact of existing equipment. (See Diagram) Plant surface odor control bed as flower garden (Figure 1 ). Parks Department will maintain beds. Area will be restored to grass if and When the system is taken out of service. See also accompanying memorandum from SYMBIONT. LEEPER PARK STANDARDS AND CRITERIA: 9.2 Spatial Organization 2.... All views, vistas, landscape spaces located north and east and west of a line designated as the northern fence of the tennis courts located in the western section of Leeper Park shall also be preserved. 9.4 Vegetation (includes Trees, Shrubs, Ground Covers, Hedges, Allees, Fields, Forests, Planting Beds, etc.) 3. Alteration of existing or addition of new vegetation materials and features will be considered if they do not alter the basic concept of the historic landscape design. RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends approval of this project. The proposed location of the flower bed is in the same general area as the shrubs and flower bed in the 1938 documentation of Leeper Park West. (Exhibit A). None of the odor abatement system will be above ground in the Park and will be underneath the flower bed planted with shallow rooted annuals. The more noticeable change will be on the River Crossing Headworks for the sewer which will have a 4'x5'x5' blower installation on top of it, but some of the current piping will be eliminated from the headworks. Application - FOR - Certificate of Appropriateness Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County 125 S. Lafayette Blvd., South Bend, Indiana 46601 Mailing Address: County -City Building, South Bend, Indiana 46601 Phone: 574-235-9798 • Fax: 574-235-9578 • EmaiL-.SBSJCI-IPC@co.st-joseph.in.us Website:,http://www.stjosephcounbjindiana.com/sjdip/index.hbnl OFFICE USE ONLY »»» DO NOT COMPLETE ANY ENTRIES CONTUNED IN THIS BOX »»» OFFICE USE ONLY Datil Received 6 '� a 00 8 Application Number -2 Past Reviews: Ej YES (Date of Inst Review) Staff Approval authorized by: Historic Commission Review Date: ❑ Local Landmark Fj Local Historic District (Name) National Landmark [:] National Register District (Name) ❑ NO Title: Certificate of Appropriateness: Ej Denied F1 Tabled F] Sent'To Committee Approved and Issued DATE Address of Property for proposed work: Southwest Comer of Lafayette Boulevard, Riverside Drive and River Bank Street Number and Street Name Name of Property Owner(s): (Please Print) Citv of South Bend Address of Property Owner(s): Lafavette Boulevard at the St. JoseDh River Coritractor(s) Name: Not Yet Bid Contract Company Name: Will be South Bend Public Works Contract Contractor Address: City: Phone: Current Use of Building: Park Land and River Crossing Headworks for Sewer (Single Family — Multi -Family — Commercial — Government — Industrial — Vacant — etc.) Type of Building Construction: None (Wood Frame — Brick — Stone — Steel — Concrete — Other) Proposed Work: ❑ In-kind Fx_j Landscape E] New [:] Replacement (not in-kind) ,Demolition (more than one box may be checked) Description of Proposed Work: Install blower piping and underground odor control bed to treat sewer gas. Blower to be placed on headworks at river bank, reducing visual Impact of existing equipment. Plant surface of odor control bed as flower oarden. Parks Department will maintain beds. Area will be Owner/Contractor: Fax: (574) 235-9171 e-mail clittrel@southbendin.gov (This office well correspond with only one designee) and/or — APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS ARE LISTED ON REVERSE SIDE — le - 3850 Priority Way South Drive Suite 110 Indianapolis, Indiana 46240 a. 317-573-3620(phone) 317-573-3621 (fax) S Y M B I ION T MEMORANDUM TO: Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County Carl Littrell COPIES: Al Greek FROM: Willie Gonwa DATE: March 5, 2008 SUBJECT: Leeper Park Odor Control — Project Narrative This memorandum provides a narrative description of the proposed odor control facilities at Leeper Park. The purpose of the project is to alleviate foul odors caused by escaping sewer gas. The proposed facilities collect foul air from the sewer system and blow it through an underground 3 -foot thick odor filter bed made of wood chip mulch. The odor bed would be located on the southwest corner of Riverside Drive and Lafayette Boulevard. The bed would be hidden under a 1900 square foot by 1 foot high domed flower planting bed as illustrated in Figure 1. The proposed facilities would replace the existing blower, piping, and carbon filter located at the River Crossing No. 4 headworks (see Figures 2 and 3). The project would consist of the following elements: One 3000 cubic feet per minute fiberglass blower located on top of the existing concrete headworks structure of River Crossing No. 4. The blower would suck air out of the sewer system. The blower would be placed in a sound attenuating enclosure approximately 4 feet high by 5 feet long by 5 feet wide. • A 16 -inch diameter air plenum that would take air from the blower and blow it approximately 220 feet to the odor filter bed. The air plenum (a pipe) would be located underground, except adjacent for a 90 degree elbow and a short vertical segment immediately adjacent to the headworks structure. The route of the air plenum along the back of the curb avoids impacting existing trees. See Exhibit 1 for the proposed route of the air plenum. A 3 -foot thick odor filter bed of wood chip mulch located adjacent to the sidewalk that curves around the corner, outside of the dripline of the existing trees in the park. See Exhibit 1 for the location of the proposed filter bed. Air would be introduced into the filter bed through a gallery of perforated air pipes located at the bottom of the filter bed. An underground irrigation system would provide water to keep the plants and the odor filter bed moist. The odor filter bed will likely require renovation every 3 to 5 years to replace M2 -C2 -W071258-337 Leeper Park Odor Control Project Narrative.doc Milwaukee, Wisconsin • Indianapolis, Indiana decayed filter media. scraping and setting topsoil, and replanting. Renovation will consist of removing and setting aside plants, aside topsoil, removing and replacing the mulch, replacing the Figure 1 Proposed Odor Control Filter Bed Appearance — Planted with Flowers M2 -C2 -W071258-337 Leeper Park Odor Control Project Narrative.doc Milwaukee, Wisconsin a Indianapolis, Indiana Figure 2 Existing, Headworks Structure — View from Street M2 -C2 -W071258-337 Leeper Park Odor Control Project Narrative.doc Milwaukee, Wisconsin ■ Indianapolis, Indiana t "R Sa'$` `•+��i' q�„�,y� _ ` ' ��.� '� I � �tx.+ � ✓` 1 r.A. ��+~4.� .. ,fir � �,,. f f� \"�� K,, �' }t�f - `s ._,J� e ;',,r' t • �a���`t; a..r �:. •, ll.�� �1fMF�tir` �_` ��... ^� .�' . �{' •s Fid �H' � r �. � .-.k � »� L f.My �vs... 9�'�` � �c �.�•4-.;�; �, re } • ~ �y� ��� ,w ��'Y��� �..- �,, � t � �� a ����4t��'tjE'�Yl' `�� ,r,'1� - r• ` s r �� � T ;..1� , � � . � - �(.,� '. �, r . t���cy`y�j�',i ..r.. r�Y�"1'a�a..0 ^rt. � '���� 1 ,3 M4.4 , •`t � � � ,� i.q.w+- Tr p,..g�� � � ;r !' 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T 'yam r y e`er- ..•`R1c, ���, t �_ 9• f • '�' ' Fw,; 'tie; � � ' � , ^�� '� i � 3;-,,,.e `�' •+ �''aw. fir, t "•��'�M'1� Lt Re 21 1" MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE 2 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION 3 OF SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY 4 5 6 February 25, 2008 - DRAFT 7 13`h Floor Conference Room 8 County – City Building, South Bend, Indiana 9 10 Members Present: Timothy Klusczinski, Mary Jane Chase, Lynn Patrick, Linda Riley, David Sassano 11 Members Absent: Jerry Ujdak 12 Staff Present: Catherine Hostetler, Wayne Doolittle, Larry Metiever 13 Staff Absent: Amy Herdman, absent due to illness 14 Also Present: Georges Enderle, Paul Hayden, Colin Hodson, Mark Kroll 15 16 CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL: President Tim Klusczinski called to order at 7:05 pm 17 I. PUBLIC HEARING 18 Application Number: COA# 2008-0214 19 Property Location: 710 Park Avenue 20 Property Owner: Georges Enderle 21 Landmark or District Designation: Local Landmark, Chapin Park LHD/NR 22 Rating: Outstanding 23 24 STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: This Eclectic Italianate was built for 25 Mary Chapin Anderson and Andrew Anderson between 1875 and 1877. Four generations of the 26 Anderson-DuShane family lived in this house until 1962. This is one of the most significant residential 27 architectural structures in the city of South Bend and in Chapin Park. 28 APPLICATION ITEMS: Four wood "tilt pacs", double hung (Marvin) in the bay area. Storage 9 of old stashed in a safe place. 0 CHAPIN PARK STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES 31 C. WINDOWS AND DOORS 32 Window and door frames are in most cases wood and vary depending upon the style of the home. Many 33 are double -hung windows with wood trim and sills. Brick structures have stone sills and brick lintels. 34 In some cases where aluminum siding has been applied, the window and door trim has been covered. 35 About half of the structures in the district have aluminum storm windows; the other half have wood 36 storm windows. 37 Required 38 Original windows and doors shall be retained including sashes, lintels, sills, shutters, decorative glass, 39 pediments, hoods and hardware. When deteriorated beyond repair, they shall be replaced with units and 40 trim resembling the original. 41 Recommended 42 Wood storm windows and doors painted or finished to match the original should be used but 43 should not damage existing frames. If new sashes or doors are installed, the existing or original 44 materials, design and hardware should be used. When metal storm doors are used, they should be 45 painted, anodized or coated to match the existing. When awnings are used, they should be of canvas 46 material. 47 Prohibited 48 Original doors, windows and hardware shall not be discarded when they can be restored and reused in 49 place. New window and door openings, which would alter the scale and proportion of the building, may 50 not be introduced. Inappropriate new window and door features such as metal, vinyl or fiberglass 51 awnings, hoods or aluminum insulating glass combinations that require removal of original windows 52 and doors, shall not be installed. 3 —4 Not Recommended Fake shutters that would detract from the existing character or appearance of the building should not be 4 used. GROUP B LANDMARK STANDARDS B. Treatment: Treatment shall be defined as any change of surface materials that will not alter the style or original form. Such improvements include reproofing, glazing, or landscaping lawns and may involve a change that can potentially enhance or detract from the character of the landmark. A treatment change of any surface whether on the landmark or in its environment may require a Certificate of Appropriateness if it significantly alters the appearance of the landmark. Although these kinds of changes may not require a Building Permit, a Certificate of Appropriateness may be necessary. The commission should review the proposed treatment for character and style consistency with the original surfaces. RECOMMENDATION: The "tilt pac" replacement sashes was one of the options that some Commissioners thought would be a less invasive and more acceptable alternative to a complete window replacement. Staff recommends approval because the "tilt pac" sashes will leave the original window frame in place. Also, the original window sashes will be stored and can be restored and replaced by future homeowners. Klusczinski: Thank you, Professor would you please... ? State your name and address for the record please? Enderle: Georges Enderle, 710 Park Avenue South Bend, Indiana. And so I'm submitting this proposal for the tilt pacs, maybe I should say a few words before. After our last session, in January, I called Mr. Schoberg and he came to my house with his son, and I asked him about the solution of the proposal to retrofit- to restore the existing windows and to add a second pane on the existing window. He told me that he would not do that. I asked him to prepare a quote, and he made a quote for the restoration of my prime window sashes and jambs, plus a quote for the custom wood framed glass inserts for the dining room and another quote for a custom aluminum frame. So, I have that, it's here, it would be between $4400-$4600 for 4 windows. Klusczinski: Did he state a reason that he wouldn't do it? I'm not clear on that part. Enderle: I asked him and he said that he would not do it. Probably for a (unintelligible) of reasons. I don't know. I asked him explicitly you know because it was one of the options that was discussed last time. The second option which was proposed also by Todd Zeiger was the tilt pac Marvin windows. And, I contacted (unintelligle) and also Marvin windows, in particular Bruce. He has been to my house two or three times, and so he knew about that. And that's why I am proposing that solution. To look at the minutes that I got from you, the tilt pac matches height and width of the existing windows, it keeps the size of the glass the same, and it also eliminates the extra sill. And it is about Y of the price. Riley: Will you be having the frames around the windows restored? (Interrupting with gavel strikes) Klusczinski: We're not there yet. Ok, are there any other points to your proposal? Enderle: That's it. Klusczinski: Ok. Very well. Chair recognizes Commissioners or Staff with questions for the petitioner. Linda, you had a question. Riley: Yes, I did. Will you behaving the frame around the window restored? Enderle: Not at the moment. I'm considering repainting the house within 1 year. It will be necessary within one year or so. What I'm proposing is to have the sashes of the tilt pacs painted the same color that they are now, but I'll leave the rest as it is for the time being because I think that I need to do that with the repainting of the house which will be necessary within one or two years. Right now, the painting is ok- not on the East side, on the East side there are some critical spots, but otherwise, on the whole it's still in quite good shape. I'm considering that in one or two years I have to think about repainting the whole house. Riley: Might be a better idea to do it now before you put the windows in. Enderle: You mean inside the window? 2 Riley: The frames... Enderle: Well inside yes, but outside, I mean ... it would be repainted by the whole rest is not painted it remains the same. I certainly would consider that particularly ... the windows, the sashes themselves are in need of repair including paint but around the sashes is not so bad. Riley: Ok. Sassano: I have a question that may be too technical; I don't know if you know the answer. Are you going to be using the 15/16s sash or the 13/4s? The Magnum is the 13/4. Enderle: It's not the Magnum. Sassano: Not the Magnum. Did you get the cost for the Magnum? Enderle: It's about $150.00 more. Sassano: Per window. Enderle: That might be necessaryfor the ones that are bigger windows, now we're just talking about those four windows that are in the bay. Sassano: Which are about 3 x 7, or just about? Enderle: They are, you know, for instance, there is a big window on the west side of the dining room. That would need (unintelligible). Klusczinski: Professor what is the thickness of the existing windows now? Enderle: The thickness....? Klusczinski: Of the sash. Enderle: The sash.... Hostetler: I believe that it's I and 3116s. Sassano: Oh, so it's thin? I don't think that it's that thin. Hostetler: We checked it. Sassano: That's thin. Several conversations muddled the recording. Enderle: And that is really not a problem if you retrofit the second glass. I'm not sure if Mr. Schoberg mentioned it or someone else, that it would be too heavy. Unknown speaker: Could be. Sassano: Where will you store them? Enderle: In the basement, I have a big room which is close to the heating, so it will be a good temperature. Sassano: I just wanted to make sure that it's not out in the garage. Enderle: No, it's in the house. Klusczinski: Anyother questions for the petitioner? Hearing none, Chair opens discussion among Commissioners. I did have something that I wanted to share. There was some communication that I was engaging in with the state historic preservation organization, David Duvall in particular, some of you might know him. I'll read an email that he wrote regarding this case `...specifically with regard to the Anderson house, since this house is of a rare type and rated Outstanding in the survey, presumably individually eligible for the National Register, and with unique window details, radiused heads, etc., replacement windows would necessarily need to be custom built. Without knowing the level of deterioration, one may presume from the status of the house and its period that they were made from old growth hardwoods. Therefore an equivalent material available today would be premium wood such as mahogany or cypress. Currently harvest poplar wouldn't be sufficiently durablefor such an application. Given those considerations, it's difficult to believe that replacement would constitute an economical alternative to repair unless the existing windows are profoundly defective. Relative merits of insulated glass, presumed for replacement vs. single pane glass with a storm window, become very (unintelligible) or scientific but generally favor the latter. Especially when long term maintenance is considered. ' Sassano: Could you repeat that last sentence again Tim, I'm sorry. Klusczinski: Yes, Relative merits of insulated glass, presumed for replacement vs. single pane glass with a storm window, become very (unintelligible) or scientific but generally 3 favor the latter. Especially when long term maintenance is considered. ' By insulated glass I assume that he means encapsulated. Do you want me to go on? Any other thoughts? Sassano: I certainly have a lot of respect for Mr. Duvall, but we are talking about the four simplest windows in the house in that they're four rectangle shapes. I don't think that it's any secret that there's going to beat some point in time a grand scheme here. One of the things that I think that we often overlook in these houses is the quality of the glass itself. And often times when we retrofit them it requires discarding the glass.. Whether it's to put in a % inch insulated unit or not. The thing that I like the most about the proposal is that we're saving these sashes. They're going to be there and if a future owner wants to put them back in and go with an interior or exterior storm, to me that's the single most important aspect of what we're doing. And I think once we accomplish the goal of saving the authentic material which is literally just pulling it out of it's, there's literally no construction to the sash itself, then we're left with what's the visual character of the window. And I think that the tilt pac as presented is as close as we're going to get with any kind of a modern thing. Regarding the mahagony, which this offers an option for, I think that there's an assumption there that this window becomes the long term solution. I'm not sure that it's necessarily appropriate to demand a higher quality when I view this as a non- invasive alteration in which the original material is kept fully in tact. That, to me, is the.... Klusczinski: Do you reconcile that with the language in the guidebook? Sassano: Um... Klusczinski: ...for windows that are not yet deteriorated beyond repair? Sassano: I don't. I'm going to plead naivete, this is my second meeting. I have read the guidelines; my familiarity is more with the National Register guidelines and the Secretary of the Interior's standards which are always trying to strike a balance between improved environmental control and maintaining authentic fabric. And, again, the national standards focus more on authentic fabric, I mean, it's important that it's actually 100 years old.. And so the saving of authentic fabric is paramount when possible. In this case, the thought is you know, 10 years from now who knows where the technology is, what's the opportunity to do better insulation in the walls with some new material and we can then put the older windows back in and you know the respective loss to the heating and cooling loads could be greatly diminished, who knows? Um, so that's how I'll answer your question- no I don't reconcile it because it says to me, although I've been known for parsing a few words now and then, original doors, windows and hardware shall not be discarded when they can be restored or reused in place. Um, that... well, they're not being discarded. It's open to interpretation. Klusczinski: Well, and the other thing — requirement: original windows and doors shall be retained. And when deteriorated beyond repair implying that would be the replacement option, they shall be replaced with units and trim resembling the original. Sassano: What I'm giving deference to here really is to the glass over the wood. I'd rather see the original glass stored in the basement than removed and discarded to save a 1 inch piece of wood. I'd rather see that window come back in with its original hand floated glass at some future time and date. I just don't know that we have the jurisdiction to say no you can't do anything. That's where ... uh, can well tell somebody that they're not allowed to improve the energy efficiency of their home, I don't know. Metiever: The short answer is yes. You do have that authority if it detracts from the exterior appearance of the structure. Sassano: Well right see, but I don't think that you can argue that it detracts from the exterior appearance; it only detracts from the original authentic value. And that's where... Klusczinski: And neither would David, keeping the original windows and installing interior storms. That could accomplish the same... Sassano: Oh, there's no question that there are options, and again, I don't know that it's our job to direct what has to be done as much as it is to react to what's being proposed. He's submitting the application and we have to react to its appropriateness. Metiever: That's true. 51 Sassano: And so I just like the idea that we're not precluding other future options here. That to me is very valuable. Klusczinski: You had something Linda? Riley: I'd like to speak in favor of this, I was presently surprised to see that the staff recommended this after all that we've been through. When you look at these windows, unless you go right up to these windows and bang them and knock on them, you're not going to know the difference between the ones that they want to put in and the old ones. If you saw the window in his house, some of the window frames that the glass fits in is so rotted that it would have to be replaced anyway. The only difference being you're going to probably have a majority of the wood replaced, you're going to lose the original glass which is wavy and unique. Sassano: No, you can repair that wood without losing the glass, you can epoxy fill that. Riley: Well... Chase: We've brought that up a number of times. Riley: Well, ok, but I would like to see him have an energy efficient house and it's not going to lookfrom the street like... Sassano: I think that it's also important to note that in this area of the house, either for now or for opening to wall opening is significantly, is ... in other words there's far more window opening than wall opening. Ido think that it's worth noting that when we look at a lot of the other windows there's a lot of wall in this house and I'm not sure that the gain to energy efficiency is going to be as great as sealing cracks, as insulating, as things like that. Throughout the rest of the house, we're looking at a much smaller percent of the openings. But you know I can appreciate the value in this one spot where it's almost all glass. So I do see this as a somewhat unique condition in this house due to percentage of window to wall. Klusczinski: And how would future boards or petitioners differentiate that particular aspect especially when those qualifications aren't spelled out in the guidelines? Sassano: I appreciate your question. Klusczinski: I think that any window in this house is now at liberty for change because of these four. Sassano: Sure. Klusczinski: If these are original, those are too. Sassano: Sure, I mean precedent is something that we always have to say, I can only offer that not being terribly familiar with the guidelines until recently, I'm a little surprised to not see a specific set of statements regarding energy eff ciency. I can only tell you that in the Secretary of the Interior's standards, it says quite a bit about it. And maybe that's something that we need to consider addressing. Klusczinski: Did you have something to say, or were you... ? Patrick: I'm just listening. Klusczinski: Any one else with comments? Chase: Am I to understand that this proposal would be acceptable to keep the look to the original? Klusczinski: I wouldn't want to comment on that. Chase: And that's just what I needed to know if this proposal is going to duplicate the look that's there with the change in glass to give you double pane and either repairing or replacing pieces of wood. That this is going to solve the security in the home with a warmer window vs changing the sill in all the way we talked. Is this proposal going to be more to the original look? Klusczinski: To each his own. Sassano: My opinion is that visually the lines will be the same. Chase: Ok. Sassano: The sticking point here is how one interprets the guidelines which could suggest that if the window can at all be repaired that it must be repaired. Chase: Well that was our contention, but the problem with that was we didn't know if the fill pac could go in. Klusczinski: And this is the fill pac. I guess that I'm of the mind still, and until I die, that unless, because of the nature of the windows, because they contribute greatly to the structure and because there are no better matches to the building than the windows that it was constructed with. Unless they're deteriorated, and I think that where they fall short, as far as thermal eff ciency and all that which would allow us to guide the public to be able to introduce those solutions and be able to retain the original windows. I don't have enough experience to know what might happen to compromise the aesthetics of this building since it's not yet a National Register landmark in and of itself. And, it right now has it's original 136 year old original windows in it- and a matched set all the way around, 54 windows, something like that. If we start piece mealing this, or if people do, it should be an all or nothing and I'm not sure that I'm comfortable in saying that if it's an all replacement house that it really serves the public or historic preservation for the example.... Sassano: I would argue that it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Nothing in our guidelines suggest... Klusczinski: But this would be National Register consideration. And it would be what they would call on it. Sassano: Well, National Register would certainly valuate their review of this based on how much of that material is authentic. Which is why a critical aspect of this is that we save them, and that they're there. And that, should someone in the future want to put this on the National Register and David Duval comes up and says you want the register then you have to put the windows back in, well then ok, they're going back in. Or should he decide that after he puts two tilt pacs in that he doesn't like them and the interior sash isn't such a bad idea after all, there they are. Klusczinski: Or do you know that in the installation process... Sassano: In the installation process that they won't fit right or will be damaged. The question that I have a hard time answering is when you evaluate whether something requires replacement. What role does inefficiency play in that determination? That's where our guidelines are just unfortunately not clear. Klusczinski: But I think that we do offer latitude to be able to satisfy those things. Sassano: And you're looking at interior storms? Klusczinski: Yes, I am. Any other questions, comments. Chase: I'm just really not clear on this, so... in suggesting the fill pack, you're still saying this isn't what HPC is looking for? Klusczinski: My opinion and it's not the same as everyone on the Board, my opinion would be is that it conflicts with the guidelines. And it's capable of setting an unfortunate precedent that could undermine many of the suggestions that we would make to support these guidelines in and of themselves. So, I worry about that, and I worry about what this Board's role would be if it wasn't for the retention of original historic features and amenities and parts and pieces of a building that are not deteriorated beyond repair. When I look at this, I don't see us as the pseudo-historic design review committee. I see us the Historic Preservation Board. In my mind, there's a reason beyond just the aesthetics of what we're looking at or what one of us would feel they'd see from a sidewalk view of the building or area in question. I think that what we're trying to do is to preserve a structure of a certain period in time of history with windows that do more than just operate as windows. Its part of a matched set, its part of a building, and it compliments a structure- they are the original Anderson windows. The other Andersons. Chase: Not the Anderson company, the other Andersons... Klusczinski: Yeah, so I look at more than just architectural features, that certainly plays into it. We're historic preservation, we're not historic architecture, there are other things... prominentpeople living in this house, whether or not the original features can or should be retained. I think that it's in our mission to help that to happen whenever it's possible. Without that, everything is subject to change. This building inevitably would become something completely different, if the HPC hadn't intervened since 1973 and there weren't other C of As, and because it's such a unique example to... T Chase: So if they're stored in the basement, is that an acceptable solution? Klusczinski: Well, if they're stored in the basement, I think that legally we have no mechanism for reviewing if that ever happens and to what extent that would satisfy us. It sounds good, and I certainly believe that Dr. Enderle would do it, but what about the next owner? And how about if boxes fall onto the sashes? And I think that the nicest way to preserve the windows is to preserve them in place where they can function and satisfy the dwelling. So, I'd rather see them on the house than in the basement because we have no mechanism to make sure to make that happens, nor to make sure that no unfortunate damage from the installation of sash pacs causing maybe the original windows not to go right back in without more and more modifications. So, those are concerns that I have. I try to standardize my decision making process from within this guidebook. I mentioned before that it's the closest thing that we have to a contract with the neighborhood. And, I did have the availability to sit on the local district standards committee to review this book; in fact that's how I met many of you to begin with. And I know what the logic and the sentiments were coming from the neighborhood at that time, and I know that our panel was composed of people that were both for and against the ordinance in general, but for whatever reason, we came together So with the understanding that windows are worth keeping in place and everyone on our committee back then had no problem seeing that- I don't represent that committee anymore, but I bring that here as an understanding of what the entire district, I guess, found acceptable from the representatives that we had sit on that committee. So, I mean...I'm a windows guy... Sassano: And you make a very eloquent case, I must admit. I want to ask Mr. Enderle, do you currently open the windows? And they operate pretty well? What would you say if I told you that the chances of them opening as well will likely decrease when you put these new ones in because with the pressure bar, there's every likelihood that they will jam. Enderle: What I open, I open the window to the east and so, and I open the door of the house, and the kitchen... Sassano: Of the four windows that you have, do they all open pretty well? Enderle: No, not all four. Sassano: But that's something that's important to you? Enderle: Yes. Sassano: These new windows likely aren't going to open that well, are you aware of that? Enderle: What I see, I also on the second floor, I can open ... I open the lower sash in winter time and the upper sash in summer time. Sassano: But do you appreciate that your new windows may not open? Enderle: The question is... Sassano: Well, the technology is such that they're going to get stuck. It's not a question of the windows not really fitting, I think that by looking you can see that they're. square enough to fit, but they may not be square enough to go up and down. Enderle: That was my concern that I always had, you know. That's why, that was the main reason that first I proposed the wood insert. Then you have the frame which is squared. The thing is that the windows and the house is quite stable, I'm amazed to see that, but quite right I can't guarantee if they'll really work. The main point why I want those is for air conditioning. I don't have any air conditioning in my house, and I don't need it. I can do it by opening those two different sashes and it works. Riley: If you can't open these new windows then where are you? Sassano: What we're suggesting and I think that we all agree that what's in the best interest of your house is restoring those windows. I know that you don't believe that, but I think that we.... Enderle: I think that ifyou restore the windows then you'll have the same question about squared.... Sassano: No, you won't because they're already built and they can easily be adjusted. The thing is ... you see, because you're using a weighted movement, not a pressurized unit, ok, the weighted movement allows the window to go up and down in a non perfectly square 7 unit. I think that we've all experienced in a window that's not open, the window can actually jiggle around a little when it goes up and down. New windows require two perfectly pressurized vinyl tracks and it's the consistency of it's pressure, what happens is it goes up just like that then it sticks. Endele: But then it's not insulating enough. If I restore it, and maybe they go up and down but there is a space between the sashes and the frame. Sassano: That's easy to insulate with standard weather stripping. Enderle: But I assume that they work, yes. Klusczinski: I'm sure that's something that could be adjusted or remedied too. I'm sure that the frames could be slightly racked or shimmed or something... Sassano: The sash frame or the windows frame? Klusczinski: The windowframe. Sassano: What you have to remember is that all of those windows were built on site and they could have been built out of square. I mean, they were carpentry, they didn't order them and off load them off of a truck. So if they're not square, that's how they were built. Klusczinski: So it's an original example of craftsmanship now? Sassano: Well, that was never in doubt. Riley: Did you have a letter that you wanted to read? Klusczinski: I did. Riley: From.... Klusczinski: I slipped it in... Riley: From Joan... Klusczinski: We're not at the public hearing yet. I'll try to hurry up. very good. Thank you professor. Is there any member of the public willing to speak in support of the petition? Hearing none, seeing none. Is there any member of the public wishing to speak in opposition to the current position? Name and address for the record sir. Hayden: My name is Paul Hayden, and my address is 402 W Washington Street in South Bend. For the last 30 years, I've worked as a restoration contractor in the West Washington district and the surrounding areas. For the last year I've been a preservation consultant with Historic Landmarks Foundation. I'd like to take this opportunity to let you know that I made a site visit to this property on 101212007. I was able to inspect the windows and sashes for this bay window in question. I just made some notes, and wanted to review those. Sashes appeared to be original on all four, both upper and lower. The corners on the upper sashes were loose so they had dropped down a bit and that was causing gaps. Some of the wood at the bottoms was slightly soft, as some moisture had gotten in there and some of the wood was creating rot. Window glaze was in pretty good to fair condition. There was a minor amount ofpeeling paint, and I'd say that judging from the amount of peeling, the windows had been painted in about the last five or so years. There was a slight angle at the bottom of the sash where the sash met the sill. There was a little bit of a gap there that would have to be addressed. That was not the fault of the window; the bay has sunk slightly in the foundation. Some missing things were also important- there was no sign of weather stripping on any of the windows. Nor any sign that it had been applied. I didn't find any remnants of storm window hardware, that would indicate tome that a wood storm window was not original. I just wanted to get that out and say that out front. Also, what was a little unusual on these was the lack of a window stop. In typical construction for double hung windows you'd have an upper sash that's held in place by a window stop and then you have the outer casing. There was no window stop on this which was a little different then you would typically see. So, based on that, I want to make a few comments... here's what I feel strongly about, 1. the preservation creed, first, do no harm. Don't tear out something that can be repaired. Leave it in place. Sash pacs remove the original sashes, the glass, the pulley system and damage the window jambs. Having worked on houses that have sash pacs that rot and deteriorate over the years, this is a problem that I want to impress upon- most window pulleys are pressed into the sides of the jamb, many contactors just hack them out, they're very difficult to remove carefully. It's like porcupine quills, when you pull those out it cracks out the jamb stock. Also not recommended is the new pine wood stock. They're not rot resistant. Existing jamb openings are out ofsquare I think that's problematic. What is recommended in a window of this circumstances? The sashes are old growth poplar. Probably the wood for this house came from within 50 miles or less of this house. Came from forests that were native poplar and were humungous back then. The wood used would have been 100+ years old. That should be retained it's an important part of the house. Of course, the old glass is there, it's wavy; it's irregular, and its part of the history of the house that should be kept. Wood storm windows, or any kind of storm windows were not originally on the house. So, I do want to get that out there. However, having worked on federal historic tax credit projects before, those are allowed to be introduced. You would do it in such a way with the appropriate historic hardware and do it in such a way that you didn't damage the surrounding window trim. At a later date, if someone wants to remove those they can. I would recommend whether you actually approve replacement windows or restore the existing, slightly jack up the bay. It is tilting towards the west, and it's creating an irregular gap. And finally, I'd recommend weatherstripping; it does a whole lot ofgood. My conclusion is that this property is outstanding. It's rated outstanding, it's an important neighborhood, and this is the one that's considered outstanding... one of only several in that neighborhood. We have an obligation to guard that. I would conclude that you need to deny the request for replacement windows. Patrick: Paul, I have one question for you. Hayden: Sure. Patrick: In the storm windows, and I know that you don't want to install them, but I just want to be clear. With the little hinge, they're never actually lifted up and put up and taken down, they just remain in place they just tilt out when you want them to? Hayden: Yes, and that is the option. You could take them down if you need to, or leave them for, and push them out for ventilation, they usually have a handle on the inside, pull them shut and then latch. Patrick: So the homeowner would have the option of taking them up and down or just kicking them out for ventilation? My neighbor does that on his. Hayden: It's what I've got on my own house. Thank you very much. Klusczinski: Another hand? Hodson: I'm Colin Hodson, and Ilive at 807 Ashland Avenue in Chapin Park. I want to first say that I'm not an expert in anything that has to do with old homes. However, I was on the second committee for the Chapin Park neighborhood association that worked on the standards, not the final committee that Tim was talking about, but the original body that took examples from other districts and came up with the base set of samples that was finalized into what we have today. I do have kind of a vested interested in that I already have a lot of hours dedicated to the principles that we're hoping to uphold by having those standards in place. That's about the only thing that I have intimate knowledge of other than my visual aid is a certificate that I got when I went to the 3 day workshop on restoring wood, double hung sash windows of the type that we're talking about today. I'm not a particularly handy guy, but what we did was took down, disassembled, restored and replaced 8 ft double hung windows in the old synagogue building, built in 1901. A new one. I understand though that double hung wood windows have not changed a whole lot over the years. I was amazed that the windows we took apart and I worked with a 19 year old girl, the two of us with the guidance of Bob Yapp, in one weekend, the two of us who had never done that before completed the window. I was amazed and astounded by what you can do. The techniques we used make the windows fit a little better. Since I did the seminar back in 2005, I've restored a number of the windows in my house, not all of them or as many as I should have, but I've done them We've repaired some pretty extensive damage. When we got finished with it, it took two or three people to get those counterweights back in and that top sash all the way up. The tops of sashes are an arch. When we got done they were just beautiful, some of them had, uh... well, that's irrelevant, X go by and seethe building, the other thing that I want to talk about is practicality. The fact is if Mr. Enderle ever moves out of his house then any guarantees that the windows might be preserved is gone. The practical fact of the matter is that if I moved into a house and by the way, I want to thank Mr. Enderle for buying and preserving that house, it's beautiful. I wish my house was as beautiful as yours, but it never will be. My house is more value because it's as beautiful, and the neighborhood benefits because it's beautiful. The point that I wanted to make was that ifI bought that house or someone else bought it from Dr. Enderle, it may just be a dusty pile of junk to me. I might stack my books on it, or it might get knocked over by the kids when they're playing down there, and I'm going to sweep it all out into the bin behind the house and that will be the last that we ever see of that. If you want to preserve something, leave it where it is, and that would probably be the best way to preserve it, that's just my practical viewpoint. Klusczinski: Thank you. Chase: I think you're bringing up epoxy is so important because it seems to be a point of disbelieffor so many people. That you can repair it better than it was. Many people just don't believe it. They think that glue is glue and putty is putty, but not what they do with windows. Hodson: In fact, I have a fireplace in the inglenook in the entrance to my house and someone had broken out some of the brick that fronts it. I got a different version of that epoxy and I just kind of pasted it in there, after cleaning the brick and chiseled and sanded it and even put the grout line in and you can't even tell it. It's amazing. Kroll: My name is Mark Kroll and I live at 819 Park Avenue, South Bend. I've been a contractor since 1968 and sometime in the mid-80s I started specializing in old home restoration. I've restored hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of windows. And, just like the last gentleman said, restoring windows is one of the easiest things. Any carpenter with just modest skills can restore an old wood window properly, and they will work like brand new. Lift up and down with one finger. They seal well, they insulate well, the addition of screens and storms whether they're inside or outside will give you your insulation factor. You know, you have in your guidebook, on page 81, it says in case of structures located within the district that are designated individually as landmarks, the most restrictive guidelines shall apply. We know we're talking about 4 windows today, but we're not, we're not just talking about every window in that house, but in that neighborhood. If a house of that significance is allowed, to replace with something that isn't exactly the same, and I've worked with those Marvin windows on jobs and I'll tell you the jobs that we used them on were houses that were burned and in the ghetto. It's not a very good product. I've never been happy with them, and just as Mr. Sassano talked about, the operation with them, a new unit in an old frame is bound to have problems. Somebody will slam a door and the top sash will come down, I mean you know you're constantly going out to readjust the tension on those jamb liners. Remember, you're putting metal jamb liners into wood, and that is visible from the outside. Like Paul Hayden mentioned, the only way that you're getting that jamb liner is to pull those pulleys out, and somewhere it says that you're to maintain the hardware not just the, the hardware parts. You're not going to have the same hardware parts. Those are probably going to get destroyed in the process. Let's see, I have done work on this house for the previous owner and I was asked about the windows, not asked for an estimate at that time but for my opinion, but my opinion then and now is that they're very restorable, they're no where near the state of some that we've... we had a mill shop we could build sash and have built sash. We've done additions on historic homes where we would match the sash and build it exactly like the ret of the house. These windows will stick out like a sore thumb, I guarantee you that. You walk by, you are going to know, and then once you have that, now what do we do? As Mr. Klusczinski said, it's really an all or nothing thing. It's not going to have the same appearance, I guarantee you that. You're going to see those metal jamb liners. Like I say, we used to build wood storms, some people wanted them inside, some outside, we could fit them however. The nice thing about storms is even if they're not original to the structure 10 540 they're a temporary thing, you have to do virtually nothing to remove it. And you do get a 541 lot of insulation; Ithink there's been studies done about what you gain from insulated glass 542 vs. wood sash and wood storms. It would take something like 500 years or something to 543 ever get your money out of replacements, it's silly. And you're talking about stacking a IF4 whole lot of windows down in some guys basement, and I'm telling you, you'd better not W5 mix them up. You'd better have it branded on those sashes and the jamb for where it went, 546 if you try to put sash X in Y's jamb, You're going to be pulling them out and trying to figure 547 out what's what. There 'sjust no reason for it, your own guidelines say that if they're 548 repairable, that's what you do. I mean, if they were, and I'm sure the owner would, I 549 mean, that's all he wants is ventilation, he's going to have a worse situation, and you know 550 personal preference, 'I'd rather have something new than something...' well, this 551 Commission is here far a reason, and you're just going to open up the flood gates. Ijust, 552 not just for this house, but why should anybody, I mean just ignore this and throw it away. 553 You're here because most people don't know what's proper, most people that own these 554 homes, they don't know. Ifyou took an opinion poll tip and down, they don't what goes 555 into tearing old sash out, they don't know what damage you do, you gotta pull out the 556 weights and pullies, and damaged, and you're not going to have the same hardware. 557 There's something that I've always found difjlcult, though somewhat successful in doing is 558 building age into a new product, so it looks like its 100 or 130 years old. It's hard to do, 559 it's hard to take something brand new, and make it look like its part of, and just by that 560 alone, they stick out. Ijust believe that this Commission has an absolute obligation to go 561 with the letter of the law. I am going to tell you that the restoration of windows is not an 562 expensive thing, it's just not. As this gentlemen said, afew hours, afew days, me working 563 by myselfI can do one in a day, taking everything out, take all the glass out, take all the 564 putty out, reglaze the glass, put the glass back in, re -rope it, paint and putty, oil the pulleys. 565 It's a one finger operation, they were made well. The only windows I can recall that we 566 had to go to something to replace whether than repair, was if there was afire. And I've 567 worked on buildings that were abandoned for years, left vacant and empty and even those. I've done a lot ofwork for SB Heritage, $250, 000 projects for them that were uh a big 9 portion was doors and windows. I won't take up anymore ofyour time. Anyone have any 0 118 questions? 571 Doolittle: Ipromise that I will be brief. I'm Wayne Doolittle, 407 Lamont Terrace. Tome, 572 it is not about the homeowner. It's not about me, I've lived in my house, I've lived in my 573 house for 31 years, it's not about George or anyone else, it's about the properties 574 themselves. We're only there temporarily so when we do things for ourselves, because we 575 want to have them that way, it makes them all disappear for all time. I have never seen a 576 new window that I could not tell from an old one. And in the many many houses I've 577 looked at, new windows are new windows and old ones are old ones. You can always tell. 578 1just have afeeling that what we do, that what I'm doing is a care taker of my house. It 579 doesn't make a difference if can see something from the street or not when you restore a 580 property you're restoring an entire property and you often restore things that you don't 581 ever see. So it isn't about what you can see ultimately, it's about the integrity of the whole 582 house. I would also echo the thought that if we start to do this, then we have a real 583 problem. You're losing 20% of your heat through your windows; well 80% is going 584 somewhere else. There are other ways of doing this, actually this house probably had 585 shutters on it to begin with. Many people took their shutters down and put storms up and 586 that began in the 1880's some chose to do it, some didn't. Thankyou. 587 Hostetler: I have a letter to read. This morning we received an email from Poland, from 588 Joanie Downs Krostenko: 'Dear Catherine, Greetings from Poland. It is appropriate of me 589 to write to the members of the HPC Board re: the latest attempts by Dr. Enderle to 590 permanently deface probably the most pristine treasure of vernacular architecture 591 surviving in St. Joe County. As I am out of the country for the year, I can not be in M2 attendance at the meeting on Monday. I do not have all of their email addresses. Please, please do not let this C ofA go through. How will we prevent Dr. Enderle from changing 11 other windows in this amazing house? How will we prevent other people in St. Joe County from doing the same? As you know, the preservation/restoration of original windows is recognized by all authorities in historic preservation as of singular importance to the integrity of our priceless patrimony (?). Please do not let him take this away from us. Sincerely, Joan Downs Krostenko'. Doolittle: May I add one quick thing again? If I can remember.... Wayne Doolittle 407 Lamont Terrace. Uh, this Commission has been requiring people to take windows out and store them for 32 years. Not one person has ever put them back in. They'll never go back in, because when you're changing the opening, you're changing the opening. Which means you can not put them back in, that's just an observation. Klusczinski: Chair closes public hearing. Professor, you have a 3 minute rebuttal. Enderle: First, I'm not so eloquent like the previous speakers. I'm not, this is my foreign language, English. I did not organize my defense like someone else organized four speakers you know to speak against my proposal. I did not do that. I think that the guidelines should be applied equally for Tippecanoe and my house, for any historic building, not just for my house. I feel now like you're concentrating on my house, telling me that this is the most beautiful house and that we have special rules for your house, and this is not legal. Now, another point and I the email in my profession an evaluation and judgment, but before you do that I need to know the situation. I must say that she (Joan Downs Krostenko) has never been in my house to look at the concrete issues. How can I make a judgment or to say something without..I don't understand this. Now about restoring the windows. I'm willing to do that if it's possible to retrofit to have two double glass pane windows, is that it's not the case. Then to say to put exterior storm windows on top of my existing windows as I said last time would be a shame. It would destroy the appearance of my windows as they are now. If I can slip out one piece of the storm windows out or not. I have one exterior storm window which is ugly, and I don't' want to have all of my windows to have this kind of exterior storm windows it would be against the spirit and the letter of these guidelines. Sassano: Can we ask him questions? Klusczinski: Not at this point. Thank you professor. Chair recognizes commissioners for additional discussion at this time. Riley: I have a question about a house in our neighborhood where the windows were allowed to be replaced and I'm assuming.... Klusczinski: And I think that the consideration was that it didn't have the same rating. Riley: Because this is so significant. Hostetler: Are you thinking of the Soderberg s? Riley: No, the ...(unintelligible) Hostetler: Because I think that the Soderberg's were already replacement windows. Riley: Do we have a Wayne Street...? Klusczinski: Ok, other thoughts? Riley: So you're not ... when the house is not so very significant, then you're not... Klusczinski: Well, at times what this Board has been willing to do is when a house is non contributing overall, this has a threefold quality, it's in a National Register district, it's in a local district and it's also a local protected landmark, so it is... Sassano: It is a local landmark? Patrick: Oh yes. Klusczinski: What it's not is a National Register landmark of itself, but those qualities might be compromised for changes because it is a rare and unique example of 136 year old windows in tact. Does that answer your question? Riley: Yes, thank you. Chase: Going with that, the Chapin Park district is much older than .... Klusczinski: Chapin Park, the first house was platted in 1857. Riley: Yeah, I know, uh huh. 12 Patrick: I would like to make the comment of the Professor that it's illegal to hold him to a different standard, and just comment that he's not being held to a different standard but to what's in the guidebook; i.e. the windows not being replaced, unless they are deteriorated beyond repair. Based on my personal visit and all other evidence I don't believe that they're deteriorated beyond repair. And you're not being held to a different standard, it's about what's in the guidebook for that kind of property. Klusczinski: So in cases where there are dual guidelines, the most restrictive ones apply and your house is nestled within a National Register district, a local historic district and it's a landmark itself. Hostetler: Tippecanoe's guidelines are the A guidelines, they're the only ones in the City that are d fferent from everyone else's, and they apply to the interior. Klusczinski: So, professor, they're under even more stringent guidelines because we have some jurisdiction over the inside of the building unlike your house. Hostetler: It's a national, it's a fagade easement with Historic Landmarks Foundation. Klusczinski: So it's not a local landmark, Group A standards... Hostetler, No, it's a National Register Group A. Klusczinski: Ok, very good, any other discussion? Any comments from legal? Metiever: Not at this time. Klusczinski: Hearing none. Chair entertains a motion. Patrick: I'll make a motion. Regarding Certificate of Appropriateness 2008-0214, I move that the C of A as submitted be denied. Sassano: You have to give reasons right? Klusczinski: Not yet, is there a second? Chase: Second. Klusczinski: Motion has been made and seconded. Any additional discussion? Correct me if I'm wrong counsel, we've been told by previous counsel that we had to give reasons if we conflicted with the main motion. Metiever: Yes, and no. Generally you would make a motion in the aff rmative to approve and then anyone voting against the approval would give reasons for the disapproval. As the motion is made and pending on the table, the motion is to deny, so a yes vote for that particular motion is a disapproval and therefore under the general guidelines you would have to give a reason for in this case a yes vote to deny. So, yes, you have to give a reason. Klusczinski: So in other words whenever a C of A is denied, we must give a reason. Sassano: All of us. Metiever: Yes. Sassano: So everyone that is in favor of that motion to deny must give a reason. Klusczinski: Any other discussion? Hearing none, I'll begin with roll call please. Patrick: Do I have to give my reason? Klusczinski: Yes, your official vote and reason. Patrick: Ok, I vote to deny for the reason that the windows are not deteriorated beyond repair, and that replacement is contraindicated based on the historic guidelines for this district and this property. Klusczinski: Timothy Klusczinski, vote in favor of the motion to deny with these brief comments. History is forever. But its symbols are temporary. Someday every historic building that we cherish today will be lost. Even in our lifetime, we can recall entire neighborhoods erased, buildings razed and houses remuddled. Some changes are drastic, others add up over time. Recognizing that all change is inevitable, preservation should do it's very best to guide the changes that confront symbols of our heritage. The 1872 Anderson House is one of these examples. Historic preservation is not a pretty buildings'society. Well beyond that notion it is a plan for mapping our culture with recognition for those that paved the way. It's about innovation, craftsmanship and a complete understanding of now unavailable materials, the longevity of the products built from them and the embodied energy that they possess. 13 As romantic as preservation might appear, it is also anchored in science and economics. Successful preservation must be furthered by reasonable, objective standards. It sometimes must differentiate between society's needs and its wants. We are only stewards of our domain and the buildings that we occupy. Rare and unique examples of the past must be carefully guarded. Preservation must strive to be informed and energy conscious. It must respect the birth of new ideas with respect to the need for change and the impact of change to the surroundings. That does not mean that it conflicts with progress and technology. It also does NOT mean that historic features are wasteful and inefficient. Nothing could be further from the truth! According to "The Repair of Historic Wooden Windows " Preservation Brief no.9 - issued by the US Secretary of the Interior and National Park Service -Technical Preservation Services, and relating to historic properties and windows, "After all of the factors have been evaluated (these are, "admitting light to the interior spaces, providing fresh air and ventilation to the interior, providing a visual link to the outside world, and enhancing the appearance of a building'), "windows should be considered significant to a building if they. 1) are original, 2) reflect the original design intent for the building, 3) reflect period or regional styles or building practices, 4) reflect changes to the building resulting from major periods or events, or 5) are examples of exceptional craftsmanship or design. " Preservation Brief no.9 continues, "Consider energy efficiency as one of the factors for replacements, but do not let it dominate the issue. Energy conservation is no excuse for the wholesale destruction of historic windows, which can be made thermally efficient by historically and aesthetically acceptable means. " Therefore, I vote to deny C of A #2008-0214 for the following reasons: 1. Page 74175 of the Chapin Park Guidebook directs that "original windows and features shall be retained" and that they "shall not be discarded when they can be restored and reused in place. " It goes on to say that `features... that require the removal of original windows and doors, shall not be installed. " 2. The existing windows on the structure are not deteriorated beyond repair and can be reconditioned and repaired as necessary. 3. A correctable, lack of maintenance is not a case for the replacement of existing or original window units or window components. 4. Enhancements and upgrades that do not compromise the structure or the Guidebook language are available and can be installed to compliment the existing and original window units (i.e. interior storms). 5. The proposed changes are in stark contrast to practices endorsed by the HPC for the preservation of historic structures. 6. While the owner volunteers to store the old sashes in a safe place, the HPC has no mechanism to verify that this practice will be carried out satisfactorily or that sashes will be sustained in an acceptable form to permit reinstallation, which I believe to be the rationale for storage. It is also conceivable that the original window frames will be compromised or damaged from the installation of the "tilt pacs " thereby negating the opportunity for stored sashes to be re -installed into their corresponding frames - in the future. 7. The maintenance and repair of original and unique features (including windows) is endorsed by the Indiana Department of Natural Resources, Division of Historic Preservation & Archeology, the National Trust for Historic Preservation, and honor the US Secretary of the Interior's Guidelines for Restoration. 8. The Anderson House is a signature Local Historic Landmark that resides inside the Chapin Park Local and National Historic Districts. In its present state, it is a National Register candidate. Modifications and adulterations to the structure including the replacement of exterior features (windows) will undermine its qualifications for that status. 14 9. I firmly believe that the existing 136 -year-old windows are a rare feature of this landmark and contribute toward its identity and appeal. 10. That the replacement offour or even one window, will serve to set a dangerous precedent for additional windows to receive the same treatment and latitude. 11. The permission to replace windows in a signature landmark will serve only to challenge this Commission's authority and guidance when reviewing proposals for other historic properties within its jurisdiction. An exception to the guidebook will invite accusations of policy rooted in subjective, arbitrary and capricious practices. The Guidebook must always be preserved as a frameworkfor preservation and a contract to property owners inside the District. 12. The petitioner has not demonstrated an unreasonable hardship from the denial of this application, orfrom recommendations to pursue standard maintenance and repair practices or other prescribed improvements. 13. It is questionable to think that other members of the public whose projects have supported the Guidebook of the district or that of Local Historic Landmarks will view the proposed changes favorably.. Or that the change will best serve future homeowners of the Anderson House. Sassano: With the caveat that I'm still trying to understand the intent of the Code, it clearly states that original doors, windows and hardware shall not be discarded when they can be restored and reused in place, page 75 of the guidebook. In my professional opinion, and in any opinion I'd think, the windows clearly are restorable and to remove them and not restore them in place would clearly be in contradiction to the guidebook. Based on those guidelines I move in favor of the motion to deny. Chase: Mary Jane Chase, I am in favor of the motion for a couple of reasons. When you accept a house of this quality, you accept obligations. An obligation is to preserve it, you're a caretaker. The threat of having legal action taken is not the issue. The issue is to be a good caretaker, and we have proof that the windows can be restored and work very well, better than a fake replacement. It would be like taking the Hope diamond, taking it out and putting a glass chip in there. Then you relinquish the stewardship of that house. I vote to accept the motion. Klusczinski: Linda? Riley: I vote to deny the motion. I've been convinced tonight by all of these people that know more than I do, of how significant this house is and how important it is to keep the windows and repair them... Klusczinski: Chair requires a clarification of your vote. I think that you voted in favor to deny, which is to deny a denial... Riley: I'm voting in favor of the motion. Sorry. This house is so significant, I think that the windows should be repaired and maintained. We are opening Pandora's Box if we start allowing one of the better houses in our town to replace the windows. Moved: Patrick Second: Chase To deny C of A 2008-0214 Approved Unanimously 5-0 Klusczinski: We're under a continuance for C of A 2007-1107A. There is no public hearing tonight. That C of A was introduced November 26, if memory serves, or November 19, 2007. We have been under continuance in the December and January meetings and require a decision tonight. The continuance will expire, and that C of A will go through by default if not defeated. So, it's a clarification. Chair entertains a motion to accept or deny C of A 2007-1107A. l�� WA APPLICATION ITEMS: Four Marvin replacement windows in the bay area, wood ultimate insert double hung, double pane, upgraded to Low E II with Argon gas. Per letter and specifications submitted. Sassano: So this doesn't automatically....? Patrick: No, because there was a continuance. Chase: Ok, I'll present C ofA 2007-1107A, that that C ofA be denied. Klusczinski: Motion has been made, is there a second? Riley: Second. Klusczinski: Motion is made and seconded. Any Commission discussion? Sassano: It seems to me that I should recuse myself from this as this was all before I was, here. Klusczinski: Let the record show that Mr. Sassano recuses himself at this point. Motion to deny is made and seconded. Roll call please. Patrick: I vote to deny because it is contrary to the standards of the neighborhood and because windows are not deteriorated beyond repair. Klusczinski: Timothy Klusczinski, I vote to accept the motion to deny 2007-1107A for all of the reasons cited in 2008-0214. Chase: Mary Jane Chase, my reasons are the same from the previous C ofA. Riley: I vote to deny C ofA the same reasons. Metiever: For clarification, the Sassano vote is really an abstention. Moved: Chase Second: Riley To deny C of A 2007-1107A Approved Unanimously 4-0 Sassano Abstention. B. LANDMARKS — None. II. REGULAR BUSINESS A. - APPROVAL OF MINUTES January 28, 2008 Moved: Sassano Second: Riley Approved Unanimously B. TREASURER'S REPORT C. STAFF REPORTS 1. Correspondence One thank you note from a Montessori student that used the HPC library. 2. Director — Catherine Hostetler Distributed to Commission. ■ Memorandum discussed for presentation to County Commissioners regarding departmental funding sources. Memo includes information on the $25K grant from the City, the HPC vehicle, and legal counsel; all provided by the City. It is noted that the original agreement securing the $25K grant can not be located. Director Hostetler will double check with the County to see if they may have the originals. ■ Newsletter publication was reduced to 4 times, down to 3 times per year due to the impending postal increase. President Klusczinski suggested that more effort be made to collect email addresses to send newsletters electronically. ■ Survey books have been discussed at the last few meetings. Director' Hostetler would like to work with the auditor's office to establish a line item for the sale proceeds which would in turn fund future survey work. 16 860 This matter should go for a vote to ensure that funds are not lost into the 861 general fund. 862 Moved: Chase Second: ? - tape expired 863 To authorize creation of line item Approved Unanimously —4 to receive proceeds of sales of current U5 survey books, to be utilized by the HPC 866 for the purpose of funding future survey 867 works and other publications including a 868 preservation plan. 869 Fees for HPC services were raised to $15 per C of A whether staff 870 approved or presented to the Commission. 871 Moved: Riley Second: Chase 872 Raise fees to $15 Approved Unanimously 873 874 3. Assistant Director - Amy Herdman - Absent from meeting due to illness. 875 Distributed to Commission. 876 4. Legal Counsel - Larry Metiever 877 878 D. COMMITTEE REPORTS - 879 1. President's Report - Tim Klusczinski 880 Working on Advisory Board calls, and will continue to do so with the intent of 881 arranging a meeting in the near future. - 882 Historic Districts Committee met. 883 2. Committee Reports -Historic Districts - Lynn Patrick 884 HD committee met with existing liaisons, and new liaisons. Will be following up 885 on 3 names received. Will put something up to attempt to recruit at Restore 886 Michiana. 887 H H 8 III. OLD BUSINESS 9 IV. NEW BUSINESS 890 891 892 V. HEARING OF VISITORS 893 894 ADJOURNMENT 895 Moved: Riley Second: Patrick 896 Approved: Unanimously 897 Attest: 898 899 900 Jerry Ujdak, Date 901 Secretary, Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County 17 Location Budget as of 02-29-2008 Saint Joseph County Note: Includes transactions after the last posted date of 01-01-2008. Fund: 001 County General for 01/01/2008 thru 02/29/2008 Loc: 037 Historic Preservation Account Original Addt'UAdj Total Unencumbered Unexpended Object Description Appropriation Appropriation Appropriation Encumbrance Expenditure BalancelPercent Balance/Percent 11075 Deputy Director 30,000.00 0.00 30,000.00 0.00 4,615.40 25,384.60 25,384.60 000 General GovT. 84.62 84.62 11309 Historic Preservation Admin. 36,050.00 0.00 36,050.00 0.00 5,546.16 30,503.84 30,503.84 000 General GovT. 84.62 84.62 10000 Totals """"""""""""""":.....::.. 66,050.00 0.00 66,050.00 0.00 10,161.56 55,888.44 55,888.44 84.62 84.62 21030 Office Supplies 700.00 131.98 831.98 0.00 131.98 700.00 700.00 000 General GovT. 84.14 84.14 22010 Gas Oil & Lubricants 880.00 63.18 943.18 0.00 97.46 845.72 845.72 000 General GovT. 89.67 89.67 22120 Garage & Motor Supplies 700.00 0.00 700.00 0.00 93.89 606.11 606.11 000 General GovT. 86.59 86.59 20000 Totals """""""""""""""""""" 2,280.00 195.16 2,475.16 0.00 323.33 2,151.83 2,151.83 86.94 86.94 31070 Other Contractual Services 29,000.00 1,815.50 30,815.50 0.00 5,313.00 25,502.50 25,502.50 000 General GovT. 82.76 82.76 32020 Travel 500.00 0.00 500.00 0.00 0.00 500.00 500.00 000 General GovT. 100.00 100.00 32050 Instruction & Training 900.00 0.00 900.00 0.00 0.00 900.00 900.00 000 General GovT. 100.00 100.00 32053 Public Relations 1,570.00 190.00 1,760.00 0.00 279.12 1,480.88 1,480.88 000 General GovT. 84.14 84.14 32200 Telephone 160.00 0.00 160.00 0.00 0.00 160.00 160.00 000 General GovT. 100.00 100.00 32350 Postage 2,588.00 392.88 2,980.88 0.00 443.03 2,537.85 2,537.85 000 General GovT. 85.14 85.14 33010 Publication Of Legal Notices 300.00 0.00 300.00 0.00 39.99 260.01 260.01 000 General GovT. 86.67 86.67 User ID KSOBECKI 03/03/2008 04:02 PM Page 77 Location Budget as of 02-29-2008 Note: Includes transactions after the last posted date of 01-01-2008 Fund: 001 County General for 01/01/2008 thru 02/29/2008 Loc: 037 Historic Preservation Account Total Original Object Description Appropriation 33100 Printing 1,200.00 000 General GovT. Balance/Percent 37100 Auto Lease 300.00 000 General GovT. 6,655.80 39010 Dues & Subscription 300.00 000 General GovT. 98.93 39600 Refunds, Awards & Indemnities 0.00 000 General GovT. 300.00 39750 Data Processing 400.00 000 General GovT. 100.00 30000 Totals ,,••"""",,,,",'•,,"'•""„"„", 37,218.00 Location Totals ""*"""""""""""""""""" 105,548.00 Investment Accounts Transfer Accounts Saint Joseph County Addt'VAdj Total Unencumbered Unexpended Appropriation Appropriation Encumbrance Expenditure Balance/Percent Balance/Percent 5,528.00 6,728.00 5,528.00 72.20 1,127.80 6,655.80 16.76 98.93 0.00 300.00 0.00 0.00 300.00 300.00 100.00 100.00 0.00 300.00 0.00 0.00 300.00 300.00 100.00 100.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 2,097.12 (2,097.12) (2,097.12) 0.00 0.00 2,208.60 2,608.60 0.00 2,208.60 400.00 400.00 15.33 15.33 10,134.98 47,352.98 5,528.00 10,453.06 31,371.92 36,899.92 66.25 77.93 10,330.14 115,878.14 5,528.00 20,937.95 89,412.19 94,940.19 77.16 81.93 0.00 0.00 20,937.95 User ID KSOBECKI 03/03/2008 04:02 PM Page 78 User ID KSOBECKI 03✓03/2008 04:02 PM Page 77 i Location Budget as of 02-29-2008 Saint Joseph County Note: Includes transactions after the last posted date of 01-01-2008. Fund: 001 County General for 01/01/2008 thru 02/29/2008 Loc: 037 Historic Preservation Account Original Addt'UAdj Total Unencumbered Unexpended Object Description Appropriation Appropriation Appropriation Encumbrance Expenditure Balance/Percent Balance/Percent 11075 Deputy Director 30,000.00 0.00 30,000.00 0.00 4,615.40 25,384.60 25,384.60 000 General GovT. 84.62 84.62 11309 Historic Preservation Admin. 36,050.00 0.00 36,050.00 0.00 5,546.16 30,503.84 30,503.84 000 General GovT. 84.62 84.62 10000 Totals """""""""""""""""""" 66,050.00 0.00 66,050.00 0.00 10,161.56 55,888.44 55,888.44 84.62 84.62 21030 Office Supplies -700.00 131.98 831.98 0.00 131.98 700.00 700.00 000 General GovT. 84.14 84.14 22010 Gas Oil & Lubricants 880.00 63.18 943.18 0.00 97.46 845.72 845.72 000 General GovT. 89.67 89.67 22120 Garage & Motor Supplies 700.00 0.00 700.00 0.00 93.89 606.11 606.11 000 General GovT. 86.59 86.59 20000 Totals """""""""""""""""""" 2,280.00 195.16 2,475.16 0.00 323.33 2,151.83 2,151.83 86.94 86.94 31070 Other Contractual Services 29,000.00 1,815.50 30,815.50 0.00 5,313.00 25,502.50 25,502.50 000 General GovT. 82.76 82.76 32020 Travel 500.00 0.00 500.00 0.00 0.00 500.00 500.00 000 General GovT. 100.00 100.00 32050 Instruction & Training 900.00 0.00 900.00 0.00 0.00 900.00 900.00 000 General GovT. 100.00 100.00 32053 Public Relations 1,570.00 190.00 1,760.00 0.00 279.12 1,480.88 1,480.88 000 General GovT. 84.14 84.14 32200 Telephone 160.00 0.00 160.00 0.00 0.00 160.00 160.00 000 General GovT. 100.00 100.00 32350 Postage 2,588.00 392.88 2,980.88 0.00 443.03 2,537.85 2,537.85 000 General GovT. 85.14 85.14 33010 Publication Of Legal Notices 300.00 0.00 300.00 0.00 39.99 260.01 260.01 000 General GovT. 86.67 86.67 User ID KSOBECKI 03✓03/2008 04:02 PM Page 77 Location Budget as of 02-29-2008 Note: Includes transactions after the last posted date of 01-01-2008. Unencumbered Unexpended Expenditure Fund: 001 County General for 01/01/2008 thru 02/29/2008 Balance[Percent 72.20 1,127.80 6,655.80 Loc: 037 Historic Preservation 16.76 98.93 0.00 300.00 Account Original Addt'I/Adj Total 0.00 Object Description Appropriation Appropriation Appropriation Encumbrance 33100 Printing 1,200.00 5,528.00 6,728.00 5,528.00 000 General GOVT. 2,208.60 400.00 400.00 37100 Auto Lease 300.00 0.00 300.00 0.00 000 General GovT. 66.25 77.93 20,937.95 89,412.19 39010 Dues & Subscription 300.00 0.00 300.00 0.00 000 General GovT. 39600 Refunds, Awards & Indemnities 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 000 General GovT. 39750 Data Processing 400.00 2,208.60 2,608.60 0.00 000 General GovT. 30000 Totals ***'**"""""""..... ""*"' 37,218.00 10,134.98 47,352.98 5,528.00 Location Totals """""*""""""""""""*""' 105,548.00 10,330.14 115,878.14 5,528.00 Investment Accounts Transfer Accounts Saint Joseph County 0.00 20,937.95 User ID K$OBF-CKI 03/oam 04:02 PM Page 78 Unencumbered Unexpended Expenditure Balance/Percent Balance[Percent 72.20 1,127.80 6,655.80 16.76 98.93 0.00 300.00 300.00 100.00 100.00 0.00 300.00 300.00 100.00 100.00 2,097.12 (2,097.12) (2,097.12) 0.00 0.00 2,208.60 400.00 400.00 15.33 15.33 10,453.06 31,371.92 36,899.92 66.25 77.93 20,937.95 89,412.19 94,940.19 77.16 81.93 0.00 0.00 20,937.95 User ID K$OBF-CKI 03/oam 04:02 PM Page 78 Director's Report March, 2008 February27 Met with Randy Ray, Director of NICH concerning the National Register Nomination of the Sons of Israel Synagogue February 28 Met with Innkeepers of the W. Washington B&Bs concerning the idea of a 2009 Calendar to highlight the B&Bs and compliment the West Washington Street Pod Cast. Fulfilled Role as Secretary for the Botanical Society of South Bend's monthly membership meeting. February 29 Delivered Historic Landmark Plaque to Paula Elliott for the Ullery-Farnam House. Followed up with listing of contractors and additional information on die property March 3 Guest Speaker on Historic Preservation Commission and its work at Mishawka Rotary luncheon. Attended the Mayor's State of the City Address at the Football Hall of Fame. March 4 On sight visit with Kathleen Neal concerning the construction of a storage/garden shed atlocal landmark 1329 E Washington. Attended presentation of Holladay Corp's concept for East Bank Village at the Bendix Theatre in Century Center. March 8 Restore Michiana at St, Joseph High School March 10 Participated in Center for History Finance Committee meeting. Consulted with Phyllis Emmons, Director of Human Resources for St. Joseph County. March 11 Chaired Rotary Charitable Foundation Meeting at Indiana Trust. Attended County Commissioners meeting for appropriations of the 80/20 grant for Troyer's assessment of Landmarked Church at 101 S. Lafayette. March 12 Meeting with Debbie Grant and David Piser at the Jewish Federation for research on the Sons of Israel National Register Nomination. March 13 Participated in Board Meeting of Economics Club of Michiana. On -sight visit with Wayne for project at 805 Bronson in Edgewater Met with Chuck Simon at the Jewish Federation concerning the research for the Sons of Israel National Register Nomination. Attended the second meeting of the W. Washington Street's B&B owners that also included the owner of Innisfree concerning the calendar proposal. They would like to do the calendar and also include other organizations and businesses on W. Washington. March 14 Extensive on -sight interior and exterior tour/assessment with Wayne of Oliver Inn and the work needed for the flat roofs and other exterior repair work with owners Alice and Tim Erlandson. M2 -C2 -W071258-337 Leeper Park Odor Control Project Narrative.doc Milwaukee, Wisconsin ■ Indianapolis, Indiana HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION OF SOUTH BEND AND ST. JOSEPH COUNTY SBSJCHPC(@co.st-ioseDh.in.us . www.stioseohcountvindiana.com/sichn/index.html Mailing Address: Office Address: County -City Building 125 South Lafayette Blvd 227 West Jefferson South Bend, IN 46601 South Bend, IN 46601 Lynn Patrick, Vice President 510 River Avenue South Bend, IN 46601 251-0991 (home) 2454870 (work) 298-1973 (cell) IvnskaQu.aol.com Mary Jane Chase, Treasurer 1302 Chester South Bend, IN 46615 233-7977 (home) Chasemi 1012(@Yahoo.com Linda Riley 1326 E. Wayne Street North South Bend, IN 46615 234-1614 (home) LRilev4RSA0.aol.com David Sassano, Architectural Historian Gerald Ujdak, Secretary 1328 East Wayne South 59101 Bremen Highway South Bend, IN 46615 Mishawaka, IN 46544 237-1945 (home) 255-7850 (home) davidsassano@sbcglobal.net 210-7597 (cell) Todd Zeiger 61550 US 31 South South Bend, IN 46614-5050 299-8932 (home) 2324534 (work) 286-5765 (cell) tzei¢er(a.historiclandmarks.ore Timothy S. Klusczinski, President 617 Park Avenue South Bend, IN 46616 574 289-1917 tsk@myVine.com Catherine Hostetler, Director chostetl(aco.st-iosenh.in.us Amy Herdman , Assistant Director aherdman@co.st-joseph.in.us Wayne Doolittle, Inspector wdoolitt(7a.co.st iosenh.in.us 315-5680 (cell) COMMISSIONERS: APPOINTING BODIES AND TERMS EXPIRATION DATES DEMOCRATIC APPOINTEES: LYNN PATRICK --COMMON COUNCIL -12-31-2008 JERRY UJDAK—COUNTY COUNCIL ---7-31-2008 TIMOTHY S. KLUCZSINSKI—COUNTY COMMISSIONERS -12-03-2008 MARY JANE CHASE—MAYOR-5-12-2009 REPUBLICAN APPOINTEES TODD ZEIGER --- COMMON COUNCIL -41-28-2008 (serves until replaced or resigns) LINDA RILEY---COUNTY COUNCIL --7-31-2008 (Appointed 6/13/2006 to fill out Diane Wrobel-Illes' term) VACANT ---COUNTY COMMISSIONERS -01-02-2008 VACANT --- MAYOR -12-31-2007 DAVID SASSANO---HPC--- 12-21-2010 REV: 2/25/2008 3SUmtoric City Cemetery Yolu�zteer Tra' g Rim �TZ-Z 2005 DICKINSON COlV r ROOM ow N Lxjt:9Y DO kit JLN,x.4:>Vvw S$ 10 am After tx-s g, please plan to attend a wv,milk through c f City Cemetery. cBe sure to dress accordingly. Please plan to join us for this important training if you're planning on becoming part of the Corps! HCC Volunteer .zzz,yr (o colo bM(o too r ff4c,�a ie C �Y ozz 04( a'�y urell— giro may. oviotZ lova' zu , z,�9 ,9' oaCoido Cho Please call 235-9798 questions. - Assistant Director's Report HPC Meeting — 03/17/2008 ■ Continued work on West Washington Walks walking tour/podcast script. ■ Attended Code Hearings. ■ Attended Monroe Park neighbors meeting. ■ Recovered from bronchitis! ■ Took receipt of and reviewed Troyer report on People's Church building. ■ Attempted to schedule meeting with church officials to review Troyer report and move on with maintenance planning. ■ Met with Public Works and Sign Shop to design new HD signs. ■ Designed new City Cemetery signs for installation by April 5th. ■ Scheduled City Cemetery Volunteer Training program for April 5th. ■ Attended Common Council meeting to secure Preserve America proclamation. ■ Discovered City Cemetery Fund- contacting Chicora Foundation to request preparation of Preservation Plan. ■ Conducted 3rd Annual Restore Michiana. ■ Contacted County Councilpersons regarding Preserve America status, still awaiting follow up contact and appearance on their agenda. ■ Contacted Public Works regarding citizen complaint in West Northshore Historic District. ■ Restored Shared Files folder on HPC computers. ■ Shared RM information with HLFI HQ in Indy to assist in their planning for a similar program next month in Marion Co. SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MARCH 17, 2008 MEETING GUESTS: PLEASE SIGN THIS LIST SO THAT, YOUR PRESENCE CAN BE NOTED FOR OUR, MINUTES Print Name Address `r t't �1 elf � ✓1 a /�-Ch ��1GL ��t Na,�L�FS Z�U I �QrL n(2a i z] S'3 r1 /-3 l2i v vsi Y; Signature �Q � MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION OF SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY March 17, 2008 - DRAFT 13th Floor Conference Room County — City Building, South Bend, Indiana Members Present: Timothy Klusczinski, Mary Jane Chase, Lynn Patrick (late arrival), Linda Riley, David Sassano (late arrival), Todd Zeiger Members Absent: Jerry Ujdak Staff Present: Catherine Hostetler, Amy Herdman, Larry Metiever Also Present: Mark, Kathleen and Sarah Neal, Carl Littrell, Pat Carnahan, Al Greek (sp?) CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL: President Tim Klusczinski called to order at 7:08 pm. Quorum was not established when meeting was called to order. 7:20 pm: Quorum established upon arrival of Commissioner Sassano; 7:22 pm: Vice President Patrick arrives. I. PUBLIC HEARING Application Number: 2008-0304 Property Location: 1329 East Washington Street Property Owner: Kathleen and Mark Neal Landmark or District Designation: Local Landmark Rating: Outstanding STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: This Tudor Revival home was designed by the firm of Austin and Shambleau for Joseph Maxwell Stephenson in 1923. He lived there until his death in 1946. The house was then sold to Eugene O' Brien, Vice President of the O'Brien Varnish Company. The home was landmarked on October 25, 1982. APPLICATION ITEMS: Replace previously existing garden shed along rear of property (Exhibit A.) Structure designed to mirror Tudor style and colors of house. See attached specifications and drawings of customized shed (Exhibit B). Outer Spaces, Inc. of Granger, Contractor (Exhibit D). LANDMARK STANDARDS, GROUP B: Building Site and Landscaping 1. Required: Major landscaping items, trees, fencing, walkways, private yard lights, signs (house numbers) and benches which reflect the property's history and development shall be retained. Dominant land contours shall be retained. Structures such as: gazebos, patio decks, fixed barbecue pits, swimming pools, tennis courts, greenhouses, new alls, fountains, fixed garden furniture, trellises and other similar structures shall be compatible to the historic character of the site and neighborhood and inconspicuous when viewed from a public way. 2. Recommended: New site work should be based upon actual knowledge of the past appearance of the property found in photographs, drawings and newspapers. Plant materials and trees in closed proximity to the building that are causing deterioration to the buildings historic fabric should be removed. However, trees and plant materials that must be removed should be immediately replaced by suitable flora. Front yard areas should not be fences except in cases where historic documentation would indicate such fencing appropriate. Fencing should be in character with the building style, materials and scale. RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends approval. The construction of the new shed is in the approximate foot print of previous garden shed (Exhibit C). Since there is no documentation of what the previous garden shed looked like, the staff finds the current design appropriate since it mirrors some of the architectural features of the house, i.e., wider trim pieces and framing around the double doors, wider corner boards (Exhibit B). Since this structure will be located at the rear of the property along a vacated alleyway and situated in the mature landscaping it should not be noticeable from the street. Sassano: May I ask for a point of order since it takes S to have a quorum? I'm friends with the petitioners, is it typical, how do we deal with that here? Do we recuse ourselves? Klusczinski: Well, the other thing that we should note is that Lynn Patrick has arrived. So we have a quorum. Sassano: Even though I have no interest, I have no real knowledge of it, but I am good friends with them—how do we, is it typical to recuse ourselves? Metiever: In this situation, ifyou have any type offinancial interest, then you would certainly want to recuse yourself. If you believe that you have a bias that would override your reasonable consideration then you should recuse yourself, but if you're merely acquainted with... Sassano: I'm more concerned about appearances really. Ok, I'm good. Klusczinski: If the petitioners could come up here by this chair, we have to pick everything upon the microphone. You're allowed to make a brief presentation and please state your name and address for the record. M Neal: Mark and Kathleen Neal. I think that Mrs. Hostetler adequately explained what we've proposed for our building shed. Putting it in the back of the property amongst the trees that are already there. It won't be visible from the street and we're looking to match the design of the house; color, style and pitch of the roof. We expect that it will be well incorporated into the rest of the property. Klusczinski: Anything to add? K Neal: After a winter like this, it would be really nice to fit a car in our three car garage which is presently full ofgarden equipment, bikes, scooters, basketballs and things, so ... we've done everything that I think that we could to try to make it fit in. Klusczinski: If there are no other comments then the Chair recognizes questions for the petitioner or staff. Hearing none. Any Commission discussion? Riley: Looks like a nice plan. Klusczinski: Very good. Chair opens public hearing portion. Any member of the public wishing to speak in support of the current petition? Hearing none, seeing none. Any member of the public wishing to speak in opposition of the current petition? Also hearing and seeing none, Chair closes the public hearing portion. Any other comments before we close? Alright, Chair entertains a motion. Patrick: I'd like to make a motion to approve application 2008-0304. Riley: Second. Klusczinski: Motion has been made and seconded, any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor? (Ayes are heard) Opposed? (Silence) Motion carries unanimously on CofA 2008-0304. Moved: Patrick Second: Riley To approve 2008-0304 Approved 6 — 0 unanimously Application Number: 2008-0306 Property Location: Leeper Park West Property Owner: City of South Bend Landmark/District Designation: Landscape Landmark and National Register STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCEMISTORIC CONTEXT: Leeper Park is a designed landscape located north of the downtown commercial district of the city. The park was designed by renowned landscape designer George Kessler in 1912. According to the text of National Register nomination the Kessler era ranged from 1912-1923; 1924-1940: implementation of the Kessler plan including additions through WPA era improvements. The Kessler Plan also guided the development of active recreation facilities for Leeper Park. In 1915 tennis courts, baseball and football fields and a playground were developed in the western section of the Park. A 1500 foot toboggan run was also a feature of this portion of the park. Leeper Park was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 2000 2 107 APPLICATION ITEMS: Install blower piping (Exhibits) and underground odor control bed to treat 108 sewer gas. Plant surface odor control bed as flower garden (Exhibit). See also accompanying memorandum 109 from SYMBIONT. If the new system is not effective then the grass will be restored. 110 1 LEEPER PARK STANDARDS AND CRITERIA: 9.2 Spatial Organization 2.... All views, vistas, 112 landscape spaces located north and east and west of a line designated as the northern fence of the tennis 113 courts located in the western section of Leeper Park shall also be preserved. 9.4 Vegetation (includes Trees, 114 Shrubs, Ground Covers, Hedges, Allees, Fields, Forests, Planting Beds, etc.) 3. Alteration of existing or 115 addition of new vegetation materials and features will be considered if they do not alter the basic concept of 116 the historic landscape design. 117 118 RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends approval of this project. The proposed location of the 119 flower bed is in the same general area as the shrubs and flower bed in the 1938 documentation of Leeper 120 Park West. (Exhibit). None of the odor abatement system will be above ground in the Park and will be 121 underneath the flower bed planted with shallow rooted annuals. The more noticeable change will be on the 122 River Crossing Head works for the sewer which will have a 4'x5'x5' foot blower installation on top of it, 123 but some of the current piping will be eliminated from the head works. 124 Klusczinski: Is the petitioner present? 125 Littrell: I'm here with Pat Greek and Al Carnahan. 126 Klusczinski: Could you please state your name for the record? 127 Littrell: Carl Littrell, City Engineer. We're here to try to solve a problem that the city has 128 with odors in Leeper Park. We didn't choose that site at random as a place to solve odors, 129 the odors are there, and we're tying to take care of them. We have several large sewers 130 that come together there and create a lot of turbulence in the man hole where they meet 131 and then they're funneled into three pipes that cross the river at that point. All of that 132 turbulence puts odor into the air. We have a facility there now, you can see some of the 133 gizmos on top (referring to photographs) the concrete foundation behind the fence intended 134 to blow air through a canister of activated charcoal. It doesn't work very well and it's very "5 expensive to keep replacing the charcoal. We'd like to do something better and we think C6 that using a biological treatment to treat the air will work better and be less expensive to 137 operate, and be less intrusive to the park, visually, as well. An added amenity with some 138 plantings, seasonal color and variety. We chose the location of the flower bed in that it's 139 away from other plants we stand less chance of disturbing roots of large trees at that 140 position and we need to get away from the riverbank to avoid times like we have now where 141 the bed would be flooded. The treatment is to blow air from the head works facility and 142 through an 18 in diameter pipe underneath the street and then it would then be diffused 143 underneath the bed with a mulch on top. As the foul air rises and is blown through that 144 mulch then the biology takes place to clean the air. After a while, the acids and by 145 products of that treatment will use up, if you will, that mulch and it will have to be changed 146 out. Every three to five years depending on the appearance of the materials we would have 147 a landscaper come in and change that out. We'd inspect the pipes and do whatever repairs 148 might be called for and then replant. We spoke with the Parks Board and they're receptive 149 to this facility, of course dependent upon getting a Certificate of Appropriateness, and they 150 have agreed to negotiate with us a price for their maintenance of the plantings so that it's 151 done properly and it's done well. 152 Sassano: So the plants are just visual? 153 Littrell: The plants are just visual; they're not part of the treatment. 154 Klusczinski: Is this the first opportunity that you've had to try that solution 2 155 Littrell: This is the first time that we've had it in South Bend. Pat Carnahan, with 156 Symbiont, is our Consulting Engineer and he can tell you something about another facility 157 that's photographed here. 158 Carnahan: I could show an illustration here; this is commonly used at waste water ;—.9 treatment plants. The collection system below the pipes that lead to it is represented —�0 behind this retaining wall, but the same concept is there. R just doesn't show the flowers 3 on top. You have the same distribution of piping that blows the air through a base of actually stone and above that is 3-4 feet of mulch material and then 6-9 inches of topsoil, and thus the short, shallow rooted plants. Same concept though, it essentially goes through the 3-5 year timeframe. Sassano: So what's visible is top soil? Carnahan: Correct. Top soil and whatever annuals they use. You have to realize that every 3-5 years it will have to be replaced. Sassano: But it's not like what you see is all going to turn black... because that's all. happening below... ? Carnahan: Correct. That layer is... Sassano: So you don't have kids running around and playing on top of stuff that's been collecting all of this.... Carnahan: No, it's all below. Littrell: This is a busy part of the park. People come by to watch tennis and sliding in the winter, so... Sassano: Is there just like a man hole... is there any kind of access to it? Carnahan: No. A pipe will come underground to it so it will be down 4-5 below, come across the road and underneath. It's like a buried pit irrigation system, it will be deeper than that, but you can think of it that way. Sassano: So the average person would have no idea what's underneath there? Carnahan: No, that's the beauty of it. Littrell: And the air is gently forced through there, it's not blown as though you're depending on the weight of things to hold it down. Klusczinski: The Chair recognizes Commissioner Riley. Riley: Two questions- ifyou're just blowing air gently through there, there shouldn't be any breakdowns of equipment or problems that you'd have to tear it up to repair it. Carnahan: No, there aren't- you won't have any moving parts or the need for access to the piping. The access would be up here, and as Carl said this is all being removed and you'd have a blower on to, essentially similar to what's there so any maintenance or access would be on top of the structure. Riley: Well that was my next question, the two pictures underneath that, will all of that equipment be visible or begone? Carnahan: All of that will be gone; however there will still be a blower on top to pull the air off. On top of the piping because it all collects in this structure. So you would, these tanks, all this piping would be removed, and this blower would be replaced with a different blower. Riley: So it would just be a small unit.... Carnahan: Depends on your definition of small. Klusczinski: Is it a quiet unit? Carnahan: It's similar to the sound that's coming off of here now, it's not a high pressure blower. It's more like a fan. I went by it today, and it's really not much different than what's there now. Klusczinski:.[ had an additional question and I don't know if this is for Pat or Carl, but the graph paper sketch shows tree plantings but I don't see any evidence of those in the garden illustration. Do you intend to put trees there, or...? Littrell: That's the existing trees; we're keeping the flower bed out from the drip so that we don't have root intrusion from those trees. Chase: So presently it's been exhausted through the structure in those pictures? Carnahan: Correct, it's being pushed through here and they're using an active chemical reaction as opposed to a biological reaction. Chase: Putting the new sewer system is that going to help or not change anything with the odors. Littrell: It potentially has the possibility of making it worse. We're taking storm water little by little out of the system which tends to dilute it. 4 Conversation temporarily interrupted at end of tape. Littrell: Unfortunately, the trouble with a siphon is that you have to have an air brake and the waste crosses the river at the siphon, so it has to be open to the air there. So, we're capturing that turbulent air there and trying to scrub it through. Riley: So is the odor going to be less than it is now? Littrell: Much less, hopefully. You won't notice it. Might be a little musty like a typical mulch odor you'd notice after you'd been working in it a little bit anyway. When you first encounter it, you'll recognize it. Klusczinski: Other questions? Patrick: One, well just a couple of quickies. Is Symbiont the developer of this technology? Carnahan: No. Patrick: How long has this technology been extent? Carnahan: It's been utilized, to my understanding for that last 15-20 years. Patrick: Is it just plain old mulch or is there an amendment added to the mulch? Carnahan: Plain mulch. Which can be drawn from the city's inventory, which has it's advantages. Patrick: Great. That's all I've got. Sassano: Does it produce heat? Carnahan: Not an appreciable amount. Littrell: Not enough to use. Sassano: You know, this doesn't address the duckpond. Riley: Too bad this didn't come in sooner, it looks very nice. Chase: So there's no particular kind of mulch that you have to have, just whatever is available? Carnahan: What the city has will be sufficient. Littrell: It's not the mulch that's so important, it's the organisms that grow in it. Those things like a different menu than we'd like. Those gases coming through there are appealing to them. Riley: Essentially it should cost you less to run this? Littrell: Oh yes, and hopefully the Parks Department won't hold us up too badly for the few posies that we're putting in from the greenhouse. Chase: Good solution to a problem. Klusczinski: Any other questions? Chair opens up Commission discussion. Also hearing none, Chair opens the public hearing portion. Any member of the public wishing to speak on behalf of the petition? Hearing and seeing none. Any member of the public wishing to speak against the current petition? Also hearing and seeing none, public hearing is closed. Any final comments sir? Littrell: Just thank you for your consideration and thanks to your staff for taking the time right at the deadline to get this on the agenda. Klusczinski: Commissioners, if anyone has any more to say, say it now or the Chair would entertain a motion. Patrick: I'll make a motion that we approve application 2008-0306. Riley: Second. Klusczinski: Motion has been made and seconded any discussion? Hearing none, all in favor? (ayes are heard) Oppposed? (silence) Motion carries unanimously. Moved: Patrick Second: Riley To approve 2008-0306 Approved 6 — 0 unanimously B. LANDMARKS — None. II. REGULAR BUSINESS A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES February 25, 2008 Moved: Patrick Second: Riley Approved 6 — 0 Unanimously 5 B. TREASURER'S REPORT i. Received as presented. Per Treasurer Chase, any questions should be addressed to Director Hostetler. C. STAFF REPORTS 1. Correspondence 2. Director — Catherine Hostetler Distributed to Commission. 3. Assistant Director — Amy Herdman Distributed to Commission, with flyer for upcoming City Cemetery volunteer training April 5, 2008. 4. Legal Counsel — Larry Metiever No report. D. COMMITTEE REPORTS 1. President's Report — Tim Klusczinski President Klusczinski praised the recent HPC/HLFI event Restore Michiana. He found the event to be well done and well received and noted that support and attendance seemed on par with previous years. It was reported that other communities throughout Indiana, with the assistance of HLFI, will be replicating this program in the coming months. Photographs taken at the event have been distributed for inclusion in future publications. President Klusczinski wished to especially commend Wayne Doolittle and David Sassano for pinch hitting on the otherwise cancelled Masonry Basics class- great job gentlemen! 2. Committee Reports —Advisory Board — Tim Klusczinski Advisory Board is coming together, and there will be an announcement of a meeting very soon. Vice President Patrick will also attend. III. OLD BUSINESS IV. NEW BUSINESS Director Hostetler requested that the Commission consider appointing an Assistant Secretary to assist in official secretarial duties; i.e. signing HPC minutes, etc. Moved: Sassano Second: Chase To charge the Asst. Secretary Approved 6 — 0 unanimously with the identical duties charged to Secretary. Moved: Sassano Second: Patrick To appoint Linda Riley as Approved 6 — 0 unanimously Assistant Secretary V. HEARING OF VISITORS No one present asked to be recognized. ADJOURNMENT 7:51 pm Second: Riley Approved: 6-0 Unanimously Secretary, Historic Pre sion of South Bend & St. Joseph County � 08 Da