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_ - - - - GpMMI551pryErys 4SOU1'H! AGENDA OF THE OCTOBER 15, 2007. fir+ p skAC b// COMMISSION MEETING , 1865 Regular Meeting THIRTEETH FLOOR- ROOM 1308 County -City Building MONDAY, OCTOBER 15, 2007 7:OOPM I: CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL II. PUBLIC HEARING ' A. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS Z 1. 1212 E. Jefferson COA 2007-0912A C) 2. 1212 E. Jefferson COA 2007-0912B H 3. 1212 E. Jefferson COA 2007-1004A 4. 1212 E. Jefferson COA 2007-1004B 5. Local Landmark 101 S. Lafayette/302 W. Washington B. LANDMARK O C. NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION �i III. REGULAR BUSINESS A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES H September 17, 2007 B. TREASURER'S REPORT Location Report C. STAFF REPORTS 1. Correspondence 2. C of A Approvals 3. Directors Report 4. Assistant Director Report 5. Legal Counsel D. COMMITTEE REPORTS: 1. President's Report 2. Landmarks . M~ IV. OLD BUSINESS V. NEW BUSINESS VI. HEARING OF VISITORS AND ADJOURNMENT SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION OCTOBER 15, 2007 MEETING GUESTS: PLEASE SIGN THIS LIST SO THAT YOUR PRESENCE CAN BE NOTED FOR OUR MINUTES Print Name Address .z2lv,,GGi. aEG /-. 6o, 4A ao 3 6- 6/, t le '�`64 i Q ;, STAFF REPORT CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS Date: October 5, 2007 Application Number: 2007-0912A Property Location: 1212 E. Jefferson Property Owner: Terri and John Califano Landmark or District Designation: E. Wayne Street LHD Rating: Non Contributing STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT ' : This split level ranch was built between 1958 and 1960 by Hazel and Merle Rusk. Mr. Rusk was a salesman with Ben Fefferman APPLICATION ITEMS: 9'X18' Wood deck at rear of house per attached site plan. EAST WAYNE STREET STANDARDS: I The Environment, B. Building site, Landscaping and Accessories. Required: major landscaping items, fencing, walkways, private yard lights, signs (house numbers) and benches which reflect the property's history and development shall be retained. Dominant land contours shall be retained. Structures such as gazebos, patio decks, fixed barbecue pits, swimming pools, tennis courts, greenhouses, new walls, fountains, fixed garden furniture, trellises and other similar structures shall be compatible to the historic character of the site and the neighborhood and inconspicuous when viewed from a public walkway. RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends approval as the deck will not be visible from the street and will be compatible with the house. 4 b c# ms's £',:a:id Sarxrit'6eq�th¢r` Welcome, Terri! (Not Ter, O) ATIMM f ; tt MY STOPE MISHAWAKA, IND. (Change) More Store Locations Lair m f)rlivt y CART (106) items Review/Billing Please review your order. If you would like to update any information, please click the "Edit" button. After reviewing your order, please enter your credit card information as it appears on your card. Your billing address must match your credit card billing address. For your security, we will not save your credit card information. When finished, click "Place My Order" to submit. Review Your Order c 11. qj phi� 2X6X16 TOP CHOICE TREATED Item #90297 4X4X8 .40 TOP CHOICE TREATED Item #201596 {(4X16 #2.40 TREATED I m 2690 2X4X16 TOP CHOICE TREATED Item #79670 2X6X$ TOP CHOICE TREATED Item #30906 4X4X6 #2.40 TREATED Item #121 5/4X6X12 STANDARD TREATED Item #21712 5/4X6X16 STANDARD TREATED Item #86573 Severe Weather@ 2" x 2" x 42" Pressure Treated Mitered Baluster Item #7951 Model #7951 Deliver to: 'rerri Califano 1212 E. Jefferson South Bend, IN 46601 (574) 288-8866 Promotional Code Actiu:fte'ort+� (What is a Promotional Code?) Order Total: $492,2( 4 $8.69 8 $69.52 $4.97 1 $4.97 $17.95 3 $53.85 $5.76 2 $4.15 11 $45.65 $5.97 2 $1.1.94 $5.92 1 $5.92 $9.22 17 $156.74 $0.89 61 $54.25 Product Subtotal: $414.4C Delivery(Ground): $50,OC Tax: 527.8E Total: $492.26 Product Subtotal: $414.4( Store Delivery: $50.0( Tax: $27.8( Total: $492.2( Order Total: $492,2( Dig Lowes Deck Design For Terri Print this document and take it to your local Lowe's. One of our associates will help you find the materials you need. All rights reserved copyright 02007 DIY Technologies Ur .' PIONY Vol, t y" s :..iffiKaata�tsnx-tt Deck layout diagram Top view without planks Bottom view with planks Top view with planks All rights reserved copyright 02007 MY Technologies Page 2 lbs-@fii and P1 s Tread Riser Baluster Beam Decking Joist Ledger Concrete Pier Post Riser Stringer Tread Bottom Rail Top Rail Cap Rail Rail Post Deck Part Identification Top Rail Rail Post Stringer Bottom Rail Concrete Pier The vertical pieces of a railing spaced at regular intervals between posts. A horizontal framing piece, which rests on posts and supports Joists. The boards used to make the walking surface of the deck A horizontal frame piece that supports the decking and spreads the weight over the beams A horizontal strip that connects the deck to the house. A vertical piece of concrete, used as a footing to support a post. A vertical framing piece, used to support a beam or a Joist. The board attached to the vertlecal cut surface of a stair stringer. The diagonal board used to support treads and risers on a stairway. The horizontal surface of a stair, perpendicular to the riser. The lower horizontal piece that connects rail posts The upper horizontal piece that connects rail posts The top horizontal trim on railing. The vertical posts connected to the deck framing, to which railing is secured. All rights reserved copyright 02007 D1Y Technologies Page 3 Decking Joist �. Post„"A:r. *c's • ✓ • V+ �t',° .. �' vi `° y � °ur,:�.zrs,�^' t� sy Stringer Bottom Rail Concrete Pier The vertical pieces of a railing spaced at regular intervals between posts. A horizontal framing piece, which rests on posts and supports Joists. The boards used to make the walking surface of the deck A horizontal frame piece that supports the decking and spreads the weight over the beams A horizontal strip that connects the deck to the house. A vertical piece of concrete, used as a footing to support a post. A vertical framing piece, used to support a beam or a Joist. The board attached to the vertlecal cut surface of a stair stringer. The diagonal board used to support treads and risers on a stairway. The horizontal surface of a stair, perpendicular to the riser. The lower horizontal piece that connects rail posts The upper horizontal piece that connects rail posts The top horizontal trim on railing. The vertical posts connected to the deck framing, to which railing is secured. All rights reserved copyright 02007 D1Y Technologies Page 3 Beam �. Post„"A:r. Stringer Bottom Rail Concrete Pier The vertical pieces of a railing spaced at regular intervals between posts. A horizontal framing piece, which rests on posts and supports Joists. The boards used to make the walking surface of the deck A horizontal frame piece that supports the decking and spreads the weight over the beams A horizontal strip that connects the deck to the house. A vertical piece of concrete, used as a footing to support a post. A vertical framing piece, used to support a beam or a Joist. The board attached to the vertlecal cut surface of a stair stringer. The diagonal board used to support treads and risers on a stairway. The horizontal surface of a stair, perpendicular to the riser. The lower horizontal piece that connects rail posts The upper horizontal piece that connects rail posts The top horizontal trim on railing. The vertical posts connected to the deck framing, to which railing is secured. All rights reserved copyright 02007 D1Y Technologies Page 3 Below are the Specifications And Materials I that you have selected for your deck. Overview Number of Levels: I I Total Square Feet: 128 IComponent Size ]Joists 2 x 6 1 Beams 2 x 6 Posts 4 x 4 Decking 5/4 x 6 Railinci Bench Lattice FootibrDepth 1300 Footer Depth: 3W Live Load: 67 psf Dead Load: 10 psf Wood Tvpe Tor) Choice Treated Top Choice Treated Top Choice Treated Pressure Treated Standard Deckinq IPressure Treated Railinq None None Live Load 167 psf Dead Load !i 10 psf PJI rights reserved copyright 02OC-7 DIY Technologies Page 7 `IMM And n Yo Item Numbers May Vary By Location Some Items Nlay Not Be Available In All Locations Material List Item Number Quantitv 124665 8 14643 2 152416 1 2690 3 101681 1 129153 1 17951 61 `) 124661 11 15665 117 1121 12 15663 11 r...r�t Item Number Quantitv Unit 2411 8 1 110385 11 80 170664 18 1 169262 11 5 163449 1.64 11 167357 32 1 167342 32 1 114328 28 11 169138 6 11 168408 1 11 121993 8 �1 195991 114 1 1124475 11 5 12235 14 1 11411 12 1 149117 1 1 111347 28 11 141196 3 11 141706 5 1 167353 56 1 169264 11 5 Lumber Materials Description - 2X6X16 TOP CHOICE STRUCT HF ACO 3 -STEP STRINGER #1 WATER REPELENT 4X4X8 TOP CHOICE TREATED TIMBER 4X4X16 #2.40 ACQ TREATED 12X4X14 TOP CHOICE DECKING HF ACQ 12X4X16 TOP CHOICE DECKING HF ACQ I2X2X42" BALUSTER ANGLE BOTH END �2X6X8 TOP CHOICE STRUCT HF ACQ 514/6X16.40 STDPT DKG WTR REPE 14X4X6 #2.40 ACQ TREATED 1514X6X12.40 STDPT DKG WTR REPE Other Materials Description 4X4 2 -SIDE POST ANCHOR TZ (14354) CONCRETE MIX 80# QUIKRETE 112"X6 HDG ANCHOR BOLT WASHER/NUT NAIL COMMON GALV 5 LB 10 D GALV ROUND WASHER 112" GALV CARRIAGE BOLT 1/2 X 8 GALV 1/2 HEX NUT XTENDED RAFTER TIE RT -15 NAIL COMMON GALV 1LB IID JOIST HGR.NAIL 1 LB 1-1/2"NA111CD HURR ANCHOR, 6.5X1.5TZ DBL PLATE TIE LUS26Z IMAX 2X6 JOIST HANGER 15LB N10D HOT -DIP GALVINIZED NAIL �FIELD ADJ FR ANGLE 4-5/8TZ LSU26-R 2X6 SLOPE/SKEW HANGER 1.20GL WATERGUARD OLYMPIC (85917) 4X4 DECK POST TIE TZ (14360) 3/8" HEX NUT GALVANIZED (25) PP 13/8" FLAT WASHER GALV (25) PP (GALV CARRIAGE BOLT 3/8 X 8 (NAIL COMMON GALV 5 LB 16 D All rights reserved copyright 02007 DIY Technologies Page 8 re Ey, 1 s -r 1 N.4 &A, N - Li N 1e- �EPLA-c� �i�'rt S' �2��Rey t ENCS i-i-ouSC E, loo c.� 4, U� `f 1 f "" `ry .a r' lyW.id'g, � '�'�W�:: ' Illi q ,.;«.m.'. ,,, c " ::•i3F:4••,` g, k3: p.��. 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Lafayette Blvd., South Bend, Indiana 46001 ltlailin; Address: Coun City Building Sautlt 13EL, ,Indiana �IiCiC}1 Phone -5 -74 -?-35-9798 • Fax: 574-135-937((8 • Email: SFISJC11PCc co.st-jo-�--pli.in.us Website:litt}YJ/W'VV.stinGephcoLttltyinclieinxl.comjsjchp/i.tidex.httiiI OFFICE, USE ONLY »»» DO NUT COA•IPLETE ANT ElstMES C(7 4 MINED IN THIS BOX >>>>>> OFFICE USE ONLY Date Received_ bl'J 't ,100 % Application Number c 2 ,00 % - 4 914 A Past Reviews: C] YES (2?,ueofl,z=t Staff Approval authorized by: R NO Title: Historic Commission Review Date: 1�3"dE o) d OC? 7 Local Landmark Olocai Historic District ('lame) LJ National Landinarlc F-� National Register District (Fame) Certificate or Appropriateness: iI Denied n Tabled ❑ Sent To Committee []'Approved Lind Issued Address of Property for proposed work: Narne of Property Owner(s): (Pk -.,5r Print) Address of Property Owner(s): Contractor(s) Name: Contract Company Name: Contractor Address: City: S! reel :' umberand Ctreel 2�fc7tt:i'(` WW1._. .... _.._ a._.. �_t� j } (-) x t FLS. i Y- 4�y, r- . Phone.: Current Use of Building- es-, (- "'u (Sitgle Family- iiu i -Family- C:cmmarrial - Gnxriti eI}ml _ da,;lfiat - Vacant -Or.) 'Type of Building Construction: (VV'Ood Franc - firkk - S"eme - Stee2 - Ccncr.tr - 0t1;•r; Proposed Work: ❑ In-kind E]Landscape, [ZNew R Replacement (iict i,r-ki;;:i) R Demolition (inor,• t1,m 41nie taxa iwy 1v chrkrxi) r Description of Proposed Work- Owner/Contractor: ork + OwneriContractor: Fax: �'it 4 - �-`t �d - (e �-"t a -snail +e'A -amt, Ir.�awith h. {! o€rs;r a=.22 ct'rrKF� r:d << .r� m: .h� One d; si,;�r;3z) and/or ' � � �` l;�'x •i . ��� .t, �> - APPLICATION REQUIRErI. EN7.S ARE LISTED ON REVERSIo- SIDE — STAFF REPORT CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS Date: October 5, 2007 Application Number: 2007-0912B Property Location: 1212 E. Jefferson Property Owner: Terri and John Califano Landmark or District Designation: E. Wayne Street LHD Rating: Non Contributing STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT,: This split level ranch was built between 1958 and 1960 by Hazel and Merle Rusk. Mr. Rusk was a salesman with Ben Fefferman APPLICATION ITEMS : 16 x 32 In -ground pool with concrete floor, steel walls and vinyl liner EAST WAYNE STREET STANDARDS: I The Environment, B. Building site, Landscaping and Accessories. Required: major landscaping items, fencing, walkways, private yard lights, signs (house numbers) and benches which reflect the property's history and development shall be retained. Dominant land contours shall be retained. Structures such as gazebos, patio decks, fixed barbecue pits, swimming pools, tennis courts, greenhouses, new walls, fountains, fixed garden furniture, trellises and other similar structures shall be compatible to the historic character of the site and the neighborhood and inconspicuous when viewed from a public walkway. RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends approval as the pool will not be visible from the street and will be compatible with the era of the house when in -ground pools were in vogue. ..�, j, .. .;J'h.�,n.�.Y.�i'yyy Y'+E'� s;3'ro. `.'•g}�+�hh�e''�n ''$�, Aluttrk" # ayne'I'trols shim ..' Pool t hers=- Pcs�l: �S': .." 0t r a 0F ... THE ... HIGHEST ... QUALITY WHEN YOU DESIRE EXCELLENCE IN A STEEL POOL, STERLING IS THE GENUINE LEADER. CREATING OVEN A#ft REC ROOMS - 6930 Ge Fort Wa =�Irrgraur�I Poats ` `� `�act�rivr �o�lina OUR STERLING POOLS HAVE BEEN ENGINEERED TO REMAIN THE BEST STEEL POOL ON THE MARKET. The Strength of a Steel Pool Factory engineered, the Sterling wall panel is made of corrosion -resistant steel and its strength is unparalleled. Since we first started manufacturing steel wall panels in the early 1980's, Sterling has been the industry's best steel pool. In fact, we're so confident of its strength, we encourage you to compare us to other steel wall panel manufacturers. Fort Wayne Pools, the largest Supplier of Steel Pools Today In the early 1980's we began manufacturing steel pool wall components. And the rest is history. We started with innovative manufacturing techniques and added our attention to quality and excellence to develop the highest quality steel wall pool on the market. Today Fort Wayne Pools is the largest manufacturer of inground vinyl liner swimming pool components in the nation. Fort Wayne Pools has been manufacturing inground swimming pool components for over 35 years. Innovation and product excellence have gained for us a reputation that is second to none. Add our liners, coping, steps, and safety cover and you have a pool with a 100% Fort Wayne Pool manufactured goods; the best there is. Sterling Pools of the Highest Quality The Sterling Pool is the strongest steel pool available on the market today: �• The reinforced galvanized steel walls provide superior strength. • Sterling deck support braces give extra support to decking. • Our turnbuckle A -frame braces give solid support to pool walls. Find information about, Leading Edge TM automatic pool cover system. Also, explore the choices you have with the Sterii,ng..poai .shapes.. The Sterling Pool@ Lifetime Limited Warranty One -Time Transferable to Second Owner Fort Wayne Pools, warrants that its steel panels will be free from defects in workmanship for as long as they owned by the original retail purchaser, or a registered second owner. This means that if you should sell r home, you can transfer your pool wall warranty to the buyer. This gives buyers peace of mind and makes your home a more attractive purchase. This warranty information represents a brief synopsis of the full warranty for the product described. For complete warranty information, contact your Fort Wayne Pools dealer for a full printed version. NOTICE: Fort Wayne Pools, has been a manufacturer of swimming pool components for over 35 years. We stand behind every product we produce pursuant to those representations which are stated in our full written warranty. Your dealer/builder is an independent business person and not an agent or employee of Fort Wayne Pools. We cannot and do not accept any responsibility for any representations, statements or contracts made, or any work or negligence by any dealer/builder/contractor. Sterling ,F99l,VVarrpM 0 Qn.Card ft91 0 tarAITING OP" M# a" *00*Sft (260) 432-8731 (260) 436-2375 @Reg. TM Fort Wayne Pools @2007 Fort Wayne Pools iiiiiiiing Pools Is a registered trademark of Fort Wayne Pools@ 441-0 1io�.#arh+rs at Fort Wayne Pools is proud to be a member of The Association of Pool and Spa Professionals. 'A� -P6615".—Exterlor-4coordin webmaster@fwpools.com with questions or comments about this web site. Copyright 0 2007 Fort Wayne Pools Last modified: February, 2007 r 16' 6"x3 2' 6 "x8' Area: 500 Sq. Ft. Gallons 21.,226 l a lZrillilSi CRYSTAL CLEAR POOLS, INC. iddMbd" PROPOSAL SUBMITTED TO STREET 1 j 1O E CTTY STATE AND ziP_ CODE C)� (_}i , & 60 1 ARCHITECT /K`Jtf I DATE OF PLANS We hereby submit specifications and estimates for. TypeConstruction ...................................... Pool Size & Shape..........................,�.ttiv,lfan u Hard Bottom & Bond Beam ......................... yts LinerGauge ................................................. i VVII MainDrain ................................................... ` et Skimmer...................................................... es Inlets............................................................ 0 Electrical...................................................... `'Upida(a Building Permit ............................................ Y Vs Excavation ...................................... eck........................................... OY. S't deo ilter Type .................................................... �txrt d iump Size ................................................... [}� P• DivingBoard ................................................ 1 Maintenance Kit...........................................yc5 Safety Rope & Floats ................................... YCs Start-up Chemicals ...................................... Y L� 1st Years Pool Closing ................................ Io, Ladders........................................................ ov) C Walk Down Steps w/Handrail ...................... (91 PRICE OF POOL ............................$ a0 000..' Page No. of Pages 1 10082 McKinley Hwy. Osceola, IN 46561 (574) 651 -POOL PHONE tJ e)t�_ '88(A DATE fitjt l tf v o -t JOB NAME V JOB LOCATION IJOBPHONE Color Package ................... 50o.– 00.'Curved CurvedSlide w/6' concrete & hooked to pool water.... ...........: Pool Light.. Heater -Electronic Ignition .d.f�l .... l9 .... (�} tS Gas Line per ft .................................. 4.00 Polaris w/booster pump .................... ~— Wall Hook-up for Polaris ................... 10.0, -- Solar Blanket .................................... Solar Reel System ............................ 35th. - Winter Cover ..................................... -700. - (700. - Automatic Cover ............................ Automatic Extra Concrete (per sq. ft.) ............... 4. ,?5 Mineral Springs Unit ......................... -- GameSet ......................................... -- Other................................................. -- PRICE OF OPTIONS .....................$ q(0 Price of Pool .............................$ 0000,- ,90000,- Tax..................................................$ Tax d 0 1. 1 U TOTAL CONTRACT .......................$ .21 q 36 - 70 Zlpe Propose hereby to furnish material and labor -- complete in accordance with above specifications, for the sum of: dollars ($ }. Payment to be made as follows: All material is guaranteedr be as specified. All work to composted a workmanlike Authorized manner according to standard practices. Any alteration or deviation from above specifications Signature lying extra costs will be executed only upon written orders, and will become an extra o rga ave and above the estimate. All agreements contingent upon strikes, accidents or ys beyond our control. Owner to carry fire, tomado and other necessary insurance. Our Note: This proposal may be ars are fully covered by Workmen's Compensation insurance, withdrawn by us if not accepted within days. 01CCeptanct of Vropizal --The above prices, specifications and ciditions Signature are satisfactory and are hereby accepted. You are authorized to do the work specified. Payment will be made as outlined above. Signature ,1 ill el. 71Nr�-NIV-Hp kDN1.LS,�K3 3-L i ,'�, 12 Application - FOR - Certificate of Appropriateness Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County 125 S. Lafayette Blvd., South Bend, Indiana 46601 Mailing Address: County -City Building, South Bend, Indiana 46601 Phone: 574-235-9798 • Fax: 574-235-9578 • Email: SBSJCHPC@co.st joseph.inus Website: http://www.st osephcountyindiana.com/sjchp/index.html OFFICE USE ONLY >>>>>> DO NOT COMPLETE ANY ENTRIES CONJAINED IN THIS BOX »»» OFFICE USE ONLY Date Received X07 -7007 Application Number--!? Z - 091-2%8 Past Reviews: F� YES (Date of last Review) Staff Approval authorized by: n NO Title: Historic Commission Review Date: I/est 7007 M Local Landmark . Local Historic District (Name) National Landmark National Register District (Name) O Certificate of Appropriateness: E] Denied E] Tabled E] Sent To Committee E] Approved and Issued DATE Address of Property for proposed work: Street Number and St t Name Name of Property Owner(s): (Please Print) V V- ; G-. Address of Property Owner(s): j v 47dL1'r- Contractor(s) Name: Contract Company Name: Contractor Address: D(OS5 YAC V-4 n City: bseeo ke- ltu q(c SZo I Phone: T? 6 S71 - `7(oG S' Current Use of Building- Si h031'e J�rx.Yru (Single Fatniiy —Multi -Family — Commercial — Government — Industrial— Vacant —etc.) Type of Building Construction: (Wood Frame — Brick — Stone — Steel — Concrete — Other) Proposed Work: F] In-kind n Landscape ® New n Replacement (not in-kind) ElDemolition (more than one lox may be checW) Description of Proposed Work: 1c a.�-_1_Wr ou.n 6 Ob ne-'e4e- Gl eo r Nee ` V j L� n4 -r Owner/Contractor: Fax: e-mail (This office will conespoml with only one designee) and/or - — APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS ARE LISTED ON REVERSE SIDE — STAFF REPORT CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS Date: October 5, 2007 Application Number: 2007-1004 A Property Location: 1212 E. Jefferson Property Owner: Terri and John Califano Landmark or District Designation: E. Wayne Street LHD Rating: Non Contributing STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: This split level ranch was built . between 1958 and 1960 by Hazel and Merle Rusk. Mr. Rusk was a salesman with Ben Fefferman APPLICATION ITEMS: 1. Replace old Aluminum windows that have oxidized, are non functional and have missing and broken screens and storms with Kolbe wood replacement window insert sashes, not frames. 2. Replace front door and all screen (storm) doors. EAST WAYNE STREET STANDARDS: II EXISTING STRUCTURES, C. WINDOWS AND DOORS: Required: Original windows and doors shall be retained including sashes, lintels, sills, shutters, decorative glass, pediments, hoods and hardware. When deteriorated beyond repair, they shall be replaced with units and trim resembling the original. Recommended: Wood frame storm windows and doors painted to match the original should be used but should not damage existing frames. It new sashes or doors are installed, the existing or original materials, design and hardware should be used. When metal storm doors are used they should be painted, anodized or coated to match the existing. When awnings are used they should be of canvas material. Prohibited: Original doors, windows and hardware shall not be discarded when they can be restored and re -used in place. New window and door opening which would alter the scale and proportion of the building shall not be introduced. Inappropriate new window and door features such as aluminum insulating glass combinations that require removal of the original windows and doors shall not be installed. RECOMMENDATION: 1. The homeowners wish to replace the current original windows with more efficient and convenient wood replicas. Staff does not recommend approval as the originals are still in good shape and can be repaired. 2. The homeowners wish to replace a non -original door that is warped and difficult to open with a design in keeping with the exterior of the house and use a new full view stonn/screen storm door to replace one that is not working correctly. Staff recommends approval of this item. - - - ..''"_ •a�:i. ... _ Vii..{:.,.4i 1 �® ���-` f Illlul Illi lil Rite. Sill usion welded, 5 -chambered and overlapping sloped sill design adds 1 strength which helps prevent bowing. And best of all, no sill weep -holes are required making it easy to clean. Add to that a sill dam weather-stripping along rwith 2 additional sash seals and rou have an "Elite Sill" that insures quick water run off and weather tight F performance. F t: Elite Sash F Both, the top and bottom, sashes E of the Elite Double Hung tilt for !asy cleaning from inside. No 3� I� ;? t ansafe exterior ladders or dangerous leaning out of windows for cleaning. Sash lift handles are :signed and extruded as part of the profile. 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Jefferson October 4, 2007 1212 e- 30e,,TsOf\ 0 cto\3ev 4$ K4a.10 1212 e- 30e,,TsOf\ 0 cto\3ev 4$ r .� r ,,,)tt���ri.�-,t� '�'^' - ;""ter`^ � �- � � .- .. . _ _ r � _ ll..... AY1 f Application - FOR - Certificate of Appropriateness Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County 125 S. Lafayette Blvd., South Bend, Indiana 46601 Mailing Address: County -City Building, South Bend, Indiana 46601 Phone: 574-235-9798 • Fax: 574-235-9578 • Email: SBSJCHPCLco.st joseph.in.us Website: http://www.stjosephcountyindiana.com/sjchp/index.html OFFICE USE ONLY >>>>>> DO NOT COMPLETE ANY ENTRIES CONTAINED IN THIS BOX »»» OFFICE USE ONLY Date Received '1Ii & -ArJa q- Application Number a O Z - ��� y .4 Past Reviews: F� YES (Date of Last Review) ❑ NO Staff Approval authorized by:Title: Historic Commission Review Date: 45-d& 4w 07 00 7 Local Landmark �ocal Historic District (Name) National Landmark [:] National Register District (Name) U Certificate of Appropriateness: E] Denied E] Tabled E] Sent To Committee R Approved and Issued DATE Address of Property for proposed work: rS C Street Number and Street Name Name of Property Owner(s): (Please Print) %J046n Y r i l!a /I lat),j o Address of Property Owner(s): )-r . Contractors) Name: djulck- 'We c ;o r Contract Company Name: S,�e_aga-r Contractor Address: City: %Z1S/La Phone: 913 031 Current Use of Building: .s/;?e{ /e )C;r- M11 lu (Single"Yalmily -Multi-Family - ComJmercial - Government - Industrial - Vacant -etc.) Type of Building Construction: &)Oo d t diJ�L�Yat (Wood Frame - Brick - Stone - Steel - Concrete - Other) Proposed Work: © In-kind Landscape [] New Ej Replacement (not in-kind) ❑ Demolition (more than one box may be checked) Q Description of Proposed Work: 41d 10i`lvtG [v3 bz-c xan-4 ,~ E�rts -� '/- Aa tie ixt✓rs�' / ^ I� Ko Gc1ooD %re-�,p.� are., `t ,`d s4e r rn� rep kee-YYC-014-4 t 7�21X/c�ttJ j ms.,o r i� sAs �lY 'Xet rrLOS "Ce - c f Owner/Contractor: Fax: �� ' a 7 e-mail -i-ea 11`4 r',C D -00'o r G.ia Ape). (This office will com!swnd with only one desionce) V o.l�►'�i-lam (:CL/�9w and/or 1�7ri pct �iz-U — APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS ARE LISTED ON REVERSE SIDE — 0 STAFF REPORT CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS Date: October 5, 2007 Application Number: 2007-1004 B Property Location: 1212 E. Jefferson Property Owner: Terri and John Califano Landmark or District Designation: E. Wayne Street LHD Rating: Non Contributing STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: This split level ranch was built between 1958 and 1960 by Hazel and Merle Rusk. Mr. Rusk was a salesman with Ben Fefferman APPLICATION ITEMS ! 1. Remove old asphalt driveway and replace with concrete which it was originally. 2. Replace wooden garage doors with steel insulated automotive doors EAST WAYNE STREET STANDARDS: II EXISTING STRUCTURES, C. WINDOWS AND DOORS: Required: Original windows and doors shall be retained including sashes, lintels, sills, shutters, decorative glass, pediments, hoods and hardware. When deteriorated beyond repair, they shall be replaced with units and trim resembling the original. Recommended: Wood frame storm windows and doors painted to match the original should be used but should not damage existing frames. It new sashes or doors are installed, the existing or original materials, design and hardware should be used. When metal storm doors are used they should be painted, anodized or coated to match the existing. When awnings are used they should be of canvas material. Prohibited: Original doors, windows and hardware shall not be discarded when they can be restored and re -used in place. New window and door opening which would alter the scale and proportion of the building shall not be introduced. Inappropriate new window and door features such as aluminum insulating glass combinations that require Iremoval of the original windows and doors shall not be installed. RECOMMENDATION: 1. The staff recommends approval as it restores an original feature of the site of the house. 2. Staff recommends approval as the doors are deteriorated and the new steel doors will replicate the original wood panels. Application FOR - CerHficate of Appropriateness Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County 125 S. Lafayette Blvd., South Bend, Indiana 46601 Building, A Indiana AAAnj Mailing Address: t-Oull LY LLL?;, C--- P eL , Phone: 574235-9798 . Fax: 574235-9578 9 Email: SBSjGFC@co.st-joseph.in.us Website: http://www.s§osephcounq4ndiana.com/sjchli/index.hbii I OFFICE USE ONLY >>>>>> DO NOT COMPLETE ANY ENTRIES CONAINED IN THIS BOX >>>>>> OFFICE USE ONLY Date Received_y" 200 7 Application Number .2 j2j* Past Reviews: M YES (Doteoflast Review) NO Staff Approval authorized by: Title: Historic Commission Review Date: 2-001 M Local Landmark [Local Historic District (Name) National Landmark Fj National Register District (Name) Certificate of Appropriateness: Denied M fabled M Sent To Committee [3 Approved and Issued DATE Address of Property for proposed work: "s Street Number and Street Name Name of Property Owner(s): (Please Print) %64 ,i 4 yy,; t LZ /, Y1 p C, Address of Property Owner(s): Contractor(s) Name: Contract Company Name: Contractor Address: City: Phone: Current Use of Building: .SI ',r7e;.( 40 )EkW ki , ;' -4, (Singlenmily -Multi-Family - Commercial - Goz.Trninent - Industrial - Vacant -ctc.) 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Washington St. Landmark/District: Downtown Multi Use NR District, Local Landmark Rating: Significant At the regularly scheduled meeting of the HPC on September 17, 2007 the above referenced C of A was tabled by unanimous vote and Staff was charged with assisting the petitioner to find a both creative and acceptable solution to the dire situation regarding the roof of the structure. What follows is a synopsis of that work. On Friday, September 28, 2007 Preservation Specialist Wayne Doolittle arranged a meeting between representatives of the congregation, himself, Amy Herdman, and a Mike Smith, a roofing contractor with 20 years experience working with slate roofs- notably those at Notre Dame. After a brief misunderstanding regarding access to the building to survey the damage caused by the brittle failing slate roof, Mike Smith, Amy Herdman and Reverend Joseph Stanford walked both around and through the structure. That tour of the interior, revealed significant water damage occurring throughout the structure, rendering the interior architecture elements at great risk, as well as exterior items such as their stained glass windows. The sanctuary ceiling is linden wood and black ash, virtually irreplaceable. Below the peeling paint of the ceiling and walls, sit 66 delicately carved cherry pews. The massive pipe organ, a give of the Oliver children in memory of their father, is dusty with paint flakes and crumbled plaster. Interior masonry is calcifying and accumulating in crumbly piles, threatening windows and walls. Hand painted mosaic tiles by the dozens in entry ways have been lost. Beneath layers of paint, original frescoes may be lost due to water damage to the plaster. Reverend Stanford apologized profusely for any work done in error and is very amenable to all suggestions and assistance. In subsequent conversations, Mike Smith offered to assist the church by purchasing slate materials for installation at wholesale cost. Mr. Smith also agreed to do the slate work, with a budget TBD. Mr. Smith was very emphatic though that something must be done to protect the structure during the approaching winter weather, or the structure could be at risk for catastrophic failure, or cause injury to anyone inside the building. A temporary solution was suggested to hopefully satisfy all parties involved. Mr. Smith, with the assistance of another contractor, have volunteered their services for this project, should the HPC approve the plan. That information follows: 1. With the permission of Reverend Joseph Stanford, this C of A should be modified to a temporary or conditional C of A. The C of A seeks permission to temporarily remove slate shingles in the most dire areas of failure, ie: the flashing around the chimney and on the flat roof of the 1909 addition on the West side of the building, to facilitate the repair of the decking and replacement of underlayment to then be TEMPORARILY roofed with asphalt shingles that will be selected to blend in as much as possible to the remaining slates. The petitioner understands that this work is meant only to be a temporary solution as a means of protection from winter weather and that slates must be restored, no less than one year from the date of this C of A. Mike Smith Roofing will be the contractor on a purely voluntary basis. No volunteer parishioners will be utilized, and the temporary patch work will be completed expediently for maximum benefit to the structure. • As of 10/5/2007, Ambassadors for Christ have applied for an Indiana Preservation Grant through HLFI's NRO to fund a thorough building assessment to identify the most urgent needs of the building, and begin the lengthy process of drafting a preservation plan. Funds have been verified in the General Fund of Ambassadors for Christ to satisfy the matching requirement. Results of that application will be known by the HPC meeting on 10/15/2007. Statement of Significance: 1. The original congregation was founded by Horation Chapin in 1834. 2. James Oliver, Clem Studebaker and the parishioners circa 1887 split the cost of the building 3 ways; total cost to build: $30-35,000. 3. Generations of Studebakers and Olivers worshipped, were married, and eulogized in this building. 4. The church was the site of Schuyler Colfax's memorial service. 5. The interior and exterior fabric of the building is virtually irreplaceable. 6. Beneath layers of paint (begun with a 1940 "renovation") lay frescoes of various scenes and subjects. 7. 124 doors are double sided: cherry on one side, black ash on the other. 8. JD Oliver's children donated the pipe organ, still in tact, as a tribute to their father. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of this amended C of A. Consider: 1. Is approving this C of A congruent with the mission of the HPC? • Yes. Without exaggeration, the building is on the brink of significant collapse or failure. This C of A will assist in the mitigation of possible damage due to the impending winter weather. The petitioner understands that the application of the shingles is absolutely temporary, and is meant only to allow for fundraising and temporary protection of the structure. 2. Is there potential detriment to the district or the surrounding built environment if it is allowed? • No. The C of A is for the temporary application of replacement materials which will be as close a match as is available to the existing slates. Little if any of the work will be visible from the east, north or south. The contractor has 20+ years roofing experience. 3. Is there risk of financial hardship to the petitioner if the C of A is denied? • Unquestionably. The entire roof and interior ceilings are deteriorating by the day. Any way to slow or to temporarily stop that damage will lower future repair bills, protect original building elements, and ensure that no one using the building is injured. *Future plans: • A local contractor, B&B Construction, has volunteered labor and equipment to assist in the demolition of the 1909 (poorly built) brick addition on the west side of the building on the parking lot. Floor joists are rotting and mold is a significant issue. Staff suggested that the area be sealed and not used for the safety of occupants. That C of A application is expected in the spring. • An investment company out of Chicago has pledged assistance with the restoration of religious icons in the sanctuary. • Grants are currently being researched to secure funds to begin the daycare center that the church sees as one of their primary goals. • Grants are also being researched to fund a paint conservator's work on the interior of the sanctuary to determine the condition of the original frescoes. • Plans are underway to launch a capital campaign to fund needed restoration work. MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION OF SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY September 17, 2007 13`h Floor Conference Room County — City Building, South Bend, Indiana Members Present: Todd Zeiger, JoAnn Sporleder, Timothy Klusczinski, Martha Choitz, Jerry Ujdak, Lynn Patrick, Linda Riley Members Absent: Mary Jane Chase Staff Present: Catherine Hostetler, Amy Herdman, Shawn Peterson, Wayne Doolittle Also Present: John and Linda Brady, Alan DeFrees, Georges Enderle, Errik Juszczyk, Don Sporleder CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL: President Tim Klusczinski called to order at 7:00 pm I. PUBLIC HEARING *Note: C of A application number 2007-0716/0907, scheduled to be heard at this meeting, was withdrawn by the petitioner via telephone call. A motion was heard to amend the order of C of A applications posted on the published agenda. Moved: Zeiger Second: Sporleder Approved . Unanimously Application Number: COA #2007-0906 Property Location: 1715 E. Wayne Street Property Owner: Linda and John Brady Landmark or District Designation: East Wayne Street LHD Rating: Contributing STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: Whitcomb and Keller built this H.R. Stapp designed Tudor Revival house in 1929. John T. and Jean Voedisch were the first owners. Mr. Voedisch was an assistant football coach for Notre Dame under Knute Rockne. APPLICATION ITEMS: Gerard Homes Inc. is proposing to add a 16'x13'-6" screen porch to the rear of the home. They will be pouring footings and a concrete slab. Building materials will be all cedar; black aluminum screen will then be added with cedar trim. Roof will be %" OSB plywood with architectural shingles, aluminum fascia and soffit to match existing roof. The Exterior siding will be 1"x8" horizontal cedar. Interior will have 3' knee walls on three sides with an 8'x8'-6' French door leading into existing additions. Interior walls and ceiling will have 1"x8" horizontal T&G cedar. Exterior siding will be painted first with a primer and then brown to match existing house color. All landscaping, sidewalks, fences will be restored to their original appearance. EAST WAYNE STREET STANDARDS: III. New Construction: A. Height and Proportion: Required:... Additions to existing building shall be related in height and proportion to the existing structure. B. Building Materials: Required: Exterior materials used on a new structure shall be compatible in scale, texture and color with adjacent structures. Materials used on an addition to an existing structure shall relate to the existing or original materials of that structure. As much of the original structure as possible shall be retained so that the addition could be removed without damage to the basic structure and appearance of the building. RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends approval. The porch will be in scale and proportion to the rest of the house and will match the materials of the house. It will be in the rear of the home and attached to a non original addition to the house and will not obscure any original features. Klusczinski: Thank you Catherine, are the petitioners here? Would you like to make a presentation please, and we ask that you situate yourself near one of the mics. It's entirely optional, but... Brady: Ok, I didn't really have much planned to say. Klusczinski: Just please state your name and address for the record please. Brady: John Brady, 1715 E. Wayne Street. I grew up a few doors down at 1615 E. Wayne, and we had a screened porch there when I was growing up. So, one of the things that we wanted to do there when we moved into the home in 1990 was to add the screened in porch. It seems that our children took all our money, but the mosquitoes finally have driven us to do this. I sell houses in the neighborhood so I'm very into the historic appeal of the neighborhood myself, so I think that we'll do a good job on it and hope that you'll approve it. Klusczinski: Thank you. Before you leave, are there any Commissioners with questions for either the staff or petitioner? Sporleder: Yes. Could you show with these pictures where this screened in porch is going. I don't quitefollow what is... Brady: It is kind of hard to tell here, you know this picture might be abetter choice. It'll come, this is the addition that someone built before we moved in, and it will come from this direction like this, right in this area here. Sporleder: Is this the front of the house, is that correct? Brady: Yes. Sporleder: Ok, that's front and this is what? Back? Brady: This may show you a little bit better. Sporleder: Ok, so the screed in porch is going to go where? Brady: The screened in porch is going to start right where the existing roof line is and come out to here. Sporleder: So the roof line is going to be... it's going to cover this roof? Brady: Yes, that's correct, with the same shingles. Sporleder: And that will come out to where? Brady: Just slightly past this right here. Sporleder: Just past this area? Brady: Correct. And it will be the same.... Sporleder: One slopped roof. Brady: That's correct, a shed roof. Sporleder: That wasn't very clear in what was printed. Klusczinski: Joann, for the benefit of the rest of us on this end of the table could you illustrate that on this diagram? Brady: It's going to follow this line right here, and come down like that. Sporleder: It's nothing to follow this. Actually, but the color matches a little better. He's intending to start the roof right under the window and come all the way out to... Brady: It's about 16 ft, or about 4 ft past... Sporleder: So that he has the head room on this end. Brady: It will be a cathedral roof inside. Sporleder: But the outside roof is a shed roof Flashing tied into the roof with copper. Uj dak: What are you going to do in the wintertime? I had a situation like that and we put in storm windows and it was great. Klusczinski: Any_ other_questions for the petitioner before-we moveforward? Sporleder: Thank you very much. Klusczinski: Chair recognizes Commissioners for discussion before we move to public hearing. Any discussion? Hearing none, we move to public hearing. Is there anyone in the public wishing to speak in support of the current petition, you may do so. Hearing none, anyone wishing to 2 speak in opposition to the current petition may do so. Also hearing none, I close public hearing. Any additional discussion? Chair will entertain a motion. Riley: I move that we approve C of A 2007-0906. Patrick: I second. Klusczinski: Motion is made and seconded. Any additional discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? (Ayes) Opposed? (Silence) Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. Brady: Thank you. Moved: Riley Second: Patrick Approved Unanimously Application Number: COA #2007-0904 Property Location: 101 S. Lafayette/302 W. Washington Property Owner: Ambassadors For Christ Landmark or District Designation: Local Landmark/ Downtown NR District Rating: Significant STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCEMISTORIC CONTEXT: The Richardsonian Romanesque Church was constructed by_Christopher Fassnacht in 1888 for the First Presbyterian Congregation. Mr. Fassnacht also constructed the Studebaker's Tippecanoe mansion. The First Presbyterian Church was organized in 1834 under the direction of Horatio Chapin. The building was sold in 1952 to the People's Church of South Bend. The Ambassadors for Christ have been the owners since 2001. APPLICATION ITEMS: Roofs are an integral part of any building and at 302 W. Washington our roof is severe need of major repairs. At this time, however, we are considering only a couple of smaller areas where the need is greatest for repair. Repairs of the "same kind" are out of our financial reach. Therefore, what we propose is a repair that we can accomplish. This would consist of the following materials as needed: Complete removal of old material (slate), new wood only as needed (3/4" be plywood), 31/4" galvanized nails, new 15 weight base paper, 11/2" button nails, solid roll galvanized flashings 12" wide (to be totally covered), cold cement paste to be used around areas such as chimneys and vent stacks in combination with the fiber reinforcement (for long term strength, fiber reinforcement, architectural shingles (estate gray) and 11/2" electro -galvanized shingle nails. Area to be repaired is above the pastor's office which is located on the parking lot side of building directly in front of side drive. A semi -circular area above the window with air conditioner in it. GROUP B LANDMARK STANDARDS: C. RENOVATIONS AND ADDITIONS 2. Material— Additions and improvements involving any new material in the landmark should be of the same material as the original. It should be the same size and texture. An Alternative material may be allowed if it duplicates the original. RECOMMENDATION: Staff does not recommend approval of this project with substitute material. The work will be performed by volunteers with no experience in dealing with a slate roof. There is a possibility that the slates could be removed carefully, the decking repaired with new materials- underlayment felt or paper- and the slates reinstalled. It is estimated by the Preservation Specialist on staff that if the slates are removed carefully they may be able to reuse most of them and only have to buy a minimum of new Vermont slate or artificial slate for fill in. Artificial slate is $300 or less per square foot and slate is $425-$475 delivered. Klusczinski: Would you care to make a presentation sir? Jaszcyk: Yes, sir. Klusczinski: Come up to the microphones please. Please state your name and address for the record. Juszcyk: My name is ErrikJuszcyk and Ilive at 7859 S. Ashland in Chicago, IL. Sporleder: Can you spell your last name for us? Juszczyk: J-U-S-Z-C-Z--Y-K. 3 Hostetler: It's on the application. Klusczinski: Continue, please. Juszczyk: I'm a member of Ambassadors for Christ Church in Chicago and I'm a deacon of the Church, I'm an adult Sunday School teacher, and I'm also head of the construction department there and a 3rd year engineering student. When we bought the building in 2001, it was in need of roof repairs. At that time, we found a gentleman that was comfortable with slate roof repairs, and over the next couple of years we paid him several thousand dollars and we trucked in slate that we found and he repaired with copper clips but never really solved the problem. We kept having different areas of problems. He'd repair over here, then we'd have problems over there. At the end of the time, he finally said that he can't do anymore repairs to the roof because it needs to be replaced. He said, I work alone, I'm one man, and it's too big of a job for me. He gave us some companies to call for estimates, and for an original slate roof to be put back, they were talking around a quarter million (dollars). And that blew us away, so... Klusczinski: Can you speck if the quarter of a million was for the patched areas that were defective, or... ? Juszczyk: That was for a complete roof because no company would repair it. Everyone that we brought out said that they could do repairs but could not give us any kind ofguarantee as to whether this would solve the problem. The only way to guarantee it is to do the whole roof. Klusczinski: That just sounds to me like they're trying to lobby for the entire job. Juszczyk: It wasp 't just one company, it was other companies. Klusczinski: I just want to make one clarification. You live in Chicago, but you're a deacon stationed in this church here? Juszczyk: We're both Ambassadors for Christ. Chicago is the mother church, but we have other churches too. Klusczinski: Did you come in specifically for this presentation here tonight? Or are you normally here? Juszczyk: I came in specf cally for this presentation here. Klusczinski: Any other questions for the petitioner or staff? Ujdak: You talk about leaks, do they appear just in one particular area or are you experiencing leaks all over the building? Juszczyk: We are experiencing leaks all over the building, but the area that this about is an area a little bit smaller than this room, and we literally cover the entire area with buckets and garbage cans collecting water. Ujdak: The rest of the edifice is relativelyfree of leaks? Relatively? Juszczyk: Yeah, we have some leaks here and there, but none as bad as that. It's the worst, and it's not even something that you can see from the street on Washington, it's on the back parking lot. Riley: Have you considered applying for grants to help you do the work? Juszczyk: There's nothing that we would like better than to restore it to the original slate and the original glory of the building, but we ...we're looking into it, but as of yet we haven't found anyone that would supply us with grants or funding. Riley: I've seen a slate roof across the street from us, and I don 't know if they haven't been able to talk to everybody that could do that kind of work. Juszczyk: What would happen is that when the man came there, when he'd put the ladder on the slate to get to the different areas when he'd put his ladder down, the slate would just start crumbling. Slate just kept falling off and he said, this is just a never ending battle and I can't do it anymore. Klusczinski: That's with a ladder, there may be other ways of approaching it. With a boom, or scaffolding.—That-s just-another_possibility Juszczyk: With the way that pitch is, you can build scaffolding up but how do you get over? Klusczinski: To clary also Catherine, you indicated also that it would be acceptable to use an artificial slate fill in product. Do you have any quotes, or have you explored that option? Juszczyk: I know from the square footage that it would be into the thousands to do that... a] Klusczinski: But you don't have any quotes from contractors to do that? Patching or replacement? Juszczyk: Actually, I can 't find anyone that will patch, period. Klusczinski: Ok. Patrick: I have a question. Are the people that did quote, are they all from the Chicago land area? Or local? Juszczyk: Local, and from Elkhart, I believe. Patrick: Do you know who the locals were? Juszczyk: I know that it was several years ago, ma'am. We can probably dig up the paperwork somewhere, but the quarter million was just totally out of our range. Patrick: I know, Errik, it's not the quarter of million for me. It's the lack of documentation on what somebody said... and if it was several years ago, people come and go out of the business, they're constantly developing new products and procedures. If this has been held in abeyance for that long, I'm wondering why you don't seek, also we're in a new financial thing, homebuilding is slowing down ... people that might have been tied up before might be amenable to doing it now. Seven years is a long time. It might be worth your while, I'm trying to help you and save you money, it might be worth it just to call some people in and tell them what you want. The other thing that concerns me is that the people are going to do the work, the parishioners? Volunteers? Juszczyk: I would be leading it, I'm not a roofer, but I have a roofer in Chicago and a roofer in Elkhart that would work under me. Patrick: And they work on slate roofs? Juszczyk: They work on shingle roofs. I'm asking to remove the slate and to put the shingles on that small area. Not the entire roof, you can't even see it from Washington and Lafayette, just that small area to try to preserve the building until we can get to the status to where we can bring it back to the original state. Klusczinski: But then the cost is much higher because you'd have to bring in all new materials instead ofsalvaging the material that's in place right now. Juszczyk: The material that's there now is no good, it's brittle. When you go up there, itjust crumbles in your hand. Zeiger: I'm just curious, and you may not know, but do you know the date that the slate that it was put on? Juszczyk: I don't know, Td imagine when they built it. Zeiger: Maybe, maybe not. Juszczyk: I know that they're not galvanized nails a lot of the problem is that the nails have just rusted through. Zeiger: The problem with the roof is not the slate, the problem with the roof is the nails and the underlayment. Juszczyk: There is no underlayment. Zeiger: There's something. -They're not just hanging out in space. Juszczyk: They're shingles on top of wood. When the shingle falls out, you see wood. Zeiger: Right, that's underlayment. I understand. The problem with this roof is that the nails have rusted and that's what's dropping the slates. The tarpaper, to use a current term, has deteriorated, and there's just nothing shielding that water anymore. Slate does get brittle, but I just wonder if the majority of your water problem isn't coming in right around the flashing in this area here around your chimney. This is the edge of where that roof comes back in, that's the area that you're talking about, correct? Juszczyk: Yes, it goes like this, and then it goes like that on the other side. Zeiger: It could be the flashings and the gutters. Juszczyk: It's a combination of everything. Everything is bad. Zeiger: It's reached the end of its useful life unfortunately. I noticed on this picture, on this back corner, it has the asphalt on this. Was this approved by the C omission? Hostetler: No. Zeiger: This work was done without a C of A. Juszczyk: At that time I wasn't aware that we needed that. F1 Zeiger: Ok, I just wanted to know where that came from And this is what you're proposing to do on this piece? Juszczyk: Yes. Zeiger: In our packet, it shows this picture and it shows that. Sporleder: What is that? Zeiger: That's architectural, that's what he's proposing to put on this little roof/dormer area. That's all the questions that I have, thank you. Choitz: What kind of material is that? Zeiger: Fiberglass asphalt. Juszczyk: It's actually the best asphalt shingle on the market. Zeiger: It's a dimensional shingle, it also shows up in this picture. Juszczyk: In comparison, that goes for about $45.00 per square feet as opposed to $400. Sporleder: What is this? Riley: Could you explain this brown area here? Is there slate missingfrom there? Here and here? Juszczyk: That's some type of rubber material that was existing when I bought it. Riley: So, it's missing? There should be slate there? Juszczyk: That's the way that it was when we bought the building. Riley: And is this slate? Juszczyk: In the bell tower? Yes, it is. Sporleder: A roof that steep shouldn't be leaking. Zeiger: That's why I think that it's the flashing and the gutters. Choitz: How long has it been leaking like this? Juszczyk: It's been leaking ever since we bought the building. Choitz: Are you working on it, or just letting it get worse all the time? Juszczyk: That's what I explained ma'am, that we had a slate contractor that was repairing the roof until he said that he couldn't anymore. As it's getting worse in these certain areas, we're trying to do our best in these certain areas, at least for this year and hopefully something will come through for us and we'll be able to tackle the whole project next summer. Klusczinski: Ok, as long as there aren't any other questions for the petitioner, I'll open the discussion for the Commissioners. Anyone want to... ? Zeiger: Wayne had something, so I'll wait. Doolittle: One of the major difficulties when dealing with slate, is finding a contractor that's competent enough to do it. Lots of contractors say that they can, but they don't know how to do it. A good slate roof should last between 200-300 years, the failing problems is the wood decking, if that fails, and supposedly, you don't need any felt there at all, it's put there basically to keep the water out until you get the slate on. So being able to remove it, using the right tools, to remove the existing nails and putting them back up, it's just how it's been treated. If people walk on it, that's a real problem. They need to use a ladder. So, it's finding the right people that know how to do it. Sporleder: The Commission was responsible for the slate re -reroofing of the fire station on Niles Avenue, and it was a local person that re -did the slate. Our files should show... Doolittle: It was probably Midland Engineering. Sporleder: No, it was... Klusczinski: Was it Slatile? Sporleder: No, the contractor had a nice German name. Zeiger: Hubert Gochel. (sp?) H. G. Roofing. Sporleder: That's who it was. The Commission was quite satisfied and they were too and that's where _a neighborhood center was _so it was within their means with a Jzrant to do it. Donald and I were responsible for the Niles City Hall at one time, and those slates, they had serious problems, and we secured a firm out of Detroit who gave us a very good estimate for repairing, as you say, a lot of the nails had failed, the slate eats the nails basically and they fall out. They did remove quite a few, they didn't need to replace anything. It was the City Hall and it was huge. T Doolittle: I think that a number of the people have passed away that were good at that. That's the dijiculty. Sporleder: Slatile still exists, I don't know who all anymore. Zeiger: There's four firms in town, you've got HG Roofing, Slatile, JC Lauber, and I believe Midland would probably still look at it. All of them would be able to look at this little space and give a bid that's specifically that area instead of the whole roof if you're just looking to isolate that spot from the chimney out over the pastor's study, that could be isolated as one job. I doubt though that it's never going to be cheaper than free. Labor is nothing, and that's good for you because you have a volunteer ethic in your church and that's excellent but no matter what that bid is, it's never going to match up. This roof has got a major problem and it's the nails. It's dropping shingles and it has been for years. Sporleder: But the round part of this doesn't look like it's in ... is this the part that you were talking about? This plus this? Am I reading this picture correctly? Juszczyk: And these crowns, if you look closely at them, there's holes eaten through them. Sporleder: That may be where a major part of your problem is. But the problem of getting, I think Todd you could maybe say something about this too, getting this nice curve thing with asphalt shingles. Juszczyk: Oh yes, it would be super easy. A lot easier than with slate, slate doesn't bend. Sporleder: Slate doesn't bend, but they're in smaller units that you can work with. Hostetler: We've had problems with architectural shingles on curves. Zeiger: You can look at, and this is just anecdotal, look at the Remedy and our turret has that. It took our roofer whole days to wrap that turret. We didn't have slate, it was already in asphalt, but it about drove her nuts. She had to cut every shingle down to slate size and then wrap it. As you wrap it around that long rectangle, it flips up. It's not as straightforward as what you've replaced on this flat edge here, it comes up, and it doesn't lay flat. You have to cut each one. Juszczyk: That's not a problem. Labor is not a problem. Money is a problem And it's something that we do ... we want to get the slate back on there, but it's out of reach and the building is getting destroyed on the inside. Klusczinski: I'm going to move ahead into the public hearing so that we can close this issue. Any member of the public wishing to speak in support of the petition? Hearing none. Any member of the public wishing to speak in opposition? Also hearing none, the public hearing is closed. Any final comments that you'd like to say? Juszczyk: No sir. Klusczinski: Any further discussion? Riley: I think that this is such a significant building and it's so prominent, I would like to see them get more quotes and come back to us if they want to do it in the artificial slate, I'd like to see samples of it. Herdman: We have samples in the office. Riley: Well, I'd like to see what they want to use. Patrick: I want to ask if down the road if you end up going with the different material, would it be possible to save that slate? Klusczinski: I'll bet if they thought that was the outcome that they'd be less meticulous with attempts to salvage the roof. Choitz: One thing I'd like to put into this. This is about the time that Clem Studebaker was finishing Tippecanoe Place. The roof may not be the same kind, but have you ever looked in the basement of your building? If there's a sub basement under the basement, at Tippecanoe Place, we found that the floors down there were lined with extra the from Ireland where all that slate had come from. He had new enough down there to put a new roof on. It was just like new, it had been down there with good drainage, and although there was water around it when we found it, but it hadn't hurt the tile. I don't know how familiar you are with the basement and whatever they could have built under that, but sub basements were very popular. Clem also had a bowling alley down there in the second one down, and that was lined with the different kinds of trim that he had stored. So, I don't know, but you might loop We were able to find that same place in 7 Ireland and order it when we knew that we didn't have enough. They sent it over here, and it matched just fine, and it wasn't an expensive preposition. Sporleder: I belong to the Presbyterian Church, as it turns out, and they have been fairly meticulous in keeping their drawings, so it's fairly possible that the original drawings for this building are in our vault. And if that's of any help to anybody, I'd be more than happy to dig those out if that's any help to anybody. It's a dungeon down there and not very pleasant, but that might be helpful. I'd like to pickup on what Linda said and if we could get somebody locally, not necessarily a few more estimates, but I'd like to get Slatile or someplace that Todd might recommend to see if we could just get a good inspection of your roof and see if we can idents the areas of concern, places where the water problems are usually the most severe and also to get an assessment of the quality of the slates that exist. They really do disintegrate and there isn't much worth to trying to save them. Klusczinski: I have a brief question for Counsel. For the purposes of this discussion, I'm not sure that it's possible to sustain this C ofA with the amendments that have been offered; either by Linda with the use of artificial slate, which what you're proposing which is to have contractors from the area come in and take a look for an assessment. Sporleder: To give us an assessment of what the problems are so that we can help assist him to work out what's best for everyone. Peterson: You really would only have two options. One, you're required to take action on the C ofA within 60 days so you either have to postpone or table with the consent of the applicant to conduct further investigations of the issues that were raised. Or, take action upon the C ofA either today or at a subsequent meeting. If you choose to deny it, you'd each have to state your reason why you choose to deny it. When you consider a C ofA, just as a reminder, there are three factors, are the improvements appropriate in light of the goals of the Commission, would the improvement bear a detriment to the public if it is allowed if it's not appropriate, and three, what is the potential hardship to the applicant. So you weigh those three factors when you choose whether to approve or deny an application. Again, a reminder, if you do choose to deny, you must state your opinion of why you're denying it. You must say those types of issues in your rationale for your vote. Klusczinski: Well, with that advice, the Chair will entertain a motion to table C ofA 2007-0904, and remand the further investigation to staff, or Committee pending the information. Riley: Why can't the petitioner get the estimates? Klusczinski: Martha has moved that the C ofA be tabled. Sporleder: I'll second it, if it hasn't been seconded. Klusczinski: It hasn't, so thank you. Peterson: Before a vote, we need to ask the applicant if he'd be willing to extend the deadline of the application to allow further fact finding for you to be able to get estimates and all that? Would you be willing to allow an extension of the deadline, or do you wish for the Commission to take final action within 30 days? Juszczyk: At this time, it goes back to the same scenario. We do not have the money, so even if we had estimates for $2000 we don't have it. We barely have enough money to do what we want to do to save the building and that's where we're at. If you want to delay it, I'm fine with that, but it's just damaging the building more. Peterson: Just for clarification, just so you understand, when you submit an application, you have the right to request that they take action within 60 days of your request. Zeiger: Sixty days from date of application. Peterson: Yes, from date of application. Zeiger: So we've got until November. Peterson: They_could_table_itlo-table_it.In_a-sense,theliming_is-such_that_if_you provide additional information that is persuasive they can take further action. If you're saying that you're not going to get additional information, then the 60 days will come up and they will take action whether approval or denial they're allowed to have that window. But if you want to extend it to get more information, then you should let us know at this time that you want us to allow the time to gather information. Do you want time to gather information or do you choose not to allow for that scenario and want them to take action as quickly as possible? Juszczyk: I do not need anymore time. Peterson: Ok. Sporleder: I would still like to suggest that even if he doesn't need more time with what to do I think that the Commission can be of some assistance in finding out the information. As I said, I might be able to find the drawings and that might be helpful in ascertaining what the structure is, where the valleys are, what's actually under there, etc. I really would like to pick up on what Linda said. And, if we have to hire someone to come in and look at it, I think that we should be prepared to do that. In addition, I think that Catherine and staff possibly could help find a grant that might... they have really taken on a courageous thing taking on that church. It's one of the most historic churches left in South Bend and it wasn't in good shape when they got it, and it was in danger of being torn down when they got it. Klusczinski: Joann, and for the purposes of the motion on the table, I just want to make a clarification that although those are great recommendations they're not part of the original motion that's been made and seconded. Sporleder: I'm just encouraging us to take the time that we need to find out. Klusczinski: Absolutely. To assist them in any way possible. Motion has been made and seconded to table C ofA 2007-0904. Applicant indicated that time was not an issue either way other than the potential destruction from the leaking roof that he has to deal with right now, but we're not stalling a project that he has planned and contracted. Juszczyk: Uh, yes you are. I had a permit and you pulled it. So you are stalling a project that I have planned. Herdman: No. A C ofA was issued based on inaccurate information that the roof or the portion of the roof in question was being replaced in-kind. The person that came to get that permit didn't understand that terminology and lead us to believe... Klusczinski: And that asphalt shingle was the result? Herdman: Exactly. Klusczinski: That C ofA isn't valid, that's why this one... Juszczyk: All I'm saying is that I was planning to do these repairs and that you ARE stopping me from doing it. Klusczinski: Fair enough. Any other Commission discussion on the topic? Hearing none, I call for a vote. All in favor? (Ayes) Opposed? (Silence) Motion to table C ofA 2007-0904 pending an investigation and other assessments on repairs passes. Herdman: Do we need a motion to charge us to do that work, or do you prefer it to go to committee? Hostetler: Do you want to put this in Standards and Maintenance? In landmarks? Klusczinski: I'm going to make a suggestion that we leave it to staff to work out, and if they get in over their head, then they can ask for. Hostetler: None of us are experts in slate roofs. Klusczinski: No, but so far as being able to pull contractor information and maybe hear the assessments that they're trying to gather. Herdman: I can do that. Peterson: As a clarification, the ordinance allows for 45 days, not 60 days. So, it's 45 days, so you'll have to act on next meeting. Sporleder: Sir, is there anybody, uh do you have a congregation here? And would there be anyone there to let us in or to look at the roof.. We wouldn't want to go on the property unless we had someone there. Juszczyk: I can make arrangements to have someone hereto open the doors. Klusczinski: And our staff has your contact information? Ok. Moved: Choitz To table C of A 2007-0904 Second: Sporleder Approved Unanimously 6 Application Number: COA# 2007-0905A Property Location: 710 Park Avenue Property Owner: Georges Enderle Landmark or District Designation: Local Landmark, Chapin Park LHD/NR Rating: Outstanding STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: This Eclectic Italianate was built for Mary Chapin Anderson and Andrew Anderson between 1875 and 1877. Four generations of the Anderson-DuShane family lived in this house until 1962. APPLICATION ITEMS: For Comparative purpose: Restoration on one window (one glass) in bay area of dining room. Replacement of one window (two glasses), next to restored window with Marvin Window (wood ultimate insert double hung window). This proposal will allow to compare the aesthetical and thermal impact of the restoration solution and the replacement solution and provide valuable information for the how the window problem in my house can be solved satisfactorily. Standards and Guidelines for Chapin Park: II Existing Structures, C Windows and Doors: Please see attached pages 74 and 75 of the Chapin Park Standards and Guidelines for the verbatim Standards concerning windows. GROUP B LANDMARK STANDARDS B. Treatment: Treatment shall be defined as any change of surface materials that will not alter the style or original form. Such improvements include reproofing, glazing, or landscaping lawns and may involve a change that can potentially enhance or detract from the character of the landmark. A treatment change of any surface whether on the landmark or in its environment may require a Certificate of Appropriateness if it significantly alters the appearance of the landmark. Although these kinds of changes may not require a Building Permit, a Certificate of Appropriateness may be necessary. The commission should review the proposed treatment for character and style consistency with the original surfaces. RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends approval of this experiment. The two window applications will be side by side under nearly identical conditions on the west side of the bay and will not be visible from the street. Sporleder: Excuse me, I've just finally read this, and I don't believe that this is a correct statement, I don't believe that this is on the West side. I think it's on the North side. Sorry Amy, I didn't see that before. Herdman: You don't need to apologize tome. Sporleder: I know that you said that if there was information that needed corrected... Herdman: No ma'am, just on the minutes. DeFrees: Alan Defrees, 18333 Gardenia Drive. I'm here for Dr. Enderle because I teach at Notre Dame and I teach in the school of Architecture, and there are two main interests that I have. I teach students that are involved with the energy concerns of buildings, and the other is that I'm starting to work with the Historic Preservation concentration also. Historic Preservation has been an interest of mine for decades, since I got into architecture. In fact I got into architecture remembering visiting my grandmother and walking down the street and seeing historic homes in the neighborhood. One of the greatest concerns that I have is that in our future we're going to have to have energy efficient buildings. Fortypercent of our primary energy used is in our buildings. And so we're using a tremendous amount of energy, while making great progress in areas of transportation and agriculture and industry. With buildings we have this huge problem regarding making them energy efficient. There's a lot about old buildings is good. Lots of windows meant opening windows and not relying on air conditioning to remain comfortable_ Today -many people are still going to AC to do that, but our future is going to have to determine how to keep windows operable so that we can use them throughout many seasons and how we can work towards having an energy efficient building. I'm here pro-bono and not charging anyone for this because part of the interest of this is that the scientific facts are pretty easy to sort out, but this area of decision of when we're altering a building to it's detriment is of real concern tome. What Professor Enderle is proposing, initially he wanted to change the four 10 windows of the bay to a wood frame Marvin window with the same proportions and operations as, the other window except it contained double paned glass with argon fill which makes it more ejjrcient, but also a low -e coating which also makes it more ejficient as far as the thermal transfer. Single pane glass has absolutely no insulating value at all, so this would be a huge difference. We've looked at other possibilities, and one of them was the possibility of storm windows on the outside, but this house has never had storm windows on the outside. The traditional storm window really needs about an inch and a quarter minimum of reveal on the exterior trim for them to fit. If we tried that, the windows would stick out from the trim and would not fit properly. I feel that this would be a detriment to the appearance of the building and actually there's a number of homes in the area that have done that and architecturally it really does alter the appearance of a building. One of things about our older buildings is that windows were recessed back and placed on a plane further back from the building. This is part of the thing that makes them so attractive. When we put storms on the outside, you're losing the depth of the fagade. This is one of the things that we thought would be a detriment to the house, they'd just look odd. One of the great threats to our historic buildings is how to keep them warm in the winter and comfortable in the summer at the same time. And so, also with a storm we have the problem of having to change them at times of the year that may not exactly be appropriate. Making a decision of when to change windows can still cost money. So, we're looking to rather than change all the windows is to replace them with modern windows and save all the parts if anyone wants to restore them later, that could be done. So, what we're proposing now is to change one window so that we can do two things to see what the difference is, this is a full sized elevation of the drawing, this is the existing condition and the sill and the trim on the side. The one thing that will be different in appearance as far as the profile of everything is the sill that is an integral part of the window and if this is installed you could do two things, rip out the existing sill and insert this in some way, but I don't feel this is desirable. You couldn't reverse the installation later if someone wanted to. We'll end up with windows of the same proportion except for this very slim sill. Sothis is what we've proposed and this is of very great interest tome because I'm interested in energy usage and I'm going to take measurements to see the differences. We're proposing to restore the other existing window to perform as well as it can possibly perform functionally with the windows going up and down and so forth. The thermal performance needs to be evaluated, not just because you have storm windows and two panes, and these modern panes really do save a lot of energy. We will save all of the pieces if someone does want to reverse the process. This is the only visual change which most people will not be able to notice from the street. Any questions? Klusezinski: I'll get to that. Chair opens up discussion for questions for either the petitioner or the staff. I did have a few questions myself. Sporleder: I was just comparing and if you line these up, it looks sort of significant on apiece of paper- like % of an inch difference, but if windows are 6 ft tall, I'm not sure that I'd notice % of an inch. Klusczinksi: Mr. Defrees, I did hear you speak about exterior wood storms and the amount of reveal but I didn't hear you discuss maybe what would be a permanent fix for the person that you're representing and that would be either aluminum storms on the outside that could be removed with the least work being done to the building or interior storms. Maybe the energy potential in savings, and the reason that I'm asking these questions is that this is very much deja vu for a number of us that have been through a couple of C of A's last year. I think that it's important for us to understand the concept of what's happening. I think that last year, and correct me if I'm wrong Professor, you proposed 10 windows out of 54 in your house, and 10 out of 54 back then, it really cries out to me on what energy savings potential the owner of the property would be able to have from that. Some of the windows that were proposed were not those that were in detriment and leaking so much either. So, I was thereat that property and I know the house intimately and it was proposed at that time that maybe other options would better suit the house. I appreciate your opinion and at least as far as I'm trying to get to here, we have standards and guidelines which we have to abide by too, which don't necessarily reflect vision and some of your opinion, so we try to factor that in also. Again, this is just me talking, but I 11 would like to hear if you're interested in the test results how this couldn't be tested outside of a historic property especially one that has a Significant rating in the Chapin Park Historic District. If you couldn't find out another independent way of making this assessment. The 800 lb gorilla in this comparison is this seems like a veiled attempt to do one window because it's not clear, since this is an experiment for a comparative purpose, what is the criteria of aesthetic and thermal impact, how will that be measured, who determines the criteria for the test, how do we find out about, legally what could we do if we weren't pleased with the aesthetic results to reverse this procedure, and what timeframe the test would be completed in. A single pane window will always fail against a double pane window. I think that maybe to make this a fair test, if maybe that was the original intention, would have been to restore the window with some storm window solution to be a comparative for what's being proposed. That would do less to infringe upon the reveal. So those are my thoughts and I appreciate any response and comments that you have about that. Defrees: Regarding the measure of aesthetics of the windows, I really know of no possible test. Klusczinski: So it would fail, it would fail as readily as comparing a single pane window to a double pane window for thermal efficiency, that was kind of my point. Defrees: As far as aesthetics, there's no real way to compare it. Klusczinski: And I'm just reading verbatim how this was proposed. Defrees: So aesthetically, I have no basis, there's no basis as far as I know to measure. As far as the actual physical testing (comments incomplete due to end of tape%hanging tape for recording) Now when we get to things like storm windows, then there's a lot of different things that come into play including the existing profile of the window and how it fits in, how well it can be sealed, as it's a removable pane, it's not glued or sealed in place. We want to look at thermal conductance, but there are all these other matters too. This is an interest to me, because one of the problems that we have to solve is the huge amount of energy usage that we have in America. I understand the differences in costs between old windows and new windows and the functionality of the windows. One thing that is very different is that on the first warm day of spring you want to open up your windows and you have to take down your storms and then for the next three weeks it snows. So you're losing 3-4 weeks in the spring and fall when you could be conserving energy. This is my area of extreme interest. When I was down in AL a few years ago, the coldest weather they have is our warmest, and a couple of the buildings that I saw showed me how important it's going to be how we accomplish historic preservation. Laws change and it affects our buildings. One of the most damaging things is the banning of lead based paint. I saw dozens of houses that have had exteriors stripped off and covered with vinyl siding because the owners can't afford to paint every 2-3 years in their high humidity. Klusczinski: Ifl might stop you, if you'd answer specifically who's in charge of the test? And for what time period? DeFrees: I'll be conducting the test. We'll hope to have a cold day... Klusczinski: I don't mean the day it would be begin, but what duration? DeFrees: Oh, I would do it more than one time period, I would conduct tests at regular intervals over maybe a week's period to see the numbers we'd get. Ujdak: I find this thing kind of interesting. In proposing this test when they know what the results are. Klusczinski: Right. Ujdak: It's a phony test, it's a loaded test. That's like comparing the pace of a snail and a corvette. I can't buy it. I know what's going to happen, and you know what's going to happen. DeFrees: This is why I'm here. Ujdak: No amount of verbiage is going to change this. It's a loaded test. Peterson: I'd like to interject just from a legal standpoint. There's two things; the motivation behind doing it is really in someway is really irrelevant depending on what they're presenting. If they're presenting to do one window, then you're deciding whether it's appropriate to do one window. Whether they're doing tests on it, they're painting what they're doing is irrelevant. If what you're doing is proposing to measure for the rest of your house, then that's a different application. I'm seeking a solution for my whole house and this is one window will present the 12 first affect of this experiment, or the first stage of my replacement. In that case, then the experimentation is a relevant consideration. There's some confusion there. If your thought really is a solution then the C ofA should be more detailed in terms ofyour true intentions. DeFrees: The most the important part of the experiment is not the thermal, it's the aesthetic, because... Klusczinski: But as you said it's going to fail because it's not to exactly compare to what we had. That's very subjective. It's not going to look better when you put a sill on top of a sill then one that is designed and built and installed right on the property there. DeFrees: You talk about absolute. But we don't know the degree of savings. I'd much rather have the window look exactly as it does right now, but when we have to make a decision between the two... Klusczinski: And what I'd say is that I don't'see any basis in the guidebook for what we're trying to decide as far as the preservation of a structure that has any leniency towards scientific analysis that could turn into a precedent for every other window in that house. I'm not sure that we're prepared to make that argument or that case tonight because that's certainly something that could come out of this. It's loaded. And also for the record, interject a couple things that were not part of the application items here within... well, yes and no, in the Chapin Park guidebook on page 81, it says 'in the case of structures located within the district which are designated individually as landmarks, the most restrictive guidelines shall apply'. That's very simple. Then when you go in Group B standards, which apply to 710 Park Avenue it says on page I that you're required to maintain the building as is, and if possible returned to original. Two very absolute statements and we're faced with this scientific analysis which is a little bit smoke and mirrors beyond what we're supposed to be focused on for historic aesthetics. Zeiger: My question is about the unit itself. Is this a clad unit that you're proposing to put in? DeFrees: We're proposing a clad unit, but we would consider wood. A painted wood window. Klusczinski: But the window on the C ofA is clad? Petitioner responded, but did not approach the microphone, so comments are unintelligible. Zeiger: I'm asking a question so I understand what I'm looking at here. Before it was clad. I'm just asking what the application is for. So the application is for a painted wood unit. I'm a little confused though about how long this unit will be in for. In your presentation you said that in case someone decides to restore this, these pieces parts will be saved, so that says to me that this isn't an experiment and this is a permanent installation that you're asking for. So how long is this window intended to be in for experimental purposes. Enderle: As soon as we have reliable results we'll make another application. The proposal is, and I think that this is a pragmatic way to proceed that doesn't pre-suppose anything. Look at both dimensions, if we can find out that both windows look almost the same we don't have to say that they are completely different, but aesthetically, there's no big difference. This is a very... Klusczinski: But you're judge and jury over something that you're asking our permission for. Enderle: The only difference is in the picture here. Zeiger: I object to the extra sills, I objected to the extra sills last year because you do notice it, it sits back from the edge from the original and you can see the new sill. Is this a permanent installation or is this really an experiment? When you takeout the windows, how are you going to, in three weeks, put it back in when we don't approve of the change? You're going to put it back? Enderle: Sure. Hostetler: When we were discussing this with Mr. DeFrees and Dr. Enderle, the idea was to fully restore one of the wood windows so that it's functioning properly, sealing, and f tting into it's frame properly to see just how much energy is being lost. An appreciable difference? Zeiger: Maybe this is under conversations of the-Commission, and I would like to pursue that a bit more. Oh, and why not have sash packs instead of an entire window with an extra sill and a jamb and all that? DeFrees: I'm not sure what you're talking about. Zeiger: Kolbe and Kolbe and Marvin and others make a system to replace just the sash that don't' require sills and jambs and other things with a spring loaded system so that you can 13 exactly match the sash that are in place but they're double hung thermal glazed. They don't require the sill, or the jamb changing. It's a sash pack. This, what you're proposing does shrink it down. DeFrees: No it doesn't. The one thing that could be done is to alter the sill, but I think that's... Zeiger: You're talking about routing out the sill. That's my question, why these sash kits weren't considered. DeFrees: We did look at one vinyl unit, but... Zeiger: I'm not proposing a vinyl window. Enderle: The proposal that we're proposing now it gives more stability to the whole thing than just to have 2 sashes, and that is the basic point. And it doesn't make the daylight smaller, we measured in my letter. The replacement window is almost the same surface as, and that's why the proposal is not the final thing, I'm very interested to know how that 's practical. If it is possible to do it, you know, then we can say yes, and if it raises too many questions then we can talk. When I went to see Catherine and Wayne, my proposal was just to have one replacement window. And they explained that it would be meaningful to have this one restored and have them side by side. So we know both and we can get a realistic picture to compare it. Klusczinski; Not until there's another storm window to compliment ... Enderle: The storm window question in the bay window area is perfectly clear- it's not possible to have exterior storm windows, it's never been it's not possible, or inside, you have not the authority to force me to put in inside storm windows. Klusczinski: But that doesn't mean that it's not a solution. Enderle: For me, it's not a solution. Klusczinski: I also had a question for you directly and that was, I have 3 C of A's for the windows at different times: 2006-0908A, 2006-1005A and the one we're seeing tonight. Just for my satisfaction, did Professor Enderle ever pay the processing fee for these? Hostetler: Uh, yes he did. I have a receipt right here. Klusczinski: For the one tonight? Hostetler: For the one tonight. Klusczinski: So we have an outstanding balance of $20 for those that we've already heard? Ok, I just wanted to know. Enderle: I asked to pay $10 every time and I was told that this is part of the original proposal so I don't have to pay, but if you want my $20,1 can do it tonight. Klusczinski: I was very happy that you paid tonight, but I was also under the impression that without paying for both of the original ones last year that you may not have again tonight. I wanted to see if there's a problem with staff or something else that we needed to attend to. Riley: Can I make a comment and I apologize... Klusczinski: Only if it's a question, because I have to open public hearing. Any other questions for the petitioner? Hearing none. I open public hearing. Any member of the public wishing to speaking in favor of the public? DeFrees: I would. Klusczinski: You're a representative of the petitioner. DeFrees: Yes, but I'm not the petitioner. Ujdak: Give him 3 minutes. DeFrees: I'd really most like to hear what all of you think of this kind of situation and what you think of the future of our historic buildings. Zeiger: Didn't we address that, because I have a response to that. Because there are studies out there that you can make these windows thermally efficient -US Dept of Energy, Homebuilders Associations, we have that data. So, the question of can we make them thermally efficient has been answered and it's yes. DeFrees: With alterations. Zeiger: No, with an internal storm window. Which thepetitioner doesn't want. All I'm doing is addressing your question. There are ways to make them more thermally efficient without ripping them out. I understand your position on the interior storms and we don't have anyplace to go in the interior, but yes we can make them more efficient. If you're about thermal efficiency that's 14 fine, but if you're looking at payback costs, that's a whole nother matter. When the argon gas leaks out and the seals are broken. You don't weigh those costs. DeFrees: I disagree with you. (Unintelligible due to distance from the microphone) I would like to have the windows just as they are, but no matter what we do we're going to alter them in some way. To what degree, what is the dividing line... do we deny them the change that would help preserve the room or do we take the chance of it collapsing. Klusezinski: We have to be cautious because otherwise you're opening the door to everyone's best effort and you're throwing away this that is very objective for us to use. DeFrees: (Unintelligible due to distance from the microphone) I'm not here to argue with anyone, I'm here to learn. Klusezinski: Anyone else to speak in support? D Sporleder: Professor of Architecture Emeritus, University of Notre Dame, I do want to speak in favor of the petition and on the point that it does seem to me to be of value to have the experimental data right on the table as the Commission addresses these issues. It's important to keep clear the strength in a quality base on which one works. The standards and guidelines are important, but sometimes taking a second look is warranted. Klusczinski: Any member of the public wishing to speak in opposition? Doolitte: Wayne Doolittle, President Chapin Park Neighborhood Association. For my way of understanding this there's no reason to have a test because it's flawed I'm always surprised when there are other alternatives available even if you don't like them specifically, they are still available and those things might be permitted. We can not, with those guidelines, we can not change those windows. You must have the exact windows. There are exact copies with a dual pane, you don't change the profile at the sill. Speaking for me, the neighborhood, and others on the board, there's no way that this should be allowed. If you allow it, then you have lost the battle. Anybody else can put whatever they want in their houses. Once you say yes, you've lost everybody else. That's what you're looking out. Do we throw out anything that has to do with preservation. There are certain things that go along with it. You correct your problems or you sell it. It's constant repair, I've been in mine 31 years and I'm still working on it. I think there are other alternative, but I think that we've come to a point... in the standards it says you can't do that. They say no, you can't do it. We don't need to argue at all. There are other ways. I don't think that it should pass. Uj dak: Will you read the standards again? Klusczinski: There are pages in the Chapin Park book that pertain. Certain pages defer anything more stringent to landmark guidelines first. This house has been a local landmark since 197311974, and CP was established in March 2005. So the Group B standards say that the building must be maintained as is or preferably returned to the original. Ujdak: Ijust wanted that to be clear. Peterson: Just a reminder again, your job is to determine if the application is appropriate, in light of the guidelines, the district and the house. Is there a detriment to the public if this is allowed. And finally is there a hardship in denying it. Those are the three factors. When you vote, you will have to say why, say your rationale for denying. This application, by testimony, dictates that you are trying to find a solution that's undefined. In that way, I'd view it as somewhat a conditional C of A, that is an exit strategy must already be applied. What's the security that the Commission has that the removal-will occur.-Since they're looking to solve a larger and undefined problem here, you should consider that. If you believe that's how it's been portrayed to you. Klusczinski: Thank you Shawn, let me close public hearing right now. Any additional discussion? Linda? Riley: I'm almost afraid to say this, but why couldn't the window be altered by putting a second. pane ofglass when you reglaze it. Klusczinski: The short answer to that Linda is that what they've done with modern windows is that they've eliminated the gap where a storm would sit, removing the insulating quality of the window. 15 Discussion of modern window building techniques transpires here among Commissioners Klusczinski, Sporleder, Riley. Klusczinski: Discussion is closed, I'll entertain a motion. Zeiger: I'll make a motion to deny C ofA 2007-0905A as it's not in keeping with Chapin Park standards and it's landmark standards, and this is a permanent removal of original fabric of an outstanding rated building, and I think that that is a significant alteration, and I don't find the proposed sash to be replicative of what's there. Choitz: I second. Peterson: Because there's a motion on the table to deny, you will need a roll call vote, listing your reasons... Klusczinski: And ayes are denial. Patrick: Before we vote on this, may I interject one thought? I really liked Shawn's comment about if you wanted to just restore the one and then judge that might tell him that he didn't need to do... Klusczinski: But there's already a motion on the table. Patrick: There's already a motion on the table. Riley: Would you repeat that motion, and what we're actually... Zeiger: The motion is fairly simple: deny C ofA... Riley: Deny, you said? Zeiger: Correct, and I stated my reasons, but do I do it again now or when I vote? Peterson: When you vote. Klusczinski: And it was seconded by Martha. We'll begin with roll call then. Motion is to deny Certificate of Appropriateness 2007-0905A. Jerry? Ujdak: I vote for the motion to deny the Certificate. Klusczinski: Could you state your reason to deny? Ujdak: On the basis that it does not follow the established rules. Sporleder: I vote against this proposal because I think that the proposal is much in the keeping with the spirit of the Commission in trying to solve sensible solutions to difficult problems. I think that it's an appropriate and accommodating approach finding a solution to a sticky set of circumstances which we're going to face over and over again. Klusczinski: Thank you. Martha? Choitz: I vote against the Certificate, because I do believe that our rules are perfectly understandable and they will open up wide an unnecessary thing like tonight over and over and over as long as they've done it very simply. You do have to work as a group in a situation of that kind, in a landmark. I could go on forever, and I usually do. Zeiger: My vote is in favor of the motion against the C ofA. I think that this is a permanent removal ofsignificant original fabric- this is a significant change to this outstanding rated building, and I find that the proposed replacement window unit is not matching the configuration of the sash and therefore against the guidelines as adopted. Klusczinski: Tim Klusczinksi, I vote in favor of the motion to deny. This particular C of A proposes an experiment which has indefinite limits, is designed to establish a precedent that conflicts for the guidebooks for the Chapin Park historic district, in my opinion, and also for the Group B Landmark standards. The example for replacement is not in-kind to the existing material, and I'd also echo everything else that Todd spoke to. Patrick: Lynn Patrick, voting in javor of the motion to deny the Certi icate of Appropriateness because it is not consistent with the Chapin Park guidelines. Riley: Linda Riley voting against the proposal to deny. I think that the proposal is trying to work with us, and it really doesn't look that much different, I can't see a problem. 16 Herdman: Your total, Chair is 5-2. Klusczinski: 5-2, so the motion to deny carries. Moved: Zeiger Second: Motion to deny C of A 2007-0905A Approved B. LANDMARKS — None. H. REGULAR BUSINESS A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES August 20, 2007 Moved: Hostetler Second: Approved B. TREASURER'S REPORT 5 votes to 2 Accepted into record as presented, dated August 31, 2007 C. STAFF REPORTS 1. Correspondence Zeiger: None. 2. Director — Catherine Hostetler Patrick: Distributed to Commission. 3. Assistant Director — Amy Herdman Riley: Distributed to Commission. 4. Legal Counsel — Shawn Peterson None. D. COMMITTEE REPORTS Choitz 5 votes to 2 Ujdak: Aye Choitz: Aye Zeiger: Aye Klusczinski: Aye Patrick: Aye Sporleder: Nay Riley: Nay Patrick Unanimously Sporleder Abstaining 1. President's Report — Tim Klusczinski President Klusczinski announced that Sandy Rossow has been appointed a Citizen Member of the Landmarks Committee of the HPC. III. OLD BUSINESS IV. NEW BUSINESS Director Hostetler requested permission for Director and Assistant Director to attend Cornelius O'Brien conference in Richmond, IN in October 2007. Moved: Zeiger Second: Patrick Approved Unanimously V. HEARING OF VISITORS Don Sporleder: A reminder that the University Club closes permanently on September 22, 2007. Save the Dunes will hold their annual meeting on October 7`h between 24pm. Also, the Urban Forest Council will meet in Brown County on October 10`h. 17 ADJOURNMENT 9:10 pm Moved: Riley Second: Approved: Attest: Choitz Unanimously Todd Zeiger, Date Secretary, Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County Location Budget as of 09-30-2007 Saint Joseph County Note: Includes transactions after the last posted date of 07-01-2007. Fund: 001 County General for 01/01/2007 thru 09/30/2007 Loc: 037 Historic Preservation Account Original Addt'VAdj Total Unencumbered Unexpended Object Description Appropriation Appropriation Appropriation Encumbrance Expenditure Balance/Percent Balance/Percent 11075 Deputy Director 30,000.00 0.00 30,000.00 0.00 21,923.15 8,076.85 8,076.85 000 General GovT. 26.92 26.92 11309 Historic Preservation Admin. 36,050.00 0.00 36,050.00 0.00 26,344.26 9,705.74 9,705.74 000 General GovT. 26.92 26.92 10000 Totals """""""""""""..... " 66,050.00 0.00 66,050.00 0.00 48,267.41 17,782.59 17,782.59 26.92 26.92 21030. Office Supplies 1,250.00 59.50 1,309.50 0.00 300.19 1,009.31 1,009.31 000 General GovT. 77.08 77.08 22010 Gas Oil & Lubricants 883.00 0.00 883.00 0.00 483.87 399.13 399.13 000 General GovT. 45.20 45.20 22120 Garage & Motor Supplies 700.00 0.00 700.00 0.00 528.53 171.47 171.47 000 General GovT. 24.50 24.50 20000 Totals """""""""'::"""""""""' 2,833.00 59.50 2,892.50 0.00 - 1,312.59 1,579.91 1,579.91 54.62 54.62 31070 Other Contractual Services 28,000.00 0.00 28,000.00 0.00 21,403.58 6,596.42 6,596.42 000 General GovT. 23.56 23.56 32020 Travel 425.00 1,129.00 1,554.00 0.00 1,554.00 0.00 0.00 000 General GovT. 0.00 0.00 32050 Instruction & Training 1,000.00 150.00 1,150.00 0.00 225.00 925.00 925.00 000 General GovT. 80.43 80.43 32053 Public Relations 2,570.00 638.82 3,208.82 0.00 3,151.52 57.30 57.30 000 General GovT. 1.79 1.79 32200 Telephone 160.00 0.00 160.00 0.00 0.00 160.00 160.00 000 General GovT. 100.00 100.00 32350 Postage 2,160.00 400.36 2,560.36 0.00 1,840.40 719.96 719.96 000 General GovT. 28.12 28.12 33010 Publication Of Legal Notices 500.00 0.00 500.00 0.00 98.60 401.40 401.40 000 General GovT. 80.28 80.28 User ID KSOBECKI 10/01/2007 12:48 PM Page 80 Location Budget as of 09-30-2007 Note: Includes transactions after the last posted date of 07-01-2007. Fund: 001 County General for 01/01/2007 thru 09/30/2007 Loc: 037 Historic Preservation Account Total Original Object Description Appropriation 33100 Printing 3,000.00 000 General GovT. Balance/Percent 37100 Auto Lease 500.00 000 General GovT. 7,960.02 39010 Dues & Subscription 750.00 000 General Gov T. 93.05 39600 Refunds, Awards & Indemnities 0.00 000 General GovT. 500.00 39750 Data Processing 1,000.00 000 General Gov'T. 100.00 39980 Funds W/O Approp. 0.00 000 General GovT. 405.05 30000 Totals""""""...... """ 40,065.00 42010 Buildings & Structures 0.00 367 Gifts&Contrib 0.00 44250 Office Machines 0.00 000 General GovT. 40000 Totals """""""""""""""""""" 0.00 Location Totals """"""""""""""""""""' 108,948.00 Investment Accounts Transfer Accounts Saint Joseph County Addt'VAdj Total Unencumbered Unexpended Appropriation Appropriation Encumbrance Expenditure Balance/Percent Balance/Percent 5,555.00 8,555.00 5,528.00 594.98 2,432.02 7,960.02 28.43 93.05 0.00 500.00 0.00 0.00 500.00 500.00 100.00 100.00 0.00 750.00 0.00 344.95 405.05 405.05 54.01 54.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 22,762.58 (22,762.58) (22,762.58) 0.00 0.00 0.00 1,000.00 0.00 0.00 1,000.00 1,000.00 100.00 100.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 12,391.75 (12,391.75) (12,391.75) 0.00 0.00 7,873.18 47,938.18 5,528.00 64,367.36 (21,957.18) (16,429.18) (45.80) (34.27) 30,000.00 30,000.00 0.00 30,000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 3,651.82 3,651.82 0.00 3,651.82 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 33,651.82 33,651.82 0.00 33,651.82 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 41,584.50 150,532.50 5,528.00 147,599.18 (2,594.68) 2,933.32 (1.72) 1.95 0.00 0.00 147,599.18 User ID KSOBECKI 10/01/2007 12:48 PM Page 81 Location Budget as of 09-30-2007 Unencumbered Note: Includes transactions after the last posted date of 07-01-2007. Encumbrance ,Expenditure Fund: 013 County Special Gifts for 01/01/2007 thru 09/30/2007 Balance/Percent 0.00 Loc: 037 Historic Preservation 9,028.25 9,028.25 Account Original Addt'VAdj Object Description Appropriation Appropriation 00000 Gen Gov't 0.00 9,028.25 000 General GovT. 100.00 00000 Totals """""""""""""""""""" 0.00 9,028.25 23240 Other Supplies 0.00 2,606.00 000 General GovT. 100.00 100.00 20000 Totals """"""""""""""""""""" 0.00 2,606.00 42010 Buildings & Structures 0.00 52,000.00 367 Gifts&Contrib 100.00 0.00 40000 Totals """""""""""""""""""" 0.00 52,000.00 Location Totals """""""""""""""""""""' 0.00 63,634.25 Investment Accounts 0.00 30,000.00 Transfer Accounts 22,000.00 c Total Appropriation 9,028.25 9,028.25 2,606.00 2,606.00 52,000.00 52,000.00 63,634.25 Saint Joseph County User ID KSOBECKI 10/01/2007 12:48 PM Page 153 Unencumbered Unexpended Encumbrance ,Expenditure Balance/Percent Balance/Percent 0.00 0.00 9,028.25 9,028.25 100.00 100.00 0.00 0.00 9,028.25 9,028.25 100.00 100.00 0.00 0.00 2,606.00 2,606.00 100.00 100.00 0.00 0.00 2,606.00 2,606.00 - 100.00 100.00 0.00 30,000.00 22,000.00 22,000.00 42.31 42.31 0.00 30,000.00 22,000.00 22,000.00 42.31 42.31 0.00 30,000.00 33,634.25 33,634.25 52.86 52.86 0.00 0.00 30,000.00 User ID KSOBECKI 10/01/2007 12:48 PM Page 153 Director's Report October, 2007 The past month has been spent working on the editing of the City Survey which has been an endlessly excruciating and time consuming task. It is still incomplete. The department completed its 2008 Budget. It was again reduced about 4% and the Office will be working with a $105,548.00 budget. That figure includes $25,000.00 from the City of South Bend There have been on-going meetings and communications concerning the landmarking of Marquette School with members of the public, Common Council and School Board I was also on vacation from September 24 through October 2. However, I did meet with Dr. Enderle on October 2 concerning his windows. He world like the Landmarks Committee or Standards and Maintenance Committee to tell him specifically what the Commission will allow him to do with his windows. That Committee meeting needs to be set up very soon. MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION OF SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY October 15, 2007 1P Floor Conference Room County — City Building, South Bend, Indiana Members Present: Joann Sporleder, Timothy Klusczinski, Mary Jane Chase, Lynn Patrick; Linda Riley Members Absent: Jerry Ujdak, Martha Choitz, Todd Zeiger Staff Present: Catherine Hostetler, Amy Herdman, Shawn Peterson Also Present: Michael L. Smith, John and Tern Califano, Beth Harsch, Don Sporleder, Teresa Greene CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL: President Tim Klusczinski called to order at 7:02 pm I. PUBLIC HEARING Application Number: 2007-0912A Property Location: 1212 E. Jefferson Property Owner: Terri and John Califano Landmark or District Designation: E. Wayne Street LHD Rating: Non Contributing STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: This split level ranch was built between 1958 and 1960 by Hazel and Merle Rusk. Mr. Rusk was a salesman with Ben Fefferman. APPLICATION ITEMS: 9'x18' wood deck at rear of house per attached site plan. EAST WAYNE STREET STANDARDS: I The Environment, B. Building site, Landscaping and Accessories. Required: major landscaping items, fencing, walkways, private yard lights, signs (house numbers) and benches which reflect the property's history and development shall be retained. Dominant land contours shall be retained. Structures such as gazebos, patio decks, fixed barbecue pits, swimming pools, tennis courts, greenhouses, new walls, fountains, fixed garden furniture, trellises and other similar structures shall be compatible to the historic character of the site and the neighborhood and inconspicuous when viewed from a public walkway. RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends approval as the deck will not be visible from the street and will be compatible with the house. Klusczinksi: For the record, if you could please state your name and address. J Califano: John Califano, 1212 E Jefferson. T Califano:Terri Califano. Klusczinski: Would you care to make a presentation on C of A 2007-0912A? T Califano: Do we need to say anything? Patrick: Sometimes people want to say something. J Califano: It's pretty basic, we need some functionality. There is a large step that drops off the back so we need to build it up and the deck provides the function of an easy walkway and to step out of the house. Klusczinski: Ok. T Califano: And it goes with #2, to get down to the pool. Chase: I see it's treated oak (?). Klusczinski: Very good Anything else? Any Commissioners with comments? Chase: I see that it's treated wood, is it going to be painted or stained? T Califano: Probably stained. Klusczinski: Are there any other decks, just to get a sense of the neighborhood, that you're aware of in the environment. J Califano: The house on one side has a deck in the back, but it is hidden. On the other side there is a gazebo and you can't make out if there is a deck as well because of the foliage. Klusczinski: That's all I had, any other questions? Sporleder: Yes, I have one. This isn't related directly to the deck, but looking at your site plan, how do you get from the deck to the pool? Is this grass or paved? J Califano: It's grass currently. Sporleder: Do you intend to eventually pave it at all? Make it so a paved area connects to the back? T Califano: We'll probably landscape it somehow to make a walkway down to there. Sporleder: Ok, that's irrelevant I suppose. T Califano: We haven't gotten that far yet. Sporleder: I guess that I was wondering why the deck wasn't big enough to reach to the pool or something like that. T Califano: We have to wait for the pool people to decide exactly where they're going to locate. They were out there once and said that the general location was fine, but they may have to move it a bit if they find big stumps or something. Sporleder: Is there any current landscaping there that needs to be removed? J Califano: Weeds. Sporleder: Ok. So you're not expecting any big stumps? T Califano: Well, we'd heard that there was a big tree there once that fell on the house. But you know the neighbors always have different stories to tell you so you don't know what's true or not. Klusczinski: Any other questions? Any discussion among Commissioners? Chair opens public hearing. Any member of the public wishing to speak in favor of the petition? Seeing none. Any member of the public wishing to speak in opposition? Also hearing none, I close public hearing. Any other questions? What is the board's pleasure? Riley: I move that we approve application 2007-0912A. Sporleder: Second. Klusczinski: Motion has been made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor? (Ayes are heard) Opposed? (Silence) Motion carries unanimously. Moved: Riley Second: Sporleder To approve C of A 2007-0912A Approved Unanimously Application Number: 2007-0912B Property Location: 1212 E. Jefferson Property Owner: Terri and John Califano Landmark or District Designation: E. Wayne Street LHD Rating: Non Contributing STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCEMISTORIC CONTEXT: This split level ranch was built between 1958 and 1960 by Hazel and Merle Rusk. Mr. Rusk was a salesman with Ben Fefferman APPLICATION ITEMS: 16 x 32 In -ground pool with concrete floor, steel walls and vinyl liner EAST WAYNE STREET STANDARDS: I The Environment, B. Building site, Landscaping and Accessories. Required: major landscaping items, fencing, walkways, private yard lights, signs (house numbers) a nd benches which reflect the property's history and development shall be retained. Dominant land contours shall be retained. Structures such as gazebos, patio decks, fixed barbecue pits, swimming pools, tennis courts, greenhouses, new walls, fountains, fixed garden furniture, trellises and other similar structures shall be compatible to the historic character of the site and the neighborhood and inconspicuous when viewed from a public -walkway. RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends approval as the pool will not be visible from the street and will be compatible with the era of the house when in -ground pools were in vogue. Klusczinski: Would the petitioners like to make a presentation? J Califano: It's pretty straightforward. Klusczinski: It's a formality, I apologize. 2 T Califano: You can join us if you want. Klusczinski: The Chair recognizes any Commissioners with questions for the applicants. Hearing none, I'll move ahead for discussion. Any discussion Commission? Hearing none, the Chair opens public hearing. Any member of the public wishing to speak in support of application 2007-0912B? Any member of the public wishing to speak in opposition to 2007-0912B? Also hearing none, Chair closes public hearing. It's getting easier. Any other discussion? Verygood. Riley: I make a motion that we approve 2007-0912B. Klusczinski: Motion has been made is there a second? Sporleder: I'll second it. Klusczinski: Made and seconded. Any additional discussion. Hearing none, all in favor? (Ayes are heard). Opposed? (Silence) Motion carries unanimously. Moved: Riley Second: Sporleder To approve C of A 2007-0912B Approved Unanimously Application Number: 2007-1004A Property Location: 1212 E. Jefferson Property Owner: Terri and John Califano Landmark or District Designation: E. Wayne Street LHD Rating: Non Contributing STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: This split level ranch was built between 1958 and 1960 by Hazel and Merle Rusk. Mr. Rusk was a salesman with Ben Fefferman APPLICATION ITEMS: 1. Replace old aluminum windows that have oxidized, are non-functional and have missing and broken screens and storms with Kolbe wood replacement window insert sashes, not frames. 2. Replace front door and all screen (storm) doors. EAST WAYNE STREET STANDARDS: II Existing Structures, C. Windows and Doors: Required: Original windows and doors shall be retained including sashes, lintels, sills, shutters, decorative glass, pediments, hoods and hardware. When deteriorated beyond repair, they shall be replaced with units and trim resembling the original. Recommended: Wood frame storm windows and doors painted to match the original should be used but should not damage existing frames. If new sashes or doors are installed, the existing or original materials, design and hardware should be used. When metal or storm doors are used they should be painted, anodized or coated to match the existing. When awnings are used, they should be of canvas material. Prohibited: Original doors, windows and hardware shall not be discarded when they can be restored and re- used in place. New window and door openings which would alter the scale and proportion of the building shall not be introduced. Inappropriate new window and door features such as aluminum insulating glass combinations that require removal of the original windows and doors shall not be installed. RECOMMENDATION: 1. The homeowners wish to replace the current original windows with more efficient and convenient wood replicas. Staff does not recommend approval as the originals are still in good shape and can be repaired. 2. The homeowners wish to replace a non -original door that is warped and difficult to open with a design in keeping with the exterior of the house and use a full view storm/screen storm door to replace one that is not working correctly. Staff recommends approval of this item. Klusczinski: Thank you Catherine, care to make a presentation? J Califano: On the door, the door is not original, and it's also hollow core. Klusczinski: Definitely not original. J Califano: A full view storm door would add to the look of the house as well. In regard to the windows, if we wish to, I guess I'm a little confused, if we're able to replicate the original ones, is there a problem in replacing that? We've done more research since Wayne and Catherine came out... Klusczinski: I had one question that might lead to that. The application items are to replace old aluminum windows that have oxidized and down here under recommendations it says that the homeowners wish to replace the current original windows with wood replicas. Are we talking two different window styles here? 3 T Califano: This is our learning curve. It has a screen on it and a window. J Califano: They're aluminum storms. Hostetler: They're old aluminum storms. And there's the wood windows on the inside. What they want to do is get the Kolbe ones that replace both of those items so that you don't have the aluminum storm windows and you've got this systems replacing the other two systems. The original window plus the storm. Klusczinski: All in one. Sporleder: So, the original windows are wood windows? That's sort of the way that it looks here. Hostetler: Yes. Sporleder: And they're single pane and they're cold? Are they drafty? T Califano: We haven't been in there a winter yet to say for sure. Sporleder: So your intention is to put in insulated glass. How do these windows work? They're just double hung? T Califano: They're just double hung with an additional mullion. I've learned. Sporleder: You can get that mullion to go all the way across. T Califano: A friend of ours owns (?) Wholesale, and he can make it match exactly what it is. They do the Kolbe and Kolbe windows. They're a distributor. Sporleder: Ok, and if you did that then you'd take off the aluminum things all together? Can you tell whether the aluminum storms are original with the frame? T Califano: I think the ones that are there probably are. Sporleder: Or have they been installed...? Chase: I wouldn't say they're original. Hostetler: I don't think that they're original. I really don't. Sporleder: Because single pane glass is extremely uncomfortable to live next to. Klusczinski: Any other questions for the petitioner? Sporleder: So did we resolve whether or not the aluminum storms and screens are original or if they were something added? What is the frame work here, is this wood? T Califano: Yes. J Califano: Ah, there's the aluminum right here. And that's the window that's back in here? Sporleder: And if you go... J Califano: This right here is aluminum. Sporleder: Let's go back to this picture. The frame around the window is wood? J Califano: The center post is wood, right. Sporleder: And the sills are wood? J Califano: Correct. And they just screwed in the storm, the aluminum storm. Sporleder: Ok, well you know we're back to this dilemma of making somebody restore single pane glass because that's what's there, or whether you allow them to put in more comfortable windows that are more thermally efficient. Klusczinski: The other thing Joann is that this is a non-contributing house. Sporleder: Well... Klusczinski: So there is some latitude there. I'm generally of the mind myself to always encourage folks to rehabilitate their existing windows. T Califano: We like the design of the windows and we're glad that Catherine came out and said that it would be nice to keep that extra little mullion there. Because she's right, it looks neat, it's not something that you see in all houses. The inside of the house is what really makes it unique, there's no trim on the inside of the windows the plaster goes all the way around so we really didn't want to do anything to disturb that. So the replacement is the way that we wanted to go as not -to disturb the inside.—It=s-hard to paint, -but -it -looks neat. Klusczinski: Any other questions? Sporleder: Yes, are you intending to do this with all the windows in the house? How many are we talking about here? T Califano: I think that there are 24. Sporleder: And they're all in triplets? Groups of 3? 0 T Califano: Just the front window is the group of 3. A picture window in the front and one on each side. Otherwise, there are either two double hungs next to each other or single double hungs. Sporleder: So what are you thinking about doing with the picture window? Hostetler: It's a fixed window. J Califano: It's a fixed window with two double hungs on each side. Hostetler: It's not a picture window like a flat plain piece ofglass. Sporleder: So, it's not a picture window, it's just a fixed piece ofglass. And these other two...? Chase: Our picture has the garage, so that window, we didn't... Hostetler: Here. You don't have this? Chase: Oh, the bottom one? T Califano: Oh, I used the wrong term, sorry. Chase: No problem. Klusezinski: Ok, Joann, does that...? Sporleder: So when you, the application, which is not altogether clear about how many windows are going to be replaced... Chase: Number doesn't matter, does it? Hostetler: All of them. Klusczinski: As long as there are no additional questions for the petitioner, I open it up for Commission discussion. Riley: I'd like to applaud you for taking on this house and trying to improve it, Ilive on E Wayne St. and I know the house well and it's quite run down and anything that you do will be a benefit. T Califano: Our neighbors have thanked us. We figure we're moving in the right direction when they stop by. Riley: I think that you're doing a great job and I want to say that from the standpoint of the neighborhood. As far as it being not recommended by the staff, I would recommend that we do approve this with the wood window replacement because it is a non-contributing house and it will look 100% better than it does now. And, if they want to put in good wood windows, then I think that we should approve it. Sporleder: However the standards say that they, that original windows are to be maintained, so I don't know how you get... Chase: It's non-contributing. Sporleder: The standards are for the neighborhood, it's not... Klusczinski: Are these windows are in a state of deterioration? Hostetler: We didn't think so. Klusczinski: We didn't think so. It would be easier for us to make that recommendation if they were. Sporleder: I guess I'm looking for some guidance of how you get around what the standards actually say because we've run into this before. I don't think that you can pick and choose which standards to follow for one house and then not another house in the same neighborhood despite the fact that they are rated differently. It's the neighborhood that goes together as a neighborhood I mean that's the point. Hostetler: The Commission has approved replacement windows in the E Wayne St. neighborhood, for casement windows and most recently in the Soderberg's house. Klusczinski: So there's precedent. Hearing no other discussion, I open the public hearing. Any member of the public wishing to speak in support of the current petition? Could you come up here closer to the microphone and state your name and address? Harsch: My name is Barb Harsch and I'm at 833 S 28Th Street. I don't live in their neighborhood, but I live in South Bend, and as a homeowner I would hope that you allow them to make improvements to the home that's going to benefit the neighborhood as well as make their home more energy ejficient. That, to me, should take precedent over the standards that I'm not familiar with, which I apologize, but that should take precedent. We all have to live here and should do what's best for the whole community. E Klusczinski: Thank you very much. Anyone else? Any member of the public wishing to speak in opposition to the current petition? Hearing none, Chair closes public hearing. Any other Commission discussion. Sporleder: I'd like guidance from Counsel on how you get around what the standards say. Peterson: I'm not sure that you're getting around it, as we've talked about it before, your job is to decide based upon factors is this an appropriate addition here. And you also look at what is the detriment to the public in allowing it, and what might be the hardship on the applicant and you weigh those to determine whether or not you approve a Certificate of Appropriateness or not. In looking at what is appropriate, you look to the guidelines, and the guidelines help inform you as to what is an inappropriate or appropriate assistance for it. And, I think as you look in the guidelines you all see that the rating system is important too because the more significant a structure will help determine what is appropriate for that structure. If you look to the guidelines for that, it's guidance for what is appropriate and what's not. So, weighing those factors, you decide whether or not you should approve this. From my view, if you choose to deny, you need to state your reasons for it, and find facts that it is 1. not appropriate, that the detriment is not sufficient to allow it, and that the potential hardship is not there either. Riley: By not approving this request to replace the windows with wood, it's exactly what upsets the neighborhood. I'm going online for this, but when we don't approve something like this that will beauty the house they are objecting to HPC dictating what they do. We have a lot ofpeople that are opposed to being historic because of this and it's generally the windows that people are upset about. Sporleder: It's always the windows. We can overcome almost everything else. I would like to suggest to the neighborhood, just as an aside, that they have a neighborhood meeting and review their standards and modem them accordingly. They can do that, and they can present the modified standards to the preservation commission which will give us somewhat more leeway. The words are, unfortunately, because I would just as soon approve the wood windows as not, the wording is quite specific in this case. Klusczinski: And I would make observation that the windows for this era of house are not potentially old growth like some of the older properties that we have which is one of my key reasons for always promoting the original windows for the structure. So, I see it as less of a difference right now, so I see how we could make that transition but I would still always encourage and recommend that homeowners keep the windows that are there if they haven't deteriorated beyond repair. Specifically addressing the comment from the public, you can achieve high energy efficiency with existing wood windows and storms. It's a fallacy that it can't happen and that you must have argon to achieve it. We do remain sensitive to energy efficiency because it's an endeavor to try and make the historic properties that we all live in useable and sustainable into the future. So, having said that, this is a dual purpose C of A that has two components to it. One is the suggested replacement of the original windows that are not deteriorated beyond repair, in a non-contributing house, and there is also a front door replacement here for a door that isn't original and is deteriorated beyond repair. So if there is a distinction that we make sure that we specify what our objections are or our preferences are for each of these things as we make our vote and recommendation. Did you have any final... ? Chase: We do have precedent by allowing replacement in other homes in the area, so this would not be selective precedent of selective allowing or disallowing as this has happened before. I don't see that this would be the first in the area and it may happen again. But, as you suggested, if you have a problem, perhaps go over the wording then this would be taken care of. Sporleder: But here's probably not time to do that right this minute. Klusczinski: No, there won't be. Riley: If_this_were_a_contributing_house_of course you'd _want_...T don -'t-think-that-its-necessary- Sp orleder: t-think-that-its-necessary_Sporleder: Even if it were a contributing house and you were consigning someone to live with a single paned window and aluminum storms are not terribly efficient, which I know from personal experience, that we're still stuck with the other person's observation that we're trying to make things livable in the current day situation. So, I guess I'd like to go back to what Shawn stated 0 the three categories that need to be looked at and see how they need to be manipulated to allow them to have these windows. Klusczinski: Any other discussion? Would you care to make any comments to that Shawn? Peterson: As a governing body, your role is to decide which of those three tests are met and/or how they're met. You can vote and speck your reasons on those three elements. Sporleder: I'll move that we accept 2007-1004A. I vote to approve it even though it doesn't follow the standards as there is no detriment to the public in so doing. Riley: Second. Klusczinski: Motion has been made and seconded inclusive of both components windows and doors. Any further discussion? Hearing none- all in favor? (Ayes are heard) Opposed? (Silence) Motion carries unanimously. Moved; Sporleder Second:. Riley To approve C of A 2007-1004A Approved, Unanimously Application Number: 2007-1004B Property Location: 1212 E. Jefferson Property Owner: Terri and John Califano Landmark or District Designation: E. Wayne Street LHD Rating: Non Contributing STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: This split level ranch was built between 1958 and 1960 by Hazel and Merle Rusk. Mr. Rusk was a salesman with Ben Fefferman APPLICATION ITEMS: 1. Remove old asphalt driveway and replace with concrete which it was originally. 2. Replace wooden garage doors with steel insulated automotive doors. EAST WAYNE STREET STANDARDS: II Existing Structures, C. Windows and Doors: Required: Original windows and doors shall be retained including sashes, lintels, sills, shutters, decorative glass, pediments, hoods and hardware. When deteriorated beyond repair, they shall be replaced with units and trim resembling the original. Recommended. Wood frame storm windows and doors painted to match the original should be used but should not damage existing frames. If new sashes or doors are installed, the existing or original materials, design and hardware should be used. When metal or storm doors are used they should be painted, anodized or coated to match the existing. When awnings are used, they should be of canvas material. Prohibited. Original doors, windows and hardware shall not be discarded when they can be restored and re- used in place. New window and door openings which would alter the scale and proportion of the building shall not be introduced. Inappropriate new window and door features such as aluminum insulating glass combinations that require removal of the original windows and doors shall not be installed. RECOMMENDATION: 1. The staff recommends approval as it restores and original feature of the site of the house. 2. Staff recommends approval as the doors are deteriorated and the new steel doors will replicate the original wood panels. T Califano: The driveway may not happen until next year, just to forewarn you. The asphalt - they just put an inch or an inch and a half over what was there already and it makes the water go into the garage, and we have to do something because it keeps getting wet. We don't know what the concrete looks like underneath, so it could be a surprise. Everything in that house has been a surprise. Klusczinski: Any other questions for the applicants? Hearing none, we move to Commission discussion. Initial thoughts? Ok, public hearing. Anyone in the public wishing to speak in support of the current petition? Hearing none. Anyone in the public wishing to speak in opposition? Also hearing none. Chair closes public hearing. Any other comments, discussion, comments? What is the board's pleasure? Riley: I make a motion that we approve 2007-1004B. Klusczinski: Motion has been made, is there a second? Chase: Second. V7 Klusczinski: Made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor? (Ayes are heard) Opposed? (Silence) Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much, congratulations. T Califano: Thank you all. Moved: Riley Second: Chase To approve C of A 2007-1004B Approved Unanimously Application Number C of A 2007-0904 Property Location: 101 S. Lafayette Blvd/ 302 W. Washington St. Landmark/District: Downtown Multi Use NR District, Local Landmark Rating: Significant At the regularly scheduled meeting of the HPC on September 17, 2007 the above referenced C of A was tabled by unanimous vote and Staff was charged with assisting the petitioner to find a both creative and acceptable solution to the dire situation regarding the roof of the structure. What follows is a synopsis of that work. ■ On Friday, September 28, 2007 Preservation Specialist Wayne Doolittle arranged a meeting between representatives of the congregation, himself, Amy Herdman, and Mike Smith, a roofing contractor with 20 years experience working with slate roofs- notably those at Notre Dame. After a brief misunderstanding regarding access to the building to survey the damage caused by the brittle failing slate roof, Mike Smith, Amy Herdman and Reverend Joseph Stanford walked both around and through the structure. That tour of the interior, revealed significant water damage occurring throughout the structure, rendering the interior architecture elements at great risk, as well as exterior items such as their stained glass windows. The sanctuary ceiling is linden wood and black ash, virtually irreplaceable. Below the peeling paint of the ceiling and walls, sit 66 delicately carved cherry pews. The massive pipe organ, a give of the Oliver children in memory of their father, is dusty with paint flakes and crumbled plaster. Interior masonry is calcifying and accumulating in crumbly piles, threatening windows and walls. Hand painted mosaic tiles by the dozens in entry ways have been lost. Beneath layers of paint, original frescoes may be lost due to water damage to the plaster. • Reverend Stanford apologized profusely for any work done in error and is very amenable to all suggestions and assistance. • In subsequent conversations, Mike Smith offered to assist the church by purchasing slate materials for installation at wholesale cost. Mr. Smith also agreed to do the slate work, with a budget TBD. Mr. Smith was very emphatic though that something must be done to protect the structure during the approaching winter weather, or the structure could be at risk for catastrophic failure, or cause injury to anyone inside the building. A temporary solution was suggested to hopefully satisfy all parties involved. Mr. Smith, with the assistance of another contractor, have volunteered their services for this project, should the HPC approve the plan. That information follows: 1. With the permission of Reverend Joseph Stanford, this C of A should be modified to a temporary or conditional C of A. The C of A seeks permission to temporarily remove slate shingles in the most dire areas of failure, ie: the flashing around the chimney and on the flat roof of the 1909 addition on the West side of the building, to facilitate the repair of the decking and replacement of underlayment to then be TEMPORARILY roofed with asphalt shingles that will be selected to blend in as much as possible to the remaining slates. The petitioner understands that this work is meant only to be a temporary solution as a means of protection from winter weather and that slates must be restored, no less than one year from the date of this C of A. Mike Smith Roofing will be the contractor on a purely voluntary basis. No volunteer parishioners will be utilized, and the temporary patch work will be completed expediently for maximum benefit to the structure. • As of 10/5/2007, Ambassadors for Christ have applied for an Indiana Preservation -Grant-through-HL-FI's NRO -to -fund a -thorough -building assessment to identify the most urgent needs of the building, and begin the lengthy process of drafting a preservation plan. Funds have been verified in the General Fund of Ambassadors for Christ to satisfy the matching requirement. Results of that application will be known by the HPC meeting on 10/15/2007. E Statement of Significance: 1. The original congregation was founded by Horation Chapin in 1834. 2. James Oliver, Clem Studebaker and the parishioners circa 1887 split the cost of the building 3 ways; total cost to build: $30-35,000. 3. Generations of Studebakers and Olivers worshipped, were married, and eulogized in this building. 4. The church was the site of Schuyler Colfax's memorial service. 5. The interior and exterior fabric of the building is virtually irreplaceable. 6. Beneath layers of paint (begun with a 1940 "renovation") lay frescoes of various, scenes and subjects. 7. 12'+ doors are double sided: cherry on one side, black ash on the other. 8. JD Oliver's children donated the pipe organ, still in tact, as a tribute to their father. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of this amended C of A. Consider: 1. Is approving this C of A congruent with the mission of the HPC? • Yes. Without exaggeration, the building is on the brink of significant collapse or failure. This C of A will assist in the mitigation of possible damage due to the impending winter weather. The petitioner understands that the application of the shingles is absolutely temporary, and is meant only to allow for fundraising and temporary protection of the structure. 2. Is there potential detriment to the district or the surrounding built environment if it is allowed? • No. The C of A is for the temporary application of replacement materials which will be as close a match as is available to the existing slates. Little if any of the work will be visible from the east, north or south. The contractor has 20+ years roofing experience. 3. Is there risk of financial hardship to the petitioner if the C of A is denied? • Unquestionably. The entire roof and interior ceilings are deteriorating by the day. Any way to slow or to temporarily stop that damage will lower future repair bills, protect original building elements, and ensure that no one using the building is injured. *Future plans: • A local contractor, B&B Construction, has volunteered labor and equipment to assist in the demolition of the 1909 (poorly built) brick addition on the west side of the building on the parking lot. Floor joists are rotting and mold is a significant issue. Staff suggested that the area be sealed and not used for the safety of occupants. That C of A application is expected in the spring. • An investment company out of Chicago has pledged assistance with the restoration of religious icons in the sanctuary. • Grants are currently being researched to secure funds to begin the daycare center that the church sees as one of their primary goals. •. Grants are also being researched to fund a paint conservator's work on the interior of the sanctuary to determine the condition of the original frescoes. • Plans are underway to launch a capital campaign to fund needed restoration work. Klusczinski: Is the petitioner here? Herdman: Teresa is here from the congregation as well as Mike Smith, contractor. Klusczinski: State your name and address for the record, please. Greene: My name is Teresa Greene, and my address is 124 Linden (?) St., Buchanon, Michigan. Kluscziniski: And you are the agent for the property. Greene: Yes, I am the representative for the Ambassadors for Christ. Klusczinski: Thank you very much. Would you care to make any statements regarding this amended, continued C of A. Greene: Only that we completely understand that this is a temporary solution, and that as far as, we thank Mike Smith and his generosityfor helping us in this endeavor. In the future, as L9 far as the financing, that is handled through our administrative headquarters. I'm not really at liberty to discuss it with you, as I don't really know it all, but I know that we will be applying for grants and attacking the problem section by section. While we may not be able to pay for it all at one time, we'll take it section by section. Klusczinski: I have one question, did you have a projection of how long the temporary roof will be in place? Is there a short term goal remedy for the property. Herdman: The only time constraint that we ever discussed was the year from the date of the C of A. So the return of better weather in spring or summer as Mr. Smith's schedule will allow. Patrick: I have a question regarding temporary slates. Why if slate is what's up there now why would they be temporary? Sporleder: That would be my question exactly. Klusczinski: The decking is so deteriorated, I believe. Smith: Right, and you have to use slate with slate. When buying new slate, you set some aside, realize that you can use those again, and dispose of the old slates. Sporleder: So, to pick up on what Lynn said, if you're replacing slate with slate, I'm not quite clear why... what are you accomplishing if it's the underneath part that's damaged and leaking. Smith: We're going to find the areas that are leaking, tear it off, put down, well, first of all check the decking. Replace any bad decking. Then, put on ice and water shield and 65 lb. felt. At the time, they were using 15-20 lb felt. It's deteriorated now like old newspaper, it's no longer keeping the water out. Slate keeps out 70-80% but the underlayment keeps out the rest. The slate are called Pennsylvania Gray, they're only meant to last 60-70 years, and they've been on there quite sometime. The only reason they've lasted this long is there location- they're away from trees, the pitch of the roof, but as you drive by you'll see that they're falling out. That's because they used steel nails and not copper. The heads rust off and they slide off. Patrick: Just for my edification. What happens to slate? After 60-70 years...does it deteriorate in some way, I never understood. Smith: Slate is a pourous substance. At the time, even though Pennsylvania slate is somewhat the "generic " type, getting 60-70 years out of it was better than the 20 year shingles that were being made at that time. Sporleder: So, you're just replacing slate, you're not going to be replacing the underlayment problem right now? Klusczinski: Spot repairs, right? Smith: Right. We need to determine... when I walked into the building, they've got buckets sitting in areas, I saw the structural damage. It's going to depend, when I get up there, what needs to be attended to. When it comes down to it, you could remove the slate, put down ice and water shield in the area put down 65 lb felt and walk away and come back 6-8 months later and it will still be "in the dry" which means that it's not leaking. We do it all the time. When you put it in the dry that means that the ice and water shield and the felt combined is going to keep water out. Sporleder: But that's a permanent solution. I guess back to what Lynn said, I don't know why we should consider what you're doing to be temporary. Herdman: Because they're not redoing the entire roof right now. Chase: It's spot fixing. Sporleder: But if you can fix it so it doesn't leak, isn't that the objective? Smith: The objective of it is that the slate are shot. They're not functioning. You could go back -over -and -over_it,_say-10-15-times- year _and -do the-repairs,-versus,-doing-it-all-at-onro_ Klusczinski: So there are emergency spot repairs proposed at this point to do locations of deteriorated decking once you investigate and then eventually the effort is going to be to remove all material and restore everything because the temporaryfix is not compatible. 10 Smith: The slates you see, you're only seeing half of the tile. Slates are typically 18x12, what you do is divide that and then subtract two, so you have your head lap and your exposure. Sporleder: So you're fixing the individual slates here and there by placing the shields underneath them as it fits in. The notion of spot doing what you're doing and getting the ice shield and whatnot underneath here and there, I don't' understand how that works. Klusczinski: Are you compelled by Code to install ice shield when you're doing a repair? Smith: Yes. Klusczinski: Ok, does that answer part of your question? Sporleder: Not really, but that's ok. Smith: Ice and water shield is really... Sporleder: I know what it is. Smith: It's a definite need on a roof like that. Sporleder: So eventually you're going to use all new slate? Start from scratch basically and restructure tear off whatever it is you've just now done? Are you going to use new slate or artificial or what? Smith: I'll use new slate, and will be able to re -use the ones that I've used for these temporary fixes. They're very fragile, and very brittle and can just crumble in your hands. Sporleder: So the original slate is eventually just going to be taken off and thrown away? Smith: Right. Sporleder: Ok, I understand now. Hostetler: I think that what you're dealing with is an in-kind replacement. The reason why it came to the Commission was due to the asphalts replacing the slates. As that's no longer an issue, this is basically an in-kind replacement and repair. Klusczinski: Right. And a future C ofA will come to us when they're ready to do the entire roof because this is a temporary component. Hostetler: We could staff approve that because that's essentially a complete tear off and re - roof with exactly the same materials. Riley: If you get the money, you're going to do a complete tear off and re -roof? Smith: Yes. Sporleder: The first thing that we were dealing with was the round, turret area, but there's still the whole church to be dealt with, is that going to be done that way? Klusczinski: The C ofA is for all emergency damage to be repaired. Smith: All emergency damage will be repaired and to say I can go out and do that in one time would be ludicrous. It takes a little patience and a lot of time. Klusczinski: Shawn, a legal question as this is an in-kind replacement, are we obligated to offer public hearing on this? I'm just trying to expedite it for the purpose of this meeting. Peterson: No, you don't have to. Klusczinski: Very good. Sporleder: Just for your information, I have tried to find the original blueprints and drawings for the building, but so far they haven't turned up. I need to go down in the church vault and rummage around in all that stuff and see what I can rummage out. Herdman: It would save time and money on the building assessment. Klusczinski: Anyone brave enough to motion? Patrick: I'll motion. I move that we approve 2007-0904 regarding 101 SLafayette/302 W Washington local landmark. Riley: Second. Klusczinski: And your motion was to amend the continuance? Patrick: Yes. Klusczinski: Because the original C ofA has been changed since last month. And Linda you're seconding the amended.... Riley: Yes. Peterson: And does the applicant consent to the amendment? Greene: Yes. 11 Klusczinski: Thank you. Any last minute discussion? All in favor? (Ayes are heard) Opposed? (Silence) Hearing none, motion carries unanimously. Moved: Patrick Second: Riley To approve C of A 2007-0904 Approved Unanimously B. LANDMARKS — None. II. REGULAR BUSINESS A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES September 17, 2007 With the correction of spelling of Commissioner Sporleder's name. Moved: Patrick Second: Sporleder Approved Unanimously Chase Abstaining B. TREASURER'S REPORT Accepted into record as presented, dated September 30, 2007 C. STAFF REPORTS 1. Correspondence None. 2. Director — Catherine Hostetler Distributed to Commission. 3. Assistant Director — Amy Herdman Distributed to Commission. 4. Legal Counsel — Shawn Peterson None. D. COMMITTEE REPORTS 1. President's Report —'Tim Klusczinski President Klusczinski reported on the October 8`i' Second Reading of Bill 61-07 before the Common Council. President Klusczinski complimented the contributions and comments made by distinguished guests: Bill Latoza, principle architect of the $2.5 billion Chicago Public Schools restoration initiative, Ryan Dvorak, District 8 State Representative, Ron Searcy, President AIA Indiana, and Don Sporleder, Professor Emeritus of Architecture at ND, and all of the other citizens that spoke on behalf of landmarking. All have our thanks for their efforts. President Klusczinski also announced the Common Council tour of Marquette School scheduled for 6:00pm on Tuesday October 23, 2007. It is a public meeting, so all interested parties are invited to attend. The third reading of Bill 61-07 is scheduled for November 12, 2007, all are also invited to attend. III. OLD BUSINESS VP Patrick reintroduced the topic of the Advisory Board and suggested that said body be "charged" or "seated" to begin their service to the HPC. VP Patrick pointed out that after the AB candidates replied to either accept or decline service, they've never been contacted again. VP Patrick suggested that now would be an important time to activate the Advisory Board. Perhaps some or most of the members might like to lend their support to efforts to landmark Marquette School. VP Patrick will meet with Director Hostetler to compare lists and will then take the responsibility of contacting the AB members. Moved: Chase Second: Patrick Motion to -seat Advisory -Board _Approved Unanimously Sporleder abstains IV. NEW BUSINESS Director Hostetler reported that Dr. Enderle, of 710 Park Avenue, South Bend, has requested an official letter or statement of the specific solutions to his window situation that the HPC would find 12 suitable, and by extension then be likely to approve when presented as a C of A application by Dr. Enderle. Discussion followed on the most appropriate committee or responsible party to complete this request. Standards and Maintenance committee, Landmarks committee, and Staff were all considered to be charged with preparation of this information for the benefit of Dr. Enderle. Commissioner Riley reiterated her desire for the Commission to find ways to compromise on matters of repairs and improvements to better work with and build rapport with those that live in districts and landmarks. It was determined that Staff would be responsible for the task of preparing the letter or statement for Dr. Enderle. Commissioner Sporleder gave details on the Urban Forestry meeting held recently in Brown County. She mentioned a purveyor of trees, shrubs and other plants that grow on demand for Commissions, Parks and other agencies that may be restoring historic landscapes. (Provided later by telephone): the purveyor that Commissioner Sporleder spoke of is available at «'vw.nossibilitvnlace.com at by telephone at 708-534-3988. This organization also provides educational programs and is working diligently on the ash borer situation in our region. V. HEARING OF VISITORS Don Sporleder: Also relayed details of the Urban Forestry event in Brown County and also the Indiana/Kentucky AIA meeting which featured historic preservation as a key element of the meeting. The University Club has closed as scheduled and the stein collection moved in order to be auctioned. The building is scheduled for demolition in early December. A facilities auction will proceed the demolition on 10/23/07. ADJOURNMENT rw st Todd 8:40 pm Patrick Second: Approved: Riley, Unanimously Secretary, Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County Date 13