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Regular Meeting THIRTEENTH FLOOR ROOM 1308
County -City Building
MONDAY, JANUARY 22, 2007 7:OOPM
I. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL
H. PUBLIC HEARING
A. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
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Location Report to be distributed at meeting
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COMMITTEE REPORTS
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Interdepartmental Relations
2. Committee Reports
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B. Assistant Director's Report
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MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
OF SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY
December 18, 2006
4`h Floor Council Chambers
County — City Building, South Bend, Indiana
Members Present: Lynn Patrick [President], Mary Jane Chase [Secretary], Catherine Hostetler, Martha
Choitz, Joann Sporleder, [Architectural Historian], Tim Klusczinski, [Treasurer] Shawn Peterson [Legal
Counsel], Linda Riley, Todd Zeiger, Jerry Ujdak
Staff Present: Catherine Hostetler [Director], Amy Herdman [Asst. Director],
Others Present: Don Sporleder, , Bendan Crumlish, Bill DePalma, Ron DePalma Sr., Robert Culp.
I. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL: President Lynn Patrick called the meeting to order at 7:35pm.
II. PUBLIC HEARING
A. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS
Application Number: 2006-1113
Property Location:
Property Owner:
Landmark or District Designation:
Rating:
1515 East Wayne Street
Peggy and Bill Soderberg
East Wayne Street Local Historic District
Contributing
STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: Whitcomb and Keller built this H.R.
Stapp -designed house in 1926 as a rental property. It remained a rental until its purchase by Geraldine and
Dr. George Green in 1937. The house remained in the Green family until 1991 when its current owners,
Peggy and Bill Soderberg, purchased the house.
APPLICATION ITEMS: Replace the 8 South facing windows and 1 east second floor bedroom window
with Crestline's Crestflt vinyl clad wood pocket replacement windows. The windows will be wood double
hung with 6 over 1 replicating the current windows. The current windows are warped, sagging and will not
hold paint either on the interior or the exterior.
East Wayne Street Standards: H Existing Structures, C Windows and Doors. Window and doorframes
are of wood or steel (some casements) or in the case of brick structures, stone sills and brick lintels. Where
metal or vinyl siding has been applied, window trim has been covered. Storm windows are of wood or
aluminum.
Reouired: Original windows and doors shall be retained including sashes, lintels, sills, shutters, decorative
glass, pediments, hoods, and hardware. When deteriorated beyond repair, they shall be replaced with units
and trim resembling the original.
Recommended: Wood frame storm windows and doors painted to match the original should be used but
should not damage existing frames. If new sashes or doors are installed, the existing or original materials,
design and hardware should be used. When metal storm doors are used, they should be painted, anodized or
coated to match the existing. When awnings are used they should be of canvas material.
Prohibited: Original doors, windows and hardware shall not be discarded when they can be restored and
reused in place. New window and door openings which would alter the scale and proportion of the building
shall not be introduced. Inappropriate new window and door features such as aluminum insulating glass
combinations that require removal of the original windows and doors shall not be installed.
Not Recommended: Awnings, hoods, and fake shutters made of metal, vinyl, or fiberglass should not be used
if they would detract from the existing character or appearance of the building.
RECOMMENDATION: The 1932 Portage Township Assessor Card notes additions and modifications
throughout the 1930s and 1940s including a second story room over the back porch addition that has since
been removed. The 1987 survey card of 1515 E. Wayne Street notes the building integrity of this house as
altered -major. The entire exterior is aluminum sided with aluminum storm windows and there are very few
visible original architectural features on this house. Staff recommends approval of the replacement windows
for the deteriorated windows with the stipulation that the original windows be stored.
Hostetler: The homeowner is not here.
Patrick: Very good, and there's no builder or architect here?
Hostetler: No.
Patrick: I'll recognize any Commissioners with questions for the staff regarding this Certificate
of Appropriateness.
Klusczinski: I have one. Was our Specialist able to assess the condition of each window listed in
the proposal?
Hostetler: Yes, Wayne went out there and looked at the windows, but did not have access to the
interior.
Klusczinski: Did he make a report?
Hostetler: Just that they were sagging and that they looked pretty bad.
Ujdak: Tim, I was out there this afternoon, and he kinda walked me through it although I didn't
go in. He said that they're in pretty bad shape. The other windows have all been replaced over
time.
Klusczinski: So these are the last of the original?
Ujdak: Apparently so, yes.
Klusczinski: Oh.
Riley: The whole house is vinyl siding, you're not altering anything original.
Ujdak: No.
Klusczinski: Is it vinyl siding?
Hostetler: Aluminum.
Riley: Aluminum, sorry.
Ujdak: Well, It's been resided.
Klusczinski: Of the other windows that have been replaced already, are they vinyl clad or ...?
Ujdak: I believe that he said that they were aluminum clad.
Klusczinski: So this is a different replacement species...?
Ujdak: Oh yeah, different company, different ... He didn't say how long ago the others were
replaced, but I think that he said that there had been two sets of replacements over time. This
part of the house, that part of the house.
Patrick: Any other questions from Commissioners?
Sporleder: In the picture it seems to indicate that there are aluminum storms on the outside?
Hostetler: On some of them.
Sporleder: We are talking about these windows across the front of the house, right?
Hostetler: Yes, that's correct.
Sporleder: So what's going to happen with the aluminum storms and all that stuff? Are they
insulating glass, or are they still using storms or..?
Ujdak: As I understand it, they're still using storms.
Sporleder.I think that it would be interesting if we just had a little bit better understanding.
Ujdak: I know.
Sporleder: The description of the windows which I've read through don't seem to indicate
whether insulation glass or not ...and it does say that there is a screen that comes with it, though
it doesn't say where the screen is.
Ujdak: It's an attractive well-maintained home.
Sporleder: Certainly is.
Choitz: I wonder if it had been checked at what point the siding was put on, as far as having it in
a District.
Hostetler: It was sided when it went in.
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Choitz: I mean the siding or any of the other earlier windows, were they before the District was
formed?
Riley: I believe it was before.
Choitz: Do you?
UjdaIL I think that you're right as I understand it.
Choitz: Really? Because I don't recall ... I worked on that Wayne Street thing hard, and I don't
recall their having any, that that house ever came up for....it was probably done before.
Hostetler: It was.... well, there's a picture of it in the guidebook, and fyou look at that picture,
and there's a copy of it in that file, it looks like it was aluminum siding when it went in to the
District and that's why it was only rated Contributing.. .
Ujdak: It looks that old 8 inch, that was probably ZS or 30 years ago.
Choitz: If that was done back then, there's no use talking about it. As long as they don't' want to
change it, everything just stays the way that it is.
Patrick If there are no further questions from the Commission, I'll recognize any public who
wishes to speak on this matter either for or against. Seeing none. If there's no additional
elements for presentation, I'd like to close this public hearing, and if there's no further
discussion, or finding of fact....
Peterson: Just one comment here, the staff recommendation says that they recommend approval
contingent upon the stipulation that the original windows be stored. Because the petitioner is not
here, and I'm not sure if you've talked with him or not, in some ways if you add that stipulation
on it, you are in effect denying it, contingent upon their accepting it. So, it would be considered a
denial, with the procedure of a denial, with the hope that they would accept that. So, its kind of a
weird thing that we don't normally run into, but because they're not here we can't really amend
their certificate without them agreeing to accommodate that request.
Patrick: So, we have to make a motion to deny unless they accept that stipulation?
Peterson: Yes, effectively. If you make the motion to say accept with the stipulation, you are
effectively denying it, unless they...
Patrick: But they can do the work then if they accept that stipulation?
Peterson: Well, I don't know, it's a weird... You have before you something that you need their
consent to amend.
Hostetler: No, because its our procedure to always say that the original fabric, I mean that's
standard operating procedure from Day One of the Commission. Unless I'm wrong, Joann.
Sporleder: Its usually requested, but its usually part of, I mean, I think that I would go with what
Counsel says, because the way that we've always done it may not necessarily have been correct.
John always insisted that they keep it, but they were usually there to acquiesce in that.
Peterson: I think that its semantics in some ways, but the fact is that if they don't agree to it, you
are effectively denying it. If they subsequently agree to it, and you make your approval
contingent upon it, then you know, their subsequent agreement to it would be enough to give the
authority to move forward, so... I don't care what you do.
Sporleder: Thank you, Counsel.
Hostetler: We could table it, or put it into committee.
Patrick: Well, people are going to vote...I mean, I don't know how people are going to vote on
this, I mean, I'm inclined to approve it...
Ujdak: Absolutely.
Patrick: And I really don't want it coming back around in January, maybe what we could is
going forward is advise people that if you're not present, it could be tabled, or if you don't have
someone there present to speak for you.
Hostetler: He did receive the letter, he received a copy of the agenda, and he did receive a copy
of the staff report.
Patrick: Mmm-hmm.
Peterson: [Unintelligible]
Patrick: I would rather move forward on this rather than it come back around in January.
Ujdak: Absolutely.
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Patrick: So I'd like to have someone make a motion that we approve replacement of the windows
contingent on their holding the old windows in basement or safe and secure storage, which is to
say that we are effectively denying it unless they do save the windows. And staff shall
communicate with them to ensure this is, and advise the Commission if in fact they do not agree
to this. Otherwise, we'll consider this matter resolved, contingent upon their accepting our
contingency.
Choitz: Iso move.
Patrick: Do I have a second?
Riley: Second.
Patrick: All in favor? (Ayes are heard)
Sporleder: I would like to abstain.
Patrick: We have one abstention.
Riley: That's application number 2006-1113?
Patrick: Yes.
Peterson: We can do the evidence at the next meeting we can evidence their signature on a
document that they'll maintain the original windows.
Klusczinksi: Wait a minute, I had a denial.
Patrick: Ok
Klusczinski: I deny the C ofA under that criteria.
Patrick: I'm sorry,
Klusczinski: Right, we didn't...
Patrick- We can do a roll call.
Klusczinski: Tim Klusczinski, I deny C ofA 20061113 we have no mechanism to police
directives like the storage of original windows and doors when this criteria is bound to the C of
A, nor can we guarantee that a future owner might violate these convemants at any time.
Therefore, I'd strongly caution any member of this Commission from permitting changes with this
appeasement. I deny this C ofA since the petitioner and the application failed to sufficiently
prove, tonight, that all nine of the designated windows were beyond repair allowing an exception
to the East Wayne guidebook. But the benefits sought by the petitioner could not be achieved
through restoration of the existing windows, that the exterior vinyl cladding is an appropriate in-
kind alternative to aluminum clad or all wood complements. That the replacements will
satisfactorially match the openings, scale and proportion of the existing ones, and that hardship
upon this denial is expected.
Patrick: Mary Jane?
Chase: I approve on the condition that the windows be saved, and that's self-explanatory. If they
don't save them, then...
Zeiger: Aye. Todd, I voted aye.
Patrick: I, Lynn Patrick, vote aye, because I believe that the condition of this house of this house
has been sufficiently altered that in this situation this is the most appropriate response.
Riley: Linda Riley, I vote aye.
Choitz: And I also vote aye, I fully agree with the President.
Ujdak: Jerry Ujdak, I vote aye.
Sporleder: I'm Joann Sporleder, and I am abstaining. I would like to suggest that all the denials
need to state their reasons for denying, however.
Zeiger: Why don't you state your reason for why you're abstaining?
Riley: Yeah.
Sporleder: I don't need to explain why I'm abstaining, I'm abstaining from voting.
Peterson: I think that its appropriate to those that voted aye to the motion to state why they
desire for the original windows to be kept. In a way, you are denying this if they do not accept
that aspect. So you do need to say why you want them to keep that original aspect at least.
Patrick: Because that is a stipulation in the guidebooks. In all of the guidebooks.
Zeiger: Are we going to go through and do that?
Peterson: Just those that did not offer reasons before.
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Zeiger: This is Todd, I voted aye because replacement windows will probably be replaced in a
few years anyway, so at least the original ones would be there to serve as a guide for either
restoration at that time, or re -installation.
Peterson: I think that Linda was the other...
Riley: I voted aye as long as he agrees to store the original windows.
Choitz: I'd like to get on with it, and let them have a chance to get on with it at the beginning of a
new season.
UjdaIL I'm voting aye, and I see no problem here. I think that Mr. Soderberg is an honorable
man, and will comply. So, let's get on with the project, and let's get on with the meeting.
Patrick. Catherine?
Herdman: Catherine, I didn't record your vote.
Hostetler: Aye.
Hostetler: Staff was not alerted by the Soderberg's that they would not be here, we had no way of
knowing, and its not customary once we send out the letters to call the applicants to see if they're
going to be present.
Motion: Choitz Second: Riley In favor:, Zeiger, Chase, Patrick,
Choitz, Hostetler, Ujdak, Riley
Opposed: Klusczinski
Abstaining: Sporleder
Application Number: 2006-1122
Property Location: 733 Bronson
Property Owner: Robert Culp
Landmark or District Designation: Edgewater Place Local Historic District
Rating: Contributing
STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: This vernacular gabled ell is thought to have
been constructed in 1892 by William H Harper, a grocery store owner and real estate developer. The house was
eventually sold to William Garfield in 1901, a piano tuner, who lived there for 40 years. It was also owned by
several others including Mary Unger nee Dreibelbis who operated a Beauty Parlor in the house during the 1940s.
The current owner purchased it after Barbara and Larry Sehl abandoned the house in 2006.
APPLICATION ITEMS: The owner has engaged DePalma Home Remodeling to vinyl side the house and to
paint the windows, soffits and fascia.
Edgewater Place Standards H Existing Structures, A. Building Materials Original exterior wall materials in
the District range from brick, clapboard, shingles, and masonry block to aluminum siding. In the majority of the
cases the aluminum siding has been applied over the original clapboard. There are some masonry commercial
buildings on Lincolnway.
Required: Existing exterior building materials shall be retained. Deterioration of wood materials shall be
prevented through repair, cleaning and painting. The existing architectural detail around windows, porches, doors
and eaves should be retained or replaced by replicas of the same design and materials when deteriorated beyond
repair...
Recommended: Whenever possible, the original building materials should be restored. Aluminum or vinyl siding
may be used when it is the only feasible alternative to maintaining the original surface material. When used over
wood surfaces, this siding should be the same size and style as the original wood. However it must be noted that
such material can contribute to the deterioration of the structure from moisture and insects....
Prohibited: Wood siding shall not be resurfaced with new material such as artificial stone, brick veneer, asbestos
or asphalt shingles which is inappropriate or was unavailable when the building was constructed....
=ee attached for complete the Standard concerning all building materials.
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RECOMMENDATION: The contractor proposes to apply vinyl siding over the existing asphalt shingles which
were applied over the original clapboards. It is noted on the 1985 survey card that the integrity of this home was
altered -major and was only in fair condition. Its condition did not improve over this 21 year period. While the
application of vinyl siding is not ideal, it will more closely resemble to original clapboards and no original
features are going to be removed. Staff recommends approval with the stipulation that the contractor agrees to
restore the deteriorated drip moldings above the windows that were removed.
Patrick: Thank you. Are the homeowner or contractor present? Will you step up to the podium
please? Please idents yourself for the record.
DePalma: Bill DePalma.
Culp: Bob Culp.
Patrick: And Bob Culp, you are the owner?
Culp: Yes, ma'am.
Patrick: Do I have any questions from Commissioners? Tim.
Klusczinski: I had a question for staff. Is this the right point for that?
Patrick: Actually, this is the point where we question the homeowner or presenters. But if its
germaine to what you're going to ask them?
Klusczinski: Yes. Will you be modifying the window sills with the addition of a third exterior
siding layer to extend below past that?
DePalma: We had plans on building out the existing jamb to actually overlap the j -channel
(unintelligible)
Klusczinski: And the crown contains the drip cap?
DePalma: Yeah. (unintelligible) We're going to re -install those, and like I said we're going to
build out the casement around the windows, so the new wood that sticks out beyond the j -
channel. (unintelligible)
Klusczinski: So you're going to attach a strip to the front nose of the window sill.
DePalma: Yes, I'm going to actually bring the whole window treatment out. Its going to look
exactly like it does now. (unintelligible)
Klusczinski: When you extend the drip cap at the top, you're going to have a different situation I
assume then what you had originally in the house with its first layer of clapboards. For every
inch that you grow it out this way, its about 518 taller, right? To maintain the same drip slope?
DePalma: Yes, its going to up a little, and out a little...
Klusczinski: A couple of inches, right?
DePalma: Huh?
Klusczinski: At least a couple of inches
DePalma: Out to the j -channel would be 1112 inches, or 4 inch on each side, % on the top just to
cover the j -channel. Personally, when we looked at the property to begin with, it looked like the
asphalt siding had been brought into the casing a little bit, it cut off about an inch of it. I was
trying to give (unintelligible)
Klusczinski: Ok, thank you.
Zeiger: I have a quick clarification question then. This application is just talking about applying
siding, but what you're talking about is re -casing the entire window which is additional work
that's not on the application. Additionally then, to just follow up on what Tim was asking, as you
getup towards the top of the soffit, you have a crown mould that meets the soffit. What do you
intend to do with that?
DePalma: We were going to j -channel up to the crown moulding (unintelligible)
Zeiger: So the crown molding will be back behind the j -channel as far as depth?
DePalma: It's about 318 of an inch back, but its not... we could bring it out if that's what we
needed to do. That would entail a little more work than what we expected, but...
Zeiger: We have a picture here dated November 21, 2006 that shows vinyl siding on the house is
that work that's already started that you caught, so this is a retroactive application?
Hostetler: Yes.
Patrick: My question is for Mr. DePalma. Have you looked under that asbestos, asphalt I'm
sorry, asphalt siding to see what the condition of the wood is underneath?
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DePalma: Just on the parts where its fallen off. I thought that would be the best place to loop
They'd already been offfor a number of months or years or whatever...
Patrick: Could you speak into the microphone please?
DePalma: Where the.asphalt siding has fallen off, and I don't know when it had fallen off, we
looked at those spots since they were exposed, and they were solid, so I assume that the rest of the
property is solid. I didn't go around and check but there are numerous spots around the house
where asphalt siding has fallen off and you can see the clapboards behind it. We, notched into
with a hammer, and it all felt pretty solid to us.
Patrick: So the wood underneath this is in fair condition?
DePalma: On the parts that I saw. If you see on the pictures...
Patrick: Yes.
DePalma: I've got pictures of my own too. There's a big chunk off of the South side of the house,
and that's what I am referring to. As you go on the other side, the north side, where they put in
air conditioning units and you can, you can kinda take the plywood out and see the studs and
everything. It all seemed pretty solid to me.
Patrick: So really if you wanted to, if you weren't an aluminum or vinyl siding contractor you
could remove it and the original wood be restored in your opinion?
DePalma: Oh yeah, there would be some holes to fill. Obviously the house has been added onto
a lot with garages and sheds and whatnot. What our goal was to bring some consistency to it,
and to get it back to looking like a single family house instead of all pieced together. That was
basically my goal. I don't know what's under the additions, they seem to be additions tome. I
didn't really look too close, but with say the flat roof coming off of the back, I don't think that
was originally built on with the house. I don't know what's behind that. I don't know if they did
the asphalt siding when they did the additions to tie it all together to look like the same house?
But, that's my guess.
Patrick: Ok
Chase: The asphalt siding looks bad.
DePalma: Very bad.
Chase: So if you have, assuming that the condition of the wood is fairly decent, because if it
wasn't you'd have deterioration with deterioration locked in with new siding. Is there any
evidence on the inside of the house that deterioration is going through?
DePalma: No.
Chase: Any of the walls?
DePalma: Not at all, the house is pretty solid.
Chase: If this is, in driving by and seeing this, the asphalt is in very bad condition.. Is it wise to
seal this damp siding with another siding and sort of envelop it between?
DePalma: I see what you're asking.
Chase: Over time are you going to be dealing with mold and insects and things?
DePalma: With vinyl siding, its pretty ... it breathes easily I believe. I've installed a lot of it. And
to me, I mean you can nail it tight...
Chase: My question is if you are encapsulating the problem? Instead of taking the problem off
and going with the siding that was there originally. If by putting it over this asphalt, its
deteriorated, its in very bad shape, if you're encapsulating a problem?
DePalma: I don't see it that way, maybe others do, but I really don't ... I've done many homes,
and I've always sided over...
Chase: Even really damaged..?
DePalma: We side right over it.
Chase: Right over it, huh?
DePalma: And we don't have any problems.
Chase: Well, I'm wondering if in S years if the owner would have problems.
DePalma: I would know because I manage the propertyfor the owner for a long time after we
sell them the property. I'm pretty confident in it myself. Its made it this long with the asphalt
siding, the clapboards and no insulation. Then somebody insulated the house, and that helps a
lot. I feel pretty secure about it myself.
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Klusczinski: I had kind of a follow up. Contrary to what you've said, I disagree and take issue
with the idea that vinyl breathes. Because it doesn't. So, in cases like this, you would generally
install a vapor barrier on new construction. Are you installing a vapor barrier on this?
DePalma: I hadn't planned on it. Just because of our past history. I've been doing homes for
about six years and I have yet to have any call backs for siding over asphalt siding. So,
technically, for me, on a house like this I wouldn't install a vapor barrier all, I would just side
over it.
Klusczinski: And trap the moisture? Did you obtain a building permit before you began the first
stage of the project?
DePalma: I went the same day and got denied because I didn't know it was in the historical area.
That's why I made the mistake, normally we'd do all this before we touched the house...
Klusczinski: So the building department doesn't mandate a vapor barrier?
DePalma: No, it wouldn't.
Klusczinski: And that's not the reason for the denial?
DePalma: They wouldn't say ... I would just say I was vinyl siding, and its X amount of dollars
and they charge me, to get the permit. I went the same day, and I had crew out there, and got
denied basically, and so we had to stop on it.
Chase: Is it customary to get your permit the day that your crew is starting work?
DePalma: No, that's not how we do it, that's my mistake.
Riley: What do you plan to do about the windows that's not mentioned in your C of A?
DePalma: With the windows, those seem to open and function pretty well. We were just going to
salvage them, scrape and paint and make sure that they open well. Normally, we'd install
aluminum storm windows, we also can on other historic properties that I've worked on found the
existing storm windows for the property in the garage, and we refurbished those and put them
back on, those wooden ones. We have to seal them up someway, because single pane is
inefficient.
Sporleder: I wanted to get back to the vapor barrier thing ... I think that if this house has been
after-the fact insulated which apparently it is, that putting a vapor barrier on the outside maybe
is not a good idea. It potentially traps moisture in the insulation which causes more rotting. 1
think that your notion of keeping everything a little bit more open is probably a fairly good idea
under these apparent circumstances.
DePalma: On new construction, I would install a vapor barrier, without question. With a house
this old and in this good of shape structurally, it doesn't look the best, but its solid and I feel that
its made it this long. I don't think that they vinyl siding would hurt it anymore than its been in the
last 21 years.
Sporleder: May I follow upon what Mary Jane said? Would you be adverse to simply taking off
the asphalt siding and then proceeding from there either painting and restoring the wood or then
covering it if you find that the wood siding is not really restorable and then come back for
another C ofA to side it?
DePalma: Um...
Sporleder: I mean, I don't know how much of a hurryyou're in here.
DePalma: We're always in a big hurry, we like to turn the house as quickly as we possibly can.
At this point, I'm willing to do whatever you guys want me to do so that we can move forward
with the property. Whether its removing the asphalt siding and installing a vapor barrier with
the vinyl siding...
Sporleder: Personally, I don't think that you want a vapor barrier, with the blown in insulation,
that's probably not a good idea.
DePalma: At this point we're willing to do whatever... that's why from the day that the
representatives of yours were there we have created the plan to build out the window casing to
cover the j-channel to make it look original. These are things that we added.
Patrick: You continued to work since we were there?
DePalma: No, no no no.. Bob and I have talked about how to retain the historical look of it,
that's all. That's what I was talking about with the window casing and doing one by sixes
covering the j-channel.
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Patrick: I've had another question down here. Tim?
Klusczinski: And maybe Todd has more familiarity with this, but aren't there vapor barriers that
you install on the inside walls over the wallcovering? And I'm not suggesting a windbreak,
which would go on the exterior side of the house because a vapor barrier should go on the inside
and sometimes that's 6 mil polyethylene. ' But, the after or the um, old construction alternative
goes on like a wallpaper, and that sufficiently keeps the moisture from penetrating the wall cavity
to incur things like mold infestation.
Sporleder: But you're talking about on the inside? Not on the outside?
Klusczinski: Yes. Vapor barriers don't go on the outside. Right, but windbreaks do, and that's
the tyvek wrap and stuff like that, so they breathe moisture, but the vapor barrier prohibits
moisture, so there is another way of accomplishing it. Just so everyone knows.
Culp: Can I say something?
Patrick: Yes.
Culp: The idea of removing the asphalt shingle would be the first consideration however, we
don't know what it beneath them on the home. So if we start to remove them with that plan,
there's no guarantee that we're going to recover clapboard on the entire home. The vinyl siding
seems like the best option to make the home complete and whole again. That's why we wanted to
go that particular route there over the asphalt shingle that's on the house now. Having
purchased the house forX amount of dollars, the budget is limited because of the appraised
value.
Patrick: What is the appraised value?
Culp: I'm anticipating it to be in the mid -70's when all is said and done. It's not been appraised
yet because the home's not complete, but once it's complete, we'll have the official appraisal.
Preliminary market research is...
Patrick: Is this being bought, to turn or to rent?
Culp: It's going to be sold.
Patrick: Hmm-hmm. I would think that someone buying a house in a historic district would
prefer to have the original siding. I know that there's no guarantees that there's going to be
clapboard under there, but I'll bet that there probably is.
Hostetler: On the original part of the house, but these many subsequent additions...
Culp: At least half of the house is additions.
DePalma: That was our fear in tearing off anything.
Patrick: Even if they restored part of it ... and didn't find clapboard on the back, just do siding on
the additions, Todd.
Zeiger: It's not just up to me.
Patrick: I know, I'm just asking your opinion.
Zeiger: I'm sorry, I have a bad voice today. Ijust wanted to clarify what the application is that
we're really considering. What's on the application in front of us is siding, painting windows,
soffits and facing, or facia as we're calling it. What I'm understanding you're really proposing is
siding the house, and building out all of the jambs. That's different than what you applied for
and what's in front of us. Am I correct in what I'm stating back to you in that you're proposing
to build out all of those jambs?
DePalma: In a way, I thought that it would make you a little happier.
Zeiger: Doesn't matter what makes us happy or not, I'm trying to understand what the
application is at this point. To answer your question Lynn, it probably would be possible to
expose the clapboard siding on the original part of the house, and then do some sort of a match
of color with different siding on the additions if its not there. There are lots of different ways to
do construction. They are going to have issues with regard to the blown -in insulation in those
walls though.
Patrick: What do you mean?
Zeiger: It holds (possibly 'pulls') water.
Patrick: Yeah.
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Zeiger: So the vapor issues are significant and are a concern. I also have a concern you're
putting, how are you going to install the vinyl, you're going to have strips going up on the outside
to hold the vinyl?.
DePalma: Strips.
Zeiger: And you're going to nail the strips to the asphalt siding that's...
DePalma: In my thought, that would be a little much, it brings the siding out even further from
the...
Zeiger: So you're proposing nailing the vinyl right to the asphalt siding.
DePalma: Yes, it hugs up to it pretty nice.
Zeiger: Ok, Ijust wanted a clarification.
Patrick: Mmm-hmm.
Zeiger: I don't have any other questions.
Patrick: I'd like somebody to make a motion on this if there's no other questions about this and
no member of the public to speak for or against? Counselor has a comment.
Peterson: Just be clear on the motion that you're asking for. There have been various proposals
set forth, so, whoever submits the motion please be specific as to what you're asking for.
Patrick: Thank you. I'd like either Todd or Tim to make the motion, because it requires
tremendous specificity.
Zeiger: I move that we deny Certificate of Appropriateness 2006-1122 as it does not follow the
guidelines as set forth by the district.
Klusczinski: Second.
Patrick: All in favor that we deny...
Zeiger: We should do a roll call because...
Peterson: Yes, you need to do a roll call.
Patrick: Yes, lets do a roll call, sorry. We'll start with you, Tim.
Klusczinski: Because the petitioner exhibited an openness to honor alternate wishes from this
Commission body for the property, and it does seem that it's appropriate to at least remove some
of the asphalt siding and see what's there and if we need to honor a C of A at a later time to
amend whatever is missing on some of the additions. I think that's the right way to go.
Approving this C of A as is would forgo that opportunity.
Patrick: Mary Jane?
Chase: I would deny because the statement of the work to proceed-siding, painting windows,
soffit, facia, is not exactly what we've talked about. We've talked about covering windows, so
we're talking about doing something that isn't written. And, I think that a lot more work has
been done already and not getting the proper paperwork done after being in the business for this
many years is sort of inexcusable.
Zeiger: My purpose for denial is simply that the guidelines talk about and require that the
original building materials should be restored, and only covered when that's the only alternative.
I believe that the clapboards underneath all of this are in good shape, that's been my experience
with these sort of houses, the clapboards are usually in good shape, and I think that we need to
explore that before we approve vinyl siding in this district.
Patrick: I, Lynn Patrick, move to deny, on the basis that the description of the proposed work
doesn't match what they're actually talking about, and because its not in compliance with the
standards of the neighborhood, it sounds to me as if this house is very sound, and I agree that
they have not explored other options, and Ilookforward to a revised Certificate of
Appropriateness on this.
Riley: I vote to deny the application. I would like to see whatever is on the side of the house
removed to see what's underneath.
Choitz: I vote to deny because I don't believe that enough is known about the layers of siding
that's been put on and not enough attention has been brought to it. Beyond that, I'm very
concerned with having someone with some proper knowledge of window treatment on the outside
of the house, as you being that, make sure that its appropriate to that style of house. What I've
seen here, isn't satisfactory at all and we've got people on the staff here that can give you a lot of
help for what would be the right surrounds for those windows, and it would make a vast
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difference in the way that the property would look once that is done. Just make sure that it is in
the right era and so I deny for that reason.
Ujdak: My vote would be to approve the Certificate of Appropriateness, I think that we've just
gone a little bit too far with this. This is much ado about nothing. Almost anything will help the
appearance of this house, if you've been out there and looked at it.
Patrick: I have. I look at that house almost every day.
Ujdak: Almost anything would help.
Sporleder: I vote to approve partially because its easier to vote that way.
Patrick: I'm sorry?
Sporleder: I vote to approve, period.
Patrick: Did you vote Catherine?
Hostetler: No, I did not. I wrote the staff report, so obviously I vote to approve but I do express
concern because the application specified that they were going to just side the house and paint
the trim and the facia and the soffits. It didn't look like the walls were going to be done, but the
architectural features were still going to be able to be seen, and that doesn't seem to be the case
now.
Patrick: Ok It's been denied.
Motion: Zeiger Second: Klusczinski In favor:, Zeiger, Chase, Klusczinski
(to deny) Choitz, Riley, Patrick
Opposed: Hostetler, Ujdak, Sporleder
Sporleder: Are we going to give them any suggestions of what they can do next?
Patrick: We'll ask staff to communicate with us as you expose what's under the asphalt. You can
call the office and they can call us and let us know.
Culp: How fast of a turn around can this be because we're going into winter right now, I've got
about another week that Bill's crews can be outside.
Patrick: We all live locally, so as soon as you call and say that you've got something to show.
Culp: So we don't have to wait a full month then?
Patrick: As far as exposing the asphalt and underneath?
Culp: As far as taking it to the next level to get approvals so that we can get working on the
outside because if we go into winter we could be into March.
Peterson: You'd have to call a special meeting to approve it.
Patrick: Yeah, if we had to, we could call a special meeting to approve it. We have done that in
the past.
Culp: Ok, so once we expose the clapboards then call for someone to come out and review it and
make that determination at that time?
Sporleder: No, that's not right. I'm sorry, I'm pretty sure you'd have to apply for a C of A to
take the existing siding off.
Hostetler: No.
Sporleder: I don't'see why not, that's changing the exterior and to take the existing siding off
and they would need a C of A to do that.
Patrick: Not when its done with the view of either restoring the house or seeing if we're going to
approve this.
Sporleder: Any exterior change to something in the historic district requires a C ofA before they
proceed.
Herdman: Is that something that could be staff approved?
Zeiger: Who's the question to?
Herdman: Anybody that knows the answer!
Sporleder: Staff could approve it as far as I'm concerned.
Riley: Fine by me.
Ujdak: Let's hearfrom the counselor.
Peterson: If you...you can authorize staff on a motion to approve it if its for the purposes of
inspection. To be honest, I do not know answer as far as whether they can remove the current
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asphalt siding for the purposes of keeping it that way. I think that for inspection or investigation
you could do a limited staff approval for something like that.
Zeiger: I'll make a motion to allow for staff to approve the removal of the existing asphalt siding,
I think that its something that we've done in the past. I'd make that motion.
Sporleder: I'll second that motion.
Patrick: All in favor. (Ayes are heard) Any opposition?
Motion: Zeiger Second: Sporleder In favor:, Zeiger, Chase, Patrick,
Choitz, Hostetler, Ujdak, Riley
Sporleder, Klusczinski
Culp: So you're saying remove all of it, or just spots for a check?
Hostetler: Wouldn't it have to be all of it?
Zeiger: We've given that authority to the staff to work with the homeowner.
Peterson: Yeah, I think that would be a prudential question...
Culp: A costly question too.
Peterson: and once you start removing it, there's really no going back, or putting it back on.
You obviously have established budgets, but overall, the issue does exist that you would
permanently be altering the structure without a plan to restore, if you just removed it all. So, I'd
think that a limited or at least some point of what's necessary to investigate would be
appropriate.
Culp: One final clarification so that everyone would be aware, the design that Bill was
describing about the window trims and the jambs was to give it the classy look, instead of the j -
channel to the side of the window cheap look. That's what we were trying to avoid and wanted to
achieve here today, present something that was a little more than the average.
Patrick: Thank you.
B. LANDMARKS - None
C. NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION — None
III. REGULAR BUSINESS
A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes were approved as presented by unanimous vote.
B. COMMITTEE REPORTS
1. Treasurer's Report
Commissioner Sporleder had some questions regarding line item issues on the submitted location
reports. Catherine Hostetler explained the information contained the budget reports.
2. President's Report
President Patrick, and Nominating Committee Member Martha Choitz, shared the results of their
meeting. Their proposed slate of officers for 2007 are: Tim Klusczinski for President, Lynn
Patrick for Vice President, Mary Jane Chase for Treasurer and Todd Zeiger for Secretary. The
slate of officers was approved unanimously.
Catherine distributed a draft of the letter that will be sent to potential Advisory Board members.
No action was required.
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C. STAFF REPORTS
Director — Catherine Hostetler
Catherine distributed her Director's Report.
To comply with Open Door Law, and to ensure that all of the Tribune's information is accurate, a
discussion and decision was made by the Commission regarding meeting times and locations for
2007.
By an 8-1 vote (Riley voting nay), the Commission has set the 2007 meeting time as 7:OOpm.
Also by 8-1 vote (Ujdak voting nay), the Commission has set the 2007 meeting location as 1308
County -City Building
Assistant Director — Amy Herdman
Amy distributed her Assistant Director's Report.
IV. OLD BUSINESS
V. NEW BUSINESS
Voting to approve Nominating Committee's slate of 2007 HPC Officers
Motion: Sporleder Second: Riley In favor: Unanimous
VI. HEARING OF VISITORS
Don Sporleder was recognized to speak.
ADJOURNMENT
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EXECUTIVE SESSION OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION OF
SOUTH BEND AND ST JOSEPH COUNTY
DECEMBER 27, 2006
CALLED TO ORDER: 5:32 by Lynn Patrick, President
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mary Jane Chase, Tim Klusczinski, Linda Riley, Amy
Herdman (Staff), Rom De Palma (Contractor), Jerry Ujdak, Todd Zeiger, Catherine
Hostetler (Director), Ron De Palma (Contractor)
Lynn: We have two documents. First is the application number ... with the minute from
the meeting. We do not have at this point a new C of A.
Catherine: No. The C of A as applied for was for siding, painting the windows, soffit and
fascia.
Lynn: Now this evaluation that Tim Klusczinski has done regarding the property...
Catherine: Was done because the Commission mandated that the Staff go out and take a
look at the condition of the siding to determine whether or not the original clapboards
were in any shape to be completely restored.
Lynn: And you made the comment that this was serving as the staff report.
Catherine: Yes, because Tim was out there with us and then he went through and
summarized everybody's opinion and so this is what we have.
Lynn: OK, Since Tim wrote up this document and summarized everything; I am going to
turn this over this portion of the meeting to Tim.
Tim: OK.
Lynn: Has everyone had a chance to read this?
Tim: And that may be the best way to proceed, if anyone has any questions about the
evaluation. Basically, there were spot check investigations to be done in some places
where some of the green asphalt siding, you can see that in the pictures, was removed to
reveal some of the original clapboard. To date, unless, the De Palma Home Remodeling
Company can say otherwise, I don't think that anything more has been done on the house
other than the spot checks for the siding.
Rom: No, there hasn't.
Tim:. OK.
Linda: How much are you going to take off before you put the siding on?
Rom: When we met over there the other day, Tim and I both come to the conclusion that
it would be a good idea to remove the asphalt siding to expose the old clapper board to
where when we put our new vinyl siding our J Trim will give it a more professional,
more aesthetic appeal, you know, with the J Trim butting up against the window trim
rather than kind of overlapping and then further causing us possible water damage or, you
know, such and so forth.
Linda: And what are you going to do about the siding that is already on?
Rom: Our vinyl siding? We will have to remove and salvage it and use it back in places
where we can; and that's a loss that we'll have to suffer, but we're Okay at this point.
And we had talked about rebuilding the drip -mold across the tops of the windows where
necessary as you can see in the pictures.
Tim: I had a brief question for staff. Based on the sampling areas are you satisfied with
the determination or conclusion that this original clapboard cannot be restored?
Catherine: Yes, there are just too many different variations on this house. There is the
original part of the house, there was the garage that was built, Lord only knows when, but
has been incorporated into the house, plus there was an addition put on the back of the
house with a completely different type of siding. What the vinyl siding will do, is just
basically, mimic the clapboard siding on the original part of the house and give the entire
house a more uniform look.
Todd: How are the corner boards to be handled,then? The corners?
Rom: Corner posts, vinyl corner posts.
Lynn: I have a question, based on what was discussed. It was my understanding that
there was going to be more of the asphalt taken off to evaluate. Have you taken off any
since the last meeting?
Rom: Yeah, when we had met out there we had exposed a pretty good area of it and seen
that it, we did it around a window, and it looks like years ago somebody had done
replacement windows before they put the asphalt siding on and that's been patched
together. It wasn't a very good look.
Catherine: There has been a lot of cobbling together with this house.
Rom: Yeah, and Wayne Doolittle had assessed that it had at least three additions. I
believe Tim agreed with us on that when we were looking at it and kind of found out
where we thought the original home was, and it ended
Jerry: About here. (Referring to the photgraph)
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Rom: Exactly, Homeowner A added here, Homeowner B added here, Homeowner C put
it over here; it looks like everyone was trying to accommodate their living situation and
this is what we have now.
Jerry: And somebody put these big windows in here
Rom: Yes
Jerry: Which were probably doubles at one time
Rom: Yes, yes and you can see where we tore off right by the porch how it's been
scabbed together underneath there and the clapper boards have been removed and then
what ever material....
Jerry: There might have been two windows there at one time.
Rom: Exactly, you're probably right.
Lynn: So, you are going to remove the asphalt siding before the vinyl layer is installed?
Rom: Yes, that is what we agreed upon, that would give it a better look. Right.
Lynn: And you are going to do caulking for the gaps that do occur?
Rom: Yes, Yes
Lynn: And what about the vapor barrier?
Rom: As far as....
Lynn: According to what Tim wrote there is a paint -able vapor barrier.
Catherine: That's on the interior.
Rom: And he was going to get me some literature on that.
Tim: Sherwin Williams and Glidden and a number of manufacturers now make
something that you can paint on the inner walls and...
Rom: That is something that we will check in to.
Lynn: And you would be willing to do that?
Tim: Check on to or willing to do? Because we have to for the point of the meeting -
have a commitment.
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Mary Jane: Lynn: It's like a primer. It is similar to a Primer. It would act as a primer.
Tim: Has the inside of the house been painted?
Rom: Yes, yes it has. It's something that we would be willing to do.
Tim: OK
Todd: Can you review, for me, what was the plan for the trim around the windows and
the soffits and the gables and that sort of thing, please?
Rom: The soffits and fascia were to be scraped and painted the accent color of hunter
green. We were going with a white vinyl siding with a hunter green trim and so the soffit
and fascia wasn't going to be altered other than scraped and, you know, painted to the
color match. With the drip mold on the tops of the windows that had them, we were
going to reconstruct them to look as they did before they were removed. I was advised by
Wayne Doolittle to use wood not vinyl, not try to find a vinyl trim piece that they may
make to put up there, like a pre-fabbed vinyl piece. He would rather it be made out of
wood and then painted green with the color scheme that we had planned on going with
the house.
Todd: When you get the asphalt off, just so everybody can think through this, there are
going to be corners. Corner trim as well that defines the corners of the house, here and
here and in the front of the house. There are going to be four plus, five inch wide corner
boards where that clapboard butts into. I think that that should be treated as trim and not
sided over with vinyl.
Rom: Now the corners that we seen, there was a significant amount, if you are wanting
us to remove, like lets say if there is any damage on the stuff that is closest to the ground,
you would rather see that J Trim to that, and the corners stay wood and painted. Is that
what you are asking?
Todd: That is generally a trim piece, a trim detail on the corners of these houses that
define the edges of the house so that it doesn't just disappear, that's all.
Rom: My only concern is that if there is any kind of rot, and then if you prefer for us to
do it that way then that can be done that way and we can just J Trim to the corner and we
can just go up the existing, get the proper measurements and cut them to fit. That would
eliminate using the vinyl corner posts.
Todd: Exactly.
Rom: But, I am going to have to seal the J Trim to the wood with a silicon caulk...
Todd: It's a standard thing that's been required by the Commission in the past.
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Jerry: You leave this thing.open and you these corners open for leaks.
Rom: That's my concern, because the vinyl protects it, for, for good. That does expose
it, but by caulking -there are preventative measures I can take if this is what will get us
going on this.
Tim: Can you specify the caulk, now.
Rom: Specify?!
Tim: Silicon or latex? If it's latex, it doesn't really bond that well ... to wood.
Rom: Silicon.
Tim: Right, and you are willing to use silicon caulk?
Rom: It would have to be a100% silicon caulk.
A discussion of the virtues of various silicon caulks ensued between Rom, Jerry and Tim.
Rom: If I am going to leave the corners with the natural wood I am going to paint them
green just to, I think it would look far better, because like we had talked, I believe it was
you (Lynn) that made the comment about what we could do to accent the corners rather
than them being white. And I think that it would look fantastic if it was green along with
the soffit and fascia and the window trim. I think that would look very nice.
Todd: Just like the house across the street.
Rom: Yeah, basically, basically.
Todd: No, exactly like the house across the street, white and green trim.
Tim: I think it was the northeast corner of the house or the northeast side, when they did
the initial installation of the vinyl siding it went just about all the way to the ground. And
I know that we discussed that just a little bit and I think that the remedy for that was that
you were trying to conceal whatever asphalt shingle was present on the house in that area
and bring your vinyl all the way down to the ground. Has it been determined, once the
asphalt shingle is removed, if you wouldn't need to go down as far?
Rom: Here's what my plan for that was. We were going cut six inches up and take a 1"x
6"treated piece of lumber and wrap it in aluminum. Okay? And basically it would look
like a frieze board around, then you would have your frieze board look and then you
would see your block underneath. Okay? And being that it is treated and wrapped in
aluminum and then we'd J trim to the top of that, I think that that would look very nice.
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And, and it's a protected lumber, number one it's treated and number two it's wrapped in
aluminum and I don't see how that is taking pretty good measure to prevent that from
rotting.
Tim: Has the foundation, let me say this, do we have an anti erosion issue here? Is there
more ground than there was when the house was built and is it concealing the brick
foundation? So, I know that in the rear of the house there were negative grade issues and
you were going to try to re -grade it so that the water would not infiltrate back into the
crawl space and foundation.
Rom: Right. Right.
Tim: Is that the same situation, though, on this northeast corner or north side of the
house to where if you re -address the ground so then you wouldn't have to add the frieze
board?
Rom: Well without digging into it further I would not know. I was coming at you with
this plan of attack hoping that it would resolve that entire issue. Then the only other
problem we could attack after that would be the negative grade of the land. You know
what I mean?
Tim: I'm just not sure, I guess in my mind, completely comfortable with the remedy that
you were talking about and I was trying to see if we could incorporate some of the other
landscape plans to see if you could solve it that way.
Rom: Well, my only concern with that is, is that from where the house sits I have the
alley way to contend with and I have the street to contend with; so to change the grade of
the land I would almost have to bring that up in order to slope it down and I can't change
the street and I can't change the alley. And if I dig down all I am doing is creating a huge
valley. Yes, I could make it slope down but it's only going to hit the alley way and only
hit the street, and then boom, then we have a puddle and I don't think...
Tim: And I don't think that you will ever be able to do any more than what was done
there originally, unless there's a lot of ground swelling, that's taking place. It just looked
higher than what was there originally.
Rom: And that's why I suggested cutting up into it and expose what was there because
like I had said when we were our there that I am, I am confident there is a few layers of
brick underneath that siding and, but I am not sure. But I think that if I can expose at
least six more inches of brick, we would be perfect then we don't have to add anything
there. Don't you agree?
Tim: Right. Less is more.
Rom: But if the case comes that; I cut into it and there aren't any more brick, then the
treated lumber wrapped in aluminum would be a sufficient fix for the problem.
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Jerry: I think that that would work all right. I think that that would be fine.
Todd: I have one last question regarding the painting -if you are finished with that line of
questioning. I guess that I am just curious, your COA is to do the paint, you know, on the
windows, your intention is to paint the window sash? Is that your understanding? And
how are you going to accomplish that in December?
Rom: We use, like I explained to Catherine and Amy, we have to pick and choose our
days. Right now, the longer we wait the harder it is for me. But if I have 32 degrees or
higher there is a paint at my paint distributor, UCT-United Coating Technologies, there is
a paint designed for cold weather. And it is an exterior paint and if I have 32 degrees or
warmer, I am safe to use this and it will adhere. And that is what I was explaining to
these guys, that time is of the essence, right now.
Tim: Is that a vinyl based paint?
Rom: A vinyl based paint? No, this is a oil-based paint.
Linda: Have you ever done it in that kind of weather?
Rom: Yes. We have been in business six years and we do this all day, every day.
Linda: And it lasts?
Rom: Yes, and the only time, when it gets to certain... like the snow's flying and it's
freezing and there is no way around it we, ah, we, like with the Section 8 properties,
problems occur then we get a Paint Waiver until the spring. And then as soon as spring
hits we have a half a dozen garages we gotta go and scrape `em all down and get `em
painted real quick and then they come and re -inspect. That's if it's a Section 8 home.
Most of the time we can get away with that, too, with the appraisals and the underwriters
understand the same situation.
Jerry: Linda, actually, actually, painting at a little bit lower temperature causes the paint
not to dry so fast, soaks into the wood a little farther and tends to hold longer.
Linda: Well do you use a primer?
Rom: No.
Tim: But also, Jerry, it closes up the pores of the wood and it doesn't allow any
penetration that way, too, so there's another...
Jerry: I know, I know, well, nothing is perfect.
Tim: No, it's not.
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Jerry: This is northern Indiana, it's tough.
Rom: We just don't one coat. A primer? A primer is to eliminate so many coats of
paint. We just apply the paint, apply the paint and apply the paint until we are satisfied
with the paint. It doesn't matter, if one coat covers beautifully, great, good for us. It may
take seven coats, you know. But, basically the primer sealer it depends upon what
material we are putting it on , if it is a smooth surface and there is no way for us to etch it
to make the paint adhere an oil based primer will go on first and then the paint that we
apply will adhere to it and then we are safe to go with that.
Tim: So, then in this situation you would apply an oil based primer first? First order of
business?
Rom: No, I would not. The exterior paint is an oil based paint. So, it would not need a
primer and plus there is already several layers of..
Tim: But even regular oil based paints need a primer, because the primer is the binder
and it keys into the wood and then...
Rom: No, no, as long as that wood, as long as I expose a layer, if I just brush over this
table with sandpaper, right here, and I put paint on that, that paint's gonna stick as
opposed to just putting paint on there even if I put primer right there. You know what I
mean? As long as I provide an etched material, an etched surface it will adhere.
Jerry: So, basically what you are going to do is scrape as much as you can...
Rom: Yes, we will scrape everything loose...
Jerry: ...and then roughen and rough the surface
Rom: Yes
Jerry: and there will be a mechanical adhesion.
Linda: Well originally you talked about laying vinyl over the sills but now you are going
the scrape and paint the sills and leave it.
Rom: Yes, to preserve the more natural look. We had come to the conclusion. And we
are going to build. Remember how we talked, we were going to cap over the window sills
to where the new dog ear, well you can't see over the bottom (referring to photograph),
but on the lower parts of the window....and we are going to rebuild those...
Tim: There may be two windows that the sills are split lengthwise from expansion or
whatever...
A discussion between Rom, Jerry, Linda and Tim concerning the windows ensued at this
point.
Lynn: Have everyone's questions been addressed?
Linda: Do you want a motion? I make a motion that we approve this application COA
2006-1122 as revised by Tim Klusczinski and presented
Todd: Read those amendments into the motion
Lynn: The soffit and fascia to be scraped and painted, drip mold to be reconstructed with
wood, comers to be left exposed as a trim detail to define the edges, the vinyl to be run
up to those J trim to the comers, this will eliminate the earlier discussed vinyl comer
posts, they will seal them to the trim with 100% silicon caulk.
Tim: They will re -paint with an interior vapor barrier. Remove the vinyl already
installed so that they can remove the asphalt siding to the clapboards.
Lynn: Anything else?
Linda: To repair the sill.
Tim: Yes, and just to be generic to adjust the negative grade.
Jerry: To the extend that you can and I would also suggest downspout extensions
Rom: Yes, we are putting on full new gutter system and downspouts and extensions.
Linda Riley: So moved
Mary Jane: Second
Lynn: All in favor: Six Ayes
One Nay Todd Zeiger, didn't feel the COA followed the guidelines
MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
OF SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY
January 22, 2007
13th Floor Conference Room
County — City Building, South Bend, Indiana
Members Present: Lynn Patrick [Vice President], Mary Jane Chase [Secretary], Catherine Hostetler, Tim
Klusczinski, [President] Shawn Peterson [Legal Counsel], Linda Riley
Staff Present: Catherine Hostetler [Director], Amy Herdman [Asst. Director],
Absent: Todd Zeiger, Jerry Ujdak, Martha Choitz, Joann Sporleder
I. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL: President Tim Klusczinski called to order at 7:05pm.
H. PUBLIC HEARING, None.
B. LANDMARKS - None
C. NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION — None.
III. REGULAR BUSINESS
A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes of 12/18/2007 Moved: Patrick Second: Chase
Approved Unanimously.
Minutes of 12/27/2007 Moved: Patrick Second: Riley
Approved: Unanimously.
B. COMMITTEE REPORTS
L Treasurer's Report
Location report presented by Catherine Hostetler
2. President's Report
Standing Committee assignments will be distributed with minutes.
Special Committee for Southhold Awards is as follows:
Mary Jane Chase, Chair
Catherine Hostetler, Lynn Patrick, Linda Riley
SBCSC
The South Bend Community School Corporation Board of Trustees reelected its 2006 officers for
a repeat term in 2007. According to the South Bend Tribune, Feasibility studies. were also
approved on January 8, 2007 for Monroe and Marquette Primary Centers. Hebard & Hebard
Architects, Inc. has been commissioned for the study, which will likely be completed by early.
February. Of the two schools mentioned, only Monroe sustains the protection of Landmark
status. Therefore, I am openly concerned about school corporation proposals that affect
Marquette as this usually implies a demolition and reconstruction plan.
Interdepartmental Relations
Our community is in a state of crisis, apparent thru the number of vacant and abandoned
properties. This was the topic of discussion last Tuesday (January 10h) at a public Community
and Economic forum, at the Minority Health Coalition offices (Lasalle Square) with participation
by Mayor- Luecke. Also at the meeting, Jeff Gibney was introduced as the new and Interim
Executive Director of South Bend's Dept of Community and Economic Development. Public
discussion ensued over topics related to housing and included: predatory lending, redevelopment
strategies, crime, and funding challenges to name a few. As an FYI, South Bend's Code
Enforcement Department classifies a vacant property as abandoned after a six-month period. The
City of South Bend estimates that the vacancy rate for non -apartment dwellings is somewhere
between 6.3% and 6.8%. Although both officials did not rebut public assessments that pockets of
housing stock in the inner city could exceed vacancy levels of 30% or even 40%. City officials
were actively inviting input and suggestions from the public.
On Saturday, I attended the Annual membership Meeting of the Near -Northwest Neighborhood,
Inc. (a local Community Development Corporation) here in South Bend. Many of South Bend's
public officials were in attendance. Mayor Luecke had an opportunity to thank and encourage the
efforts of the Near Norwest Neighborhood in reclaiming blighted neighborhoods. However, he
also revealed that funding opportunities for this work and mission would soon be at a premium.
Harmonious with the meeting earlier in the week, the Mayor reinforced the property tax
relationship and disparity between the suburbs and the inner city. Recent legislation down state
enacted a 2% circuit breaker designed to limit the hardship for those that pay a rate higher than
that — beginning in 2008. Unfortunately, this will have a negative effect upon City and County
operating budgets.
I wanted to report on these events this evening as the implications of these hardships may
severely impact this office. It is conceivable (likely) that we will find opportunities as well as
challenges for residential properties that will be affected. As you know large concentrations of
inner city housing stock are also inside Local Historic Districts. I will recommend and explore
opportunities for this Commission to assist other agencies assuming a more proactive
rehabilitation strategy. Similarly, we must be on guard against, changes that will adversely affect
our domain.
We must also beware of imminent and drastic limits to our own funding. Since this marks a large
limit our own mission success. As more information becomes apparent I will relay it to all of
you.
South Bend Civic Theater
On a more positive note, I attended the ribbon -cutting ceremony and tour of the South Bend Civic
Theater on January 4`i'. It's an outstanding example of architectural recycling and meticulous
restoration. I wish to commend the SBCT for their dedication and vision toward that project and
encourage the public to support their devoted artistic efforts in both theater and community.
C. STAFF REPORTS
Director — Catherine Hostetler
Due to current budget situations, Director Hostetler suggested that the HPC move to rescind the
request to increase the Director's salary. Request was Bill#005-07, to be heard by the Land Use
Planning Committee.
Move to rescind request: Patrick Second: Riley
Approved Unanimously.
Assistant Director — Amy Herdman
Report distributed to Commissioners, including invitations to City Celebration kick off event on
January 29, 2007.
ADJOURNMENT Moved: Patrick Second: Chase
Approved: Unanimously.
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Note: Includes transactions after the last posted date of 12-31-2006.
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66,050.00
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883.00
700.00
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59.50
51.90
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111.40
1,320.00
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00
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92.31
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92.31
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92.31
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95.46
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94.12
700.00
100.00
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100.00
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92.31
33,276.92
92.31
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92.31
1,250.00
95.46
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94.12
700.00
100.00
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96.15
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425.00
100.00
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100.00
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100.00
160.00
100.00
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100.00
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WHEREAS, The City of South Bend is pleased to partner with the Historic Preservation Commission of
South Bend and St. Joseph County to host City Celebration 2007, a year long series of events,
programs, lectures, and parties celebrating the unique assets of our city; and
WHEREAS, South Bend is not only the regional center for business and industry, commerce, health, and
education, but it also presents arts, culture, sports and entertainment offering a unique mix of
opportunities for our current residents, visitors, and future South Benders as well; and
WHEREAS, South Bend's comprehensive vision for building our community - City Plan, recently approved
by the Common Council, encourages the betterment of South Bend through the promotion,
maintenance, preservation, and patronage of these outstanding features, and attractions; and
WHEREAS, The City of South Bend has a multitude of treasures including our exceptional museums,
beautiful parks, scenic river trails, premiere performing arts centers, and outstanding
professional and amateur sports and recreational facilities.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, STEPHEN J. LUECKE,
MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA,
DO HEREBY DECLARE, TODAY AS THE BEGINNING OF
"CITY CELEBRATION 2007
LET THE PARTY BEGIN"
And 1 invite residents to out and explore the diversity, scale and breadth of our community's attributes and learn
more about why South Benders can be so proud of their city!
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and return it to: Botanical Society of South Bend, P. O. Box 4236, South Bend, IN 46634 by March 26th with
your check. All orders will be delivered to: 2105 Mishawaka Avenue, South Bend, IN (across from IUSB).
You will need to pick up your order between 11 am and 3 Pm on Mav 5th. Info: www.Botanica[SocietySB.org
Name
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Address
Flats
Marigolds - Dwarf Mix
Marigolds - Dwarf Yellow
Marigolds - Tall Yellow
Zinnia - Dwarf Mix
Zinnia - Tall Mix
Impatiens - 48 Red
Impatiens - 48 Pink
Impatiens - 48 Lilac
Impatiens - 48 White
Impatiens - 48 Salmon
Impatiens -48 Mix
Snapdragons - Dwarf
Snapdragons -Tall Mix
Pansy Mix
Coleus - Red
Coleus - Mix
Alyssum - Pink
Alyssum - Purple
Alyssum - White
Salvia - Dwarf Red
Salvia - Medium Red
Salvia - Tall Red
Salvia -Victorian Blue
Salvia - Purple
Salvia -.White
Salvia - Mix
Celosia Mix
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etunias - Red
etunias - Pink
Petunias - Burgundy
Petunias - Blue
Petunias - Salmon
Petunias - Rose/White
Petunias,- Velvet/White
Petunias - Blue Vein
Petunias - Plum
Petunias -Yellow
Petunias - Rose
Petunias - Red/White
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Phone # (
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$10.00
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Fuschia
$10.00
$
Black Eyed Susan
$10.00
$
Impatiens - Dbl Pink
$10.00
$
Impatiens - Dbl Salmon
$10.00
$
Impatiens - Dbl Red
$10.00
$
Impatiens - Pink
$10.00
$
Impatiens - Salmon
$10.00
$
Impatiens - Red
$10.00
$
Impatiens - Mix
$10.00
$
Petunia Wave -Blue
$10.00
$
Petunia Wave - Purple
$10.00
$
Petunia Wave -Pink
$10.00
$
N Guinea Impat. - Red
$10.00
$
N Guinea Impat. Orchid
$10.00
$
Petunia - White
$10.00
$
Petunia -Red
$10.00
$
Petunia -Mix
$10.00
$
Ivy Geranium -Pink
$10.00
$
Ivy Geranium -Red
$10.00
$
Begonia Grn Leaf Pink
$10.00
$
Begonia Grn Leaf White
$10.00
$
Begonia Grn Leaf Red
$10.00
$
Begonia Grn Leaf Mix
$10.00
$
Begonia Gld Leaf Gin
$10.00
$
Begonia Gld Lf Vodka
$10.00
$
Begonia Gid Lf Whiskey
$10.00
$
Begonia Gld Leaf Mix
$10.00
$
Wandering Jew
$10.00
$
$10.00
$
$10.00
$
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$10.00
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Petunias - Blue White
$10.00
$
Petunias - Sky blue
$10.00
$
Petunias - Mix
$10.00
$
Dbl Petunias - Red
$10.00
$
Dbl Petunias Burgundy
$10.00
$
Dbl Petunias Rose/Wht
$10.00
$
Dbl Petunias - White
$10.00
$
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$10.00
$
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$15.00
$15.00
$15.00
$15.00
$15.00
$15.00
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Thank you for, your support!
Director's Report
January -February 2007
January 4 Attended dedication of South Bend Civic Theatre.
January 8, Met with Assistant Professor Krupali Uplekar, Jitin'Kain and George
Adler of Community and Economic Development concerning developing ND
graduate Preservation course with local sites using Six at Risk as the basis. I will be
giving a power point presentation and then a walking tour of Downtown South
Bend.
January 9 Met with Mike Eby, County Auditor on Budget issues and proper
accounting of the calendar and HPC hut money.
January 16 Attended the Abandoned Property meeting presented by the Mayor
and Jeff Gibney on West side.
January 19 Meeting with Margaret Ridenour of Indiana Department of
Economic Development discussion concerning economic development on a
regional level. Set up a meeting with her and Mark Dobson; speaking
engagements for Rotary and the Economic Club of Michiana
January 22 Meeting with Department Heads and management staff with
County Commissioners concerning impact of Circuit Breaker.
Landmark created at Common Council for 853 Forest with a 9-0 vote.
January 26 Power Point presentation of South Bend through industrial age to
present for Notre Dame graduate architecture class. Also met with Sue Kesirn
concerning Botanical Society.
January 29 City Celebration Kick Off and Press Conference at the Press Box,
College Football Hall of Fame. .
January 31 Meeting with Hebard&Hebard concerning scope of work on'
landmarked Monroe School.: exterior changes or demolition on later additions;
replacement of slate roof, window restoration were primary. Attended the first
membership meeting of the Botanical Society of South Bend and gave a
presentation on Endowment Funds and the history of Lord and Burnham
Greenhouses and Conservatories.
February] Attended a Countywide meeting concerning the affects of the Circuit
Breaker on the budgets of the City and County. Volunteered to be on the task
force.
February 6 Meeting with Jason Durr of Public Works, Staff and Brendon
Crumlish concerning the sewer project under the St. Joseph River between
Northshore and Riverside Drive and its application for a COA.
February 9 Meeting with Mayor and President Klusczinski concerning the
Commission's role in the City and our involvement with promoting the City and
its neighborhoods and the annual grant funding to HPC from the City.
Conducted walking tour our downtown South Bend between 1:30-4:30 for Dr.
Krupali Uplekar's graduate class, reviewed architectural styles and the evolution of
the downtown from the 1900s -present along Michigan and Main between Wayne
and LaSalle.
February 12 Meeting of the Finance Committee for the Northern Indiana Center
for History.
February 15 Met with Lynn Patrick and Mary Jane Chase concerning Southhold
Awards on May 5, its menu and pricing and 2006 awards. Participated in
Botanical Society steering committee meeting at 5:30.
February 22 March Museum Madness meeting with interested parties from all
area museums, DTSB, HPC staff and Mayor's Office. Attended the Grand opening
of the Family Justice Center at 711 E. Colfax; HPC did the 106 reviews and
worked with Catherine Wilson and DOJ Washington DC office for this project.
Attended Mayor Luecke's campaign announcement. Participated in Botanical
Society meeting at Zion Church, elected to Board of Directors and Secretary
position.
February 23 Attended John Charles Bryant's presentation on South Bend's
African American Founding Families and Notable Citizens at the SJC Library. HPC
sponsored event with Black Expo providing refreshments.
Assistant Director's Report
HPC Meeting — 02-26-2007
■ Convened a meeting with Liz Maradik, Tim Rouse, Tim K, Wayne, and
Catherine regarding efforts in Taylor's Field.
■ Met with Deb Martin of City GIS to secure original plans and blueprints of
Leeper/Potawatomi/Howard Park.
■ Worked extensively with Mikki Dobski and Jennifer Jackson of the Mayor's
office on City Celebration. .
■ Assisted in creation of City Celebration website.
■ Hosted City Celebration kick off at HOF on 1/29/07.
■ Went to the Public Works vault to retrieve documents.
■ Met with Scott Shuler of Center for History to work on NEH grant.
■ Attended State of the City.
■ Met with Jason Durr, Wayne, Catherine, and Brendan Crum lish regarding
I
item on tonight's agenda.
■ Attended meeting at DTSB regarding March Museum Madness.
■ Attended Monroe Park Neighbor's Association Meeting regarding efforts in
Taylor's Field.
■ Met with Cindy Bodle regarding DUNS numbers and grant application
process.
■ Proofed final edition of Spring newsletter.
■ Met with Jennifer Gregar of HLFI regarding RestoreMichiana.
■ Attended Code Enforcement hearing.
■ Attended County Commissioners meeting to obtain permission to apply for
NEH grant.
■ Rescheduled Main Street Meeting for 3/2/07 at DTSB.
■ Took receipt of, and mailed out current newsletter.
■ Met with Black History Month speaker, John Charles Bryant.
■ Attended three additional meetings with Jennifer Jackson.
■ Convened a meeting of all museums in SB for sit down regarding March
Museum Madness.
■ Spoke with and secured Bill Barnard for lunch speech at RestoreMichiana.
■ Handled catering order for RestoreMichiana.
■ Completed grant prospectus for Indiana Humanities Council grant in
conjunction with HLFI.
■ Proofed Vender mailing for RestoreMichiana.
■ Assisted with set up and attended John Charles Bryant program.
■ Authored media alerts regarding upcoming programs, and program
postponements.
■ Began work on new promotional pieces for RestoreMichiana, conferred with
graphic designer.
■ +Got accepted into graduate school at Duquesne.
■ Received notification of 2 successful grant applications from Cornelius .
O'Brien Lectureship Committee.
■ Contributed to Monroe Park neighborhood profile in the 2/25/07 SBT.
■ Toured Taylor's Field and LWE historic districts to inspect structures.
■ Sent out 3 nastygrams to homeowners out of compliance regarding
Minimum Maintenance Standards.
■ Placed order for seeds to restore Leeper Park Herb Gardens.
■ Application accepted for position on South Bend's NRC Board.
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Riverside Drive
Local Historic District
Guidelines
I. THE ENVIRONMENT
A. THE DISTRICT ENVIRONMENT
The district is characterized by its proximity to downtown South Bend and by its intimate rela-
tionship with the St. Joseph River. The district encompasses the seven blocks of Riverside Drive
which follow the river front from Lafayette Street to the east to Angela Boulevard to the west. For
a portion of that route, there is a row of houses facing the river from across Riverside Drive, while
in another portion, residence are situated on both sides of the street, with some properties abutting
the river and others located across the drive. The district also includes homes located on Hudson
and Golden Streets, between the drive and the alley defining the southern boundary of the district,
as well as three separate park areas which lie adjacent to the river's edge: a portion of Leeper Park
to the East; all of Shetterly Park in the middle and a portion of Brownfield Part to. the West.
Required
Distinctive existing features such as parks, gardens, streetlights, fences, signs, benches, walkways
streets alleys and building setbacks shall be retained. New plant materials, fencing, walkways,
streetlights, signs and benches shall be compatible with the character of the neighborhood in size,
scale, material and color. Street lighting should be maintained at levels recommended by the
Illumination Engineering Society. Light sources must have spectral distribution in all color ranges.
Sources and light posts should be uniform throughout the District. Lamp fixtures and supporting
posts must be similar in proportion, scale and detail to existing historic lamps (see appendix) or a
suitable replacement which closely duplicates the standard in size, shape, style and appearance,
i.e., Herwig Lighting Company standard or similar. Streetlights should be placed so that adequate
illumination is afforded all sections of the public sidewalks. Tree and landscaping elements that
must be removed for one reason or another shall be immediately replaced by suitable flora. The
river front neighborhood character of the district shall be retained.
Recommended
Whenever possible, the original features should be restored. Plant materials and trees in dose prox-
imity to buildings, sidewalks or streets that are causing deterioration to those elements should be
removed. If erosion control efforts become necessary to preserve the riverbank, they should involve
processes and materials consistent with the natural beauty of the banks. Large, deep-rooted trees
and shrubs as well as fast spreading ground cover should be used when planting for erosion con-
trol. As much natural vegetation as possible should be preserved. If large shrubs become unsight-
ly, they should be cut back and allowed to rejuvenate. Dead and diseased material should be
selectively removed. Do not dump leaves and grass clippings on planted slopes as this practice will
kill much of the low ground cover and leave soil more susceptible to erosion. When replacement of
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utility poles or power supply lines is necessary, consideration should be given to underground con-
duits or utility poles erected along rear property lines.
Prohibited
Existing relationships of buildings and their environments shall not be destroyed through widen-
ing existing streets, application of asphalt or other bituminous coverings, or by introducing new
streets or parking lots. Signs, streetlights, benches, major landscaping items, fencing, walkways and
paving materials which are out of scale or inappropriate to the neighborhood may not be used. The
introduction of heavy trucks or similar vehicles in the District shall be prohibited.
B. BUILDING SITE, LANDSCAPING
AND ACCESSORIES
Individual properties in the district are characterized by a house located in the center of a flat lawn,
often divided by a walk leading to the front entrance. Several of the residences are sited on two or
more building lots; however, the preponderance of the
homes have been erected on a single lot. Most of the prop- i
erties include a double garage, usually located at the rear of i
the property. The majority of garages are accessed from t
straight driveways leading from the main thoroughfare,
while a few are accessed from the alley. There are also a few t y�
homes with a covered carport located at the rear of the
property, as well as a few with circular driveways. i 1
Driveway and sidewalk materials include concrete, asphalt i
and brick. All of the properties have trees and most have
trimmed shrubbery and/or hedges. Most of the houses con-
form to a uniform setback line within each block. 4 j
Required
Plants, trees, fencing, walkways, private yard lights, signs
(house numbers) and benches which reflect the property's
history and development shall be retained.
Recommended
driveway
New site work should be based upon actual knowledge of
the past appearance of the property found in photographs,
drawings and newspapers. New site work should be
appropriate to existing surrounding site elements in scale,
type and appearance. Plant materials and trees in close
proximity to the building that are causing deterioration to
the building's historic fabric should be removed. However,
trees and plant materials that must be removed should be
immediately replaced by suitable flora. All high-intensity
security lights should be approved by the Historic
Preservation Commission.
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STAFF REPORT
CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
Date: February 14, 2007
Application Number: 2007-0214
Property Location: 344 S. Sunnyside
Property Owner: Emee and Robert Miller
Landmark or District Designation: E. Wayne Street Local Historic District
Rating: Contributing
STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: The Colonial Revival at 334 Sunnyside
was built in 1948 by Whitcomb and Keller Inc., for J. Benson & Elsie Ball. Mr. Ball was'a division
manager with I&M Electric Company. In 1949 the Balls added a connecting breezeway and garage to
their house. The Balls lived in the house until 1950 when they sold it to Indiana Franklin Realty, Inc.,
which rented the house out for the next 15 years. The Miller's purchased the house in 1992.
APPLICATION ITEMS: David Sassano has designed an addition (Exhibits A&B) which will be
incorporated into the current footprint (Exhibit C)of the house but will extend the south elevation of the non -
original 1949 garage addition by 40 feet. It will extend 11 feet to the east off of the 1949 breezeway addition.
The breezeway had been altered into an enclosed two story addition to the house prior to 1986. The proposed
new work will also include a screened in porch facing Wayne Street, in addition to the extension of the kitchen
to the east, adding a family room to the southeast and will result in a new garage entrance facing the south
alley. The south alley will then become the driveway. The materials to be used will be wood siding on the
exposed areas and matching synthetic materials on the east (non exposed) facades. Removed siding and
windows will be reused in the new construction. New windows and siding will match the existing. The
Millers are also reapplying for a porch with an architectural pediment and pilasters for the front door
previously approved by the Commission because the COA has expired. (Exhibit D)
East Wayne Street Standards: M. New Construction New construction includes any new building or
structure constructed within the boundaries of the historic district, or any new addition to an existing building.
New construction should be designed considering the appearance of the other buildings in the neighborhood.
A. Height and Proportion Required: The height of a new structure and its height to width proportions shall
be consistent with adjacent buildings in the districts. The building height shall be no greater than that of the
tallest existing structure and no less than that of the lowest existing structure of the same type in the same
block. Fagade proportions shall be established by permitting no structure with a fagade wider or narrower than
those existing in the same block. Additions to existing buildings shall be related in height and proportion to
the existing structure. B Building Materials Required: Exterior materials used on a new structure shall be
compatible in scale, texture, color with adjacent structures. Materials used on an addition to an existing
structure shall relate to.the existing or original materials of that structure. As much of the original structure as
[possible shall be retained so that the addition could be removed without damage to the basic structure and
appearance of the building. (Full text of the Standards is attached)
RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends approval. The Miller's have been consulting with the
Commission for over two years on this project. The Standards and Maintenance Committee along with the
Staff met with the Miller's in January, 2005 and approved of the concept of this addition to this house. The
Millers have engaged an architect that has designed an addition that is appropriate in size and scale to the
house. The new materials will match the original construction. The porch over the front door compliments the
architectural style of the house.
Application
- FOR -
Certificate of Appropriateness
Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County
125 S. Lafayette Blvd., Soukh Bend, Indiana 46601 .
Mailing Address: County -City BuBding, South Bend, Indiana 46601
Phone. 574-235-9798 • Fasw 574-235.9M • Email: SBSjCHPC@co stjOseph in us
Website: http://www.stjosephcountlindiana com/sjchp/index htnd
OFFICE USE ONLY» >» > DO NOT COMPLETE ANY ENTRIES CONY nVED BV THIS BOX »»» OFFICE USE ONLY 1
Date Received too 7 Application Number'Z 0 a 7 - 0 -U -9f
Past Reviews: ❑ YES Owe of last xeolac)
Stasi Approval authorized by:
Historic Commission Review Date: ai'ti .GA� 0, or %
[] Local Landmark [v]LLocal Historic District {Name) _
National Landmark C1 National Register District (Name)
Certificate of Appropriateness:
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n Denied C] Tabled [] Sent To Committee ] Approved and Issued
DATE
Address of Property for proposed work: q i'1 Minn �t j e
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Name of Property Owner(s): (Please Print) �a � ,342 1 9" <C` M 11'3 Ll LA1 t?
Address of Property Owner(s): y C) V1C1 a e-
Contractor(s) Name: Na V) 6)am+
Contract Company Name: P36 b 6an:a4
Contractor Address:
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Current Use of Building. ,`�-\t;,l r.E . -�rvti� 11., �n
(Single Family - Multi -Family - Commcrc'
Government -Industrial -Vacant -etc.)
Type of Building Construction: woo & •��Y"Y 1 -
(Wood Frame - Brick - Ston - Steel - Concrete - Other)
Proposed Work: (] In-kind [] Landscape 0 New E] Replacement (not in-kind) (] Demolition
(more than on box may be checked)
Description of Proposed Wt ork: bL .X'��'�t2tiY1 t� t Tt l E3 n k (_..i t 18 i rxl
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Owner/Contractor: Fax e-mail
Olds off •ice will correspond unth only one designee) C 1 1LG
and/or
-- APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS ARE LISTED ON REVERSE SIDE --
Remodeling and Addition
Emee & Robert B. Miller
344 S. Sunnyside
South Bend, IN 46615
Our residence, of 16 years, will be remodeled and additions plan to be added.
Approximately 1600 square feet will be added, of which 40 feet to the south and 11 feet
to the east. This will include a screened in porch facing Wayne street, extending kitchen
east, adding family room southeast new garage south facing the alley. The alley will now
be our driveway.
The materials to be used will be wood siding on exposed areas and matching
synthetic materials on the east (non -exposed) facades. The simplistic intergrety of the
house will be maintained throughout.
Remodeling and Addition
Emee & Robert B. Miller
344 S. Sunnyside
South Bend, IN 46615
Our residence, of 16 years, will be remodeled and additions plan to be added.
Approximately 1604 square feet will be added, of which 40 feet to the south and 11 feet
to the east. This will include a screened in porch facing Wayne Street, extending kitchen
east, adding family room southeast new garage south facing the alley. The alley will now
be our driveway.
The materials to be used will be wood siding on exposed areas and matching
synthetic materials on the east (non -exposed) facades. The simplistic integrity of the
house will be maintained throughout.
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E. MECHANICAL SYSTEMS
The majority of the structures within the district have oil or gas heat, and have brick chimneys
through the roof. Some houses have one or two window air conditioners.
Required
Mechanical systems shall be placed in area_ s that will result in the least possible alteration to the struc-
tural integrity and physical appearance of
the building. Solar rnllectors and TV dishes Height -this is
shall be placed at the rear of the property ITI1� l a mandatory .
and shielded by shrub and Landscaping. LlQfl M criteria that
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should be installed at the rear or at an incon-
spicuous
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hues
ixtures should be retained whenever possible.
Prohibited
Holes shall not be cut through walls or roofs
to accommodate air conditioners or other
mechanical equipment in areas that can be
seen from the street.
Not Recommended
Exterior electrical and telephone cables
should not be attached to the street eleva-
tions
levations of the buildings.
III. NEW CONSTRUCTION
New construction includes any new build-
ing or structure constructed within the
boundaries of the historic district, or any
new addition to an existing building. New
construction should be designed consider-
ing the appearance of the other buildings in
the neighborhood.
A. HEIGHT AND PROPORTION
The majority of structures in the district are
two stories high and are square, rectangu-
lar, or irregular in plan. There are a few
story -and a half residences. The prevalent
facade proportions are between a 1:1 and a
1:2 height -to -width ratio.
Required
The height of a new structure and its
height -to -width proportions shall be con-
sistent with adjacent buildings in the
district. The building height shall be no
greater than that of the tallest existing
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structure and no less than that of the lowest existing structure of the same type in the same block.
Facade proportions shall be established by permitting no structure with a facade wider or nar-
rower than those existing in the same block. Additions to existing buildings shall be related in
height and proportion to the existing structure.
Recommended
Contemporary designs should be compatible in character and mood to the building or neighborhood.
Prohibited
Additions may not be constructed that would change the existing facade of a building, alter its scale
or architectural character, or add new height.
Not Recommended
New stories should not be added, nor should existing stories be removed, which would destroy
important architectural details, features or spaces of the building. Any style or period of architec-
ture that is incompatible with what exists should not be permitted in the new additions.
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Wall materials in the district include brick, stucco, half-timbering, stone, clapboard, shingle, and
metal and vinyl siding.
Required
Exterior materials used on a new structure shall be compatible in scale, texture and color with adjacent
structures. Materials used on an addition to an existing structure shall relate to the existing or original
materials of that structure. As much of the original structure as possible shall be retained so that the
addition could be removed without damage to the basic structure and appearance of the building.
Recommended
Metal or vinyl siding may be used when it is the only feasible alternative. This siding should be com-
patible
ompatible with the original size and style and with the materials of other buildings in the district.
Prohibited
Inappropriate materials such as asbestos, asphalt, molded or artificial stone, or artificial brick shall
not be used.
Not Recommended
Glass blocks should not be used. Concrete block should not be used for anything other than
foundations.
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344 Sunnyside, January 14, 2005 South side.
South and East side.
344 Sunnyside, January 19, 2005. Looking north.
STAFF APPROVALS
OCTOBER 1 THROUGH DECEMBER 31, 2006
2006-1004
316 LAMONTE
DEAD TREE REMOVAL
2006-1005
812 FOREST
RE -ROOF
2006-1011
107 W. NORTHSHORE DEAD TREE
REMOVAL
2006-1013
112 S. LAFAYETTE
REPAIR PORCH
2006-1018
944 RIVERSIDE
GARAGE DOOR
REPLACEMENT
2006-1031
1110 E.WAYNE
IN-KIND EYEBROW
ROOF REPAIR
2006-1101
1709 E. WAYNE
RE -ROOF
2006-1024
706 N. ST. JOE
RE -ROOF
2006-1108
701 PENNSYVANIA
LANDSCAPING AFTER
UTILITIES INSTALL
2006-1114
843 PARK
GARAGE DOOR
REPLACEMENT
2006-1115
412 LAMONTE
RE -ROOF
2006-1117
619 EDGE, WATER
PORCH RESTORATION
2006-1120
836 DUSHANE CT
RE -ROOF
2006-1120A
1219 E. WAYNE
RE -ROOF
2006-1213
952 RIVERSIDE
GARAGE RE -ROOF AND
REPAIR
2006-1214
614 PORTAGE
WINDOW
RESTORATION
2006-1214A
1201 E.WAYNE
RE -ROOF
South Bend and St. Joseph County
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
227 WEST JEFFERSON BLVD.
SOUTH BEND, IN 46601-1830
Phone: 574-235-9798 Fax: 574-235-9578
e-mail: SBSJCHPC@co.st-joseph.in.us
Timothy S. Klusczinski, President A Certified Local Government Catherine D. Hostetler, Director
City of South Bend, St. Joseph County and the HPC
2006
Environmental Reviews:
2002 86
2003 94
2004 115
2005 249
2006 96
Certificates of Annronriateness:.
=005 80 City of South Bend
=006 101 City of South Bend
106 Reviews:.
2006
3 City of South Bend
INVENTORY
I St. Joseph County
3 St. Joseph County
11 St. Joseph County
Structures in South Bend National Register Districts:
1,667 in City of South Bend 0 in St. Joseph County
Single Sites National Register Landmarks:
32 in City of South Bend 2 in St. Joseph County
Structures in Local Historic Districts:
749 in City of South Bend 0 in St. Joseph County
Local Landmarks:
129 in City of South Bend
I Chapin Park Landmark in process
73 in St. Joseph County
COMMISSIONERS
Mary Jane Chase (Treasurer) Shawn E. Peterson, Attorney Gerald Ujdak
Martha Choitz Lynn A. Patrick (Vice President) Linda Riley
Catherine Hostetler Joann Sporleder (Architectural Historian) Todd Zciger (Secretary)
IN
H
ty Re rt
lets
Dear employees,
As we look back over last year, I want to thank all
who gave back to our community as volunteers. From
our Civic Alliance team who dedicated more than 4,500
hours to the creation of South Bend's City Plan; to those
who made events like Art Beat, Sunburst Marathon,
and the many community runs and walks a success; to
residents who worked with their neighborhood organi-
zations on projects like Adopt -A -Block, Weed& Seed,
and Bicentennial Fire Hydrant Painting to keep our City
clean and beautiful; to all who volunteer at a shelter or
mission or read to a child through programs like Partner
Up; to the volunteers in schools, hospitals, libraries and
countless other organizations across our community, I say
thank you for your commitment of time, energy, and tal-
ent, to make South Bend a great place to live, work, play,
and raise a family.
I want to recognize a special group of volunteers
whose spirit of partnership and community are helping
to preserve a community treasure that may otherwise
have been lost. As a restricted City budget and limited
revenue are no longer enough to support the Muessel-El-
lison and Ella Morris Conservatories, The Friends of the
Greenhouse and the Botanical Society of South Bend
have stepped in to help the City find solutions to keep
this important asset open. Through their persistence and
hard work, and with the help of the Historic Preserva-
tion Commission and Historic Landmarks Foundation of
Indiana, they are working to develop a plan for proper
care and long term sustainability for our community.
The job ahead is not an easy one. As municipal budgets
continue to be cut, success will rest in the commitment of
these volunteers, and of the entire community, to ensure
the survival of one of South Bend's historic treasures. As
the Conservatories' volunteers continue to recruit mem-
bers and funds, I thank them for their passion, creativity
and determination to preserve South Bend's history and
attractions.
As you make plans for the new year, I encourage
you to take an opportunity to give back as well, through a
local organization or simply by sharing with someone in
need near you. Together, we can make South Bend a City
of giving.
Sincerely,
Mayor Steve
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Government each week, gaining a unique perspective on a
21st Century City in action, from the inside out.
The sessions are held on Thursday evenings for 10
weeks and will take participants inside City Departments
where they will be able to view operations, learn about
policies and procedures, review budgets, and discuss the op-
portunities and challenges facing local government today.
The City encourages participation and dialogue with
community members to help make South Bend a 21" Cen-
tury City. Mayor Luecke believes that opening the doors
for communication will help build awareness of the City's
programs and services and is a win-win for the entire com-
munity.
This is a great opportunity to explore the City outside
of your department!
submitted by Stephanie Achterberg (Legal Dept.)
MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
OF SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY
January 22, 2007
13`h Floor Conference Room
County — City Building, South Bend, Indiana
Members Present: Lynn Patrick [Vice President], Mary Jane Chase [Secretary], Catherine Hostetler, Tim
Klusczinski, [President] Shawn Peterson [Legal Counsel], Linda Riley
Staff Present: Catherine Hostetler [Director], Amy Herdman [Asst. Director],
Absent: Todd Zeiger, Jerry Ujdak, Martha Choitz, Joann Sporleder
I. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL: President Tim Klusczinski called to order at 7:05pm.
II. PUBLIC HEARING = None.
B. LANDMARKS - None
C. NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION — None.
III. REGULAR BUSINESS
A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes of 12/18/2007 Moved: Patrick Second: Chase
Approved Unanimously.
Minutes of 12/27/2007 Moved: Patrick Second: Riley
Approved: Unanimously.
B. COMMITTEE REPORTS
1. Treasurer's Report
Location report presented by Catherine Hostetler
2. President's Report
Standing Committee assignments will be distributed with minutes.
Special Committee for Southhold Awards is as follows:
Mary Jane Chase, Chair
Catherine Hostetler, Lynn Patrick, Linda Riley
SBCSC
The South Bend Community School Corporation Board of Trustees reelected its 2006 officers for
a repeat term in 2007.. According to the South Bend Tribune, Feasibility studies were also
approved on January 8, 2007 for Monroe and Marquette Primary Centers. Hebard & Hebard
Architects, Inc. has been commissioned for the study, which will likely be completed by early.
February. Of the two schools mentioned, only Monroe sustains the protection of Landmark
status. Therefore, I am openly concerned about school corporation proposals that affect
Marquette as this usually implies a demolition and reconstruction plan.
Interdepartmental Relations
Our community is in a state of crisis, apparent thru the number of vacant and abandoned
properties. This was the topic of discussion last Tuesday (January 10h) at a public Community
and Economic forum, at the Minority Health Coalition offices (Lasalle Square) with participation
by Mayor Luecke. Also at the meeting, Jeff Gibney was introduced as the new and Interim
Executive Director of South Bend's Dept of Community and Economic Development. Public
discussion ensued over topics related to housing and included: predatory lending, redevelopment
strategies, crime, and funding challenges to name a few. As an FYI, South Bend's Code
Enforcement Department classifies a vacant property as abandoned after a six-month period. The
City of South Bend estimates that the vacancy rate for non -apartment dwellings is somewhere
between 6.3% and 6.8%. Although both officials did not rebut public assessments that pockets of.
housing stock in the inner city could exceed vacancy levels of 30% or even 40%. City officials
were actively inviting input and suggestions from the public.
On Saturday, I attended the Annual membership Meeting of the Near -Northwest Neighborhood,
Inc. (a local Community Development Corporation) here in South Bend. Many of South Bend's
public officials were in attendance. Mayor Luecke had an opportunity to thank and encourage the
efforts of the Near Norwest Neighborhood in reclaiming blighted neighborhoods. However, he
also revealed that funding opportunities for this work and mission would soon be at a premium.
Harmonious with the meeting earlier in the week, the Mayor reinforced the property tax
relationship and disparity between the suburbs and the inner city. Recent legislation down state
enacted a 2% circuit breaker designed to limit the hardship for those that pay'a rate higher than
that — beginning in 2008. Unfortunately, this will have a negative effect upon City and County
operating budgets.
I wanted to report on these events this evening as the implications of these hardships may
severely impact this office. It is conceivable (likely) that we will find opportunities as well as
challenges for residential properties that will be affected. As you know large concentrations of
inner city housing stock are also inside Local Historic Districts. I will recommend and explore
opportunities for this Commission to assist other agencies assuming a more proactive
rehabilitation strategy. Similarly, we must be on guard against, changes that will adversely affect
our domain.
We must also beware of imminent and drastic limits to our own funding. Since this marks a large
limit our own mission success. As more information becomes apparent I will relay it to all of
you.
South Bend Civic Theater
On a more positive note, I attended the ribbon -cutting ceremony and tour of the South Bend Civic
Theater on January 4h. It's an outstanding example of architectural recycling and meticulous
restoration. I wish to commend the SBCT for their dedication and vision toward that project and
encourage the public to support their devoted artistic efforts in both theater and community.
C. STAFF REPORTS
Director — Catherine Hostetler
Due to current budget situations, Director Hostetler suggested that the HPC move to rescind the
request to increase the Director's salary. Request was Bill#005-07, to be heard by the Land Use
Planning Committee.
Move to rescind request: Patrick Second: Riley
Approved Unanimously.
Assistant Director — Amy Herdman
Report distributed to Commissioners, including invitations to City Celebration kick off event on
January 29, 2007.
ADJOURNMENT Moved: Patrick Second: Chase
Approved: Unanimously.
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