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Home My WebLink AboutSeptember 2006`OMMISSIONfgf Sous e r AGENDA OF THE SEPTEMBER 18, 20W, o �� - opo 0 x COMMISSION.::MEETING.:. 7865 Regular Meeting 4th Floor Council Chambers County -City Building MONDAY, September 18,2006 7:30PM I. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL II. PUBLIC HEARING A. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS 1. 1216 East Wayne Street North COA# 2006-0908 2. 710 Park Avenue COA# 2006-0908-A B. LANDMARK 1. 1013 Jefferson -Third Reading 2. 853 Forest -Second Reading C. NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION III. REGULAR BUSINESS A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES August 21, 2006 B. TREASURER'S REPORT Revised 2007 Budget & August Location Report W , C. COMMITTEE REPORTS 1. President's Report: Advisory Board 2. Committee Reports D. STAFF REPORTS: 1. C of A Approvals; Correspondence; PP � P 0: A. Director's Report B. Assistant Director's Report 2. Legal IV. OLD BUSINESS V. NEW BUSINESS VI. HEARING OF VISITORS AND ADJOURNMENT STAFF REPORT CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS Date: September 8, 2006 Application Number: 2006-0908 Property Location: 1216 E. Wayne Street North Property Owner: Elizabeth Loof Adey and Mark Adey Landmark or District Designation: E. Wayne Street LHD Rating: Contributing STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: This Colonial Revival home was designed by H.R. Stapp and built by Whitcomb and Keller in 1925 and sold to Alta and Cornelius Morris. Kurt and Tessye Simon purchased the home in 1948 and resided there until 1990. Mr. Simon was the president of Simon Brothers, now Clark Foods. The current owners are Elizabeth and Mark Adey. APPLICATION ITEMS: To install a privacy fence along their rear property line, Guidelines: I The Environment, B. Building Site, Landscaping and Accessories Required:... Structures such as gazebos ... new walls... trellises and other similar structures shall be compatible to the historic �haracter of the site and the neighborhood and inconspicuous when viewed from a public walkway. ecommended:...New site work should be appropriate to the existing surrounding site elements in scale, type and appearance.... RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends approval. The fence will provide for a more formal and finished appearance to the backyard's landscaping than its current exposure to the neighbors' garages and unkempt backyards. The style complements the architectural style of the house Application - FOR - Certificate of Appropilateiiess Historic PITSCI-Vatioll COIIIIIINSi011 of South Bend & St. Joseph County 12; S. Lafayette Bend, Indiana 40001 N lit i I ill,, Address: Col Ill ty-Citv R, I i I firl,, I, P.— 4 1-4; Phone:574-2?3-(47QS - Fav574-215-9578 - Ell 1,71i 1: SP)SK H PC "! C0.St-joSCP1 1. ill. LIS Website: http://%y%cw.stjusepha)untyiiidiana.Cum/sjchp/inLles.html OFFICE USE ONLY-- DO NOT COMPLETE ANY ENTRIES CONTAINED IN THIS 13OX >>>>>> OFFICE USE ONLY Date Received '?4t 'Zooc. Application Number o2 OO Past Reviews: YES 1.,-, 1"", wJ F-] NO Staff Approval authorized by Historic Commission Review Date: Fj Local Landmark 2Local Historic District (.vans) F-1 National Landmark E] National Register District (.vame) Title: Certificate of'Appropriateness: 0 Denied F-] Tabled E] Sent To Committee � Approved and Issued Address of'Property for proposed work: Address of Property Owner(s): J') Contractor(s) Name: Contract Company Name: Contractor Address: CRY:- Phone: Current Use ofBtfl1din---_-_-, Type of 131.1ildill" C0IIStI-1IVti0II: Proposed Work: 0 hi -kind E] Landscape New Replacement Demolition (mow thall 0!" 1,01UM11 b, !1' , "wd) Description of'Proposed Work: L r ri i7i IV( i i'vc 7 1j Owner/Contractor: Fax: e-mail ,I ild /or APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS ARE_ LISTED ON REITRSE SIDL Keller'sFirst Sunnynede Addition 1216 E. Wayne St. North, South Bend, In. BUYER: Mark J. & Elizabeth Loof Adey Surveyor Location Report STREET-. N�— EAST I ob's___-° -•— • K h , '4•'1 M \des. o 5� O .X+' oN oti o r(, p' t9 ro 99Je bs 6 4Arr-4 e N f N i 11 SOX �} r...9. . 0' THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE•� (,�' SHOWN ON THIS DRAWING ��;«G\STERE �0 IS NOT IN A FLOOD HAZARD AREA. 3.05'23 ! This report was prepared 4oWwithout a copy of the T/tle Insurance Policy 3TAT6 OF s and may be subject to other restrictions contained thereon. This drawing ,�' Ab�Actrr•'•� conforms with the Surveyor Location Report minimum requirements as cer- tified on page two of this report. Any encroachments are specificaV noted . above. This report is of limited accuracy and should not be used for con-, struction or for establishing boundary or fence lines. Registered Laird surveyor Creeksi.de Mortgage Surveys, Inc. 715 South Michigan Street • South Bend, Indiana 46601 Phone (�) 255-6556 Fax tt) 674-0374 k Scale Dated I Drawn by Drawing x,43 z PAGE 1 OF 2 II / O ��'ov. 5, .20D� .tv Pagel of lKeyword or item# CItalOg QU:Cih W -HOW SERVICES PROMOTIONS CUSTOMER SUPPORT -1 Fendog Pzcduc+,-3311c14 STAFF REPORT CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS Date: September 8, 2006 Application Number: 2006-0908-A Property Location: 710 Park Avenue Property Owner: Georges Enderle Landmark or District Designation: Rating: Outstanding Local Landmark, Chapin Park LHD/NR STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: This Eclectic Italianate was built for Mary Chapin Anderson and Andrew Anderson between 1875 and 1877. Four generations of the Anderson-DuShane family lived in this house until 1962. APPLICATION ITEMS: To install single unit all wood aluminum clad exterior with AuraLast double hung Jeld-Wen replacement windows from Home Depot. Standards and Guidelines for Chapin Park: II Existing Structures, C Windows and Doors, Required: Original windows and doors shall be retained including sashes, lintels, stills, shutters, decorative glass....When deteriotaed beyond repair they shall be replaced with units and trim resembling the original. Recommended: Wood storm windows .... to match the original should be used but should not damage existing frames. If new sashes ... are installed, the existing or original materials... should be used. Prohibited Original doors windows and hardware shall not be discarded when they can be restored and reused in place. RECOMMENDATION: Mr. Enderle has submitted two proposals for these windows. One for the replacement of the windows and the other is for the restoration of the windows. The house has all of the original windows. If Mr. Enderle is replacing the entire window system, then staff does not recommend approval. If Mr. Enderle's intention is to have storm windows made to order since the house currently does not have storm windows and the original windows repaired then staff recommends the restoration approach as it preserves more of the original fabric of this significant, landmarked home. Application - FOR - Certificate of Appropriateness Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County 125 S. Lafayette Blvd., South Bend, Indiana 46601 Mailing Address: County -City Building, South Bend, Indiana 46601 Phone: 574-235-9798 • Fax: 574-235-9578 • Email: SBSJCHPC@co.st joseph.irLus Website: http://www.sgosephcoungrindiana.com/schp/index.html OFFICE USE ONLY »»» DO NOT COMPLETE ANY ENTRIES CONTAINED IN THIS BOX »»» OFFICE USE ONLY Date Received Past Reviews: F-1 YES (Date of hst Reaiero) Staff Approval authorized by: Historic Commission Review Date: Application Number — — — — - Local Landmark F-1 Local Historic District (Name) National Landmark [:] National Register District (Name) ❑ NO Title: Certificate of Appropriateness: E] Denied 0 Tabled ❑ Sent To Committee F] Approved and Issued DATE j Address of Property for proposed work: r A K A v ENv E Street Number and Street Name Name of Property Owner(s): (Please Print) GEO(Z ES EN DZ94E Address of Property Owner(s): 7 to fcwk iAVi'ttAe_ Contractor(s) Name: R (C+f AK D GUML E Contract Company Name: P UMF_ SEeV (CE Contractor Address: 5176 21 NUID ow Amok City: Ddwck6tac&I Phone: 574— 220-4q 75 Current Use of Building: S� KArC �tn o�Zl v t '(Single Family�n—Multi-Family — Commercial — Government — Industrial — Vacant — etc.) Type of Building Construction: W000k -rrA. '-r_ (Wood Frame - Brick - Stone - Steel - Concrete - Other) Proposed Work: In-kind [:] Landscape E] New D< Replacement (not in-kind) [] Demolition (more than one lwx may be checked) 1 � Description of Proposed Work: S! Kg(e Khd . R�� Ivo od , a�Km t m mm, d owl eX1eYru+► , cjiX f" t,, tas4 (20 va,►rS ~rp ifee-) dot, We. kUK� (Aw-- E7 Fv;X Arn&!i/ C7U2o'--Wek4f �e �r�ol� ,�i-oto.. �}o �Qi 1 t S aeco�Q�+•v �h� �eRt� S74— Owner/0. k 74—Owner/0.„k kuk. Fax: 631- S513 e-mail Ka(erle tQ no(. eA c4 (This office will correspond with only one designee) and/or — APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS ARE LISTED ON REVERSE SIDE — University of Notre Dame Mendoza College of Business 393 Notre Dame, Indiana 46556-0399 m: Georges Enderle .Arthur and Mary O'Neil Professor of International Business Ethics Historic Preservation Commission St. Joseph County, Indiana 125 S. Lafayette Blvd. South Bend, IN 46601 Sir: Madam: Phone: 574-631-5595 Fax: 574-631-5255 E -Mail: genderle@nd.edu September 8, 2006 Having serious problems of insulation with the windows of my house at 710 Park Avenue, I intend to fix them over the next 2-3 years. I have now studied the complex issue for two months and discuss it with specialists, particularly Mr. Wayne Doolittle, Mr. Richard Guntle, and Mr. Bill Alwine (Home Depot). I wanted to investigate the advantages and disadvantages of the two options of restoration and replacement in order to find the best solution. The restoration approach includes: - removing window and glass; - repairing window and replacing glass; - repairing window frame; - placing repaired window; - placing storm windows. The replacement approach includes: - removing window (with glass); - installing replacement window. Please find enclosed information about both options. The cost estimate for restoring a window of 35" X 87" is: - Combo windows: full screen, removable glass inserts: - Delivery and installation: - Reparation and installation of window - Reparation of window frame Total $200.00 $120.00 $150.00 $130.00 $600.00 The cost estimate for replacing a window of #7" X 86" is: - Single unit replacement window (see appendix) $575.00 - Installation $125.00 Total $700.00 Although the replacement option seems to be more expensive by $100.00, I submit my request for the replacement option for reasons that I would like to explain at the meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission on September 18, 2006. This request concerns only 10 windows (out of 54), namely in the dinning room, master bedroom, and master bathroom. I would like to find out over the winter period how this solution actually works, before make a proposal for the remaining windows next summer. Thank you for your consideration. Sincerely, Georges Enderle 710 Park Avenue South Bend, IN 46616 Enclosures d� w 414.30 Custom Frame Width r !' Home Depot Store 2033 317 INDIAN RIDGE BLVD MISHAWAKA. IN 46545 (574)273-8601 ♦ yy�" :USTOMER: ENDERLE,GEORGE SALES ASSOCIATE: 710 PARK AVENUE P.O. #: SOUTH BEND, IN -46616 (574}2346582 Thank you for shopping The Home Depot! We value your business! ITEM LOCATION PRODUCT CODE FRAME SIZE DESCRIPTION uuuL Dining MH1NUt-AUIUKtK: JtLU-V11tN Windows & Doors, The Caradco Collection Product Dimensions: Rough Opening: 3' 1 3/4" x T 2 3/4" Frame: 3' 1" x 7'2" Sash Opening: 2' 11 5/8" x T 0" 317 ti x 8611 Scale: 1/8' equals 1' Book Code: TCD -Custom Size Exterior Finish: Aluminum Clad Exterior with AuraLast Wood Product: Double Hung Windows Product Line: Tradition Plus - Premium Series Sash Type: Standard Product Configuration: Single Unit Exterior Color. Brilliant White Exterior Trim: Integral Nailing Fin Interior Finish: Primed Jambliner Color: White Jamb Depth: 4 9/16" Glass Type:. Low -E with Argon Preserve - Protective Film Reduces Clean-up Glass Screen Type: Aluminum Mesh Screen(s) Screen Frame Color: Brilliant White Hardware Type: Cam Lock(s) Hardware Color: White Double Hung Hardware: Block & Tackle Balance, Tilt Latch Finger Plow. With Finger Plow(s) "" An 8 percent volume discount has been applied to this unit. '"' DATE: 09/07/2006 UNIT PRICE QTY TOTAL PRICE Base Price: TCD3788 $ 414.30 Custom Frame Width $ 64.58 . Custom Frame Height $ 64.58 Primed Interior $ 15.79 (1) Special Size: Custom Size Screen(s) $ 10.76 (1) Special Size: Aluminum Mesh Screen(s) $ 4.41 $ 574.42 2 $ 1,148.84 08/15/2006 10:47 FAX. 2178997437 JELIOrWEN, WINDOWS & DOORS The Ccradcoa Collection tM � JELD-WEN RANTOUL to 005/o Architectural Detail Manual Clad Operating nadius Section Details DOUBLE HUNG SEGMENT HEAD 5 13/16" -+- 1 1/4" 4 9/16" Q � If 1 m N c a� O m mz m 0 �f G m � 0 •� �z d 0 i tG N CO to VERIMAL SECTION I s •� z Q Z Ol C5 1 Cm M r f N i I 14-14 JELD-WEN reserves the rfchtto chance sw,'flcadcne v&fhcut notice. SCALE 6" = V 7/0 ITEM FRAME SIZE Copy oi0002__ LOCATION PRODUCT CODE DESCRIPTION --� Dining MAIQUFACTURIc'R: JtLU-WEN Windows & Doors, The Caradco Collection Product Dimensions: Rough Opening: 2'4 1/4" x T 2 3/4" Frame: 2'3 1/2" x 7'2" Sash Opening: 2'2 1/8" x TO" 2`1'/21 x 26" Scale: 118' equals 1' UNIT PRICE CITY TOTAL PRICE 2 j Book Code: TCD -Custom Size j Exterior Finish: Aluminum Clad Exterior with AuraLast i Wood Product: Double Hung Windows Product Line: Tradition Plus - Premium Series Sash Type: Standard Product Configuration: Single Unit Exterior Color: Brilliant White i I Exterior Trim: Integral Nailing Fin ' Interior Finish: Primed Jambliner Color: White ; I Jamb Depth: 4 9/16" I Glass Type: Low -E with Argon Preserve - Protective Film Reduces Clean-up Glass Screen Type: Aluminum Mesh Screen(s) Screen Frame Color: Brilliant White j Hardware Type: Cam Lock(s) Hardware Color: White Double Hung Hardware: Block & Tackle Balance, Tilt Latch 1 Finger Plow: With Finger Plow(s) An 8 percent volume discount has been applied to this unit. '•' Base Price: TCD2988 $ 360.28 Custom Frame Width $ 64.58 Custom Frame Height $ 64.58 Primed Interior $ 15,79 (1) Special Size: Custom Size Screen(s) $ 10.76 (1) Special Size: Aluminum Mesh Screen(s) $ 4.07 $ 520.06 $ 1,040.12 08/15/2006 10:47 FAX 2178937437 j Architectural Detail Manual Clad Operating Radius Section Details m JELD-WEN RANTOUL JELRNWEIN, tDow The Coradcom Collection DOUBLE HUNG SEGMENT HEAD Overall Unit Width i I 35/32, = Daylite Opening 3 5/32" _ Width 123/32" 123/32" — 1 1/4' 1 1/4" r a 11/16°---- -•- -�- 11/•16" —► 1 1/16' -- -- 1 116" -�- .----- 2 11/16" _ Class Width --�-- � — 211/16° —� HORIZONTAL SECTION SCALE 6" _- 7103 1 .WEN r tico_ September 18, 2006 Dear Members of the Historic Preservation Commission and Community, My name is Joan Downs-Krostenko and I represent the Chapin Park Neighborhood, where I am on the Board for the Chapin Park Neighborhood and am on the Historic Preservation Liaison Committee for the Chapin Park Historic District where I was one of the committee members which edited our Guidebook in 2005. I am also a board member at the Near Northwest Neighborhood which encompasses the Chapin Park Historic District. I attend tonight's meeting requesting that the Commission allow only the restoration of the original windows in the signature property at 710 Park Avenue. A great deal of scholarly ink has been spilled on the question of whether new windows are better at heat conservation than properly reconditioned windows. The preservationist community is in agreement. There is no question that the same and even better conservation can be obtained by reconditioning original windows. Therefore, as the Anderson House at 710 Park is a signature property in an amazing state of preservation and thus a treasure to the entire community, and As the standards to which such an exemplary property should be held are clear in this case regarding preservation of existing features of such incalculable value, and As, the compromising on this fact in anyway sets a terribly dangerous precedent in the Chapin Park Historic District and in the St. Joseph County I respectfully request that 710 Park Avenue be allowed only the restoration of its original windows. Those of us who own historic homes know that we are caretakers, our properties were interesting, beautiful and valuable before we inhabited them. It is our duty to, like Hippokrates, "due not harm'. These,buildings are not there only for our convenience and enjoyment. They are civic treasures. Sometimes, we chose what may, seem a time consuming or painstaking approach to their maintenance but this is because we understand our role and see ourselves clearly as only one iii what is, hopefully, a long line_ of lov4of our heritage. - e Sincerely, §bC'4-' 00 C.",-4 I 0�3 Joan Downs-Krostenko 849 Forest Ave. South Bend, IN 46616 853 Forest Per the Portage Twp Assessor's Notes • Charles Chipfall, bookkeeper, purchased the Lot in 1892. • Dumont & Minnie Lotz, he: school principal, owners from 1899- 1901. ■ Albert Harlin, occupation unknown, owner from 1901-1904. ■ William Happ, real estate developer, owner from 1904-1943. • Willard & Blanche Happ (son of William Happ) owners from 1943- 1961. • After 1961, Assessor's Notes are vague and according to the clerk at the office today "improperly recorded." I have attached a copy of their file card to illustrate. The names near the margin at the top, though dated, are not entered in the proper location so ownership information post -1961 is possibly inaccurate. Information will be verified against the current owners abstract when provided tomorrow (9/19/2006). STORIES ROOMS j NO. APTS. 1111 FOUNDATION ' CONCRETE CEM. BLOCK I BRICK X IJ STONE I t FT. UNIT REPROD. VAL. BUILT % COND. X21 BASEMENT SIZE X �O CEM. FLOOR x I FIN. ROOMS CLASSIFICATION CONSTRUCTION HIGH CLASS ` I I WD. SD. X / STUCCO I ASHPALT SOLID BRICK ( �1 SINGLE DWLG. [ FRAME f GOOD i ' 3� WALLS WD. SH. CONC. BLK. ASBESTOS FIELD STONE �( I DOUBLE DWLG. 1 BRICK ,,` AVERAGE I BR. VR. CIND. BLK. I CUT STONE 1 DUPLEX j STONE I LOW QUALITY1 4 I WD. SH. ASB. SH. I SLATE APAENT gTM I CONCRETE ROOFING ASPH. SH. I X / ROLL TILE % APT STOREB� I 5 EXTER. TRIM PLAIN n DORMER O - BAY 1 STY BAY 2 STY �4 -WITH �5 INTER. TRIM PINE J`�� HD. WD. I FIREPLACE Q 1 71 FLOORS PINE �•� HD. WD. I CONCRETE C j BI ATTIC UNFIN' NO. OF RO S FINISHED CLASS /1 ' I LIFE EXPECT. 191 HEATING HOT AIR STEAM RADIANT I S - �/ H I101 LIGHT ELECTRIC GAS !7L REMARKS: �11 NO. OF BATHS if LAVATORIES Cl TOILETS � SEWER /L PLUMBING �S'fO TILE FLOOR O TILE WALLS 6 WATER X GAS � OPEN SQ. FT. COVERED SQ. FT. )4=- 1 j3 • 12I PORCHES ENCLOSED SQ. FT. WOOD X I MASONRY 1131 BUILT-IN GAR. I SIZE NO. OF CARS TOTAL INDEX_F BLDG.1 SIZE /d X'7 BASE PR. UNIT PR, I SQ. FT- VAvb `f !1 X o � I'pXa" I I I X r- REPRODUCTION VALUE d'c v 2 - SKETCH OF BUILDING a,._..,, .. .� .- �rT ... DEPRECIATION I YEAR INFORMATION BY BUILT 9 REMODELED OWNER PHYSICAL DEP. FROM TABLE %GOOD % OFFICE 2. CONDITION i 3. OBSOLESCENCE (IF ANY) % II TENANT 14• TOTAL LINES 2 & 3 % TIMES LINE 1 % ESTIMATED 5. TOTAL REMAINING %GOOD, LINE 1 MINUS LINE 4 1 oS s f� %GOOD TIMES REPRODUCTION VALUE = DEPRECIATED VALUE 1 0202 / p 1 DEPRECIATED VALUE r? _ i .. .. .. ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS f I D C.�." I+ - - ��•' YEAR PERMIT N0. I DESCRIPTION �5�� / I �6 I OTHER BLDGS. GRADE WALLS FLOOR ROOF DIMENSIONS HGT. SQ. FT. OR CU. FT. UNIT REPROD. VAL. BUILT % COND. X i G Gro p �J X XI TOTAL ASSESSED VALUE (� C LOT NO. ADDITIONADDRESS 37 IChapin Place 1853 Forest 12-o1-18/16-618 NT0.1 .5 MY ."r4 K*R MOTH 4i Am T a a 4-41 :X�� AS SUVAj 'o RE WASHICRel' MUNCY Am comb; :PAIAEUNG IPIW!J'5�_Ml :'Wb4OlW', �.Of ?:�LAMD, TOTAC.,�,-_#, it vga yu! Ai 411 MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION OF SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY August 21, 2006 4th Floor Council Chambers County — City Building, South Bend, Indiana Members Present: Lynn Patrick LP[President], Mary Jane Chase MJC[Secretary], Catherine Hostetler CH, Martha Choitz MC, Linda Riley LR, Joann Sporleder JS,[Architectural Historian], Jerry Ujdak JU, Staff Present: Catherine Hostetler CH. [Director], Amy Herdman AH [Asst. Director], Others Present: Don Sporleder Absent: Shawn Peterson SP [Legal Counsel], Tim Klusczinski TK [Treasurer], Todd Zeiger TZ [Vice President] I. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL: Lynn Patrick called the meeting to order at 7:30pm H. PUBLIC HEARING A. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS None on the agenda. B. LANDMARKS 1. 1013 East Jefferson — Second Reading CH. We have the landmark agreement signed off on by.. JS: Signed on or signed off ? CH: She's signed off on the form; she signed on the dotted line, on the landmarks form- the owner Serena Howley. MC: May I make a motion that we pass this on to the Common Council for approval? CH. Yes, you may. JS: I'll second that motion. LP: All in favor? (Ayes are heard) Opposed? (Silence) Moved: MC Second: JS Vote: 7-0 Unanimous LP: Oh yes; I'm sorry, we were so eager to begin that we did not do our roll call. Roll call followed as recorded above. LP: I'd like to make a motion that the roll call be included in the beginning of the minutes of this meeting, even though we started.... JU. Second LP: All in favor? (Ayes are heard) Opposed? (Silence) Moved: LP Second: JU Vote: 7-0 Unanimous LR: Could I make a suggestion? On the second reading, could you mention the address? CH. • I did. 1013 EJefferson. LP: Did you mean mentioned on the minutes or in her verbal statement? LR: Both. JS: Once it's sent to Council, then they'll send it back...? CH. • Right. LP: Ok. CH. • We have a proposal for a new landmark that's come before us. And we were approached by the homeowners and they requested that we investigate whether or not their property was eligible and met the three criteria mentioned in the Ordinance for land marking. Staff reviewed what we have which are the survey cards and the assessor cards, which is all that the office has. LP: Is this on Forest Avenue? CH: Yes. CH: And I hope that you all had a chance to drive by it. I have some color photos here that show the house a little bit better. LP: When you present this, do you use color pictures or black and white? CH: Color. JS: This is already in a local district, why does it need special attention? CH.- The owners have requested that the Commission consider it to be a landmark. It meets the three criteria that we have for a property to be considered for landmark status. It's up to the Commission to decide whether it's worthy to be a landmark. JS: Are there other designated landmarks in this district? CH.- I believe there are some, yes. LP: As with anything, I'm sure that there are some that we would consider even more worthy, but given where this is, and that the owners are this interested in it, I have no problem land marking it. Especially given the wonderful district that it's in, their interest, and it does meet the criteria. And there are other places that meet the criteria, and the owners don't want them land marked... CH: I spoke to the chairman of the landmarks committee, which is Todd, to verify that he wanted this put on the agenda for this evening and he said to go ahead and put it on here. We can either send it back to the committee for further research, or move it on to the second reading. JU. • What's his recommendation? CH. He didn't give me one I didn't even know that he wasn't going to be here tonight. JU. Oh, ok. I don't have any problem with it. LP: I have no problem. I'd like a motion. JU: So moved. MJC.- Is this the first or the second reading? LP This was the first reading. CH: There's really no need for a motion. (Discussion ensues) MC. We still have next month to do anything about it. LP: Jerry, your motion is that we accept the first reading of 853 Forest and you move that it be moved forward to the next meeting for a second reading? All in favor? (Ayes heard) All opposed? (Silence) The motion carries. Moved: JU Second: LP Vote: 7-0 Unanimous MC.- I would like some clarification, do we have any history of the building at any time that it's been in ourfiles? CH: No, you have what we've got. MC. Ok, that answers that then. CH. And we checked to see if it was designed by a notable architect and we could find no notation of an architect. We can go back to the owners and ask them if they have anything in their abstract, of even if they have their abstract... JU.- They would have an abstract... CH.- We would hope. JU: Yeah, you're right, we would hope. How long have they owned the home? CH. I don't know. MJC. Do we have a list of all of the previous owners? CH. That's not really ... see, we've got some history, but when we went down to the Main Street Cornelius O'Brien Conference in Madison we discussed that genealogy alone is not enough to establish the historic nature of a house. It's got to have some architectural features to it. The fact that it's a stick style, and that it's a cross gable, and that it's been well maintained and according to our survey card it's also been unaltered. JS: (unintelligible due to shuffling paper) CH. I think that stayed in the Happ family for a number of decades. JS: When was this card done? CH: Either in '79 or '80. 2 JS: I think that what Mary Jane said would be interesting. To have some information about ownership, and I guess that I would like to know who, I mean, not that it makes any difference really, but someone has restored it very nicely. I think that might be an interesting part of its history as well. MJC.- It says that in 1903 Mr. Clipfall sold the house to Albert Harlin, and the following year sold the house to Mr. Happ and its been in his ownership since. CH. • And now the Prince's own it. -The Happ family owned it through the 1970's or '80's. The last notation on the survey card was from 1987. But we just did another survey. MJC: So then we would have up until the present owners. JS: But there may be a gap between the Happ s and the present owners. LP: Did they send you a letter or anything about the house? CH. Yes, well no, not about the house. LP: How about this. I'm sensing that the Commission would like a little more background, even though they seem to be generally in favor of it. Can you request of them that they put together something, whatever they've got, give them some'of the questions that we asked... JU.• The Portage Township Assessor would have the chain of ownership. MC. But they wouldn't have things like whether or not the windows had been replaced or things like that that would be if interest to us. JU: Oh, heavens no. LP: Maybe Amy could call or go over to the Portage Township Assessor and get the chain of ownership? AH Yes, sure. CH. We've got it on the tax rolls, but they don't show anything past conversion. They just say "conversion record". LR: Is there an advantage to the owner to have it become a landmark. CH. • Well, not really... they're already in a National Register District, and in a Local Historic District. LP: R just makes it a trifecta. (laughter) Just one more feather in their cap. It's nice when you market it, it's not just historic and in a historic district, it's a landmark LR: Some people don't want a landmark LP: Well, you're selectively screening out the people that don't. Alright, I'd like to move on from this. And there are no National Register nominations at this time. CH. • No. LP: On to the regular business, the approval of minutes. C. NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION None on the agenda. III. REGULAR BUSINESS A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES LP: If people have read them, including the amended version, and even if they haven't ... I d like a motion on approval of the minutes ofJulyl7, 2006. MJC: I'll make a motion that we approve the minutes of July 17, 2006. JS: Which version are you...? MJC. • The amended version JS: The amended version. LP: Yes, the amended version with our Counsel's comments. JS: Which he put in later, you might make that part of your motion. LP: I'd like a motion to approve the amended minutes of July 17, 2006, which includes Counsel's comments which he clarified after reading the first draft. JS: I'll second that motion. LP: All in favor? (Ayes are heard) All opposed? (Silence) The motion carries Moved: MJC Second: JS Vote: 7-0 Unanimous k] MC: Would you like the old ones kept for our records? CH. • If you'd like or you can just hand them to me and I'll throw them out. LP: Is that why it says July 17, and July 31? CH.- No, those are two separate minutes. AH.- July 31" was the Executive Session. LP: Oh, I didn't see that it said Executive Session.... JU.- Amy, is there part of this that was changed? AH. • No, he added probably added 7 or 8 comments starting with page three where previously, on the original version it read "unintelligible" because it really was. I thought it better to leave it that way and then ask him to clary rather than try to surmise what he had said. JU.- Oh, ok. AH. I did that as I was only able to hear about every tenth word. CH. If you'd like to give me the old copies... JU. • No, I'll keep it. LP: Next up for approval is the minutes from the July 31, 2006 Executive Session on the goldenrod paper. The single sheet. AH.- Catherine those were amended as well, correct? CH- Yes. AH.- What you got in your packets has also been amended and is on goldenrod colored paper. That was also by Shawn's directive. LP: Ok. I only have one copy. CH: You just need the gold copy. LP: That's the one I have. CH.- That's all you need, that one's correct. LP: I'd like a motion on the minutes. MC: I move that we accept the minutes of the July 31s' Executive Committee. LP Mary Jane Chase has seconded it. All in favor? (Ayes are heard) Any opposed? (Silence) No? The motion carries. Moved: MC Second: MJC Vote: 7-0 Unanimous TREASURER'S REPORT LP: The Treasurers Report we'll hold off until next time, unless he gave you something? CH. No, what you have is the standard location report that the County generates for the departments budget, plus our proposed budget for 2007 that reflects the required 2% cuts. LP: Ok. CH. And we go in for hearings on that later this month. JS: Did you get the 2% out of the total? CH. That is just the proposed budget with the 2% reduction. JS: My observation here is that some of the line items are the same, and yet some are different and what you've done is managed to make them total 2% not 2% in each line item. CH: Oh heavens no. JS: Am I correct? CH. Yes. JS: That would be pretty monumentally awful. CH. No, it's just out of the total budget. It doesn't require any action, just for information. LP: Next up is me. B. COMMITTEE REPORTS 1. President's Report LP: The President's Report, Advisory Board. Catherine and I, through no fault of her own, have not yet met about the Advisory Board. Ido have a printout of the names. I'm planning to meet E with Catherine and Amy at our earliest opportunity. It strikes me that we have a new person on our professional staff who is extremely motivated, full of new ideas, and I know she likes to start up new things, but I'd like to see if we could better utilize Amy to help us get this going because I think that its going to require some concerted effort. CH But nor have we had any input from any of the other Commissioners. Everyone was emailed the list. And I think that Jerry, did we mail that to you? JU. • You can't. CH: No, regular mail. JU: No. CH. • We'll get you a copy of it. It's a working list of ideas that everyone was adding on to. We emailed it to you, all the other Commissioners got it, it was on the same email, if Lynn got it, and Linda got, it got out. It was attached. MC: I may have disconnected already to go away. LP: We got it some time ago. CH: We sent it out by email. LR: I haven't seen that LP: I have another version, but I can get another one from the office. I'm going to give mine to Jerry, so he'll know what we're talking about. Pass this down to Jerry please. JU. • That should have been mailed to me. When was this given to me? CH. • We've been working on this since the retreat. JU: Since when? CH: The retreat. LP: Last fall. CH: It went out, Lynn got it. MJC: IfI did get it, it's probably something that I didn't open. CH: We sent it out in two different versions, in a .PDFfile and in a word file. LP: When you get back to the off ce tomorrow can you resend the most recent one? CH: Yeah, sure. We were hoping to get this thing going. To get this list, go through it, so people could make their recommendations, delist people that they didn't think would be interested, then we would narrow it down and then appoint some people to contact those that we wanted to have on an advisory board for the Commission. MJC: On some of these, I don't know why ... I don't know what they do. CH. • I know. MC. • It's hard to vote when you don't know... CH. • We didn't compile the list. People were throwing names at us and we were writing them down. JU. • When was this? LP: This started last fall, and there was some minor discussion, and Catherine typed it up. People threw in names periodically when we talked about it. CH: If we knew that they were architects, we tried to put that little designation by their name. JU: Have any of these people been contacted. LP: No, we haven't done anything. This is just in its nascence. It's good that we brought this up at this meeting because apparently a couple people were unaware... MC. Yeah, I haven't seen anything like this at all. I know that we're going to disconnect from our AOL very soon, and it may already be out of commission to get the high speed stuff. CH. Ok, what we will do is we will mail everything out. MC: Or I could pick it up. CH: No, we'll mail it out. This is getting ridiculous as we have sent this list out at least 3 other times. JU. • I've never seen it. CH: This is veryfrustrating. LP: I know lets move on from this. I'll have a more comprehensive report next meeting. CH: If you want to move on, we've have to move on it. E LP: That's why I need to come to the office and talk to Catherine and Amy. I've said before we need to go over this more. Catherine's done a great job with this, as I know that these names have come from a lot of different quarters. Some of these names were from our retreat, people threw out a couple of names then and then periodically we've revisited this theme, more names have been added, and its kind of morphed into what's in front of you now. I'll get with Catherine and Amy and try to have something more substantive, and I'll also try to get a little background on these people. MC. It's the entire thing, because of how you make contact with those people. LP: We haven't made any contact. What I'm thinking of doing, and I'll get with Catherine on this, is just get some numbers, and make a phone call. You know? "Would you be interested?" Just keep it very, .... CH. I think that happens after the Commission decides who they want to .... we could even have an A list and a B list and let it filter that way. JU: Why does the Commission have to decide what these people would do? What the parameters? What's the purpose? And then go out... we're getting the cart before the horse here. CH: Well the parameters were, and I think that this was while you were out ill Jerry, that we... JU We need to set it down on paper. CH: It was, it was in the minutes. Basically, it was to get a group of experts to help the Commission in areas where it doesn't have the expertise. Architects, designers, review people, that sort of thing. The second item was, according to my understanding, to have a group of people that would give the Commission guidance in the future as to where it should be looking for its direction. We've got nine people here, nine different backgrounds, but you know, that's it. It was also a means to broaden the net of the Commission to other area professionals who are historians, and architects, and knowledgeable of and appreciative of historic preservation to help the Commission in its goals of reaching out the communities. JU: Put that on paper. CH: It's on paper, Jerry. JU: Well then you need to get it to us. Get it to us again; I'm not going to go digging around in past minutes. CH. Ok. JU: Life is tough sometimes. There's a name that's obviously been left off of that list. LP: And that is? JU. • Our past President. LP: I think that he was on the list, but he said that he was not interested. JU: I don't know. CH. • Our indication was that Mr. Oxian does not want to have anything to do with this Commission as long as I am the Director. JU: He told you that? CH: He told Julie Schutte that. JU: Maybe you ought to check that out. MJC. And if anyone knows what skills these people have that would be helpful. LP: You've given us a lot to noodle on here. CH: If any of you know what these people do, please let us know. We were merely compiling this list of names. JS: If I could just stick one little thing here. Apparently none of sitting here submitted names, so who are the people that did? CH: Joann, you submitted a name to us, and that's on the list. LP: I know Riverbend Blacksmiths have been at our last two awards banquets. There are subtle differences in first and second generation drafts of the list. We'll come up with a thorough list ad we'll date it. We'll comeback to this at the next meeting, if not sooner. I don't believe that there are any committee meetings reports? Are there any CoA approvals, in house ones? CH. • We'll do our quarterly report on those. R 2. Correspondence Director Hostetler presented correspondence from The Holland Historic District Commission of Holland, MI. The note thanks HPC Staff for their assistance and proposes a visit to tour our districts, meet Commissioners, and observe a meeting. Our colleagues from Holland will be visiting South Bend on September 18, 2006. President Patrick reviewed previous plans to reschedule the September meeting, but has decided to leave the meeting as scheduled. Martha Choitz, Mary Jane Chase, Jerry Ujdak and HPC staff will assist with hosting and visit with our visitors from Holland. Catherine shared a letter from Ted Foti of Memorial Hospital inviting "hospital neighbors" to a meeting on August 26" 2006, 10am, at the NNN Office on Portage Avenue to discuss the parking situation facing Memorial and its surrounding neighborhoods. C. STAFF REPORTS 1. Director's Report — Catherine Hostetler Distributed to Commissioners. 2. Assistant Director's Report — Amy Herdman Amy distributed the Six at Risk Report for Commission review, including color photos of the properties on the list. Amy specifically thanked Commissioner Zeiger for his assistance and guidance in the preparation of the report and the accompanying press release. Commissioners were given 2 pieces of HPC note cards that were recently delivered to the office, bearing the new HPC logo. Commissioners were also given samples of "Historic Preservation Nuts" the new confection created with South Bend Chocolate as a fundraiser for the HPC. Commissioners approved an invitation for Ellen Harper of Main Street Indiana to South Bend for an informational presentation on bringing that program to South Bend. Moved: JU Second: JS - Vote: 7-0 Unanimous A discussion followed regarding the.progress of a project at the Firehouse on Hill Street. Greg Kil has been working on the addition -to the building and won the praise of the Commissioners that have seen the work thus far. 3. Legal Report — Shawn Peterson None given as Counsel was absent from the meeting. IV. OLD BUSINESS None discussed. V. NEW BUSINESS Martha expressed concern that the Portage Avenue corridor is being "lost", and encouraged the Commission to do something to save the area. She further clarified the area that she was referring to as both sides of Portage Avenue from Marquette St. North to Riverview Cemetery. President Patrick moved this issue into the Districts Committee (chaired by Martha Choitz) for further review and consideration. President Patrick asked to have a preliminary report prepared for the September meeting. VI. HEARING OF VISITORS Guest Don Sporleder was recognized to speak. Unfortunately due to paper shuffling, and other background disturbances, Mr. Sporleder's comments are unintelligible. ADJOURNMENT 8:40 pm 7 08/28/06 MON 16:08 FAX X001 i 2007 at, do=sph County 9nd0Dt COM MSION s i COUNTY GENERAL I HISTORIC PRESERVATION 005 4005 EXPENDED 2UD BGET 4007 sn4tK +/- •/_ 10000 Series i 1075 VEY TTY DIRECTOR 30,000 30,000 30,000. 0 $6,000 funded by City of $ouch Bend Crm L i 11309 HISTORsc MRSERVATI0N Am=- 35,357 36,050 36,050 0 10000 aeries TOTAL 65,357 66,050 65,050 0 0.00 20000 Series 21030 OFFICE SUPPLIES 2,275 1,750 1,750 -500 -28.57 22010 GAS OIL L LUBRICANTS 500 1,000 883 -117 "41.70 22120 CARAcs L MOTOR SUPPLIES 700 700 700 0 , 20000 eerie• TOTAL 3,475 3,450 2,833 -617 -17.88 30000 Series' 31070 OTHSR CON FACTUAL SERVICES 48,635 29,000 28,000 -1,000 -3.45 32020 TRAVEL 450 500 0 -500 -100.00 32050 INSTRUCTION & TRAINIM 400 1,000 1,000 0 32053 PUBLIC RELATIONS 7,820 3,070 2,570 -500 -16.29 32200 TELEPHONE 249 160 160 0 32350 POSTAGE 1,620 2,160 2,160 0 33010 PUBLICATION OF LEGAL NOTICES 162 500 500 0 33100 PRINTING 13.100 3,000 3,000 0 37100 AUTO LEASE 369 500 500 0 39010 DUES & SUasCRTPTIoN 555 750 750 0 . 39750 DATA PROCESSING 55 1,500 1,000 -500 -33.33 30000 series TOTAA 73,415 42,140 39,640 -2-1500 -5.93 40000 Series 44250 OFFICE HACKINES 474 800 0 -800 -100.00_ . 45510 FURNITURE & Plk" RBS 3,042 0 0 a 40000 Series roTAL 3,516 800 0 -500 -100.00 DEPARTICTT TOTAL 145,763 112,440 108,523 -3.917 -3.48 DEPT. 37 COUNTY GENERAL HISTORIC P RESERVATION 59 8/28/2006 Location Budget as of 08-31-2006 hint Joseph County Note: Includes transactions after the last posted date of 12-31-2005. Fund 001 County General for 01-01-2006 thru 08-31-2006 Loc 037 Historic Preservation Account j Unencumbered Unexpended Object Description Appropriation Encumbrance Expenditure Balance/Percent Balance/Percent 11075 Deputy Director 30,000.00 0.00 20,538.12 9,461.88 9,461.88 000 General GovT. 31.54 31.54 11309 Historic Preservation Admin. 36,050.00 0.00 23,571.18 12,478.82 12,478.82 000 General GovT. 34.62 34.62 10000 Totals """"""""""""""""""""""" 66,050.00 0.00 44,109.30 21,940.70 21,940.70 33.22 33.22 21030 Office Supplies 1,750.00 609.56 584.00 556.44 1,166.00 000 General GodT. 31.80 66.63 22010 Gas Oil & Lubricants 1,000.00 0.00 301.20 698.80 698.80 000 General GovT. 69.88 69.88 22120 Garage & Motor Supplies 700.00 0.00 166.94 533.06 533.06 000 General GovT. 76.15 76.15 20000 Totalstt...f.........tttt.fffffff...t...ffftt...f... 3,450.00 609.56 1,052.14 1,788.30 2,397.86 51.83 69.50 31070 Other Contractual Services 51,502.60 1,694.00 34,400.32 15,408.28 17,102.28 000 General GovT. 29.92 33.21 32020 Travel 500.00 0.00 385.43 114.57 114.57 000 General GovT. 22.91 22.91 32050 Instruction & Training 1,000.00 0.00 250.00 750.00 750.00 000 General GovT. 75.00 75.00 32053 Public Relations 3,070.00 0.00 1,057.24 2,012.76 2,012.76 000 General GovT. 65.56 65.56 32200 Telephone 160.00 0.00 0.00 160.00 160.00 000 General GovT. 100.00 100.00 32350 Postage 2,160.00 0.00 1,841.34 318.66 318.66 000 General GOVT. 14.75 14.75 33010 Publication Of Legal Notices 500.00 0.00 105.60 394.40 394.40 000 General GovT. 78.88 78.88 User ID ksobecki 09/06/200612:15 PM Page 81 Location Budget as of 08-31-2006 Note: Includes transactions after the last posted date of 12.31-2005. Fund 001 County General for 01-01-2006 thru 08-31-2006 Loc 037 Historic Preservation Account Object Description 33100 Printing 000 General GovT. 37100 Auto Lease 000 General GovT. 39010 Dues & Subscription 000 General Gov'T. 39600 Refunds, Awards & Indemnities 000 General GovT. 39750 Data Processing 000 General GovT. 39980 Funds W/O Approp. 000 General GovT. 30000 Totals .............................................. 44250 Office Machines 000 General GovT. 40000 Totals .............................................. Location Totals ................................................. Investment Accounts Transfer Accounts Appropriation 8,528.00 500.00 750.00 0.00 1,500.00 0.00 70,170.60 800.00 800.00 140,470.60 Encumbrance 5,528.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 7,222.00 0.00 0.00 7,831.56 Expenditure 788.78 85.77 140.00 8,514.00 8.29 44,100.00 91,676.77 465.00 465.00 137,303.21 0.00 0.00 137,303.21 Unencumbered Balance/Percent 2,211.22 25.93 414.23 82.85 610.00 81.33 (8,514.00) 0.00 1,491.71 99.45 (44,100.00) 0.00 (28,728.17) (40.94) 335.00 41.88 335.00 41.88 (4,664.17) (3.32) Unexpended Balance/Percent 7,739.22 90.75 414.23 82.85 610.00 81.33 (8,514.00) 0.00 1,491.71 99.45 (44,100.00) 0.00 (21,506.17) (30.65) 335.00 41.88 335.00 41.88 3,167.39 2.25 Saint Joseph County User ID ksobecki 09/06/2006 12:15 PM Page 82 POTENTIAL ADVISORY BOARD/COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION --DRAFT PAUL HAYDEN ( ANTIQUES, RESTORATIONS, PRESERVATION SPECIALIST) RELICS, 1 148 WESTERN AVE, 46601,574-289 8861 HAYPAULJ9CS.COM CONNIE AND TOM TOOLEY (GRAPHIC DESIGN, HOME RESTORATIONS) DESIGN ASSOCIATES, 514 W. LASALLE AVE, 46601, 574 246 0472 JIM MARKLE-BUILDING DEPARTMENT/DESIGN REVIEW BOARD 125 S. LAFAYETTE, 46601, 574 235 9554, JMARKLE@SOUTHBENDIN.GOV DAVID HATCH -HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, EXEC. DIRECTOR, 402 E.SOUTH STREET, 46601, 574 288 6967 DBHHFHSTJOE@COMCAST.NET WILLIAM SNIADECKI, SBCSC TRUSTEE, ACTIVIST, PRESERVATION ADVOCATE, 58976 CRUMSTOWN HWY, 466199 574 287 04399 WSNIADECKI@SBCGLOBAL.NET JED EIDE, RA WILLIAM R. LAMIE, RA BILL@ADGOFFICE.COM JOHN MELLOR, RA ALEX REGNERY, RA ALL AT ARCHITECTURE DESIGN GROUP, ADG, INC, 922 E. WAYNE STREET, 46617, 574 288 6626 DONALD SPORLEDER, RA, 205 W. GRIPE, 466379 272 61729 SPORLEDER. 1 @ND.EDU JOHN STAMPER, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, NDU SCHOOL OF ARCHITECTURE, 1 10 BOND HALL, ND, 46556-56529 574 63146669 JOHN.W.STAMPER.1 @ND.EDU FATHER BULENE, CSC ASSISTANT DEAN, ARCHITECTURE, 317 BOND HALL, NOTRE DAME, 466556, 574 631 88289 RICHARD.S. BULLENE.3@ND.EDU A BRENDON CRUMLISH, RA, STUDIO B ARCHITECTS, 3215 SUGAR MAPLE COURT, 46628, 233 4550 BRUCE HUNTINGTON-ATTORNEY, PRESERVATIONIST, 105 E. JEFFERSON, 46601,574-234 3900 TOM FORSEY-FORESY CONSTRUCTION, INC, 2018 IRONWOOD CIRCLE, 46660-6188, 574 272 9420, TOM@4CCONSTRUCTION.COM BILL COLEMAN, RA, SAME AS ABOVE, BCOLEMAN@4CCONSTRUCTION.COM JAN MACHILKSI-RIVER PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOC., PRESERVATION ACTIVIST, 1117 SOUTH 31 ST STREET, 46615, H. 282 17879 W. 269 683 0421 9 JNETM@AOL.COM KOLIN HODGSON-CHAPIN PARK BOARD, PRESERVATIONIST, 807 ASHLAND, 46616, 574 2371053, KOLINH@GMAIL.COM RON DEWINTER-TOWNSHIP BOARD, ACTIVIST, 1013 LWW, MISHAWAKA, 46544, 255 6741, E.DEWINTER@INETMAIL.ATT.NET JOHN KOUROUBETES, PRESERVATIONIST, 1246 DENNIS, 46614, 291 0810 ROB DAGGER -CONSTRUCTION, OLD FORT CONSTRUCTION, 1401 S. MAIN, 466139 574 289 5566, RJAGGER@OLDFORT.COM MARK MCDONNELL-LASALLE GRILLE, PRESERVATIONIST, COMMUNITY BOOSTER, 115 W. LASALLE 466019 288 1 155 MARK@ LASALLEGRI LL. COM BEV PETERSEN-GENEALOGY, 3213 MISHAWAKA AVE, 46615, - 574 234 7724, BEV@FUNSTUFFFORGENEALOGISTS.COM MICHAEL EBY-LOCAL HISTORY, PRESERVATIONIST, MEBY@COST-JOSEPH.IN.US GREG KIL, RA, KIL ARCHITECTURE AND PLANNING, 1126 LWE, 466019 288 2654 THOMAS SCHLARETH, NDU AMERICAN STUDIES -ON LEAVE UNTIL SPRING 2007-271 DECIO FACULTY HALL, 631-6129, SCHLERETH.2@ND.EDU JULIA DESLAURIES, COMMUNITY ACTIVIST, PRESERVATIONIST RIVER BEND LHD, 287 2681 BRAD DENNIS, ZIOLKOWSKI CONSTRUCTION, 1005 S. LAFAYETTE, 46601, 574 287 1811 , BDENNIS@ZIOLKOWSKICONST.COM BOB GRANT, BOB GRANT CONSTRUCTION, 574 291 7195 DAVID MAYERNICK-ARCHITECTIHISTORICAL BUILDINGS, MURALS, 59251 SKYVIEW DR., 46614, 574 287 6650 DAVID SASSANO-ARCHITECT, ADAPTIVE REUSE, 1328 E. WAYNE , 46615, 574 287 7454 RHETT JONES, THE PAINT GUY, QUALITY INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR PAINT JOBS, 1040 WARANA DRIVE, PLYMOUTH, 46563, 574 936 2342, CELL: 780 8156 AARON EFFLER-SUMMERS, RA, ARCHITECT, 613 PARK, 466169 574 289 4373, ASUMMERSEFFLER@HOTMAIL.COM BLACKSMITH-RIVERBEND BLACKSMITH CONYERS ENTERPRISES, BLACKSMITHING, METAL FABRICATION, 53362 JUNIPER, 46637, 574 277 8729, WJCONYERSSR@AOL.COM . .. 4 DONALD P. LATOWSKI, DIRTY DUCK FORGE, BLACKSMITH, 929 ROBERTS ST., 46615-3904, 574 287 24229 BAWDPL@CORE.COM STEVE SEMES, RA NOTRE DAME SCHOOL OF ARCHITECTURE, SEMES.1 @ND.EDU. KRUPALI UPLEKAR, SCHOOL OF ARCHITECTURE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, 313 BOND HALL, 46556, 574 631 2314, KUPLEKAR@ND.EDU GARY VAN OVERBERGHE, VAN OVERBERGHE BUILDERS, CARPENTRY, RESTORATION WORK, 53922 OLIVE ROAD, 466289 574 289 03419 GARY@VANOVERBERGHEBUILDERS.COM PATRICK LYNCH, ARCHITECT, SOUTH BEND HERITAGE FOUNDATION, 803 LWW, 466169 574 289 1066, Exr 206, PATLYNCH@SBHERITAGE.ORG JOANN SPORLEDER SUGGESTED VICKY JENNINGS FROM FIRST PRESBYTERIAN Martha J. Choitz 19110 Summers Drive South Bend, IN 46637 574/272-7189 September 18, 2006 Subject: Report on suggestion that a local district on Portage Ave. might be possible and desirable at this time. (Boundaries might be the same as the ones for the Kessler National Register District.) From: HPC Local Districts Committee At the HPC Commission hearing in August 2006, 1 suggested that the commission might want to look into the possibility that we might start inquiries to find if there was a viable neighborhood interest in such an undertaking - that it might help the owners in their desire to continue to keep their homes from commercial intrusions in the future, and from improper changes to the buildings as they now exist. However, since that time I have learned of a number of valid reasons why this is not the time to begin such a task. There is no reason to think the neighbors are interested to the degree necessary for Such work to begin, and the HPC Staff is not in a position to devote the time and funds that would be necessary to begin such a major project at this time. . Therefore, I request that this idea be brought before the HPC at a time at which it might be more likely to succeed. DIRECTOR'S REPORT SEPTEMBER 2006 August 22 County Council Committee Meeting for out of line transfers August 23 Meeting with Betsy Harriman and Robert Monroe concerning projects for the Parks in 2006 developed by Amy Herdman, Assistant Director August 26 Meeting with Memorial Hospital concerning parking issues in the NNN and historic districts. August 28 Meeting with Michael Eby, Auditor concerning accessing the Southhold funds for the Commission's Projects. Attended School Board meeting on the 2007 Budget at 5:30pm. August 29 Attended public hearing on the County Budget at 5:30pm August 30 Met with homeowner, Gaie Lynn Shrek, in Edgewater concerning door replacements at 7:30am. September 1 Met with Margaret R. Ridenour, MPA, and Administrative Coordinator with Indiana Economic Development Corporation. Met with Shannon Schmidt and Laura J. Guy of DTSB concerning their program for the City. September 5 Attended the kickoff for the Riverside Trail. Participated in a meeting with Ellen Harper, Director of Indiana Main Street in the Council Chambers. September 11 Met with County Treasurer's Department concerning the tax sale and tagging historic properties on the list. Attended Committee meeting concerning Park's Budget and the Southhold funds at 3:30 and 7pm City Council meeting concerning the Southhold funds. September 12 Participated in the CFH Finance Committee meeting and met Randy Ray, new Director. Attended farewell reception for Mary McLain and the County Council's meeting for the final vote on the 2007 budget. September 14 Met with President Patrick and presented report on the nominees for the Advisory Committee. Attended the River Park Neighborhood Association meeting concerning saving the Conservatories and Greenhouses. September 17 Save the Greenhouses and Conservatory rally at the Park from 1:30-4:00. September 18 Spoke for preserving the Conservatory and Greenhouse complex at die Park Board meeting at 4pm. Assistant Director's Report HPC Meeting — 09.18.2006 ■ Prepared HPC Meeting minutes of 08.21.2006 ■ Attended County Council Budget Hearing. ■ Accepted to South Bend Government Academy. ■ Took receipt of first order of Historic Preservation Nuts. ■ Visited Center for History archives to review photos for calendar project. ■ Assisted on survey work to complete City Survey. ■ Issued Emergency Addendum to Six at Risk. ■ Prepared new Six at Risk press release. ■ Reviewed newly published County Survey. ■ Visited greenhouses and conservatories. ■ Pitched "A Leeper Year" proposal to Betsy Harriman of Parks Dept. ■ Mailed out Fall newsletter. ■ Prepared Contractor List for distribution requests. ■ Attended lunch meeting with Laura Guy of DTSB. ■ Hosted Ellen Harper of Main St. Indiana for informational meeting. ■ Attended budget hearing regarding Parks Dept. budget. ■ Addressed Common Council. ■ Attended auction at the State Theater. ■ Attended ArtBeat. ■ Prepared Power Point presentation regarding Conservatories. ■ Planned special event for greenhouses and conservatories for 9/17/2006. ■ Prepared press release for event on 9/17/2006. ■ Addressed Common Council, Committee of the Whole. 0 Attended Neighbor Relations meeting at DTSB offices. ■ Attended Downtown Merchants Meeting. ■ Attended Bam Again program at Centre Township Library. ■ Finalized arrangements for first Workshop Wednesday. ■ Addressed River Park Neighborhood Association. ■ Met new colleague Paul Hayden. ■ Attended event at Greenhouses and Conservatories. ■ Appeared in 2 TV interviews,1 newspaper interview. •�i CF c0 c 0, 0a'8,y W z w ;0.` �; r•-�> a�: tiara �'• .;•C ' c $ .c c c p, `. a3 , L.d0 'oNe3�. �: ;� ti,''.:tl ■ L'�:�+ p ",;` iia-�q1�'N z-a�occ, vi t 0011107 �'' O14) C6 .. � ; is ; 0 mom' � :Cn , RH I CO U C13 al cc 070 '�'; j )! f i- �:: O C/i•..' y 9 j a is y t «T: i ;.$ r ', ^S �' 0: 's y +w?Y? : c3 A M t p 0. 0 O Y d! 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Member. quent the facility..,.` ' will -cost,*; and help them, get an the greenhouses �vitli natural gas Derek Dieter,:D=1st;.also stopped "There is a' lot"of, wonderful.:', idea of what.kind of fundraising creased dramatically in the last by ,the • event, . Her said tcouncil 'things in' here r. Kerns ' said:: "It's they need to do; Herdman said. ' ve years. members plan `to'*iM6w green• 'just a beautiful; beautiful' place." . She's not sure..what step would. + Closing;.the' greenhouses: and ' ,' house anti conservatory expenses In ;addition to circulating petit : "come after the assessment a Morris and Muessel-Ellison' since 2002: ' tions, people opposing the closing ' . The • proposal ' has . Heidtvan �onservatories would'save the' city' "I don't want it -to goat aid;" Di-' •.'are on the'agenda to speak at toi concerned about wore. than, just bout$100,000; Mayor Stephen ' eter said.' day's South Bend parks commis -l" the fate°of the -greenhouses an j uecke,said. 'Members'• of Friends', of the'•-- sion meeting; Historic Preseiva: `` conserv*iies;*hich'were -do The facility is compihsed of eight :' Greenhouse and' -the : Historic' .1 tiori,Commission Assistant Ilirec- Hated inthe'1960s: growing houses;: which. provide, Preservation-'- Commission ''of ''tor'Amy I�erdmansaid. "We're worried about the fu- ` flowers for. the city's parks, the zoo, South bend -and, St.'Joseph Coun :The historic preservation group .tore of philanthropy in the city,"'- golf courses and fire stations; and '' . ty ran out of. foiins,'as dozens of ::'is , also _ bringing• 'an; expert 'in "shesaid. ;' two conservatories, according to participants -.,in ; an'unrelated restoration of Lord and Burnham .: Staff ivrite0imie Loo contributed to the city's parks.Web site.., ;: fundraising walk near the green- greenhouses to South Bend to as- this report: Stacy: Eads was one O'Uhun- louses:.took•a:breakto! sign. the ;sess the condition. of the build-...; dreds of people who stopped by,,. , petition. ' ' ; : r `'ings; Herdman' said. -The- exper- the greenhouses to sign the peti:.tib 'klarold:Kerm- w"otfi es three • will tour.thefacility Sept,2,5,.then. 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J Lli�:�fi+iF.�n.SyfM1i�.Pt'"_'ir :Yi' i °''�' is i• S }:',, .rt'`!.. ,:• " -"i don't think that's a . ""Y �' "I'm skeptical' about it"' good idea. South think it's important to Bendineeds'as much:F. t' f have services and like that as it can.. We're:: � � ,% facilities li rr available t o people. ,. already a small Town. s'• ' We ned.morvlpr,� would look someplace '[ f..,'. things like that.... else to. cut the money." Just some things to Y` Kent Hull, South Bend � � ". keep everyone busy." !. r Dante Pates,:.,• South Bend .. . •,; . "I wasn't aware of it. l think that's a terrible idea. It would be much better if they were working to expand it rather than to close it, especially with the billboards and plans you see South Bend, a 21st Century City. I think that's IN kw d "I think that it's wrong:;):thinkthey have historical, value to our. city. Also.. they're good for children to,leam about the; world around them. ; < Micaela Larkin,.South Bend ,.f ,:. , -.: cru .," .i moving ac ar s "' "It's the first I've heard of it,'but it seems sad. I don't know: instead of moving, .. what the city's budget is. I imagige like most city y forwards.° governments, they're having trouble meeting their budget. It `L nn Kin $.: ,4 ?' y g, South s..,� deems like a really sad way to have to do it ... I just moved Bend: "I don't know: I don't mind;. here and am.so impressed by the green. That would make me really, if they do it."-. sad to. know 'a little bit of that was being less supported." ; Luis Suarez; Walkerton Melissa Stuckey, South Bend t " ' �,: '�I J, .1 `1{•Y,r'°,{'': irf r; r. .�. :.mss! ,.. By:1H» Ine staff Writer -Marti Goodlad Heline*and Tdbune photographer Joe Kline A Resolution of the Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend and St. Joseph County, Indiana in response to the recent South Bend Park Department budget proposal that has threatened the "Potawatomi Greenhouses and the Ella -Morris and Muessel-Ellison Botanical Conservatories, their botanical examples, collections, and their benefit to the City of South Bend. Whereas the Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend and St. Joseph County, Indiana convened on September 18, 2006 for its regular Meeting in the 4`s Floor Council Chambers; County -City Building Now therefore, be it resolved, that the Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend and St. Joseph County, Indiana as follows: Section 1. That the City of South Bend and the Department of Parks and Recreation reconsider the dismantling of the Greenhouses and the Lord and Burnham Conservatories located in Potawatomi Park; Section 2. That the City of South Bend and the Department of Parks and Recreation convene a round table of specialists in the fields of heating and horticulture to determine any reasonable and economic methods available to save these structures and their exhibits; Section 3. That the City of South Bend and the Department of Parks and Recreation organize groups of volunteers to serve in the various capacities needed to keep the Conservatories in operation and open to the public; Section 4. That the City of South Bend and the Department of Parks and Recreation explore other avenues of fund raising, and that the admission fee of the complex be evaluated; Section 5. That the City of South Bend and the Department of Parks and Recreation study the detrimental impact to tourism, market appeal, and education; Section 6. This Resolution shal be in full force and effect from and after its adoption by the Commission. L A. atrick, President Catherine Hostetler Martha Choitz o Sporled , Architectural Historian Linda Riley Timothy S Klusc nsk', easurer MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION OF SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY September 18, 2006 4th Floor Council Chambers County — City Building, South Bend, Indiana Members Present: Lynn Patrick LP[President], Mary Jane Chase MJC[Secretary], Catherine Hostetler CH, Martha Choitz MC, Joann Sporleder JS,[Architectural Historian], Jerry Ujdak JU, Tim Klusczinski TK, Shawn Peterson SP [Legal Counsel] Staff Present: Catherine Hostetler CH [Director], Amy Herdman AH [Asst. Director], Others Present: Don Sporleder, Elizabeth Adey EA, Joan Downs-Krostenko JK, Jeff Nienhuis, Karen Padnos, Jim McKnight, Bruce Klawiter, Mike Buitenborp, George Enderle GE Absent: Todd Zeiger TZ [Vice President] Linda Riley LR I. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL: Lynn Patrick called the meeting to order at 7:34pm H. PUBLIC HEARING A. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS 1. 1216 E Wayne North, CofA # 2006-0908 STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT; This Colonial Revival home was designed by H.R. Stapp and built by Whitcomb and Keller in 1925 and sold to Alta and Cornelius Morris. Kurt and Tessye Simon purchased the home in 1948 and resided there until 1990. Mr. Simon was the president of Simon Brothers, now Clark Foods. The current owners are Elizabeth and Mark Adey. APPLICATION ITEMS: To install a privacy fence along their rear property line. Guidelines: I The Environment, B. Building Site, Landscaping and Accessories Reouired: ... Structures such as gazebos ... new walls... trellises and other similar structures shall be compatible to the historic character of the site and the neighborhood and inconspicuous when viewed from a public walkway. Recommended: New site work should be appropriate to the existing surrounding site elements in scale, type and appearance.... RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends approval. The fence will provide for a more formal and finished appearance to the backyard's landscaping than its current exposure to the neighbors' garages and unkempt backyards. The style complements the architectural style of the house Catherine Hostetler circulated photographs provided by the homeowner. The Chair recognized the homeowner, Elizabeth Adey to speak, and asked the homeowner to limit her remarks to five minutes or fewer. LP: Do you have any additional comments? EA: No, all that I want is a privacy fence, as our neighbors tend to throw their yard waste behind their garages, which is my backyard. Rather than cause a neighborhood disturbance, as my husband wanted to drag it back into their yard, but 1 would not let him. I'd like to clean it up. TK: Could the homeowner please state her name and address for the record? EA: Elizabeth Adey, 1216 E Wayne Street North. LP: Thank you. The chair will now recognize commissioners with questions. MJC: Are there any other fences in the neighborhood. EA: My neighbor to the east has a chain linkfence, but that's the onlyfence. We don't like the look of thatfence so we've planted a certain variety of arbor vitae. LP: Any other questions? JS: Is this picture... EA: I can't see which one you have. JS: I know you can't, but it's all covered with green vines. EA: I don't know which one you have, but there is a garage that's all covered in vines. In the summer time everyone asks me what it is because you can't tell what it is underneath there, but in the wintertime you can see that it's a brick garage. Some of the pictures are from behind our garage, where the neighbors throw all the trash. The other just has a lot of weeds, and bricks and other things all thrown back there. JS: So, as in this picture, your fence will fix it so that you don't look at all this? EA: Right, it will just do that, and then we'll landscape in front of it JS: on your side. • EA: Just for ourselves, right. JS: Is there an alley back there? EA: No. JS: Where is the neighbors debris going? EA: One neighbor has bushes, and it's going behind the bushes which is the back of my garage, and stacked up the back of my garage, and the other, well, it's in their yard, but it's the back of their garage which is open to my yard. JS: So the fence actually is a boundary line fence? EA: Yes, it will cross the boundary, and then we'll landscape in front of it. Right along the property line. LP: Any other commissioner questions? JU: How tall is it going to be? EA: Six feet, the standard height. Six is what they told me. Standard size. LP: The chair will now open this to public hearing. If there is any member of the public who wishes to speak on the matter? Seeing none, I move on. LP: Is there any additional... ? Checking with legal counsel, no input there. I'd like now to entertain a motion on whether or not to approve the C of A. JS: I move to approve the Certificate of Appropriateness #.2006-0408, 1216 E Wayne Street North as presented. JU: Second LP: All in favor? (Ayes heard) Opposed? (Silence) With no opposition the motion carries. Moved: JS Second: JU Vote: 7-0 Unanimous EA: Thank you very much. LP: Thank you. Next up will be the Certificate of Appropriateness for 710 Park Avenue. 2. 710 Park Avenue, CofA #2006-0908-A STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: This Eclectic Italianate was built for Mary Chapin Anderson and Andrew Anderson between 1875 and 1877. Four generations of the Anderson-DuShane family lived in this house until 1962. APPLICATION ITEMS: To install single unit all wood aluminum clad exterior with AuraLast double hung JELD-WEN replacement windows from Dome Depot. Standards and Guidelines for Chanin Park: II Existing Structures, C Windows and Doors, Required: Original windows and doors shall be retained including sashes, lintels, stills, shutters, decorative glass....When deteriorated beyond repair they shall be replaced with units and trim resembling the original. Recommended: Wood storm windows .... to match the original should be used but should not damage existing frames. If new sashes ... are installed, the existing or original materials... should be used. Prohibited Original doors, windows and hardware shall not be discarded when they can be restored and reused in place. RECOMMENDATION: Mr. Enderle has submitted two proposals for these windows. One for the replacement of the windows and the other is for the restoration of the windows. The house has all of the original windows. If Mr. Enderle is replacing the entire window system, then staff does not recommend approval. If Mr. Enderle's intention is to have storm windows. made to order since the house currently does not have storm windows and the original windows repaired 2 then staff recommends the restoration approach as it preserves more of the original fabric of this significant, land marked home. Catherine Hostetler circulated photos and plans previously unavailable due to technical difficulties with the HPC copier. The Chair recognized the homeowner, George Enderle to speak, and asked the homeowner to limit his remarks to five minutes or fewer. SP: Maybe we should clar jy with the homeowner... what exactly are they asking, are they asking for approval for two proposals, one as an alternative ,all for one, or all for the other? It's very difficult to understand what question is being presented to the Commission. From Mark 746-749 on tape, all conversation is inaudible. Cause unknown. LP: The chair recognized the homeowner/presenter to approach the podium for his presentation not to exceed the five minute rule, please. GE: Good evening, my name is George Enderle, and I am the proud owner of the Anderson House. I've spent about two months studying what we can do to fix the problem of our windows and was very glad to have the help of Wayne Doolittle, a specialist from Home Depot, from my carpenter and also from an architect from Notre Dame who works especially with windows. I think that there are three goals which I would like to achieve. First, to maintain the appearance of the house as it is today, but to keep it as it is. Second, to improve the quality of the windows, and third to increase the quality of living inside the house. I checked the first option of restoration and that means to remove the windows and the glass. Some are broken to repair the window and replace the glass and to repair the window frame, and replace the frame and window with storm windows. That's quite along process and I also got some valuable information about storm windows. If storm windows are made of pine wood, they won't last. If they are made of metal then they do not insulate enough. It is necessary to open storm windows from the inside when we use the second floor. The wood frame of a storm window is relatively broad for those windows which can be taken out from inside. I asked my carpenter who has just replaced the storm windows of the Innisfree Bed and Breakfast here on Colfax, and he says that they are ten years old, but are junk and had to be replaced. So, my proposal with regard to replacement means to remove the window with glass, and to install the replacement windows. The estimates that I gave in my letter are not quite correct because in the meantime I found out that the restoration per window will cost about $750.00. And the replacement per window will be also be $750.00 or maybe $700.00. I think that with replacement windows, I can achieve all three of my goals which I stated. There is no change of appearance, and the house never had storm windows. I have a photo of the house forty or fifty years ago, and there are no storm windows on the house. So, it would be a change to put storm windows in. My solution would be to improve the quality of the windows by using the aluminum clad which would last for twenty years guaranteed, with (unknown) filled with argon. It also improves the quality of living inside except that the light that I have inside will (unknown) and it will be easier to open the windows in summer and in winter time. That's why having studied both options seriously, I would like to ask you to permit me to put replacement windows in. LP: The chair recognizes commissioners with questions. MC: Question unintelligible. GE: No, that is a picture from Wayne Doolittle from a company in Iowa. MC: What we don't seem to have here, in my estimation, is an understanding of...the square feet of glass and trim should be identical to what you have in there now. If they've wider woodworking on the outside, that will change the whole aspect of the windows. And we've seen nothing like that as far as I know. Did we? That would tell us that whatever it is that you want to order that it will look exactly like it does now... in every window. There are many companies that do exactly that, that copy them exactly. They'll still have all of those features that you're talking about wanting, to open the windows and everything else. But what you do have to make sure, and there area lot of them that are very verygood at this. But, I don 't see how I can vote on this 3 because there's nothing here that tells me that these will look exactly like the current do when you get them in. GE: From outside, the frame will remain exactly the same: From inside, we put in the replacement windows, and the color is exactly the same as it is outside. You will not see any change from outside. MC: Are you saying that you're going to leave all of these windows in, and put another window inside it? GE: We keep the frame from outside as it is exactly. And from inside, it's the same... it's a new window but with the same frame and the same square inches. From outside, we don't want to touch anything. JS: Inaudible from mark 796-798 on tape. So what we don't have are the dimensions of the original. The only thing that was not understood here... (unintelligible)... GE: I really want to guarantee you that from outside, I want the windows and the frame to look exactly as they look now, no changes. And L.. it is very important, I have looked at this house hundreds of times... From mark 807-812 on tape, conversation is inaudible. Those speaking stepped away from their respective microphones. LP: While they're discussing that, for the sake of everyone present, I'd like to point out that the certificate of appropriateness is for a single unit, all wood, aluminum clad exterior ... I think that we have a failure to communicate. AH: May I remind the commissioners that no part of that conversation is being recorded for the record? That will make the minutes incomplete. From mark 814-820 on tape, conversation is inaudible. LP: You have three more minutes. From mark 821-826 on tape, conversation is inaudible LP: We are back to our regular portion of our meeting after a brief sidebar. Joann, are you clear, do you have a brief comment? JS: Because of a lack of understanding of the very well presented cross section detail of the window, of the replacement window which has the insulated glass, it would appear that the replacement window, if I understand this drawing correctly, and I'm not sure that I do, that the replacement window would more accurately replicate the appearance of the original window than putting in the storm window. It is quite clear from the drawing that the storm window would involve two things that are not original, in that the width of the current frame would be wider than the original... trails off to inaudible. LP: I would also like to ask Wayne Doolittle our preservation specialist who has been onsite, if you have a brief comment that you'd like to make in this regard. WD: This is a really difficult thing to assess, what I would like to see... trails off to inaudible. From mark 842-848 on tape, conversation is inaudible. Cause unknown. LP: We all want a good outcome and I'm looking at the staffreport, you have a local landmark, and when you bought it, it was a landmark. And professor you have outstanding credentials, international business, and you are in one of the newest and largest of our historic districts, and the eyes of the preservation world are upon us, and I sincerely want a positive outcome. One that preserves the historic integrity and one that honors you and your commitment to preservation, and yet is compliant to the standards guidelines as written. If there are no further comments... SP: Just from the application its diff cult...the question that you're asking the board to do is very difficult with the information in the application doesn't seem to be a concise question, with the 4 evidence that they need to support it. The application is vague in regards to what you're asking them to do. What you've done is put this commission which is a legal body in a very dijjicult position to approve something in which the question presented doesn't necessarily dictate what they approve. It's more of your testimony... that you're revising your application while you speak, and that is very dijficult position to put the commission in ... maybe ... inaudible ... the application should be withdrawn, and be revised to be a more concise question before the board. GE: As I said I think that there are three objectives here, and one is to preserve the... LP: I'm going to interrupt for a second here, you have stated that, and I understand that. We're also under a time deadline and we've exceeded by several term our normal time deadline.... JS: I'd like to suggest, unless time is of the essence for you, that you prepare three cross sections, similar to this, which would illuminate the three options that you're looking at. The original cross section, including the trim, the inside, the outside what the cross section would look like with storm windows, and what the cross section would look like with replacement windows, to the extent that they can be measured, so that we can make a comparison. Trails off to inaudible. LP: I'm going to suggest that we, as the counselor suggested that we should have this withdrawn, clarified and resubmitted. SP: As a body, you really can't ask that it be withdrawn, it must come from the petitioner. You can deny it... LP: I understand. Do you wish to withdraw your petition? GE: May I ask... may I submit it again? LP: By all means, at the next meeting that's in one month. And if...what is your time constraints on this, are you planning any international travel? GE: Actually yes, tomorrow I have to go to Shanghai. LP: You have extensive Chinese connections in your extensive resume. GE: In that case, I will withdraw my proposal and resubmit it with those three cross sections in a month. LP: Where you planning on having this work done while you were in Shanghai? GE: Well, I will be back pretty quickly. I think that I can manage that. LP: I would also recommend that you work with Historic Preservation Commission so that when it is resubmitted everything has the clarity that we can make an effective and legal ruling on it. From mark 884-886 on tape, conversation is inaudible LP: I would also recommend when you're back from Shanghai that you call the Commission and let us know that you're back in town. We'll do everything that we canto move this forward. GE: Thank you. LP: Thank you so much for coming. I saw a raised hand in the audience. JK: I'm Joanie Downs Krostenko, 849 Forest Avenue. I actually came with a statement that I wanted to read apropos of the C ofA for 710 Park Avenue, which I would like to leave whether I am allowed to read it or not. I do also wish to ask a question as a member of the audience. I understand that the C ofA as written was somewhat vague or contradictory but even in the audience, regardless of that contradiction, it was not clear to me whether or not it was a C ofA for the restoration or replacement of the existing windows or regarding the addition of storm windows. And I was just wondering if that could be cleared up, because it seemed like if he was given the right to do replacement windows, then he wasn't going to need storm windows, is that right? So is it appropriate for me to make my statement regarding this C ofA? LP: Actually, I mentioned public hearing, and I didn't see anyone in the audience JK: Yes, that was me. I don't think that you mentioned it actually. LP: I thought that I had. SP: I think that it was withdrawn before you got to... LP: I'm very sorry then, please make your brief statement. JK: Oh, ok. Dear members of the Historic Preservation Commission and community, my name is Joan Downs-Krostenko, and I represent the Chapin Park neighborhood, where I am on the Board for the Chapin Park Neighborhood and am on the Historic Preservation Liaison Committee for the Chapin Park Historic District where I was one of the committee members which edited our guidebook in 2005. 1 am also a board member of the Near Northwest Neighborhood which encompasses the Chapin Park Historic District. 1 attend tonight's meeting requesting that the Commission allow only the restoration of the original windows in the signature property at 710 Park Avenue. A great deal of scholarly ink has been spilled on the question of whether new windows are better at heat conservation than properly reconditioned old windows. The preservationist community is in agreement. There is no question that the same and even better conservation can be obtained by reconditioning original windows. Therefore, as the Anderson House at 710 Park is a signature property in an amazing state of preservation and thus a treasure to the entire community, and as the standards to which such an exemplary property should be held are clear in this case regarding preservation of existingfeatures ofsuch incalculable value, and as the compromising on this fact in anyway sets a terribly dangerous precedent in the Chapin Park Historic District and in the St. Joseph County, I respectfully request that 710 Park Avenue be allowed only the restoration of its original windows. Those of us who own historic homes know that we are caretakers; our properties were interesting, beautiful and valuable before we inhabited them. It is our duty to, like Hippocrates, "do not harm ". These buildings are not there only for our convenience and enjoyment. They are civic treasures. Sometimes we chose what may seem a time consuming or painstaking approach to their maintenance but this is because we understand our role and see ourselves clearly as only one in what is hopefully a long line of lovers of our heritage. LP: How many more pages do you have? JK: That's it. LP: Thank you very much. The chair now closes the public portion. SP: I would like to add that the speaker that just, because the application was withdrawn, when the it is submitted again, your comments will not necessarily be apart of that record. From mark 910-913 on tape, conversation is inaudible B. LANDMARKS 1. 1013 East Jefferson — Third Reading CH: 1013 E Jefferson is up for its third reading. We have all of the information that is needed; we just need a motion to send it to Common Council. LP: As the President of the Commission, I Lynn Patrick, would ask for a motion to send 1013 E Jefferson to the Common Council of the City of South Bend. MJC: I move to send a favorable recommendation to the Common Council regarding the designation of 1013 E. Jefferson as a Local Landmark. TK: Second. LP: As President I ask now for a discussion on the motion on the floor. Seeing none, I will now call for a vote. From mark 917-921 on tape, conversation is inaudible LP: All in favor? (Ayes are heard) All opposed? (Silence) The motion passes by a vote of 6-0. Great. President Patrick either misspoke or miscounted, the vote was 7-0. Moved: MJC Second: TK _ Vote: 7-0 Unanimous 2. 853 Forest — Second Reading CH: 853 Forest is up for its second reading, and I did send a letter to the homeowners, and they did find their abstract. They stopped by the office today, but unfortunately we were out. And so they're going to drop off the abstract tomorrow for our review. If you would like to postpone the second reading until next month when we have the abstract and can do some more research on it we can do that. G From mark 923-927 on tape, conversation is inaudible MJC: I'll make a motion to postpone. -TK: Second. LP: All in favor? (Ayes are heard) All opposed? (Silence) Motion carries. Moved: MJC Second: TK Vote: 7-0 Unanimous C. NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION None on the agenda III. REGULAR BUSINESS A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES August 21, 2006. From mark 930-933 on tape, conversation is inaudible. Motion for approval recorded from notes. Moved: JS Second: MJC Vote: 6-0 Unanimous, with 1 abstention — TK abstained due to absence on 8/21. TREASURER'S REPORT CH: I have the location budget reports. From mark 933-939 on tape, conversation is inaudible. TK: I formally submit all documents, any questions? LP: Moving on to the Committee Reports. B. COMMITTEE REPORTS 1. President's Report LP: I'll be brief in my President's Report. I understand that we have a new revised list ofpeople for the advisory board. As we discussed at last meeting, we want to look over it .... trails off to inaudible. From mark 942-948 on tape, conversation is inaudible CH: We did not contact anyone. We're not ready to contact anyone yet. Don't contact anyone on your own. LP: I'd like to reiterate that no commissioners should take it upon themselves to be contacting anyone, though we are moving in that direction. From mark 950 -forward on tape, conversation is inaudible — essentially to the conclusion of the meeting. 2. Historic Districts Because tape of meeting is inaudible printed copies of the report is being inserted in lieu of verbatim conversation. Submitted by MC, Committee Chair: At the HPC Commission hearing in August 2006, I suggested that the Commission might want to look into the possibility that we might start inquiries to find if there was a viable neighborhood interest in such an undertaking- that it might help the owners in their desire to continue to keep their homes from commercial intrusions in the future, and from improper changes to the buildings as they now exist. 7 However, since that time I have learned of a number of valid reasons why this is not the time to begin such a task. There is reason to think the neighbors are interested to the degree necessary for such work to begin, and the HPC staff is not in a position to devote the time and funds that would be necessary to begin such a major project at this time. Therefore, I request that this idea be brought before the HPC at a time which it might be more likely to succeed. 2. Correspondence C. STAFF REPORTS 1. Director's Report — Catherine Hostetler Distributed to Commissioners. Conversation inaudible. 2. Assistant Director's Report — Amy Herdman Distributed to Commissioners. Conversation inaudible. 3. Legal Report — Shawn Peterson Conversation is inaudible, no written report submitted. IV. OLD BUSINESS None discussed. V. NEW BUSINESS Conversation on tape is inaudible. Resolution included in minutes from printed copy submitted by Commissioner Klusczinski. A Resolution of the Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend and St. Joseph County, Indiana in response to the recent South Bend Park Department budget proposal that has threatened the "Potawatomi Greenhouses and the Ella -Morris and Muessel-Ellison Botanical Conservatories," their botanical examples, collections, and their benefit to the City of South Bend. Whereas the Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend and St. Joseph County, Indiana convened on September 18, 2006 for its regular meeting in the 4`h floor Council Chambers; County - City Building Now therefore, be it resolved, that the Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend and St. Joseph County, Indiana as follows: Section 1. That the City of South Bend and the Department of Parks and Recreation reconsider the dismantling of the Greenhouses and the Lord and Burnham Conservatories located in Potawatomi Park; Section 2. That the City of South Bend and the Department of Parks and Recreation convene a round table of specialists in the fields of heating and horticulture to determine any reasonable and economic methods available to save these structures and their exhibits; Section 3. That the City of South Bend and the Department of Parks and Recreation organize groups of volunteers to serve in the various capacities needed to keep the Conservatories in operation and open to the public; Section 4. That the City of South Bend and the Department of Parks and Recreation explore other avenues of fund raising, and that the admission fee of the complex be evaluated; Section 5. That the City of South Bend and the Department of Parks and Recreation study the detrimental impact to tourism, market appeal, and education; . Section 6. This resolution shall be in full force and effect from and after its adoption by the Commission. Moved: TK Second: JU Vote: 7-0 Unanimous 0 VI. HEARING OF VISITORS Guest Don Sporleder was recognized to speak. ADJOURNMENT . 8:36 pm Moved: TK Second: MJC Attest: Mary Jane Chasse Secretary Historic Preservation Commission South Bend & St. Joseph County Comments are inaudible. 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