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5o' 'H�e�"' AGENDA 'OF THE NOVEMBER 20 2006
1864
Regular Meeting 4th Floor Council Chambers
R County -City Building
E MONDAY, November 20, 2006 7:30PM
I. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL
II. PUBLIC HEARING
` A. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
1. 710 Park Avenue COA#2006-1108-A
0 B. LANDMARK
..:: 1. 853 Forest Third Reading
C. NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION_
` Walker Field Shelter House and Northside Boulevard Riverwall
Listed on National Register of Historic Places on September 27, 2006
III. REGULAR BUSINESS
-= A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Q October 16, 2006
�. October 21, 2006
B. TREASURER'S REPORT
Location Report
w C. COMMITTEE REPORTS
1. President's Report:
A. Advisory Board
2. Committee Reports
A. 'Landmarks -Todd Zeiger
i
D. < STAFF REPORTS:
.:. 1. C of A Approvals; Correspondence;
- A. Director's Report
B. Assistant Director's Report
2. Legal,
IV. OLD BUSINESS
4V NEW BUSINESS
- - a,
STAFF REPORT .
CONCERT WG APPLICATION FOR A
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
Rate: Novgc� 0pnber 9, 2006
Application dumber: 2006-1108-A
Property ]r cation:. 710 Park Avenue
Property O,`..yter: Georges Enderle
Landmark v r" District Designation: Local Landmark, Chapin Park LHD/NR
Rating: Outstanding
STATEMEI`` -jr OF SIGNIFICANCEMISTORIC CONTEXT: This Eclectic Italianate was built for
Chapin ,Anderson and Andrew Anderson between 1875 and 1877. Four generations of the
Mary
Maryson-Du`--'" ane family lived in this house until 1962.
Ande
APPLICAT_ 114CX� ITEMS: Replacement of four windows in dining room with Marvin insulated glass (tat
can be upgraded to Low E II/Argon gas) windows. The windows will be wooden double hung inserts,
aluminum clad for the sashes and wood for the sills. The daylight openings for the proposed sashes are: width
30 5/8" versus .311/4" in the original and height 37 3/8" versus 39" in the original.
7—tandards and Guidelines for Chapin Park: H Existing Structures, C Windows and Doors: Please see
ttached pages 74 and 75 of the Chapin Park Standards and Guidelines for the verbatim Standards concerning
windows. ^ j* DMARK STANDARDS B. Treatment: Treatment shall be defined as any change of
GROUP materials L that will not alter the style or original form. Such improvements include re roofin , glazing,
surface cinlawns and may involve a change that can potentiallyenhance or detract from he character of g
or landscaping A treatment change of any surface whether on the landmark or in its environment may require a
the landmark. ropriateness if it significantly alters the appearance of the landmark. Although these kinds of
Certificate of AP require a Building Permit a Certificate of Appropriateness may be necessary. The
changes may not
commission should review the proposed treatment for character and style consistency with the original
surfaces.
A,TION: Professor Enderle proposes to remove the four sashes in the bay window area
RECOMMENp
of his dining room anreplace lace the sashes with aluminum clad wooden sashes and wooden sills with
Marvin Clad LTltirnate Insert Double Hung, Head Jamb, Checkrail with Beveled Frame version installed
in the existing frwnes and on top of he existing sills. (See illustration on page 19.9 of the Marvin insert
which shows both the sashes and the sill as aluminum clad). The Marvin Clad Ultimate Insert window
framing will be individually custom fit into each of the four irregular' window openings in the bay window
mea'end approval because to Chapin Park Standards and Guidelines require that
Staff does not recd
original windows an doors shall be retained including sashes lintels, sills, shutters, decorative glass,
pediments, hoods and hardware. When deteriorated beyond repair, they shall be replace with units and
trim resembling the onginal. And the Chapin Park guidelines prohibit discarding original windows when
they can be restored and reused in place as well as the use of aluminum insulating glass combinations that
require removal of ongmal windows and doors.
Application
- FOR -
Certificate icate o f Appropriateness
Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County
125 S. Lafayette Blvd., South Bend, Indiana 46601
Mailing Address: Countyfiity Building, South Bend, Indiana 46601
Phone: 574-23S-9798 • Fax: 574-235-9578 • Email: SBSJCHPC@co.st josephin.us
Website: http://www.sgosephcountyindiana.com/s chp/index.html
OFFICE USE ONLY »»» DO NOT COMPLETE ANY ENTRIES CONTAINED IN THIS BOX »»» OFFICE USE ONLY
Date Received '? k4v/- zed 6 Application Numbert O O6 - l!aovfi
Past Reviews: [t rYES (Date of Last Reaiety)
Staff' Approval authorized by:
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Title:
Historic Commission Review Date: //_ 44 " Zoo G
IiTfoeal Landmark [E�rocal Historic District (Name) 14.4�
[� National Landmark [jj�ational Register District (Name)
Certificate of Appropriateness:
Denied ❑ Tabled F] Sent To Committee R Approved and Issued
DATE
Address of Property for proposed work: -7/o ecwL Ave4que-
Street Number and Street Name
Name of Property Owner(s): (Please Print) GC -00-66 S ENDerL....E,
Address of Property Owner(s): T10 n44'_- Ave_
Contractor(s) Name: R1 Cf_(Al?_D GULL F_
Contract Company Name: (L)M SF12Vlc -
Contractor Address: SS C 21 No �Ct.r PCK:k�
City: b0 tn/ac)'t RC'. f ( Phone: 74- 2 o 4 757
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Current Use of Building: kt t4c)(e rt y
(Single Family — Multi -Family — Commercial — Government — Industrial — Vacant — etc.)
Type of Building Construction: W 000(
(Wood Frame — Brick — Stone — Steel — Concrete — Other)
Proposed Work: Fj In-kind E] Landscape ❑ New g Replacement (not in-kind) ❑ Demolition
(more than one box may be checked)
Description of Proposed Work: MGt r"Vf n tPoo'e as wo oc( t cl ou We.
_Strz_ e4-tc o2pt lxo c4,c� vozc!; Nc o koc.. q'vc k , tom( cf-( tt'l�-i
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Owner/ : Fax: 674 63/ ,E-S19e-mail C3 e"ote-r (e h C. edu
(This office will correspond with only one designee) V _
and/or
— APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS ARE LISTED ON REVERSE SIDE —
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Guidebook Chapin Park Local Historic District
Recommended
The original shape and materials of the roof should be restored. Particular effort should be made
to retain materials such as slate, the and other unique materials not commonly found in new con-
struction. Roof covering which is deteriorated beyond repair should be replaced with new mate-
rial that matches as closely as possible the original in composition, size, shape, color and texture.
Gutters and downspouts are often a necessary adjunct in order to prevent deterioration of the
structure; they should be maintained whenever possible or replaced with a style comparable and
suitable to the architectural period.
Prohibited ROOF TYPES
Nothing shall be done
to change the essential
character of the roof as
viewed from a street
by adding architectur-
al features or large d N!o C2&4,
unsightly fixtures, or
by using materials inappropriate to the style of the house. The roof shall not be stripped of architec-
Lural features important to its character.
Not Recommended
Overhanging eaves, soffit, brackets and gables should not be covered or enclosed when adding sid-
ing to a building.
C. WINDOWS AND DOORS
Window and door frames are
in most cases wood and vary
depending upon the style of
the home. Many are double-
hung windows with wood
'r t J top tag par„"s brad
pu��Y
rabbet
trim and sills. Brick structures
®
.
, ,atang rail w w"
have stone sills and brick lin-
wd`M Pocket
tell. In some cases where alu-
1!t Jf i ' - —NUe {nterior stop
minuet siding has been
applied the window and
r
sul !'. t' '', — P"" y
l� =" 'bottomt'"
'f" ! t ! �� til stool
Mullin ProNn
door trim has been covered.
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About half of the structures in
t a t t sa! {ins can mntriw't subMantiany
the district have aluminum
M wwow c Elevation Wln&w s.rtlo»a to wiruk+w eijn licence.
storm windows; the other half
have wood storm windows.
Required
Casement windows adapted the English tradition
1
Original windows and doors
of using wrought iron casements with leaded
±
shall be retained including
Games for residential use. Rolled steel casements
sashes, lintels, sills, shutters,
(either single, as shown, or paired) were populari
decorative glass, pediments,
in the 1920s for Cottage -style residences and
TV
hoods and hardware. When
Gothic -style campus architecture. More stream
deteriorated beyond repair,
lined casements were popular in the 1930s for j
they shall be replaced with
institutional and small industrial buildings. 1
units and trim resembling the
-
--
original.
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Chapin Park Local Historic District
Recommended
Guidebook
Wood storm windows and doors painted or finished to match the original should be used but
should not damage existing frames. If new sashes or doors are installed, the existing or original
materials, design and hardware should be used. When metal storm doors are used, they should be
painted, anodized or coated to match the existing. When awnings are used, they should be of can-
vas material.
Prohibited
Original doors, windows and hardware shall
not be discarded when they can be restored and
reused in place. New window and door open-
ings, which would alter the scale and propor-
tion of the building may not be introduced.
Inappropriate new window and door features
such as metal, vinyl or fiberglass awnings,
hoods or aluminum insulating glass combina-
tions that require removal of original windows
and doors, shall not be installed.
Not Recommended
Fake shutters that would
detract from the existing
character or appearance of
the building should not be
used.
Figure 9.
Appropriate types of
weatherstripping for
metal windows.
Weatherstripping is an important
part of upgrading the thermal
efficiency of historic steel windows.
The chart at right shows the
jamb section of the window
with the weatherstripping in place.
Drawings: Sharon C. Park, AIA
EXTFMICrL
A ACR UC ANEL'aA
#Bi
r,O." PANE..
iNT_lil QR.
Figure 8. Two examples of adding a second layer of glazing in order
to improve the thermal performance of historic steet windows.
Drawing: Sharon C. Park, AIA
Spring -metal ExTcnlon
Spring -metal comes in bronze, brass or
fiMN� stainless steel with an integral friction -fit
clip. The weatherstripping is applied after
PAd ME the repaired windows are painted to avoid
galvanic corrosion. This type of thin weath-
,� erstripping is intended for windows in
WEArW MMr good condition.
Vinyl Strips EITEINon Vinyl strips are scored and folded into a
"V' configuration. Applied adhesive is
fiMH necessary which will increase the thickness
of the weatherstripping, making it inap-
rrAMCZ, propnate for some situations. The weather-
strip ing is generally applied to the
C—WFAneno,rmir winowafter painting.
Foam Tape ExTeAlor,
fi^'rH�
FMMC -Z"
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Sealant Bead EXTEAior,
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Closed cell foam tape comes either with or
without an adhesive backing. It is effective
for windows with a gap of approximately
114" and is easy to install. However, this
type of weatherstripping will need frequent
replacement on windows in regular use.
The metal sections should be cleaned of all
dirt and grease prior to its application.
This very effective type of weatherstrip-
ping involves the application of a clean
bead of firm -setting caulk on the primed
frame with a polyethylene bond breaker
tape on the operable sash. The window is
then closed until the bead has set and takes
the form of the gap. The sash is then
opened and the tape is removed leaving
the set caulk as the weatherstripping.
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WINDOWS AT 710 PARK AVENUE
DINING ROOM
EXISTING WINDOW
EXTERIOR ELEVATION
1.
T-44
3'-3-1"
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WINDOWS AT 710 PARK AVENUE
DININGROOM.
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INSIDE
EXISTING WINDOW
HORIZONTAL SECTION
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WINDOWS AT 710 PARK AVENUE
DINING ROOM
3'-34"
3'-34"
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34"
EXISTING WINDOW
VERTICAL SECTION
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CASING
PARTING STOP
9" METAL STRIP
WINDOW -STOP
REUSE
YaNDOWS AT 7 10 PARK AVENUE
DINING ROOM
T-41/411
2171/4-0
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EXISTING WINDOW
HORIZONTAL SECTION
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SCALE 311 = it
WINDOWS AT 710 PARK AVENUE
DINING ROOM
EXISTING WINDOW
VERTICAL SECTION
INSIDE
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PRODUCT SPECIFICATION
SECTION. 08 5213
ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD ULTIMATE INSERT DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW
PART GENERAL
1.1 SECTION INCLUDES '
A. Aluminum clad wood ultimate insert (double hung) [single hung) and related [picture] [transom] window complete with hardware,
glazing, weatherstrip, [insect screen] [removable grille] (simulated divided lite) [grilles -between -the -glass] and standard or'specified
anchors, trim, and attachments.
1.2 RELATED SECTIONS
A. Section 0133 23 -Submittal Procedures: Shop Drawings, Product Data, and Samples.
B. Section 0162 00 -Product Options.
C. Section 0165 00 -Product Delivery.
D. Section 0166 00 -Product Storage and Handling Requirements.
E. Section 0171 00 -Examination and Preparation.
F. Section 0173 00 -Execution.
G. Section 0174 00 -Cleaning and Waste Management.
H. Section 0176 00 -Protecting Installed Construction.
I. Section 06 22 00 -Millwork: Wood trim other than furnished by window manufacturer.
J. Section 07 92 00 -Joint Sealants: SRI sealant and perimeter caulking.
K. Section 09 90 00 -Paints and Coatings: Paint or stain other than factory applied finish.
1.3 REFERENCES
A. American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM):
1. E 283: Standard Test Method for Rate of Air Leakage Through Exterior Windows, Curtain Walls, and Doors.
2. E 330: Standard Test Method for Structural Performance of Exterior Windows, Curtains Walls, and Doors by Uniform Static Air
Pressure Difference.
3. E 547: Standard Test Method for Water Penetration of Exterior Windows, Curtain Walls, and Doors by Cyclic Static Air Pressure
Differential.
4. E 774: Specification for Sealed Insulated Glass Units.
5. C 1036: Standard Specification for Flat Glass.
B. American National Standards Institute I National Wood Window and Door Association (ANSI / NW WDA): I.S.4: Industry Standard for
Water Repellent Preservative Treatment for Millwork.
C. American Architectural Manufacturers Association / Window and Door Manufacturers Association (AAMA / WDMA):
101 / I.S.2-97: Voluntary Specifications for Aluminum, Vinyl (PVC) and Wood Windows and Glass Doors.
D. Window and Door Manufacturers Association (WDMA): 101 / I.S.2 WDMA Hallmark Certification Program.
,.,Iat
E. Sealed Insulating Glass Manufacturers Association / Insulating Glass Certification Council (SIGMA / IGCC).
F. American Architectural Manufacturers Association (AAMA): AAMA 2605 Voluntary Specification for High Performance Organic
Coatings on Architectural Extrusions and Panels.
G. National Fenestration Rating Council (NFRC): 101: Procedure for Determining Fenestration Product Thermal Properties.
1.4 SYSTEM DESCRIPTION
A. Design and Performance Requirements:
1. Window Units shall be designed to comply with AAMA / WDMA I.S.2-97
a. Double Hung: H-LC30 up to 44 X 77.608 Inside Opening.
b. Transom: TR-LC30 up to 44 X 23.051 Inside Opening.
C. Picture: F-LC30up to 68 X 77.608 Inside Opening.
2. Air leakage shall not exceed the following when tested at LC -30 - 1.57 psf according to ASTM E 283: LC -30 - 0.30 cfm per
square foot of frame.
3. No water penetration shall occur when units are tested at the following pressure according to ASTM E 547: LC -30 - 4.5 psf.
4. Window assembly shall withstand the following positive or negative uniform static air pressure difference without damage when
tested according to ASTM E 330: LC -30 - 45 psf.
1.5 SUBMITTALS
A. Shop Drawings: Submit shop drawings under provisions of Section 0133 23.
B. Product Data: Submit catalog data under provisions of Section 01 33 23.
C. Samples:
1. Submit corner section under provisions of Section 0133 23.
2. Include glazing system, quality of construction, and specified finish.
D. Quality Control Submittals: Submit manufacturer's certifications indicating compliance with specified performance and design
requirements under provisions of Section of 33 23.
1.6 QUALITY ASSURANCE
A. Regulatory Requirements: Emergency Egress or Rescue: Comply with requirements for sleeping units of (IBC Basic Building Code)
1.7 DELIVERY
A. Comply with provisions of Section 0165 00.
B. Deliver in original packaging and protect from weather.
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PRODUCT SPECIFICATION
1.8 STORAGE AND HANDLING
A. Prime or seal wood surfaces, including surface to be concealed by wall construction, if more than thirty (30) days will expire between
delivery and installation.
B. Store window units in an upright position in a clean and dry storage area above ground and protect from weather under provisions of
Section 0166 00.
1.9 WARRANTY
A. Windows shall be warranted to be free from defects in manufacturing, materials, and workmanship for a period often (10) years from
purchase date.
B. Insulating glass shall be warranted against visible obstruction through the glass caused by a failure of the insulating glass for a period
of twenty (20) years from the date of original purchase.
PART 2 PRODUCTS
2.1 MANUFACTURED UNITS
A. Description: Clad Ultimate Insert [Double Hung] [Single Hung] [Stationary] as manufactured by Marvin Windows and Doors, Warroad,
Minnesota
2.2 ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD ULTIMATE INSERT DOUBLE HUNG MATERIALS
A. Frame: Finger jointed edge -glued pine head and side jambs with clear pine interior veneer [finger jointed edge glued white oak head
and side iambs with clear white oak interior veneer] [Tager jointed edge -glued cherry head and side jambs with clear cherry interior
veneer] [finger jointed edge -glued mahogany head and side jambs with clear mahogany interior veneer] [finger jointed edge -glued
vertical grain Douglas fir head and side jambs with clear vertical grain Douglas fir interior veneer]. Finger jointed [clear] sill. Kiln dried to
a moisture content no greater than twelve (12) percent at the time of fabrication. Water repellent preservative treated in accordance
with ANSI / NW WDA I.S.4. Frame thickness: 21/32 inch (17 mm) head jamb, 1-5116 inch (33 mm) composite side jamb, 21/32 inches
(17 mm) sill, 8 degree bevel, 15/32 inches (29 mm) flat sill available. Frame width: 31/4 inches (83 mm). Exterior extruded aluminum
clad 0.050 inch (1.3 mm) thick.
B. Sash: Clear pine [white oak] [cherry) [mahogany] [vertical grain Douglas fir] kiln dried to a moisture content no greater than twelve (12)
percent at the time of fabrication. Water repellent preservative treated in accordance with ANSI / WDMA I.S.4. Composite sash
thickness: 1-9/16 inches (40 mm) for operating units. Corners slot and tenoned. Sash exterior extruded aluminum clad 0.045 inch
(1.1 mm) thick. Operable sash bit to interior for cleaning or removal. `
C. Glazing: Select quality complying with ASTM C 1036. Insulating glass SIGMAAGCC certified to performance level CBA when tested
in accordance with ASTM E 774.
1. Glazing method:
[insulating glass] [Altitude adjusted]
2. Glass type:
[Clear)
[Bronze]
(Gray] "
Reflective bronze]
Low E It] [Argon gas]
Tempered]
Obscure]
Laminated)
3. 31azing seal: Silicone bedding on interior; acrylic foam adhesive tape on exterior.
D. Finish:
1. Exterior: Fluoropolymer modified acrylic topcoat applied over primer. Meets or exceeds AAMA 2605 requirements. Standard
color: (Stone White] [Bronze] [Bahama Brown] [Pebble Gray] [Evergreen]. [Select color: [Ebony] [Arctic White] [Sierra White]
[French Vanilla] [Desert Beige] [Wineberry] [Coconut Cream] [Cashmere] [Cadet Gray] [Cumulus Gray] [Sherwood Green]
(Hampton Sage] [Cascade Blue] [Cobalt Blue]]. [Custom color - contact your Marvin representative].
2. Interior: [Treated bare wood] [Latex prime coat, white].
E. Hardware:
1. Balance system: Coil spring block and tackle with nylon cord and fiber filled nylon clutch.
2. Jamb track: Vinyl extrusion. Color: [Beige] [White].
3. Lock: High pressure zinc die-cast cam lock and keeper. Finish: Phosphate coated and electrostatically painted Satin Taupe
[Bronze] [White] [Brass] [Satin Chrome] [Satin Nickel] [Antique Brass) [Oil Rubbed Bronze].
F. Weatherstrip: Unit is weatherstripped at iambs with a foam type material for added long-term performance to seal against both the
bottom sash and top sash stiles. The bottom sash has a weatherstrip to seal against the sill, the top check rail has a weatherstrip to
seal against the bottom check rail, and the top rail seals against a weatherstrip on the head -jamb parting stop. Stationary units:
Continuous, bulb weatherstrip at perimeter of sash, concealed slotted bulb weatherstrip on exterior of sash, pile weatherstrip on interior
of blind stop, dual durometer bulb weatherstrip at bottom rail. Color: Beige.
G. Insect Screens: Factory installed [half screen] [full screen]. Half screen covers bottom sash opening. Screen cloth, 18 X 16 mesh:
Charcoal fiberglass (Charcoal aluminum wire] [Black aluminum wire] [Bright aluminum wire] [Bright bronze wire). Aluminum frame
finish: Standard color: [Stone White] [Bronze] [Bahama Brown] [Pebble Gray] [Evergreen]. [Select color: [Ebony] [Arctic White] [Sierra
White] (French Vanilla] [Desert Beige] (Wineberry] [Coconut Cream) [Cashmere] [Cadet Gray] [Cumulus Gray] (Sherwood Green]
[Hampton Sage] (Cascade Blue] [Cobalt Bluej]. [Custom color - contact your Marvin representative].
H. Removable Grilles: [3/4 by 15/32 inch (19 mm X 12 mm)] (1-1/8 X 15/32 inch (29 mm X 12 mm)] Pine.
1. Pattern: [Rectangular] [Custom lite layout].
2. Finish: Match interior sash finish.
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CLAD ULTIMATE INSERT DOUBLE HUNG Madeforyou.
PRODUCT SPECIFICATION
t. Simulated Divided Lues (SOL): [7Ja inch (22 mm) wide] (1-1/8 inch (29 mm) wide) [with internal spacer bars]. Exterior muntins: 0.055
inch (1.4 mm) thick extruded aluminum. Interior muntins: Pine [white oakj [cherry] (mahogany] [vertical grain Douglas fir). Muntins
adhered to glass with double coated acrylic foam tape.
1. Pattern: [Rectangular] [Custom lite layout]. Finish: Match sash finish.
J. Grilles -between -the -glass (GBG): 11/16 inch (17 mm) white contoured aluminum bar. Optional flat aluminum spacer bar, contact your
Marvin representative.
2.3 ACCESSORIES AND TRIM
A. Installation Accessories:
1. Package of installation hardware consisting of: Factory installed vinyl sill fin.
a. Two 5/16 inch - #10 x 21/2 inch Jamb jack screws
b. Four N7 x 2 inch Phillips panhead installation screws
c. Two jamb liner check rail pads
d. Two color matched clad jamb plugs (exterior)
e. Two wood flat head plugs (interior)
2. Sash lifts: High pressure zinc die-cast. Color. Satin Taupe [Bronze] [White] [Brass] [Satin Chrome] [Satin Nickel)
[Antique Brass] [Oil Rubbed Bronze].
B. Aluminum Extrusions:
1. Profile: [Frame expander] (Extruded panning] [Mullion cover] as indicated on drawings.
2. Finish: Ftuoropolymer modified acrylic topcoat applied over primer. Meets or exceeds AAMA 2605 requirements. Calor:
Standard color: (Stone White] (Bronze) (Bahama Brown] [Pebble Gray] [Evergreen). [Select color: [Ebony] [Arctic White] [Sierra
White] [French Vanilla] [Desert Beige] [Wineberry] [Coconut Cream) [Cashmere] [Cadet Gray] (Cumulus Gray] (Sherwood Green)
[Hampton Sage] [Cascade Blue] (Cobalt Blue]]. [Custom color - contact your Marvin representative].
PART 3 EXECUTION
3.1 EXAMINATION
A. Verification of Conditions: Before installation, verify openings are plumb, square, and of proper dimension as required in Section
01 71 00. Report frame defects or unsuitable conditions to the General Contractor before proceeding.
B. Acceptance of Conditions: Beginning of installation confirms acceptance of existing conditions.
3.2 INSTALLATION
A. Comply with Section 0173 00.
B. Assemble and install window unit according to manufacturer's instructions and reviewed shop drawings.
C. Install sealant and related backing materials at perimeter of unit or assembly in accordance with Section 07 92 00 Joint Sealants. Do
not use expansive foam sealant.
D. Install accessory items as required.
3.3 CLEANING
A. Remove visible labels and adhesive residue from glass according to manufacturer's instructions.
B. Leave windows and glass in a clean condition. Final cleaning as required in Section 0174 00.
3.4 PROTECTING INSTALLED CONSTRUCTION
A. Comply with Section 0176 00.
B. Protect windows from damage by chemicals, solvents, paint, or other construction operations that may cause damage.
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EGRESS / NFRC VALUES
MINIMUM EGRESS CINDH EGRESS GUIDELINES
j REQUIREMENTS
{ Inside Opening Inside Opening ! i
Width Height 66 ;
26 841/16 ± 64
28 78 1 so f
30 7215/16 I _ 76
32 689/16 ' e, Meets National
34 643/4 1 �i _ 72Egress Codes
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36 61 7/i 6 � 6a �'►
38 or greater 58 7/16 or greater a 1 64 �1 '
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5 52 National Egress Codes {
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ipternstipgli Building Code - 2000 48 1
Section 1009 Emergency Escape and Rescue 44 +
1009.2 Minimum site. Emergency escape and rescue openings shalt have
a minimum net dear opening of 5.7 square feet (0.53m2). Exception: The 24 26 28 30 32 34 36 38 40 42 44 46 48 50
minimum net clear opening for emergency escape and rescue openings on inside Opening Width
the gqround level at grade is 5.0 square feet (0.46m2). (in inches)
100D 2.1 Minimum eiimtnsions: The minimum net dear opening height
dimension shall be 24 inches (610 mm). The net clear opening width * When installed in accordance to recommended measuringand installation
dimension shall be 20 inches (508tmm). The net dear opening dimensions
shalt be the result of normal operation of the opening. guidelines, these sizes meet national egress codes for fire evacuation. Local
1009.3 Maximum height trom this floor: Emergency escape and rescue codes may differ.
opening shall have the bottom of the clear opening not greater than 44
inches (1118 time) measured from the floor.
1009.4 Operationalconstraints: Emergency escape and rescue openings CINDH EGRESS MEASUREMENTS
shall be operational from the inside of the room without the use of keys or
toss. Bars, grilles.grates, or similar devices are permitted tobeplaced over
emergency escape and rescue openings provided tate mmramum net clear
opening size complies with Section 1009.2 and such devices shall be
releasable or removable from the inside without the use of a key. toot, or
force greater than that which is required for normal operation of the escape
and rescue opening. fwt
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Insulating LOW E It Glass - Argon 0.33 3.03
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0.27
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Product Values are determined using the National Fenestration Rating Council Procedures ho determining fenestration product values.
U -Value: {Btu/hr-aq. ft= Fj Lower the U -value, the greater the res stance to treat flow and better its insulating value.
R -Value: {7 jU-Value} Flgher the R -Value, the greater the res stan�s to heat flaw and better its insulating value.
VLT: Visible tight Tranam,ttance -Percentage of v Bible light transmitted through the unit.
SHGC: Solar Heat Ga n Coeflidera The lower a window's SHGC .the fess solar heat it transmits, and the greater it's shading ability.
NNOS�•• Capillary rubes ora required lorlG units at hgh elevat ons. Argon wit! not be fumeshed in units with capillary tubes.
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Glass Size
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if the angle of the existing sill is 8
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*Height
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degrees or greater the unit will be made with an 8 degree frame bevel.
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MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
OF SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY
October 16, 2006
4`a Floor Council Chambers
County — City Building, South Bend, Indiana
Members Present: Lynn Patrick LP[President], Mary Jane Chase MJC[Secretary], Catherine Hostetler CH,
Martha Choitz MC, Joann Sporleder JS,[Architectural Historian], Jerry Ujdak JU, Tim Klusczinski TK,
[Treasurer] Shawn Peterson SP [Legal Counsel], Linda Riley LR
Staff Present: Catherine Hostetler CH [Director], Amy Herdman AH [Asst. Director], Wayne Doolittle WD
[Preservation Specialist]
Others Present: Don Sporleder DS, Susan Youens SY, Joan Dawns-Krostenko JD, Paul Hayden PH,
George Enderle GE
Absent: Todd Zeiger TZ [Vice President]
I. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL: Lynn Patrick called the meeting to order at 7:34pm
H. PUBLIC HEARING
A. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS
1. 710 Park Avenue C of A# 2006-1005A
STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: This Eclectic Italianate was built for
Mary Chapin Anderson and Andrew Anderson between 1875 and 1877. Four generations of the
Anderson-DuShane family lived in this house until 1962.
APPLICATION ITEMS: Replace 10 windows -5 rectangle window and 5 windows with rounded top
sashes -with single unit, all wood, aluminum clad exterior, with Aura Last (20 year guarantee) double
hung, low -E with Argon, (Jeld Wen, see quote from Home Depot)
Standards and Guidelines for Chapin Park: H Existing Structures, C Windows and Doors,
Required: Original windows and doors shall be retained including sashes, lintels, stills, shutters,
decorative glass .... When deteriorated beyond repair they shall be replaced with units and trim resembling
the original. Recommended: Wood storm windows....to match the original should be used but should
not damage existing frames. If new sashes ... are installed, the existing or original materials... should be
used. Prohibited: Original doors windows and hardware shall not be discarded when they can be
restored and reused in place. New window and door openings, which would alter the scale and proportion
of the building, may not be introduced. Inappropriate new window and door features such as metal, vinyl
or fiberglass awnings, hoods or aluminum insulating glass combinations that require the removal of
original windows and doors shall not be installed.
GROUP B LANDMARK STANDARDS B. Treatment: Treatment shall be defined as any change of
surface materials that will not alter the style or original form. Such improvements include reproofing,
glazing, or landscaping lawns and may involve a change that can potentially enhance or detract from the
character of the landmark. A treatment change of any surface whether on the landmark or in its
environment may require a Certificate of Appropriateness if it significantly alters the appearance of the
landmark ... The commission should review the proposed treatment for character and style consistency
with the original surfaces.
RECOMMENDATION: Staff does not recommend approval. Professor Enderle application is
requesting the complete removal of 10 windows and their replacement with modern double hung
windows with exterior aluminum cladding. The Chapin Park Standards and Guidelines prohibit "New
window and door openings, which would alter the scale and proportion of the building, may not be
introduced. Inappropriate new window and door features such as....aluminum insulating glass
combinations that require the removal of original windows shall not be installed."
Professor Enderele is requesting that ten of his original windows be completely removed and replaced
with new windows having rectangular sashes. This would alter the appearance of the five windows with
arched top sashes. This is not allowed under the Standards and Guidelines for the district or in the Group
B Standards.
The complete removal of the rectangular windows located in the dining room area is too invasive as
modern replacement wooden sashes are available through Jeld Wen's Zap Pack product line.
Replacement windows are also available for the arched top windows but as a custom order from Jeld
Wen's product line; but these would be a complete replacement window system.
LP: Thank you, does the homeowner wish to make any additional presentation?
TK: Madam President, I had one amendment to the Staff Report. It cites that it's a local
landmark, but is it also a National Landmark?
CH: No, it's on the National Register ....
TK: but not a National Landmark?
CH: No, it's in a National Register District.
TK: Ok.
SP: For the record, I believe that this is a new Certificate of Appropriateness, so the owner
would have to put all information on this one into the record as the proceeding before would not
apply.
LP: You are correct, thank you.
GE: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I very much appreciate the opportunity to submit my
proposal again. And I think that it was helpful to have some weeks to study in depth, and
particularly to prepare those photographs and architectural drawings. These are three sets of
each type of drawings, so you should have about 17 pages along with my letter which I sent on
October 6h. So, as it was said, I am proposing replacement windows and this is for the following
reasons: first, from outside, as it says in the guidelines, you have to preserve the appearance of
the house. And as I can show, from the historical record of my house, there were never storm
windows there. I checked with a specialist how we could install storm windows in the dining
room and it is feasibly not possible. It would be possible by placing or installing storm windows
on the exterior side, but there is not enough space to place it inside the frame. And I can show
that on the basis of those architectural drawings. Now, I appreciate that our Inspector, Wayne
Doolittle, also investigated with Home Depot and Jeld-Wen to find what alternative could be
found. He's proposing Zap pack that means the same quality as those premium windows that I'm
proposing but without the single unit. So, the zap pack means the two glass low E argon gas
windows- exactly the same, but without the single unit. That poses a problem because my
windows are not all rectangular. If we'd have to place those zap packs into a non -rectangular
frame, then it is a problem. Moreover, it was said that the arched windows... that we could find a
different solution for the arched windows. On the second floor that's also not possible because
the frame is not square it's arched. And uh, so I also measured the glass, the surface of the glass,
to know what would be the difference between the existing windows now and the replacement
windows and I came out that the difference is less than one tenth of one percent of the surface
would be bigger. That means that if I place those Jeld-Wen windows in, there's basically the
same face surface. So, it's not a reduction of the surface. I also, well, probably we will discuss
those different options, but I was told that if they are clad aluminum, the color that can not be
changed. Well, I don't consider a change of my house because this is a historic landmark, and if
the painting should be changed in the next twenty or thirty years, I will put all of the windows in
the basement, and they can be putted out and used again. So, I see a difficulty in that argument.
I mean the main point is that the solution of storm windows is technically not feasible. You can
tell me that the guidelines should require that, but I can not do it. It's very clear, I can not do it.
And if you tell me that I do not get the permission, than I will do nothing. So, I mean that is the
problem, and that is why I am so very pleased to have those drawings. Those drawings clearly
demonstrate that storm windows in the dining room are not feasible. Zap pack is also not
feasible because these are window frames that are not rectangular and that will cause a problem,
and they're not stable enough. So, I mean, I think that actually my proposal is living up to the
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spirit and the letter of the guidelines. The spirit and the letter. Namely to preserve the
appearance of the house, I don't change anything, nothing is changed, the frame is not changed,
the color is not changed, nothing. I will improve the quality with premium windows, premium,
not just one glass. And thirdly, I will have a home in which I can live in wintertime. I don't have
to go to Florida. So I would appreciate from you that you reconsider my arguments, and I thank
you for your understanding.
LP: The Chair will now recognize Commissioners with questions.
JS: I'm sonyI've lost my voice, but would like to say that after the last meeting l did go out to
Professor Enderle's house with his contractor and I did look at all of the windows to understand
exactly what the problem was. If you will look at the picture here, you will see why the storm .
windows will not work: There is no built in inset to put the storm windows in. It would interfere
with the decorative trim, the pilasters which are part of the decorative molding of the windows
itself. The use of storm windows in the traditional way of storm windows is not feasible, it simply
wouldn't work. Physically it wouldn't work, aesthetically it wouldn't work and historically,
totally incorrect. What he is suggesting then, the other option that we were looking at with the
contractor is using the sash, the existing sash, and installing insulated glass in the existing sash.
Unfortunately, Professor Enderle has said, the existing sash is not all rectangular, it is not
square in the corners, and that's part of the problem with the windows as they currently exist.
They don't meet at the top and there's air blowing through from the windows, due to the sash not
fitting properly in the existing frames. The glass has oozed as glass will do, the frames have
sagged, and the window frames have gone out of plumb. So there is nothing in the existing
windows that actually works. Furthermore, the weight ofputting insulated glass in the existing
sash would make the windows unusable, because the weights that operate those things are
calibrated for the existing single pane windows so those existing sash could not be reused, which
I think that we'd all hoped would be used. So the last option, which he is proposing is to install
the aluminum clad windows, is in fact the premium window on the market now a days. Each one
will be custom designed to fit in each space so that it will be absolutely appropriate. I have
calculated the d fference from the drawing which I asked him to prepare for us, which he had
done, the difference because Martha had brought it up the last time, about the difference in the
total percentage of glass-which sometimes look very strange; and the total difference is less than
inch in two feet. I don't think that you can tell that difference. Furthermore, the total
Percentage of square footage difference is less than one tenth of one percent square foot. Slightly
less than the existing, I don't think that is going to show. And, as he said, the windows with the
arches, the glass is not arched in those windows; it's the framework that's arched. Its part of the
trim on the outside, so to speak. So I am very much suggesting that we allow him to....
TK: I'd like to call for Orders of the Day. I don't know that this is the location in the agenda for
commissioners' discussion; I think that this is the point....
JS: I'm telling you that I don't need to ask him because I've already talked to him, that's why I'm
saying what I'm saying.
LP: I had recognized Commissioners with comments or questions, actually with questions for the
property owner, but she....
TK: Right.
LP: Good point.
JS: So I don't know what else I can say, I think that he has made an earnest effort to produce, as
he said, a livable substitute unless we want to forbid him to do anything and to live with his drafty
single pane windows.
LP: I'd like to interject at this point and askAmy, are her comments just now will that be clear
on the tape?
AH: Absolutely, I'm at maximum volume.
LP Ok.
JS: I'm so sorry, this just came on me yesterday.
LP: Its ok, it's riveting. It's especially appropriate for an October meeting.
JS: And I'm running out of steam.
LP: I'd like to ask other commissioners if they had any other questions.
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TK: I had a couple questions for the petitioner. I could see no indication of specific window
locations designated for replacement under this proposal. Do you have any sketch of your house
the ones that you're indicatingfor this ten window replacement?
GE: Yes, they are in the packet that I sent to you. They are exactly written down with the
measurements and everything.
TK: I have that, but I didn't know where these are featured on the house itself.
JS: It's the location of the windows that he's asking for.
GE: The location is on the second floor.
TK: All the windows are secondfloor?
loor?
GE: No, no, not all. Four are the dining room, four are the bedroom and two are the bathroom.
JS: What is the location of the upstairs room? Front room? Back room? Side room, what?
GE: it's on the, not the front side, its on the southeast side, towards my neighbor on the left.
TK: Thank you. A follow up to that... the C of A form as well as Mr. Enderle's letter dated
1010512006 and the petition for the replacement often window units total. Five rectangular, and
five rounded. I could find no drawing or illustrations for the five rounded top replacements of the
dimensions of the original examples that they would compliment. Am I missing something out my
packet, or do I just have examples of straight top windows here?
GE: You have the samples from the dining room, yes.
TK: When I tallied the number of replacements indicated in the quantity column in the quotation
pages, I found ten listed for double hung windows and none under radius and geometric
windows. How do I reconcile that with the five and five proposal? Meaning that the C of A
proposal asks for permission to replace five rounded top windows and five straight top windows
but all of your quotations show ten straight top windows and no quantity of radius top.
GE: They are four and six. But you are right that I have the drawings for the dining room, I did
not have time to prepare all the other because I was out of the country and I had to out of town
again. I have the measures here I can give you that, how it would look like. The basic problem is
what I mentioned before- that if we install zap pack windows as proposed by our Inspector, it
does not work. I can show you tomorrow because it is a square....
TK: I understand sir, and all that I'm asking you if you have any examples to look at for what
you've proposed to do for the arched top windows, and I see none.
GE: Um-hmm.
TK: So you intend to replace five arched top windows, but I don't have anything in my packet
suggesting that.
GE: Not in the packet.
TK: No illustration?
GE: Yes.
TK: Thank you.
LR Would it be possible, since this is such an important house, for the Commissioners to go to
the house as Joann did and look at this? She seems convinced that this should be approved, and I
would like to see it before we vote.
LP: We've done that before and we may end up doing it this time. Let me see what our other
comment is.
MJC: This replacement often windows will not replace all of the windows in the house? Do you
intend to do the rest of them at a later date?
GE: Well I will come back to your Commission for that.
MJC: Is your plan to eventually get the whole house....
GE: If I have the money and the time, and the permission from you, and the experience. One
important reason is the experience. I have lived in the housefor two years; it's taken two years
to find out how I can heat the house properly. So it's a very complicated system, and that's why I
am proposing only the most urgent windows because I want to test, to find out, if that really
works or not. If it does not work, I am the first who is unhappy. 1 mean, it must work And that's
why I am not proposing the full thing, I cannot do that. I don't have the experience and the
money and the time and the knowledge.
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LP: Thank you. Any other Commissioner comments or questions? Because I'd like to open this
to thepublic.
MC: I just don't feel personally that I have enough information about this, and the need for the
entire thing to be new windows right now. I didn't seethe house, I've driven past it, I haven't
seen it with anyone that could point out the features of it that make it impossible for you not to
redo the ones that are there. I'd like to know why that is, and I don't see it in this material.
LP: Anything further from the Commissioners? I'd like to open this to the public? I feel that
there are some people here that wish to speak on this. Am I correct in that? Please come up and
identify yourself into the microphone. I want to get all of the evidence before we make any
determination.
PH: My name is Paul Hayden and I work for Historic Landmarks Foundation of Indiana. I am
their Community Preservation Specialist. South Bend is made up of many fine historic
neighborhoods, but me personally, ever since I was this.high, Park Avenue and the Chapin Park
neighborhood was one of my favorites. I grew up with a good friend that lived near there and I
remember that house over that last 30-40 years. It's a very important house to our community in
a very important neighborhood. In our work, we encourage the preservation of these kinds of
landmarks, but also their parts and their pieces. It's more important as a whole than just say the
windows or the doors. I have not inspected the windows, I'd be curious to do that at some point,
having worked on four or five of my own old houses, I have yet to see any old windows that I
couldn't restore. They probably do exist out there, but I have restored some pretty awful wood
sashes. It appears to me that your guidelines do call for the retention of these important features
and material on this building, and I guess as a Commission I would encourage you to look very
strongly at staying with those guidelines and working with the homeowner to do something to
retain this historic part of the house, make it energy efficient and make sure that its guaranteed to
be around another hundred years.
LP: Thank you.
JD: My name is Joan Downs-Krostenko and I live at 849 Forest Avenue.
SY: My name is Susan Youens, and Ilive at 850 Forest Avenue.
JD: We represent the Chapin Park Historic neighborhood liaison committee. Last month I read
a letter, which I'm not going to repeat, but I am going to submit again, and before I have my
short comments, I have a question. Can I ask a question?
LP: Mm-hmm.
JD: The C ofA doesn't seem to askpermission to rehabilitate the existing windows; it only
explains why storm windows are not possible and why the new windows that would be purchased
would be good. And I was wondering why the actual complete physical restoration or rebuilding
of the existing windows been considered as an option? Because, as far as I could tell, that's
never been an option, and I was wondering if 1 just missed it. Ok, well I'll just read this briefly
Last month I read a statement regarding the petition to rehabilitate or re-do the windows in the
Anderson House at 710 Park Avenue in Chapin Park. Professor Youens and I are hereto
reiterate the opinion of the Chapin Park Historic District liaison committee that only the
rehabilitation of the windows in this important property should be allowed. The preservationist
community is increasingly against using historic properties using new windows as the materials
construction and dimensions of these features are rarely harmonious with the original structure
even when they are "custom " made. The singular features of the chapin house windows with
their rounded tops and large number of variations in size make custom fit hand made,
reconditioned windows the only sensitive and efficient method for improvement in preservation.
Thank you.
SY: I just wanted to add that I am in the midst of the process of having the beautiful old windows
on my home rehabbed by a marvelous firm that specializes in rehabbing old windows on historic
houses. I had one experience a number of years ago with one replacement window and I was
extraordinarily unhappy with it, and this reconditioning of the windows that came with my house
has been so much successful, such a happier experience, and so much better at heat retention,
that practically speaking its been the better option. So, I don't know if I could perhaps
recommend this same firm to you to take a look at, to take a look at the windows but I recommend
them very very highly.
GE: I invite everyone to come to my house and I will give everyone a guided tour that will show
everything.
LP: I think that we're moving in that direction.
GE: Yes, but I think that information about the windows in the dining room are on the table, and
to say that its not clear ... I do not share that, I respectfully disagree.
LP: I guess that you get to a certain point where the only way to know is just to go out and look
at it.
GE: Well, but you are specialists and you can read architectural drawings and they're on the:
table, and all three options are there with 15 drawings and one is the original situation, one is
the storm windows, and the replacement windows. I'd like to say something about the idea to
repair single glass windows as they are now. It is feasibly, technically not possible because my
windows are much bigger than Susan's windows. These are enormous windows, and it is not
feasible to place a second glass on that frame as Wayne Doolittle said last time. It's not possible
to repair, it's feasibly not possible. That is what I got from Wayne.
There are only three options, well... four, do nothing. Either repair the windows as they are,
keeping one glass, and then to have cold rooms in the house, or to put storm windows up so we
have two glasses, but that would be against the historic record of the house. Technically,
aesthetically, that is clear from the drawings, or to have those premier windows. And my
proposal ifyou think that the information for the arched windows, then I ask that you vote on the
proposal for the four dining room windows. With all the information necessary here on the table.
CH: I have a letter here from the former homeowner Amy Jones that I'd like to read. It's dated
October 6, 2006. Dear Members of the St. Joseph County Historic Preservation Commission, I am
writing as a former owner/custodian of the Anderson House — a local historic landmark home
located at 710 Park Avenue. It has come to my attention that a Certificate of Appropriateness
has been submitted for replacement ofseveral windows at the Anderson House. Igreatly
appreciate the financial commitment involved in order to properly maintain such a historic home.
Improving the energy effectiveness of an older home is certainly significant among the many
concerns homeowners face. However, I think such concerns can be effectively addressed while
balancing the historic integrity of the structure. An example of an unfortunate energy saving
measure was evident on the Anderson House for many years. At some point in the 1970's the
owner had sheet metal bolted to the arched tops of the windows squaring off the arch shape in
order to make the window openings adaptable to standard rectangular metal storm windows.
While the metal has since then been removed, it was most definitely a glimpse of what can happen
to a beautiful and unique feature of a historic home for the sake of energy efficiency. Local
Historic Landmark guidelines must certainly address such considerations as window
replacement. It is my hope that your commission will help Dr. Enderle find options, which are
both within the local landmark guidelines and effective means of making his home as energy
eff cient as possible. My Regards to Your Efforts, Amy M. Jones, formerly of 710 Park Avenue,
South Bend, Indiana.
LP: Thank you. Do we have ... the chair at this point will allow for any additional evidence
that anyone wishes to submit in this matter? Yes?
GE: /would like to make a short comment on the session last time. Our colleague
Joann (Joan Downs-Krostenko) read a well prepared statement, she was asked to do
that, she did not know what the statement actually said or what it was. It was ordered or
asked for by somebody else, so without knowing what that was, she made that
statement. What is this? I think that this is overstepping the line of good citizen
behavior. If ...and if there is, I mean organized by the staff or I don know who is
organizing that, but I think that those statements should at least be truthful.
LP: Thank you. [Inaudible] Sure, in the interest offull disclosure, then I'd like to...
JD: I think that you misunderstood what I said to you on the phone after that meeting. I was
informed that there was an issue on the table, but I didn't have access to your C ofA. So, I was
told briefly what the issue was and did I have a concern? Which I did. So I prepared my
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statement as best I could based on the information that I had, but I mean ... I still, I have never
actually had any of the information in my hand that the commissioners have, so I'm at a bit more
of a loss and more ignorant, but I have said, still don't quite understand your conundrum
entirely. Maybe because I haven't looked at your house, but I don't understand why you can't
rebuild wooden windows. Make them more efficient so that they aren't gapping and make them
efficient. I understand why you can't have storms and all of that, I understand that. I don't
understand why you can't have reconditioned windows why you have to buy new metal clad
windows. Apropos of that statement, that's my job, to be told when there's an issue our
neighborhood. To be told when there is an issue coming up ... although I don't have access to the
C of A, I'm to know when something is coming up. I find out through my own sources what the
issue is, and then I'm asked to make a statement. Ifeel like my statement from last time was
accurate although I didn't have access to your C of A.
[Inaudible comment from homeowner]
LP: She does not make the judgment, the Commission makes the judgment.
SP: As a point of order the letter that was written last time is not part of the record, well, its part
of the record for this proceeding, but any items last time are not part of this,.so ... it's moot.
LP: It is moot. I'd like to recognize Wayne because he'd like to speak but I didn't see his signal.
WD: A little bit of history. Storm windows came into vogue in the 1860's,
SP: Wayne, I don't think that you're on the mike for the purposes of recording, you may want to
come to the podium, if not...
WD: Ok, there we go. Originally, storm windows came into vogue in the 1860's. So, it's very
possible that it could have had storm windows. The Anderson's were very wealthy people, and
they could certainly afford that. Beyond that, the house had shutters on it, all the way around. If
it is able to accommodate shutters, it will certainly accommodate storm windows. As far as size
goes, the Commission as well as HLFI sponsored a workshop on windows. We worked on the
windows in an old synagogue which is on William Street, and I think that those windows are
probably 12 or 13 feet high, with two very large sashes. They came out, were put back in, and
they are sealed. Size really isn't a concern. It can be handled.
JS: May I respond to that? In this case, if you will just simply look at the picture you can see that
because of the trim, the classical pilasters, and the capitals on top, and the way the windows set
in, and if you look at the scale drawings of this ... you can see that storm windows were never a
Part of this. And, they couldn't be apart of this, and they still can't be apart of this particularly
set of windows. There is no place to set a storm window either on the inset part of the, where
most storm windows are installed, and the double hungs behind that. The only track that's in
here has the windows in it. So, storm windows would have to be placed on the trim. In this case
the trim also involves a pilaster right [gesturing to photos) right there, and there, and there,
which comes right to the edge of the trim, therefore leaving no place to put the storm windows.
What Mr. Enderle was trying to say is that it never had any, it might have had, as Wayne says,
historically, been used but apparently not on this house. I think that we need to stick to the
reality in this case. Size, in many cases, may not be important, but in this particular case, the
tallness of these windows and the narrowness of the depth of the wood work in which the current
single pane ofglass is put, and I measured it myself with measuring tape. The distance from the
edge of the glass to the frame is not sufficiently large enough to put anything but a single pane of
glass Single panes of glass are not energy efficient under any circumstances. And even if the
windows were taken out and rebuilt, which the contractor is willing to do, it would be hard to
make them fit because some of the glass has slid out of the frame, and the frame itself doesn't fit
in the opening anymore. Rebuilding all of that is possible, but it doesn't answer the energy
eff ciency need, because there's no room in that particular frame to put the insulated glass. The
insulated glass is this thick; there isn't that much space to set it on. I'm sorry that I'm so
difficult...
LP: It's ok, I can understand you. I've been informed that a Commissioner has a statement
regarding this that he'd like to read. The chair recognized Tim Klusczinski.
TK: "In my opinion, the Guidelines and Standards for both our Local Landmarks and the Chapin
Park District aim to promote the retention and rehabilitation of original architectural amenities
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and structural features. Exceptions to this community covenant must be objectively justified and
ordered by this commission when that prime directive is not feasible. Feasible implies cost-
effective, affordable — rather than a preference for new options and conveniences. In that vein I
believe it is the duty of the petitioner to prove that restoration is not a feasible alternative-while it
is our duty to make an informed and objective decision. Remember that exceptions to standards
are universally expected. From page 82 of the Chapin Park Guidebook: "In making its
determination, the Historic Preservation Commission shall consider three factors:... first, the
appropriateness of the proposed work to the preservation of the building and district, second, the
detriment to the public welfare if the proposed work is permitted even though it is not deemed
appropriate third, the potential hardship that the denial of the Certificate of Appropriateness .
would cause the applicant. " For the past few years this Commission has been a partner with
Historic Landmarks of Indiana and its former Community Preservation Specialist, Bob Yapp.
From this relationship, we've endorsed a philosophy to educate the public in restoration
techniques while promoting this initiative as a cost-effective strategy. Windows have been a key
topic of discussion with a clear emphasis toward restoration. I am aligned with that approach
and 1 pray that this commission also supports it. " Thank you.
LP: Thank you.
JS: May I respond to that? Because the standards as written are extremely inconsistent. And it
depends who makes the interpretations. It says inappropriate new windows and door feature,
such as. metal, vinyl, fiberglass, awnings, hoods or aluminum insulating glass combinations that
require removal of original windows and doors shall not be installed. If this actually means what
it appears to say, that insulated glass is never going to be allowed in restored windows if in fact
that is what is meant by this bit of confusion because later on, it says if you decide that it's
beyond repair, it can be used so there is a confusion in the standards which is not very clear. If
you ... I'm kind of addressing this to you Shawn, if you'd sort that out, because the standards are
not consistent, and I said that when we were reviewing these standards, and I underlined them
and they never got fixed. And so I'm reiterating that because now we're bunched into this thing
because it says IF new sashes are installed, original materials should be used. Sashes are not, if
they're going to be new, they're not the original. It doesn't make any sense.
MC: That's a paraphrase.
JS: Well, if it's a paraphrase, it shouldn't be in here, it should be quoted exactly. The whole
statement...
LP: I think that we're at the point where we're parsing the words about the standards... Wayne?
WD: I'd like to give a little education to the members of the Commission. Insulated glass .... glass
is a terrible insulator. It is the distance between two pieces ofglass that will give you the
insulated value.
JS: Exactly.
WD: The further apart those two pieces of glass are the better insulation factor comes into play.
The other real difficulty that I have with the double paned window is that many of them lose their
gas and when they do that, they leak. Then moisture comes in. You can talk to almost anybody
that's had replacement windows, and that's something that's happened to many, many people.
You then have to replace the entire piece of glass.
JS: That's right.
WD: You've got to replace it. So, that's uh, a little window stuff.
CH: I have to concur with Wayne on this because I was at the Center for History, I'm on their
finance committee, and they had to completely replace all of those windows in the Carriage
House restoration that were not, that were probably put in, brand new, insulated glass, not more
than IS years, maybe not even 12 years ago. At a cost of $10,000, they had to re-replace them.
New windows.
LP: I know what you're talking about, we replaced all the windows in our house, my mom and
dad's house, the new people. We replaced them again; they didn't last even 10 years. Did you
have a motion that you wish to make about this because it seems that we still have questions.
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SP: The question was brought up by Linda regarding inspection. As a Commission you're
allowed to inspect a property without having an open door law meeting. You can do an on-site
inspection as others have done in the past.
LP: I think that's the direction that we're moving in.
TK But not all at the same time?
SP: No, you can all do it at the same time, and have an on-site inspection; I think that what I
would caution is to refrain from deliberation or discussion if you will, on the actual matter. It's
more of a fact-finding, investigative procedure. Then at the next meeting you would come in and
report your findings either individually or as a group. The findings that you, whoever went out
there made, and they can provide additional information on what the actual status is.
TK: Procedurally if I may, if we're moving in that direction, does it make sense to either deal
with this particular C of A at this time, and maybe defer to a committee for that review, or are we
reviewing it under the pretense of only the replacement option, and not restoration to those same
windows?
SP: You have a particular Certificate of Appropriateness in front of you and that is what you are
called to act upon. You may table that, and provide for this investigation if that is going to help
you advice or form your decision on this C of A. And so, an example would be that you believe it
could be restored you could then provide that information as a rationale for not believing that
under the guidelines that you should approve it. If it provides you the ability to do that, you have
45 days to act on or deny on this particular C of A, unless the owner consents to amending it or
extending the time line. Does that make sense?
TK: So, essentially it would still be a live motion, or a live certificate?
SP: Yes. You could table it, or the other option would be that you could send it to a committee to
consider it. You all could do the investigation, and then the committee could hold a meeting and
prepare a report that it could adopt detailing its findings and then bring that back to the
Commission with a finding. So, you have those two options... one, send it to a committee to
investigate and bring back findings or table it, allow all of you an opportunity to go there and
then come back and resume deliberation on this particular certificate of appropriateness.
LP: Would it be appropriate for the committee of the whole go out there? We have a standards
and maintenance committee, with several members, though everyone on the Commission seems to
have questions about these windows.
SP: Madam President, you could advise the Commission either or. You could invite or delegate
it to the committee to meet and do it, and apprise everyone of the time that they're going to be
doing it, during the midst of the next month go out individually and review it if you would like. If
you do a committee it allows them to be able to meet and make findings, and make a report to
bring back. Otherwise it's just individuals coming back with their own impressions, and then
deliberate under these same procedures at the next meeting.
LP: My question is if we have the committee of the whole go out there and they were able to come
to a determination of the best course would be able to vote then so he could get to work on it?
SP: No. You cannot take action- you can fact find and have each individual member comeback
and report their impressions of the situation. Then, at that point, make your discussion and final
action on it. So the committee option would allow them to meet in a special meeting before you
come back for the report. It's a little more streamlined, then scheduling maybe everyone then
prior to the next meeting.
MC: Until recently, that's exactly what we've done for over twenty years. The standards and
maintenance committee is called on whenever there is a problem like this, and we handled it very
well. We didn't vote on it, but we gave our opinions. Joann has been always on that committee
and we've used her skills to determine things. I was amazed when I came in tonight, I've been
the chairman of that committee for a long time, and we've gone to endless houses and helped
them to decide what they should do and what would be best for the home. I don't think that we've
been called for the last year I believe.
LP: We went out a couple of times this summer on things.
MC: Beg your pardon?
LP: We went out this summer on several issues. 1 don't know if you were in town.
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MC: Evidently, I didn't know about it. I haven't been out. But, I thought tonight that I would be
hearing something about interior storm windows, Marvin window company- when we were
working on Central High School here, told everybody that they wanted to take every window out
of that building. There were 104 windows, and they said that they were all no good, that they
couldn't do anything. Then, Marvin came in and examined them and said that only two needed
replaced, and they put storm windows on the inside of those windows and they've worked just fine
ever since. The people that live there are having no problems with them.
AH: No, we are not.
MC: That's right. And they never have. And, they're less bother, and less expensive.
LP: We have another comment from Tim.
TK: I move to table application #2006-1005A for review by the committee of the whole for report
or recommendation before our next monthly meeting.
LR Second.
LP: All in favor? (Ayes are heard) Opposed? (Silence) Motion carries.
SP: Hold on one second. Legal counsel and HIPC Director are conferring on date of C of A and
its viability for 45 days.
TK: Am I to understand that the 45 day clock starts ticking even before this commission can
review the C ofA?
SP: That's what we're looking at right now. It appears that it was submitted on the fifth, and our
next meeting is on the twentieth- exactly 45 days. So I guess that out of ambiguity that he's
signed this waiver that he's allowed us the additional time to consider it, the homeowner is
willing to do that?
GE: As I said you are cordially invited to come. Everybody. In group, or individually that's fine.
Ifl am town, I'll be happy to show you not only those windows, but the whole house. There are
54 windows and if you can help me...
LP: We want to help you...
GE: I'm more than happy to. But about those four windows in the dining room. I organized a
specialist to prepare those drawings, you have all of the information on the table. You have the
opinion of the specialist. I'd like to ask you to make a decision on those four windows, and the
rest we can postpone for the future.
TK: We've already tabled.
LP: We've tabled so that we can come out and look at them. We owe it to you, and to the
standards that we do come and see because I could look at a drawing and to me it's not clear in
my head, and I know that several other commissioners have problems with it. If we vote now, it
will most likely be negative.
GE: Well, then its negative. I would like to have a vote about those four windows in the dining
room.
SP: A point of order ... a motions already been had, and has been accepted and therefore it has
been tabled. Under the guidelines, you have 45 days, and if you meet on and act on the 2e (of
November) you'll be on the 45`h day.
LP: We could also with proper notice, have a special meeting just to consider this as well.
SP: So I guess the question for the petitioner is if the ... if you would be willing to sign a waiver to
wait until the next meeting on this..
GE: On what?
SP: On your entire certificate. If not, they're really not obligated to do it anyway, so it's kind of
a moot point. I guess would you allow them to visit your house and inspect it, and would you be
agreeable to them visiting to take a look at it?
GE: So it's not possible to vote on those four windows?
SP: It's possible, but they've already tabled it.
GE: But they didn't have my information, my wish.
SP: They don't need it technically, because under law they have 45 days to act. So the question
is if you'll let them enter your house to look at and review the situation so that they can make an
informed decision.
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GE: And then the Commission is reimbursing the cost of those drawings? I have already
spent ... I put a lot of money in preparing this session tonight. And everything is on the table. And
you are specialists and yet you can't make a decision, I don't understand that. I am willing to
discuss about fifty other windows in my house, but those four are so clear ... and they don't need
any explanation anymore.
SP: I guess the question is if you're willing to allow the commission to come to your house to do
additional fact finding.
GE: Of course.
SP: Ok
LP: Please be patient with us, we are working for you and to balance preservation standards .
with your wishes. I promise that we will get to your house. We'll communicate with Catherine,
and find out also what your schedule is, when your next trip is planned. He said several weeks,
but I plan on ... unless you're going out of the country ... Iplan on coming out to your house as
soon as possible. And I think that the rest of the commission does also.
GE: Why is it not possible to make a decision on those four windows?
TK: It's a procedure issue, with all due respect, Mr. Enderle. Four windows were not proposed
on this Certificate of Appropriateness. So you can't change it, once It's been tabled, as a ten
window proposal. Does that answer your question?
GE: [unintelligible]
JS: Can we meet as soon as the end of this week, is that a possibility?
LP: It's a possibilityfor me.
GE: It is not a possibilityfor me, I have two seminars.
LP: Would you be able to tonight before you leave to advise Catherine of your schedule for the
next two weeks, and the tomorrow the commissioners can communicate with her, we can set up a
time so you know when we're coming out?
GE: Yeah.
LP: I'm sorry?
GE: Yes.
LP:. Thank you. That's what we're going to do. If you want to talk to him right now, we can take
a brief break. Do I need to make a motion for that Shawn?
SP: Just leave it running.
CH: Mr. Enderle is available between 2-5pm on Saturday, and if you all want to go over as a
group ... I think that this shows that we get the packets out to each commissioner at least a
week ... you should be going out, and if you have questions, and you don't understand, and staff
can't answer your questions ... I encourage you to go out and visit the sites, that's why you have
these in advance.
LP: Yes, Joann did, and thank you. What is wrong with meeting between 2-5 on Saturday?
Other than a football game?
CH: Nothing. That's the only time that he gave us because he has seminars other than on
Saturday between 2 and S.
MC: We ought to accommodate him.
SP: The other option, and I don't know if we're back live or not, the other option is that you
could set to reconvene this meeting at that time, at that place to make -a decision if you'd like. -------- -- -- — ----
--That's the option to calling a special meeting. You can reconvene this meeting for the limited
purpose of considering that certificate of appropriateness.
LP: Oh, Ilike that.
SP: The question is if you'd think that it would be ready for that, or if you think that you might
want to go ahead and schedule to reconvene this meeting that following Monday or however else.
So that's also a possibility.
LR: Ifyou have a quorum...
LP: I'd like a show of hands, how many would be able to be out there between 2 and S? That's a
quorum.
CH: Todd might be able to be there too.
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LP: If we reconvene the meeting at that point, can we still go through our whole meeting here?
We can go through our other business?
TK: Yes, that motion is tabled, so that we be our only unfinished business.
SP: What you'd do is finish this agenda here, and then reconvene with only the purpose of that
one certificate of appropriateness. On that, it would still be a meeting, and I'd have to check on
whether that would have to reconvene here, or if it could be at a d fferent place. I'd have to
check on that, I don't know that answer. I think that you can beat a differentplace, but it has to
be a public meeting. But my caution would be that it won't be on the record though, so if you're
actually making findings and then... it may be difficult to have all of the stuff out there. I'd
almost recommend that you come back here and decide that afternoon if that's what you want..
JS: It might also be easier to just call another meeting, instead of being restricted to reconvene
the meeting. Therefore it will have all of the accoutrements of the proper minutes, etc.
CH: We can bring a portable tape recorder.
LP: What if we bring a portable tape recorder, Shawn?
TK: Can we reconvene at the HPC Off ce? If we provide notification and do it right there at the
conference table?
SP: Yes, you could. If you wanted to do it at 5:00 on Saturday at the HPC Conference Room, you
could reconvene for that.
MC: That would work for me because of the Notre Dame traffic on my street. We can't go in or
go out or anything without a special pass.
LP: I'd rather not spend all day on this though.
JS: How can you reconvene in a non-public place for a public meeting?
SP: It would be a public place. The conference room there... the office would just have to be
unlocked to ensure that they could get there.
LP: Do we have to advertise it?
SP: You could post it on the door, but I don't think that you have to readvertise it in the sense
that, you have to send it to the Tribune and all that. I would say though that the petitioner should
be able to be there, and if this works for this guy, maybe it's the best thing for it. I don't know,
I'm just throwing it out there as a possibility. Maybe it would make more sense to find another
time have a special meeting the following week, to do it that way.
MC: I'd also like to ask at this time to askfor whatever you can get from Joann to us before
Saturday, just a page maybe of what she was truly pointing out. Her thoughts that would never
show up on this thing, and we ought to give that a reading before we meet together. It was
unfortunate that I could only understand very little of it all. I think that we all ought to have a
copy of it.
LP: 1'd also like to ask the commissioners if they prefer to convene on Saturday at the HPC
off ce, or would they prefer another time the following week?
MJC: Well, if Professor Enderle were to be there it would have to be Saturday, if we met any
other time, he couldn't be there. So, is it important that he be there.
LP: Ok. That's what we'll do then. Moving right along to the next item of business.
Moved: Klusczinski Second: Riley Vote: 7-0
B. LANDMARKS
1. 853 Forest - Second Reading
CH: We tabled last week, last month, excuse me, 853 Forests' request for landmark status. We
were instructed to get a copy of the abstract of the property, which is here. In summary of all of
the salient points, there's nothing other than genealogy, some lawsuits and will in this abstract.
The one thing that does mention the house is in note number 38 of the abstract, dated September
4, 1890. which basically says that 'this deed is made on the express condition that the grantee, his
heirs and assigned shall construct a good and substantial dwelling house on said lot to cost not
less than $850.00 within three years of date hereof and shall maintain forever a good and
substantial fence against the west end of said lot. Further, any and all outbuildings erected on
this lot shall be within 25 yards of the west line of said lot.' And that's basically all of the
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information that we have concerning this house, which is considered a stick style, gabled ell,
cross plan, and its rated Significant 11. It was built in 1892.
LP: And does this satisfy people's request for more information' on this, I would hope.
CH: Well, that's ail we have. We don't have an architect of record on this particular property.
LP: 0k, We don't need to take any action on this do we?
CH: This is the second reading. Unless you wanted to table it until November again.
LP: No, I'd like to consider this the second reading.
CH: Ok; so we'll put it on the agenda for next month for the third and final reading, then ask the
commissioners for a favorable or unfavorable recommendation to the Common Council.
C. NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION
None on the agenda.
III. REGULAR BUSINESS
A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
September 18, 2006
LP: I have a comment about the minutes. The comment was made to me that, I think that it was
[Councilman] .Rouse that said that when they read our minutes its difficult to follow with the
names abbreviated, its hard for them to know who's talking.. I know it makes it easier to do.
MJQ Should we just use last names?
AH: Whatever they've indicated to you to be their preference, I'll happily do.
JS: Ilike the initials myself.
SP: I think again if its going to the Council if it's a situation where a denial is being appealed, it
would be a special thing when its made, using last names, you wouldn't have to do it for all of
them.
LP: So you're sayingjust when we've denied something?
SP: If its something that we're submitting them for their approval, we can make the changes to
include last names far that section only, if that's the preference that they desire. That way you're
not doing it for every single thing at every meeting.
LP: That would be a good compromise.
AH: Whatever you decide.
LP: We really don't have to do anything, but they say that they find it harder to follow what is
going on with just initials. But, I think that he's got a good point about denials.
AH: Qk, I think that I already, I mean if someone abstains or votes against something then I note
that name.
TK: Did this have something to do with our resolution from last time?
SP: I don't know.
LP: No, this is concerning another matter. Alright, I'd like a motion on the minutes.
MC: I move that the minutes from the September 18, 2006 meeting be approved as written.
TK: Second.
LP: All in favor? (Ayes heard) All opposed?
LR: I abstain I wasn't here.
--Motion carries. - -- - -- --" - - --" -- - --
Moved: Choitz Second: Ktucszinski " Vote: 6-0
Abstention: Riley
1. Treasurer's Report
TK: We have one, and I have a question regarding our candy sales do we have a tally of sales
yet, and what line item does that appear on?
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CH: It is not on this budget yet.
TK: Ok.
CH: They were submitted on the first week in October, I believe that we have sold, to date, about
34 bags, and all of the money has been turned in, except for the monies that have been collected
since October S, 2006.
TK: Thankyou.
2. President's Report
LP: I have been communicating with people about our advisory committee, and everyone was in
favor of moving ahead and contacting these people. With two exceptions, for various reasons,
and Shawn I'm not sure how to handle this, I don't want that to be public record. None of these
people have been contacted. Several people had an issue with a couple ofpeople on here, how
can I handle that without putting on public record that they've been basically delisted. These
were just suggestions, and different people have different knowledge.
SP: I think that you... well, just say that they don't have a favorable recommendation. I'm not
sure what the exactly what procedures are for nominations for the overall record. You can have
one list that you can 'x' off, but I'm not sure if we're past that point yet.
LP: This is still considered a draft, so what I'd like to do is just revise it, and take off a couple
names who are either not interested or have received unfavorable recognition.
SP: You can do that, if it's a problem, I'll let you know.
LP: Ok, that's what I'd like to do.
MJC: Between us, can we bring names. We do have an arborist in the city that we may want to
include. A mason of some repute, someone with good plumbing knowledge, a historical, a roofer
and a landscaper, if we can include those people.
LP: I want to make this clear, I think that's great, after I do some editing on this one, we start
draft two.
MJC: And we have 13 architects.
LP: Yeah, we're heavy on the architects, but that's not to say that they're all going to want to
participate.
MJC: A mason, a roofer, a plumber and landscaper, if we could concentrate on those skills...
LP: Ok, I'm still accepting comments. I'll get with Catherine, and people that want to submit
additional names can, I have an additional name, I just haven't gotten all of my information
together. We'll start a second draft, so that this can get done and not keep morphing. Any other
committee reports? Seeing none .... staff reports?
C. STAFF REPORTS
Director's Report — Catherine Hostetler
Distributed to Commissioners.
Assistant Director's Report — Amy Herdman
Distributed to Commissioners.
Legal Report — Shawn Peterson
SP: Nothing to report. Except that officially they have withdrawn the appeal for the
Gatehouse, although the papers knew that before any of the attorneys did.
IV. OLD BUSINESS
TK: A few months ago, I suggested that we have an opportunity to review our ordinance, and I
left it pending the President's assignment for committee members for that particular purpose. I
didn't know if you had an idea.
LP: I thought that I had assigned it to you and Todd.
TK: Very good.
LP: In fact I've been waiting for your report. I thought that I had assigned it to you two.
TK: I may have been absent, but I'll get right on it.
LP: I think that we're ready for the hearing of visitors and adjournment.
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SP: I'm sorry but if you're going to reconvene, you can't adjourn.
LP: Hearing of visitors then...
JS: We haven't done new business, and I have two items that I want to discuss.
V. NEW BUSINESS
JS: I have two requests of somebody. The Medow building, and the candy store, which are
owned by the Presbyterian Church, can I have whatever information we have about those
buildings and the making of landmarks. When they were made landmarks, and what the
landmark status implies for those buildings.
AH: I'd be happy to prepare that for you.
CH: I know the Fredrickson candy store is, but I don't think that the Medow building is a
landmark...
JS: It is, it was the first Ford dealership, and because of the terra cotta trim on the front of the
building it was made a landmark, it was kind of a unique thing. It's not being looked after
properly in my opinion, and it should be brought to someone's attention.
CH: You're a member of the parish.
JS: Absolutely, and I have suggested that they ought to be doing something, and they just keep
thinking that its just going to fall down on its own accord, and I tell them that they can't do that.
AH: I'll double check.
JS: The second thing that I'd like. I have been reading that there is some new regulations about
easements, and we have a couple of easements, and I was wondering if you have some new
information about what the new regulations were, and if they'll impact anything that we have
anything on.
SP: Do you know which body adopted those regulations?
JS: No, I read about it in one of the other organizations that I belong to, relative to scenic
easements and farm easements, but its all under that same federal legislation.
LP: Any other new business?
CH: Also under new business, the conservatories and greenhouses, we had a meeting this
afternoon, at 5:15 with the parks board, and the mayor was there, and about 50 other people
were there, Don was there. And the citizens of South Bend have come up with some very very
positive ways of approaching how to save these structures including the Botanical Society of
South Bend, I'll give you their card, and they also have a website. They're talking about a
capital campaign and things that would generate... to raise about $4million, and then that money
would be used to generate the operating expenses of the conservatories of about $200, 000 a year.
And also establishing a non -reverting fund out of their gate take, or their rental fees. Similar to
what the Palais Royale is doing. The Botanical Society wants to start a 501 c3, we do not know
at this point what's going to happen on December 31"' at the stroke of midnight because Common
Council did pass the 2007 budget without the greenhouses in there. They could turn off the heat,
they could lock the doors and walk away from it, I'm hoping not, but no one actually came out
and said what will happen on December 31"t, and that has a lot of people concerned. We've only
known about this for 40 days, and have been working on it day and night with people in South
Bend, River Park, Friends of the Greenhouse... it's a very important issue and we'll do whatever
we can to help the citizens of South Bend to retain these greenhouses and conservatories.
MJC: What was the attitude of the Park Department? - - --- —
CH: The attitude of the Park Department and Board, a four member board appointed by the
mayor was that they wanted to hear positives, and want to find a way around it, and how to do
it ... somethingfeasible. They didn't want to sit there and be beaten up, but to hear positives. I
don't think that the feeling that you get from them is that they don't want to be castigated as the
bad guys that killed the greenhouses and murdered the plants.
MJC: Well then they got what they asked for...
CH: They've got a lot, Jean DeWinter, and Susan Keims... have been working around the clock;
as has Jan Michalski and a lot of other people from that neighborhood.
MJC: A number ofpeople have told me that if they need a petition...
CH: They're going to start needing volunteers, and people with checkbooks.
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VI. HEARING OF VISITORS
Don Sporleder: Informed Commissioners that the AIA of Northern Indiana would be having a
design charette at the new fire station on S. Michigan Street to help vision facilities within the
East Lincolnway NR District. The group may find use for the Burke Building on November 11th.
All Commissioners are invited to participate.
SP: A motion was made to table the Cert ficate of Appropriateness until after the investigation of
the premises by the Commission members. That investigation is being set for 2pm on October 21,
2006, this coming Saturday at the house. After that, at 3: 30pm, you'll need to reconvene the
meeting until Saturday, October 21'; at the office of the Historic Preservation Commission.
LP: That sounds good. I'd like a motion.
M- I'll make that motion.
SP: You need a second.
MJC: Second.
LP: All in favor? (Ayes heard)
Attest:
Mary Jane Chase Date
Secretary
Historic Preservation Commission
Of South Bend and St. Joseph County
Lynn Patrick: This is a reconvening of our Octoberl6,2006. Today's date is October
21, 2006. We again speak to Certificate of Appropriateness 2006-1005A.
We will do a roll call: Lynn Patrick, present, Martha Choitz, present, Tim Klusczinski,
present, Catherine Hostetler, present, Joann Sporleder, present, Shawn Peterson, present.
We also have the homeowner present. Please state your name. Georges Enderle, present.
We also have from the neighborhood....Susan Youens.
Lynn Patrick: We have just returned from looking at the property; and I have left my
little guidebook on Robert's Rules of Order out in the car. I will return to the format that
we usually follow which is letting the homeowner make any additional comments which.
I think by the very nature of this meeting will be very brief.
Georges Enderle: Yes, It will. Well, Ijust want to say that I appreciate that you took so
much time to come and to see my house and have a first look at the problems.
Lynn Patrick: Thank you. Now do the Commissioners wish to speak who have been
looking at it just now?
Shawn Peterson: Now I think what would be good would be to go around and do a
summary. of what said, the discussion. We would move actually to the discussion
portion. We have already accomplished the public hearing and the presentation. We're
considering the additional evidence; we'll have discussion of additional evidence and we
can proceed as far as action.
Lynn Patrick: Great. Then I will turn over the discussion portion at least at this juncture
to Tim who has spent a lot more time looking at the window, measuring and who was at
the house just recently.
Tim Klusczinski: I think that it would be important to make the distinction that this
particular C of A discusses ten windows and we spent quite a bit of time on four of them
in the bay window area. Upon inspection and in your company I wanted to point out that
of the illustrations that Professor Enderle submitted, they basically on discuss one -
window example's dimensions. That is important so that we don't understand that we are
looking at a number of different windows. Wayne and I took all of the diagrams and
broke them down under the classification to view them in. Professor Enderle submitted
five drawings that depict the existing windows under the current conditions, five
drawings that modify the existing window openings with storm window that had been
-drawn in; and -finally five drawings that suggest that the replacement openings, or rough -
openings for that particular window, have the Jeld Wen solution installed. A few
problems that I was able to pick out at the site with reference to the example that was
submitted and the dimensions that relate to the particular openings that we were looking
at. The sill nose here on the existing window print only calls for a width of 7/8 of an inch
and we did find at the site that it was approximately two inches which could impose a
different perspective to the reveal and the shadow line for this example. So that should be
modified, since the diagram for the existing conditions does not make us aware of that.
Other consideration should also be given to the fact that a correct profile of the existing
:sill is pointed out but the Jeld Wen solution imposes a different shape, cross section for
,its sill. It attempts to match a 1 7/8s nose to something that was two inches, which
however was 7/8s on the original illustration; however the shape is significantly different
when seen from the side. A large difference that in the existing condition established by
the photograph of 710 Park Ave dated October 6, 2006 I want to point out that the
existing windows have an extended sill, that I want to call "sill ears", on each side of the
window sash line. That's this little area right here, probably a couple of inches on each
side. The Jeld Wen solution does not impose that change and are cut off flush with the
jamb, flush with the side jambs so it remains to be seen how that particular feature would
be reconciled with the existing conditions since the Jeld Wen solution also proposes an
aluminum cladding. So if that was to be amended I don't know if that the solution
presented to us calls for that. The site investigation called into question my assessment of
windows bearing a 4 9/16 jamb width would fit into the existing opening that seem to be
6 3/4 inches. So therefore, it should be noted that they can be modified; but it would
involve jamb extensions, fabricated and installed on the inner surface of the jambs as they
would come in from Jeld Wen and a stool extension would have to be amended also to
bring it in to the living area. I would be happy to take anyone's questions as I thumb
through my notes. Professor Enderle did establish that the very long window that is also
in view from the bay window interior zone is not called for replacement at this point and
should be noted. That's all I have, without any questions.
Lynn Patrick: Okay. Shawn I am not sure how to proceed from this point.
Shawn Peterson: I guess there are other individuals who inspected the property. Were
there any other findings based on that they would like to add to the record for discussion
or.
Tim Klusczinski: There is an incidental finding that being that there were 10 windows
called for in the C of A, 4 of those ten are straight top windows and 6 of them existing
upstairs in Professor Enderle's house are arch top. There is no drawing here in the C of A
submission that remedies, or I guess conveys, some replacement that he intends for the
arch top windows.
Joann Sporleder: So, in that regard may I suggest with Counsel's approval that we
separate this application into two parts: one concerning the four windows and the other
concerning the six arched windows on the second floor.
- -- -Shawn Peterson: It has been suggested -that this application be dissected to include, to
consider only the four windows, and then the remaining six at a different time. That
approval would have to be, actually, from the applicant himself amending his C of A to
offer only the four this time and to withdraw as to the ten, or the other six, I apologize,
and that is something that the applicant would have to do, and so, if your desire that, we
can pose that to the applicant.
Georges Enderle: Well that is something that I can do immediately.
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Shawn Peterson: So you would propose to dissect and actually and actually seek
approval for the four windows...
Georges Enderle: Yes
Shawn Peterson: and the remaining six you would withdraw for as to...
Georges Enderle: For further study, yes
Shawn Peterson: ... for further study. I guess a motion should be to accept the amended
application and to consider then the four versus the six.
Joann Sporleder: I so move.
Catherine Hostetler: Ok, Joann has moved. Do we have a Second?
Shawn Peterson: A motion has been made. Is there a Second? Motion dies for fail of a
Second. The application currently in front of this Board is for the ten. They have not
accepted the second application. Therefore you would have to submit a new application
for only the four, if you so desire, to be considered at the next meeting. The only way for
them to consider it in due course would have been to accept the amended application and
they have not done so. So, that is the rules' procedure for it, it would have to be
submitted and then considered at the next meeting. The deadline, I believe for a new
Certificate of Appropriateness would be at the November...
Catherine Hostetler: ...November, I don't have a calendar... November 8.
Shawn Peterson: November 8.
Georges Enderle: One or two proposals?
Shawn Peterson: Yes, one proposal for just the four...
Georges Enderle: One for Four and One for Six...
Shawn Peterson: Yes, the one for six you would have to submit at that time and separate
them or you could do the six for a subsequent meeting_
Georges Enderle: Yes
Shawn Peterson: You can dissect those out...
Georges Enderle: November 6?....
Catherine Hostetler: November 8
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Shawn Peterson: November 8. It has to be to the commission by November 8 for the
November meeting.
Georges Enderle: The form, the same form that I filled out for the last time and the
previous time?
Shawn Peterson: Right. Currently the original Certificate of Appropriateness is the one
submitted for the last meeting is the one before this Commission is still being considered.
Then having that motion failed, the point would be at this point to either look for
additional discussion... is there any additional discussion that the Commission wishes to
have regarding this Certificate of Appropriateness?
Joann Sporleder: I would like to ask for further clarification if Professor Enderle wants
to withdraw the whole thing, can he do that at this time?
Shawn Peterson: Yes. You may withdraw your entire certificate of appropriateness at
this time, if you'd like to -if not, they would continue to act upon it. And they must act
upon it within 45 days. If they deny it here, then you would have the right to appeal that
denial irrespective of whether or not you've submitted another certificate of
appropriateness. So you may withdraw it and in that way they won't deny it or you may
allow them to consider it, allow them to approve it or deny it; and then, of course if it's
approved you can continue and if its denied you have the opportunity to appeal that then
within thirty days to the Common Council.
Georges Enderle: And to withdraw, I would have forty-five days...
Shawn Peterson: If you withdraw it, you would just submit your new one at the, for the
November meeting. So you can withdraw it completely or you can have them continue to
consider the one that is current for all ten of the windows and knowing that number one:
they will either approve it or they would have to deny it within forty five days. So you
would have one or the other, and if it were denied then you would have to opportunity to
appeal, if it's approved, obviously, then you have the ability to move forward.
Georges Enderle: In other words I have some time, some days, to think about it.
Shawn Peterson: No, they can act right now. If they approve it right now, you know
they can do it; or they can deny it riot now. I guess that your suggestion, the point is,
you have the opportunity to let them continue on it or just remove it all together to
prevent them from denying it, if you so desire.
Tim Klusczinski: I have a question. If Professor Enderle withdraws his proposal,
potentially would that put into question any findings that we had concerning this same
issue for the next time around and would that mandate that we would have to make
another trip to his premises to investigate and do an inside inspection, or on-site
inspection?
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Shawn Peterson: No. You would not do another on site inspection. You would just re-
enter in the same evidence as you had again. You can do that at the next meeting, saying
that you have inspected these same windows this is the condition and, or, ask if any
conditions have changed from when you originally inspected it. So, obviously one month
from now there's no real difference. If you waited six months, you may want to
reconsider whether you want to go out there. You don't have to go out at all to do this
inspection, but you did anyway, and you can re-enter that evidence at the next
opportunity.
Martha Choitz: It's my been my feeling and it hasn't changed much that from the day
that I read the first COA that there wasn't much thought given to the historic problem
we've got here, we don't like historic problems, we like to solve them and get them out
of the way. But there has been very little talk about saving the material of the house and
because it was built by a number of people working on it some of the windows are not
like the other windows and that's part of the house. That is the way it should be. And the
fact that we are not looking into that aspect of it, I think is a very wrong-headed idea.
That isn't what we are here for. We are to keep the material of that house as true to its
original way of being and certainly most of the things that we saw were because there
were actual people working those windows and at different times and they don't all work
the same way. And they'll always be differences in them and that is what makes them
more intriguing to more people. When we begin to lose that, and I am talking about the
Commission as a whole, in all of St. Joe County going like that, there won't be the
interest in these places anymore, because they will have been tampered with to the point
that it is very evident that that is happening with people that really understand historic
preservation as it should be. I don't mean to throw any kind of problems in anybody's
way, I just don't think that the thing was researched enough to find people that
understood that problem to get their opinion on it and let them have the time to think
about it as a carpenter in 1870, wasn't it, at the time that the building was built. And, I
have been here for a good portion of that time, and, it isn't that I love that house at all,
that I love that aspect of the whole that whole area. It was a very important one
historically here and to South Bend as a whole. And that was the time, Mr. Chapin's
daughter built that place, and, maybe the one next door, anyway, they were both built by
Chapin kids, back in the 1870s and that is part of their charm. And really bothers me to
just ignore all that when that it what we're here for, is to try to keep those patches, and so
on, true enough so that people who would walk in there later to buy it from you or
anyone would know and treasure the fact that it is still natural and not just some
manufacturer's idea of setting a window in there that will undoubtedly will work, that
- you'll be able to see through it and everything else but it won't be part of the -fabric of the - ----- - - -- _--
house. And I think that we did not address that enough. I think that it needs to have a bit
more research done, it doesn't take a whole lot. I have been working on windows on
buildings here from the old Court House to, you talk about it, to the years that SouthHold
was doing things and moving houses and taking care of Tippecanoe Place and all of that I
have been through all of that. And our upper most feeling about it is that we have to
continue to honor the fabric of the building and that is what I want to leave with you. I
don't know how you can shorten that up, so that it will mean anything.
Catherine Hostetler: I would like to reiterate Martha's sentiment about the original fabric
of the house. I think those windows, in my opinion, can be restored using the techniques
that we have available, what we have learned in workshops, what we have sent our staff
down to, to learn the skills to do that. I truly believe that these windows can be made
weather tight using as much of the original fabric of those windows as is there today,
having them re -glazed and then exploring the options of interior versus exterior storms.
The argument for using storm windows on the interior because your want to have
ventilation through the house is certainly understandable but usually you don't use storm
windows in the winter time in a breakfast nook and want ventilation at the same time
So have storm windows on the interior, just for that time of year, I don't think is going to
be that invasive and shouldn't stop you from getting the air dynamics in your house
working properly. So you could use, as a compromise, interior storms, just in that
particular area and maintain those original windows. I also think that you may have other
issues going on, that aren't just the windows. I think that there have been foundation
issues on that bay, because you can see on that bay some of the molding isn't quite level;
that there might be some other issues going on here that putting new windows in, isn't
going to solve that problem. In fact you might be opening up a huge can of worms and
have take out all of those new windows and rebuild that whole bay area. So I think that
we will really need to explore this after seeing the structure with the possibility that there
might be some foundation issues. Otherwise what you may be doing, Professor, is
compounding a problem that needs to be addressed at a more fundamental level. I would
call for not only restoration of the windows but investigation into the foundation of the
house so that when you do come up with a solution it's the best one for you and the best
one for the house.
Joann Sporleder: May I speak? I would like to address some of the things that Catherine
brought up. One, there is a lot of suppositions in that and supposes. I think that this is an
inappropriate time to think what might happen if he allowed to do what he is proposing to
do. Also neither Tim nor Catherine's suggestions of what to do, if Tim made suggestions,
of how to solve the problem of a single pane windows which are very uncomfortable to
live next to. Everybody knows and we all acknowledge that the original windows can be
retro fitted in a sense, rebuilt and sustained so that the caulking works, the windows work
and all the rest of the things work. However, we are still stuck at that juncture with single
pane glass which is, as Wayne has said, no insulating characteristics, whatsoever. So
what we are suggesting, I think, here is that Professor Enderle despite two years of
investigating this problem of how to solve it, especially the four windows in the dining
..room, that his and living d living and trying to come to some understanding of how
he can best solve the other problem of makingthehouse Comfortable and livable without
stretching plastic over the windows every year or leaving it on year after year after year.
It's obvious that these windows, all of them, have led to a variety of attempts to make the
house more comfortable and energy efficient at some point. And, I think that we should
make more effort at understanding his solution to this problem. Unless, and I refer this to
Counsel, unless our standards actually say that the aluminum clad wooden windows are
not allowed. If our standards actually say that, then all this discussion is pointless.
Thank you.
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Lynn Patrick: I would like to interject that "Original windows and doors shall be
retained, including sashes, lintels, sills, shutters, decorative glass, pediments, hoods and
hardware. When deteriorated beyond repair, they shall be replaced with units and trim
resembling the original." I do not find these windows to be deteriorated beyond repair.
Joann Sporleder: But, they are asked to be replaced with material that resembles very
closely in terms of scale, size and dimensions the original.
Lynn Patrick: But they are not...
Joann Sporleder: They are deteriorated beyond repair of using them as insulated
windows. They are going to remain single pane windows which are still single pane
windows.
Tim Klusczinski: I have an issue with the fact that the examples that Professor Enderle
sponsors for replacement of the existing openings do not match in full profile with
respect especially the sill extension, sill -nose height, as well as the cladding, which would
distort them from the original in-kind material suggested by the architecture. It is also
speculation, and I would caution everyone, not to suggest that restoration for a single
pane window would not have an extremely beneficial enhancement or provide Professor
Enderle with that because it has not been done and we don't know how much is air
infiltration and we don't know how much is thermal transfer. With that in mind, that it
seems like the most logical approach would be to suggest that since there is still a
restoration option, that replacements should not be ordered at this point or allowed and
that what can be done to the windows, be done, and then in light of what other
mechanical advancements that we have with respect to interior and exterior storms, that
those also could be proposed to enhance what I think will be a very cost effective and
wonderful solution using single pane glass.
Joann Sporleder: I'd like to stress the issue of exterior storms. They simply cannot be
allowed. On those windows they would be an historical inaccuracy, there is no indication
that those windows at any time in their past have ever had exterior storms or exterior
screens. Further, there is no place in the trim of the windows to install them without
putting them exteriorly or on top of the existing trim which architecturally is
unacceptable.
__Lynn Patrick:_ I would like to add to what I hear what. Commissioner- Sporleder is saying ------- ---- ---
but I also would like to add to what Commissioner Klusczinski said, the possibility of
perhaps taking one of the windows and seeing if we could apply one of the solutions that
the Preservation Commission is suggesting make a test case but of one of the windows.
Joann Sporleder: So far the Commission hasn't suggested anything, except negative
comments.
Lynn Patrick: I didn't get that...
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Joann Sporleder: So far the Commission hasn't suggested any practical solution, only
offered so far, negative comments.
Catherine Hostetler: I that exception with that. We have worked very hard to analyze
this situation and restoration is not a negative.
Joann Sporleder: There is no restoration involved with anything that anyone has said.
You can restore the windows but you have not solved the problem of the thermal
insulation and its therefore useable livability. One of the things this Commission has
tried to do over all the years is to find acceptable solutions to real -live problems. This is
not a museum, folks. This is a house that people live in and want to live in on a daily
basis. And unless we can provide adequate guidance for people to live in their houses, as
most people like to live in their houses, then we have totally failed.
Shawn Peterson: Is there any other discussion regarding the issue here?
Lynn Patrick: We have a member of the public that wishes to make a comment.
Shawn Peterson: That is within your discretion, obviously. You are past the public
hearing portion.
Lynn Patrick: We are past.
Shawn Peterson: I guess, a couple of things, one I guess an opportunity to the applicant,
"Do you wish to allow them to consider your certificate of appropriateness or withdraw it
at this time? Would you like for them to go ahead and proceed"
Georges Enderle: I am willing to withdraw it.
Shawn Peterson: You wish to withdraw it?
Georges Enderle: Yes, I need some days to think about it and then to think about the
proposals I am going to make and I also would like to have the right to invite a specialist,
a specialist with windows at Notre Dame who restores hundreds of windows and I will
discuss the issue with him and my solution. So I would like to have him here so that we
have another point of view. And then I also want to second what you (Martha Choitz)
have said is very close to my heart. You know, that I studied history quite a lot and . --- ----- - -- -
historydoes not mean just applying technical solutions. It is to understand the mind of
the people who lived in the house and who constructed the house, etcetera. I mean that's
why I personally feel that to place storm windows on those windows as they have been
for decades and decades would be a violation of the historical sense. That can discussed, I
withdraw this and I will think about it and see if I want to submit two proposals; one for
four windows, which I think that is an easier path, and one for the six windows. And also
have your permission to invite Tony Polotto from Notre Dame.
Catherine Hostetler: What we would like to do is before you submit another proposal
that when you work with your architect from Notre Dame that you include members of
the Commission to work with you so that this thing can be crafted in such a way so that it
will succeed.
Georges Enderle: Well, I would like to have him here, right here at the table. I don't
think he has much time to meet some hours with us, I don't think. Probably he would be
willing to be here at the table. Because as far as I know, when I asked him about single
glass or two glass windows, he clearly stated that the insulation with two glasses was
better than with one glass.
Catherine Hostetler: I think it would help if we were working with you. We would all
sit down together and try to solve this, resolve this problem in a way that is satisfactory
rather than you going away from this meeting, setting up another meeting with somebody
else, addressing a problem and then coming back and then not having input from the
Commission before, this way we could have something that will succeed.
Lynn Patrick: It wouldn't have to be all of us. It could be Catherine, maybe Tim, maybe
Wayne, maybe Joann.
Georges Enderle: I am very suspicious that Mr. Polotto has the time. He is running
around the world twenty-four hours.
Shawn Peterson: I think the suggestion is that when he comes over to your house to take
a look at them if it's possible to have one individual, either from the staff or the
commission, to come out; because I think that they could provide some guidance as far as
suppliers or techniques or that he may know, but not think when he looks at the windows.
And just be at the meeting when he comes to your house with enough people with their
expertise, someone should be able to make that meeting.
Professor Enderle and the Commission then engaged in a discussion of suppliers,
especially Marvin, and their work on the historical windows at Central High School and
storm windows at Leslie Choitz's house.
Lynn Patrick: Requests a motion for adjournment.
Joann Sporleder: So moved.
There was a discussion with Shawn Peterson and Professor Enderle that detailed what the
staff would provide in a letter. There was a discussion between Joann Sporleder and
Shawn Peterson concerning the meaning of the Chapin Park District Standards and
Guidelines as they pertain to windows.
Tim Klusczinski: I second the motion.
The motion to adjourn passes unanimously.
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502.36
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27.73
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18.42
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POTENTIAL ADVISORY BOARDICOMMITTEE MEMBERS
FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION --•DRAFT
PAUL HAYDEN ( ANTIQUES, RESTORATIONS, PRESERVATION
SPECIALIST) RELICS, 1 148 WESTERN AVE, 46601,574-289
8861 HAYPAULJ@CS.COM
CONNIE AND TOM TOOLEY (GRAPHIC DESIGN, HOME
RESTORATIONS) DESIGN ASSOCIATES, 514 W. LASALLE AVE,
466019 574 246 0472
JIM MARKLE-BUILDING DEPARTMENTIDESIGN REVIEW
BOARD 125 S. LAFAYETTE, 46601, 574 235 95549
JMARKLE@SOUTHBENDIN.GOV
DAVID HATCH -HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, EXEC. DIRECTOR, 402
E.SOUTH STREET, 46601, 574 288 6967
DBHHFHSTJOE@COMCAST.NET
WILLIAM SNIADECKI, SBCSC TRUSTEE, ACTIVIST,
PRESERVATION ADVOCATE, 58976 CRUMSTOWN HWY,
466199 574 287 04399 WSNIADECKI@SBCGLOBAL.NET
JED EIDE, RA
WILLIAM R. LAMIE, RA BILL@ADGOFFICE.COM
JOHN MELLOR, RA
ALEX REGNERY, RA
ALL AT ARCHITECTURE DESIGN GROUP, ADG, INC, 922 E.
WAYNE STREET, 46617, 574 288 6626
DONALD SPORLEDER, RA, 205 W. CRIPE, 46637, 272
6172, SPORLEDER. 'I @ND.EDU
JOHN STAMPER, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, NDU SCHOOL OF
ARCHITECTURE, 'I 10 BOND HALL, ND, 46556-56529 574
6314666, JOHN.W.STAMPER. 'I @ND.EDU
FATHER BULENE, CSC ASSISTANT DEAN, ARCHITECTURE,
317 BOND HALL, NOTRE DAME, 4665569 574 631 88289
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BRENDON CRUMLISH, RA, STUDIO B ARCHITECTS, 3215
SUGAR MAPLE COURT, 46628, 233 4550
BRUCE HUNTINGTON-ATTORNEY, PRESERVATIONIST, 105 E.
JEFFERSON, 46601,574-234 3900
TOM FORSEY FORESY CONSTRUCTION, INC, 2018 IRONWOOD
CIRCLE, 46660-6188,574 272 94209
TOM@4CCONSTRUCTION.COM
BILL COLEMAN, RA, SAME AS ABOVE,
BCOLEMAN@4CCONSTRUCTION.COM
JAN MACHILKSI-RIVER PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOC.,
PRESERVATION ACTIVIST, 1117 SOUTH 31 ST STREET,
46615, H. 282 17879 W. 269 683 0421 , JNETM@AOL.COM
KOLIN HODGSON-CHAPIN PARK BOARD, PRESERVATIONIST,
807 ASHLAND, 46616, 574 23710539 KOLINH@GMAIL.COM
RON DEWINTER TOWNSHIP BOARD, ACTIVIST, 1013 LWW,
MISHAWAKA, 46544, 255 6741,
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ROB DAGGER -CONSTRUCTION, OLD FORT CONSTRUCTION,
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574 234 7724, BEV@FUNSTUFFFORGENEALOGISTS.COM
MICHAEL EBY LOCAL HISTORY, PRESERVATIONIST,
MEBY@CO.ST-JOSEPH.IN.US
GREG KIL, RA, KIL ARCHITECTURE AND PLANNING, 1 126
LWE, 466019 288 2654
THOMAS SCHLARETH, NDU AMERICAN STUDIES -ON LEAVE
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JULIA DESLAURIES, COMMUNITY ACTIVIST, PRESERVATIONIST
RIVER BEND LHD, 287 2681
BRAD DENNIS, ZIOLKOWSKI CONSTRUCTION, 1005 S.
LAFAYETTE, 46601, 574 287 18111
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BOB GRANT, BOB GRANT CONSTRUCTION, 574 291 7195
DAVID MAYERNICK-ARCHITECTIHISTORICAL BUILDINGS,
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DAVID SASSANO-ARCHITECT, ADAPTIVE REUSE, 1328 E.
WAYNE , 46615, 574 287 7454
RHETT JONES, THE PAINT GUY, QUALITY INTERIOR AND
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STEVE SEMES, RA NOTRE DAME SCHOOL OF ARCHITECTURE,
SEMES. I @ND.EDU.
KRUPALI UPLEKAR, SCHOOL OF ARCHITECTURE, HISTORIC
PRESERVATION, 313 BOND HALL, 465569 574 631 23 149
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GARY VAN OVERBERGHE, VAN OVERBERGHE BUILDERS,
CARPENTRY, RESTORATION WORK, 53922 OLIvE ROAD,
46628, 574 289 0341 ,
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PATRICK LYNCH, ARCHITECT, SOUTH BEND HERITAGE
FOUNDATION, 803 LWW, 466169 574 289 1066, ExT 206,
PATLYNCH@SBHERITAGE.ORG
JOANN SPORLEDER SUGGESTED VICKY JENNINGS FROM
FIRST PRESBYTERIAN
Director's Report
November, 2006
10/16 6-7:30pm Botanical Society Meeting at River Park Partnership
Center
10/21 2:00-5:00 710 Park Avenue. Look at windows and then continue
with HPC meeting at Office.
10/24 Attended a "Permit Meeting". This Committee involves all the
departments that issue permits in an attempt to put
on-line all of the information necessary for Building Permits
COAs. Historic Preservation's designations will be included in
fields.
10/25 Attended the Mayor's reception for Dr. Zimmerman
10/28 City Cemetery Clean Up from 10-12 with Wayne and Amy
Commissioners Riley, Klusczinsld, Patrick with family and friends,
also Michael Eby and Mikki Dobski Shidler and friends.
10/30 Greenhouse meeting at River Park Partnership Center 6-7:30pm
10/31 9:30 am Meeting at O'Brien Center with Parks concerning the
Greenhouses.
11/2 Tour of City Cemetery with Michael Eby and Amy
11/5 Fund Raiser at the Potawatomi Greenhouses
11/8 5:15 Meeting with NNN, Chuck Leone, LHD and Memorial
11/9 8-9AM media event at City Cemetery
Meeting with Margaret Ridenour, Administrative Coordinator
Indiana Economic Development Corporation
11/13 8:30-1 Oarn Meeting with Parks concerning the Botanical Society
and the Greenhouses.
3:30-5:30 Common Council Committee Presentation from Parks,
---- —Greg Kit -and the -Botanical -Society.
11/15 Attended Dedication of new SBCSC Admin Building
11/16 8:00 Meeting with Derek Dieter concerning the Conservatories.
10:00 Strategy Session with Sue Kesim. Concerning the Botanical
Society and Fund Raising.
MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
OF SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY
November 20, 2006
41h Floor Council Chambers
County — City Building, South Bend, Indiana
Members Present: Lynn Patrick [President], Mary Jane Chase [Secretary], Catherine Hostetler, Martha
Choitz, Joann Sporleder, [Architectural Historian], Tim Klusczinski, [Treasurer] Shawn Peterson [Legal
Counsel], Linda Riley, Todd Zeiger
Staff Present: Catherine Hostetler [Director], Amy Herdman [Asst. Director], Wayne Doolittle [Preservation
Specialist]
Others Present: Don Sporleder, , Susan Youens, Joan Downs-Krostenko, Jennifer Gregar, Yigel Mitthan, Susan
Sakimoto, David Faulkner, George Enderle
Absent: Jerry Ujdak
I. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL: President Lynn Patrick called the meeting to order at 7:35pm.
II. PUBLIC HEARING
A. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS
1. 710 Park Avenue C of A# 2006-1108-A
Local Landmark, designated by Ordinance #6461-1978
STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT: This Eclectic Italianate was built for Mary
Chapin Anderson and Andrew Anderson between 1875 and 1877. Four generations of the Anderson-
DuShane family lived in this house until 1962.
APPLICATION ITEMS: Replacement of four windows in dining room with Marvin insulated glass (that
can be upgraded to Low E R/Argon gas) windows. The windows will be wooden double hung inserts,
aluminum clad for the sashes and wood for the sills. The daylight openings for the proposed sashes are: width
30 5/8" versus 31 '/a" in the original and height 37 3/8" versus 39" in the original.
Standards and Guidelines for Chapin Park: II Existing Structures, C Windows and Doors: Please see
attached pages 74 and 75 of the Chapin Park Standards and Guidelines for the verbatim Standards concerning
windows.
GROUP B LANDMARK STANDARDS B. Treatment: Treatment shall be defined as any change of
surface materials that will not alter the style or original form. Such improvements include reproofing,
glazing, or landscaping lawns and may involve a change that can potentially enhance or detract from the
character of the landmark. A treatment change of any surface whether on the landmark or in its environment
may require a Certificate of Appropriateness if it significantly alters the appearance of the landmark.
Although these kinds of changes may not require a Building Permit, a Certificate of Appropriateness may be
necessary. The commission should review the proposed treatment for character and style consistency with the
original surfaces.
RECOMMENDATION: Professor Enderle proposes to remove the four sashes in the bay window area of
his dining room and replace the sashes with aluminum clad wooden sashes and wooden sills with Marvin
Clad Ultimate Insert Double Hung, Head Jamb, Checkrail with Beveled Frame version installed in the
existing frames and on top of the existing sills. (See illustration on page 19.9 of the Marvin insertwhich
shows both the sashes and the sill as aluminum clad). The Marvin Clad.Ultimate Insert window framing
will be individually custom fit into each of the four irregular window openings in the bay window area.
Staff does not recommend approval because the Chapin Park Standards and Guidelines require that original
windows and doors shall be retained including sashes lintels, sills, shutters, decorative glass, pediments,
hoods and hardware. When deteriorated beyond repair, they shall be replace with units and trim resembling
the original. And the Chapin Park guidelines prohibit discarding original windows when they can be restored
and reused in place as well as the use of aluminum insulating glass combinations that require removal of
original windows and doors.
Patrick: The Chair recognizes the homeowner if he wishes to approach the podium and make
any statements. Please limit your comments to five minutes.
Enderle: Yes, good evening ladies and gentlemen. First of all, I would like to begin with
thanking you for your support that you have provided me over the last four months. Particularly
the dedication and perseverance in the search for an appropriate solution for my window
problems. I would like to thank particularly those that came to my house last time to have a first
hand look at my windows and to discuss what we can find as a solution. And also my thanks go
to Martha Choitz who recommended Marvin Windows. I considered it seriously, I contacted
Marvin Windows, and I had a meeting with Bruce Darr, representing Marvin Windows, Joann
Sporleder, and my contractor at my house. I see the following options- it is true that the existing
windows can be restored, but they are single pane glass windows. But they are not thermally
efficient, they are cold. It is not possible to install exterior storm windows because my house
never had that, and it is technically not feasible to do that. It's not possible to have interior storm
windows because that would change the character of the room and would look a little bit like a
prison. What I have done last year, and what I have done this winter is to stretch plastic over the
windows, which works but is definitely not the definitive answer, and it costs about $20 per
window. I also have consulted with an architect to find out what we can do, and I also have
consulted with Dr. Robert Rodes who is a neighbor and a professor of Law at the University of
Notre Dame. Now my solution which I am proposing here are Marvin Windows, double hung, all
wood, two glasses, the color matches the existing paint. I also asked Bruce Darr if that window
can be repainted and he confirmed that. So, from outside, there is no change at all. I'm also
willing to salvage the windows because I know that they are of quality, and I have a safe place in
my basement where I can store them and so I would like to submit my proposal and ask you for
consideration and understanding.
Patrick: Thank you. You may sit down or remain standing if you wish, but the President will
now recognize Commissioners with questions for the Staff or property owner, not to exceed five
minutes. Any Commissioners?
Peterson: Madame President I just wanted to acknowledge that because this is a new Certificate
of Appropriateness, any evidence submitted at the prior hearings will not be considered unless
one of the Commissioners or the applicant wants to submit the minutes from those prior meetings
as evidence. I know that at the last meeting there was a site visit and it seems that evidence was
submitted into the record for that, so if the Commissioners want to do that again they can do that,
or ask that the minutes once approved be submitted into the record.
Patrick: Thank you esteemed counselor. I was not referencing any prior, um on my revised
parliamentary procedure that I've been trying to follow that and our other one it's a 15 minute
maximum so we've always traditionally started out at S with the understanding that we can go
longer if necessary. Do any Commissioners have questions?
Sporleder: I would like to pick up on what Counsel has suggested. I would like to make the
motion that the minutes of all of the previous meetings be admitted as evidence for this particular
hearing. I make that as a motion.
Peterson: I think that you can make that a motion once they're approved to do that. Otherwise
the applicant or any Commissioner can submit it to evidence with their comments too. It does
need to be a formal action to do it.
Sporleder: Ok. Thank you.
Patrick: Do we have a second on that motion?
Riley: Second.
Patrick: All in favor? (Ayes are heard) Let's do a roll call vote.
Sporleder: Joann, aye.
Choitz: I'm not voting.
Riley: Linda, aye.
Patrick: I'm not voting either.
Klusczinski: Tim Klusczinski, nay.
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Chase: Mary Jane Chase, abstaining. I think that the changes that were made convolute what
we're trying to do.
Zeiger: I vote no, Todd.
Peterson: Again, you don't need to take action to submit this into the evidence. You can take the
prior minutes and add it in, but I think it has to be [unintelligible]. What I was anticipating was
that if there was evidence already admitted from site visits and things like that, you could either
restate that evidence offactual note into it now, or you could just incorporate by reference as
documented in the minutes that have been submitted to you. Just, uh...
Patrick: Can we just take the counselor's comments and incorporate it as per his reference?
Peterson: Yes.
Patrick: Very good. I'd like to return to any Commissioner comments. Do we have any
Commissioner comments or questions for the applicant?
Sporleder: For the applicant or just comments?
Patrick: This is the portion where the President recognizes Commissioners with questions for
the Staff or the property owner.
Klusczinski: I have a question for the petitioner. Uh, Professor, you admitted that restoration is
feasible for the windows that we're discussing tonight. But I guess I'm not clear on what
specialist helped you make the determination that storm windows are not an option, or could not
be applied to the windows that you have.
Enderle: I think that we had that site visit, and we also have the drawings, and they show clearly
that storm windows can not be placed on top of the frame, it's too small.
Klusczinski: I think the drawing that you're referring to which was submitted for the prior
meeting in October only suggests that the illustration and the form that you presented drawn in is
not necessarily the best option for exterior storm. But, interior storms are still a possibility, and
a modified exterior storm would be a possibility too as far as I'm concerned.
Enderle: Modified? That solution is practically not possible because there is almost no space
between that storm window in the sash. Inside, of course many things are possible. Last year
and this year I have stretched the plastic over the windows and that is possible. Maybe next year
I have to do the same thing. But to place interior storm windows which goes inside and is not
convenient, Ido not want that. And it has never been so. I don't know why you want to intrude
my privacy there.
Klusczinski: Just for point of clarification, the only points that I'm making are relevant to the
structure that we're discussing which happens to be your house, and also a local landmark.
Enderle: The structure, as I said, is the same. Also the same paint. I also asked because you
asked me aboutfour weeks ago, you told me that those clad windows can not be repainted, and - -- -
that's not true. I talked to Bruce Darr and he said that could be done even today, but that would
not make sense. I said maybe in five or ten years, if I had no clad aluminum, I would have to
paint every two or three years. And I have 54 windows.
Patrick: I'll now initiate a second five minute period. Please continue. Do we have any other
questions by a Commissioner?
Sporleder: If I may pickup on the discussion. Were you finished Tim?
Klusczinski: I was, yes go ahead.
Sporleder: I didn't mean to intrude if you weren't finished. IfI could pick up on the discussion
between the exterior storm window and the interior storm window. The exterior storm, on these
four windows, -there is no evidence that -there- ever ever -were or was storm -windows on the - - - ----
exterior, as one might have expected. There is no physical evidence; furthermore there is no
place to put them, period. There really is no place to put an.exterior window in that location. So
one is left with the option of considering what Professor Enderle is suggesting which maintains
the overall appearance of the existing windows in terms of scale, size, color, dimension ofsash,
etc. It will to all purposes replicate what is in fact, there. It is true that the existing window
could in fact be taken out and restored. However, once they are restored, they are still single
pane glass. So, one is still faced with the possibility of some kind of storm window now only
available on the inside. So they can continue to stretch plastic as he's continued to do which is
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deteriorating the woodwork on the inside, because it must be removed every year, and it's taking
off the finish. There is no real appropriate place on the inside to install an interior storm.
Patrick: Joann?
Sporleder: I'm not finished.
Patrick: Ok, I was just going to ask if you were finished.
Sporleder: No, I'm taking a breath. I'm trying to take a breath here. And I appreciate what Tim
and Catherine and other members of the Commission have tried very hard to keep this
extraordinarily fine structure in as pristine a condition as possible. But the pristine condition
means single pane glass, and that is very diff cult to live with. Furthermore, I think that no
overall harm could come to this structure, nor to the neighbors, not to the integrity of the
neighborhood by allowing the use of insulating glass in the way it has been proposed to do using
the Marvin windows. Furthermore, I find it extremely interesting in looking at the overall
definition of what is or isn't appropriate and what exists in the neighborhood, there are already,
by the records here, 50% of the houses in that neighborhood already have aluminum storm
windows of one kind or another. A fair number of those are also insulated glass, aluminum clad
illuminated, not illuminated, insulating glass. And the standards which refer to these 50% wood
windows, 50% aluminum windows, make no allowance for those structures which have no storm
windows of any kind whatsoever. So, I don't see that allowing aluminum clad, wood thermal pane
windows which absolutely replicate what is already there in appearance is so drastically awful
for the neighborhood, or for the house itself. I guess that's what I want to say and thank you very
much and thanks to everyone for the enormous amount of dedication that they have put to this
effort.
Patrick: It's now 10 minutes. I misspoke when I initiated this portion Joann, and that is my fault.
I meant to recognize Commissioners with questions for the staff or for the property owner. At
this point does anyone have a question for the staff, because I have one question?
Zeiger: I have a question when you're done.
Patrick: Very good.
Zeiger: Is it to my understanding that there is going to be a second window sill installed with this
installation?
Sporleder: May I speak to that?
Zeiger: No, I'm asking the petitioner or staff. My understanding from your presentation is that
you're installing a second window sill on top of the existing window sill. In other words are you
replacing the sash or the entire jamb unit with a new sill on top?
Enderle: Its an insert which means it's a frame.
Zeiger: Ok, you answered my question. And I've also understood that there's no historic
evidence of storms, is there any evidence that there's been aluminum cladding ever put on this
building historically?
Enderle: No.
Zeiger: I think that's all of my questions.
Patrick: I have one quick question for Wayne. In your opinion Wayne, is there another solution
other than the one, not to go into great detail, but there is another solution other than the one that
has been presented to us in this Certificate of Appropriateness. In your professional opinion, as
someone who has attended workshops on historic structures, windows etc, there is a different
solution, but it has not been presented?
Doolittle: Well, you can add, or you can replace those windows ... I believe that the sashes can be
replaced, just the sashes. To fill the same space and with a change of weights on it, if you're
using a spring loaded weight then you can accommodate a dual pane glass. It would mean
taking out the existing sashes, top and bottom, and replacing them with wood sashes that would
also have the dual pane glass on it. You can accommodate the difference in weight by using a
different type ofpulley system. It would accommodate that weight.
Patrick: Thank you.
Enderle: May I say something to that solution? We discussed that proposal also, and the
problem with that solution is that my windows are not square. And if you have just trim (?) liners
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on the right and the left side, we have to adjust the whole frame of the window, so that makes this
solution very difficult.
Patrick: Professor, you...
Zeiger: May I ask a follow up question, because that's what I was asking about as well. So what
I'm hearing is that you're not only proposing to replace the windows, but you're also discussing
narrowing down the entire opening by a significant amount.
Enderle: It's not significant; it's about Y2 an inch.-
Zeiger: Plus the new jamb.
Enderle: No, no all included.
Zeiger: How are you installing a new jamb in an area that you're saying is out ofplumb?
Enderle: I can give you the measures, but it's very thin.
Zeiger: But the answer that I'm hearing is that you are narrowing down the existing opening.
Enderle: Igave the measurements in the report, and I can read them again.
Zeiger: That's not necessary, you answered my question.
Patrick: If there are no more questions...
Hostetler: I have a question.
Patrick: Oh great, another Commissioner question.
Hostetler: I spoke with Bruce Darr at Werntz Supply, the local Marvin window dealer regarding
Professor Enderle's Certificate of Appropriateness application for replacement sashes. He said
that he gave Professor Enderle approximately eight different options
Patrick: Eight different options?
Hostetler:... eight different options or different types of window solutions for this particular
problem and Professor Enderle again chose aluminum clad double hung the Ultimate Insert
which is $484.88. The cost of a plain wooden window of the same product line but just plain
wood is $484.88 if it is primed on the exterior it costs $498.56. Marvin does not make interior
storms. Professor Enderle would not need interior storms with the Marvin double paned
replacement sashes. My question is for all of the times that we've been discussing this, and I
know that you had Joann there when you met with Nr. Darr is why did you insist on continuing to
pursue using aluminum clad double hung wood windows when a good paint job on a wood
window would last you twenty years?
Enderle: My answer is quick because I asked Mr. Darr how, or when do I have to repaint those
wood windows and he said every two or three years. In two or three years, and that is the
reason. Aluminum clad takes maybe ten or twenty years, but if for instance if we want to change
the color than we can do that. I think that aluminum clad is the appropriate solution because I
don't have to repaint the house-every-three years, or a number of windows, and from outside -
there is no change at all. The appearance is exactly the same.
Patrick: Thank you. If there are no more questions. I see a comment from staff.
Doolittle: Yes, I want to make another point. The window is not out of square. The hole that the
window sits in is out of square. And in talking to the gentleman from Marvin windows, he didn't
quite understand that. He said, well you could put an aluminum window in there, and you just fill
it in, which didn't make any sense to me. Again, it's the hole that the window sits in that's out of
square, it's not the window. Its ok, and with a wood window, you could accommodate that and
make it fit. I just wanted to get that clear, that it is not the window itself, it is not the sashes..
Enderle: No, not the sashes, the frame.
Doolittle:-So you have to-treat-whatever goes in there the same way. -If it is a steel-window, an
aluminum window, whatever kind it is its going to be square and be sitting in an out of square
hole. a•
Patrick: Thank you. The timer is going to go off in just about a minute, and we've spent over 15
minutes on this. What I'd like to do now is open up the public hearing portion to any member of
the public wishing to speak in favor of the CoA. I'll recognize each fora maximum of 5 minutes
if there is anyone that would like to speak in favor of this CoA. In favor of the CoA as currently
submitted, for the aluminum clad windows. I'm not seeing any hands raised nor anyone
approaching the podium, so I would like to then summon any member of the public wishing to
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speak in opposition of the CoA and recognize each for a maximum of 5 minutes each. Anyone
wishing to speak ... it doesn't mean that you have to take the full 5 minutes, but you may. Alright.
Krostenko: Joan Downs-Krostenko, 849 Forest Avenue. I'm the chair of the Chapin Park
Historic District Historic Preservation Commission Liaison Committee. I have my committee
here with me today, and I have their signatures on their letter. Dear members of the St. Joseph
County Historic Preservation Committee, we, the members of the Chapin Park Historic District
Preservation Liaison Committee respectfully request that you honor and uphold the regulations
in the Chapin Park Historic District Guidelines and reject any Certificate of Appropriateness
which seeks to install replacement windows at the Anderson House at 710 Park Avenue,
especially those which are metal clad. The Guidelines and the preservationist community are
clear on the inappropriate, ineffective and destructive quality of such replacement windows.
Argon gas is notorious for leaking out of such windows within a year or two of their installation.
At that point water condenses inside and the insulative quality of the windows is destroyed.
Furthermore, such windows are notoriously unsightly, particularly when filled with
condensation, and unlikely to fit the sagging or no long true apertures of historic homes, further
destroying and insulating quality that their marketers proclaim they have. We are not convinced
that restoration and rehabilitation of the existing windows at 710 Park Avenue has been
investigated. It is our understanding that bids for this procedure have not been submitted. We
fear the precedent which will beset if the landmark property at 710 Park Avenue is allowed to
have modern metal clad windows installed. How will you be able to demand restoration and
preservation or original windows, or almost any other original feature, at other properties if such
features on the Anderson House are not deemed important enough to save? (Hard copy of letter,
complete with signatures submitted into the record and is included with minutes) And I would
also like to add that the comment about 50% of the houses in Chapin Park already having
aluminum clad windows is completely without bearing on this argument. There are all kinds of
abominations that have occurred to our beautiful buildings in Chapin Park before we became a
historic district. Metal clad windows are one of them. And I think that we became a district to
cease seeing this kind of destruction done to our beautiful buildings, so I don't think that has any
constitutional bearing on this question. The other thing that I would like to say is that those of us
who have had our houses painted by those that understand how to paint historic homes will tell
you that you do not need to repaint your home every two to three years, or necessarily everyfive
years if you get a good paint job on there the first time. Thank you.
Patrick: I'm resetting the timer.
Youens: My name is Susan Youens, I live at 850 Forest Avenue and I simply want to second
everything that Joanie Downs-Krostenko said and add my own very unhappy experience with a
single double hung metal modern window that I couldn't wait to yank out once it had failed and
caused all kinds of structural damage around the frame in the space of one year. The house on
Park Avenue is so beautiful, so historically important, such an architectural monument in the
neighborhood that I for one would hate to see anything compromise the integrity of such a
structure. So I hope that the Commission will not approve this C of A. Thank you.
Patrick. Thank you. I'm resetting the timer.
Sakimoto: I'm Susan Sakimoto of 851 Park Avenue, the other end of the street. I have just
finished restoring over four dozen of the windows in my house, and throwing out the metal clad
storm windows. My house is substantially warmer this year. I put thermometers on the windows
last year, being a former rocket scientist I couldn't resist. The restored windows have done
substantially better than the new 1950-1960's double pane windows which leak like a sieve. They
actually do better than the triple pane argon windows I had in my previous house because the
argon leaked out after a year. I would like to suggest that there is one solution that I don't think
has been suggested yet and that is to take the existing sashes, and they are wide old hard wood,
and you can actually put two panes ofglass and a spacer in those with a bit of care. Essentially
replacing nothing but the glass, and I'm not sure that's been suggested yet. Its probably the
cheapest option and maybe the most efficient.
Patrick: Thank you.
Sporleder: Are we going to be allowed to speak to any of these people?
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Patrick: Well, after they're done we have a ... I'll allow for any additional evidence to be
submitted as part of the record after that. This is the oppositional views being expressed. Go
ahead, sir.
Faulkner: My name is David Faulkner and I live at 835 Park Avenue just down the street. I too
live in a historically significant house. It's the old South Bend Toy Company house. I too am in
the process of restoring it as well. It takes long time to modernize, or to fix these houses so that
are up to date. I have 88 windows in my house that I have to restore. I too could have gone the
route of replacing my windows and putting in metal storm windows, metal clad windows. I
looked at that, I entertained the idea at first just to get an idea of what it would cost to do such a
tremendous undertaking of 88 windows. I found there it is much less expensive to have the
windows that I have rebuilt and repaired and restored rather than replaced. We used to have a
gentleman that used to work with [unintelligible] and he was able to stop by the house and
actually give testimony and his knowledge that the windows are actually better thermally
insulated. If you stop and think about it, these windows are already 100 years old, and they're
still around. If you put in these new windows nowadays, you see people replacing them every ten
or twentyyears. So really, you've got a much better window in the old ones if they're just rebuilt.
It will also keep the integrity of the property. Moving into a neighborhood like ours, you need to
keep the integrity of these houses, and its very important to most everyone in the community that
a house of that significance stays in tact because its one of the oldest and most historic houses in
the neighborhood. So I too would just like to voice my opinion that I'd like to see another option
entertained for the old windows to be restored. Perhaps you could get names from Todd or
anybody that would be able to do something like that. Thank you.
Patrick: Thank you. The President will now allow any additional evidence to be submitted as
Part of the record.
Hostetler: I think that what I would like to submit as part of the record would be Bob Yapp's
presentation "Old Windows are Not a Pane, They're a Goldmine'; which he details with
techniques and supplies how to put in and restore windows and do paint jobs that will last I5-20
years.
Patrick: So you will include a copy of that with the minutes when they come out?
Hostetler: Yes.
Sporleder: I'd like to second what Catherine says, and I'd also like to make a comment about it.
I was very impressed with what Bob Yapp's proposal of how to restore old windows. Step #1, if
you would care to open your copy of that, and read it to me, I would appreciate it.
Patrick: I don't think that we really need to go into that at this point.
Sporleder: -Yes we do. - Step #1 will say quite clearly, 'be sure that your storm windows are -
[unintelligible] and restored before you begin on the sash'. This particular structure has no
storm windows.
Patrick: Ok, while she's looking, I have another Commissioner that would like to make a
comment.
Riley: I guess to the last speaker, I'm sorry I missed your name, the one problem that the
Professor has is that he will not have, as Joann said, a storm window. He can have the window
repaired and it will be in good order, but there will be no energy saving there. Did you find any
energy saving or were you able to make your house more comfortable without a storm window?
Faulkner: [unintelligible]
P-atrick: Go ahead, approach thepodium.- - - —
Faulkner: We're still in the process of having our storm windows rebuilt as well as our windows.
Patrick: We can hardly hear you and this is for the record..,
Faulkner: David Faulkner, 835 Park Avenue. We are rebuilding our storm windows and our
main windows as well. We're only 8 into the whole 88, we're doing it as we can afford to do it.
So, its taking a little bit of time, but we've noticed that ones that have been rebuilt are better, even
without the storm windows in them because if you have them reglazed and rebuilt, have the whole
frame rebuilt if its rotted out then everything fits nicely, if you've got somebody that knows what
they're doing, then they'll fit nice and proper and tight. We've noticed a significant difference in
the windows that have been done.
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Patrick: Thank you. At this point, Shawn had a comment, I see.
Peterson: I just wanted to note that Catherine has informed me that Catherine has given the
petitioner a copy of Bob Yapp's report and that he is fully aware, and has received ... so that it can
be submitted to evidence as he is fully aware of it.
Patrick: Good point, thank you.
Sporleder: I've got one more comment, and I'd like to make it.
Patrick: You'll need to be brief...
Sporleder: I'd like to respond to one persons suggestion that the... that insulating glass can be
put in the existing sash. It was first thing that Ilooked at when I went to his house initially. The
sash is not wide enough to accommodate insulating glass.
Patrick: Thank you. I'm trying to move this on, because I know that I'm tired, and I know that
we've spent significant time on this, which is worth spending the time to come to the best
understanding. At this point I'd like to close the public hearing, and recognize the applicant for a
rebuttal if you so choose to make one professor of a 3 minute maximum. A rebuttal of 3 minutes.
Enderle: I just want to tell you that four windows, everybody here in the room can come and tell
me when you want to come and see those windows. If you tell me that I have to put storm
windows there it's not feasible, its not feasible technically speaking. Eighty-eight windows with
storm windows is a different situation. Don't make a judgment about a situation that you don't
know seriously enough. That's why, I mean, I feel that storm windows is the belief, that's the
credo, its true, but in my situation its different. And you need to know my situation before you
can make a judgment.
Patrick: Thank you Professor. Having heard the rebuttal, the President now recognizes
Commissioners for additional discussion and I will entertain a motion. Does any Commissioner
wish to have additional discussion? Mary Jane?
Chase: I think that we're getting hung up on two words here- we're getting all hung up on the
words storm window and aluminum or aluminum clad. If you can have the windows rebuilt as
Wayne suggested with a double pane window with new weights, you probably will have a better
fit. Storm windows are impossible, so we can't get hung up on that, its not a do -able thing for
you. Getting a window rebuilt, double paned, properly fit with new weights it's a heavier
window, you may find that you're going to have the protection in the fitting...I have had
aluminum windows, they sweat and they did ruin the inside wood on a previous home. But we're
getting hung up on two words, rather than looking at solutions. So we need think about solutions
rather that hang up on words.
Patrick: Are they any other comments by any other Commissioners?
Klusczinski: I personally have a hard time believing someone when they tell me that something
can't be done, and it seems up to now there have been no attempts to have a reputable storm
window manufacturer come to the site and assess the situation other than the homeowner. I,
Professor Enderle, was one of the specialists that made a trip to your house, and graciously
accepted your invitation. I could see where we could apply interior storms, and I could also see
where dimensions probably would allow exterior storms. At less of an invasion than the proposal
that you're submitting today that has an interior jamb system on it. So, other than... that's just
what I wanted to say for the record.
Sporleder: May I rebut that?
Patrick: Let's go down this way, I have one comment that I wanted to make. As President, and
as someone that also visited your house, and has tremendous respect for you as a very learned
and traveled man, and as owner of the finest historic homes in the district, I have expressed at
one point that we get our Preservation Specialist Wayne Doolittle, Tim Klusczinski who's very
knowledgeable about this, Paul Hayden, another Preservation Specialist with Historic
Landmarks and a window person, have them do one window in that bay that faces the back and
see if we could satisfy you by doing one window. We talked about it and nothing ever happened, I
don't know if anyone communicated that back to you, but even after all is said and done, this
might be an option. Were it properly written, you wouldn't even have to come before the
Commission, because it would be in-kind replacement, or it would be staff approved or we could
get it through, but I want to hold out this missive of hope because I have a feeling that you might
not totally have the response that you wish from this meeting, but that does not mean that there
will not be a solution some time in the future. And now, Joann you wish to make a comment?
Sporleder: Yes, I really do not understand why Tim is so hung up on putting exterior storms on
this, it has been plainly evident that it doesn't fit.
Patrick: I would prefer that you not characterize one of our Commissioners as "hung up ".
Sporleder: Sorry.
Patrick: Do you have anything else that you wish to say on the matter?
Sporleder: I think not.
Patrick: Thank you. I'll entertain a motion whether to approve or deny the C of A. I'm sorry?
Peterson: I was also thinking that regarding my brief about districts, and what my thought was
whether they prohibited the aluminum and the insulating glass. I guess overall I just want to
remind the Commission that first of all your goal is to figure out whether or not this proposal is
appropriate, considering the structure and its historical significance. Is it appropriate?. And the
guidelines are there to assist you, and you promulgated those to provide guidance to the
community as well on what is and what is not appropriate. Upon looking at it, to be brief, the
actual phrase where it says, in the prohibited section, 'inappropriate new window and door
features such as metal, vinyl or fiberglass awnings, hoods or aluminum insulating glass
combinations that require the removal of the original window or door shall not be installed. '
First, it's qualified by the fact that this particular provision is talking about a feature adding to a
window, and what its saying here is that if you have to remove and otherwise usable, effective
window to install this, or if you're installing this with a current window and its visible that's what
makes it inappropriate, and its prohibited. I don't think that necessarily precludes the fact that if
a window is deteriorated beyond repair, or otherwise ineffective or unusable, you could install an
appropriate looking insulated glass either in wood or in aluminum if its appropriate. I don't
think that it's a complete prohibition, but says what is a prototypically inappropriate when used
with a current... window, basically removing a original window for the purposes of adding in an
insulated window which is a norm that occurs frequently among areas that are not protected by
Historic Preservation.
Patrick: Thank you, Counsel. And that is your contribution of finding of fact in this matter
then?
Peterson: I guess that its up to the Commission if they wish to entertain the fact, I think again the
pertinent issues are again. 1...
Patrick: Shawn? I'm just referencing 'if advisable, the Commission makes findings of fact with
guidance from legal counsel'.
Peterson: Right, and that's what I'm saying... when you look at the standards here, again you - - ----
look at 1. Is it appropriate?, 2.what's the public detriment by allowing inappropriate
improvements, and 3., what's the hardship to the applicant by denying the application. So, you
have to find if its inappropriate if you wish to deny it, and then in doing so present particular
findings that reference either the standards or the application as far as what makes it
inappropriate. And then also findings as to whether or not if you allow it what detriment would it
be to the public, and finally what hardship would be experienced in denial. So those are the
findings that you can do, and instead of actually voting on findings what's meant by the
suggestion here is that if someone votes to deny it in a roll call vote, they should say their
rationale as they vote. By reference. let's say Todd is the first to vote, he should say that Y vote
______to deny_because x,y and z -'.-In doing so the findings are in those three aspects. _Appropriateness,
public detriment, and potential hardship to the applicant.
Patrick: Thank you. And now, I would like to entertain a motion whether to approve or deny this
Certificate of Appropriateness.
Sporleder: I would like to make a motion ifI may?
Patrick: Certainly.
Sporleder: I move that we approve of...where's the application number now?
Hostetler: 2006-1108-A.
Sporleder:... That we approve application number 2006-1108-A at 710 Park Avenue with the
added addendum that the existing windows be removed and carefully stored for future reuse if
somebody so desires to do so.
Peterson: I'd like to comment that if a condition is placed upon the approval, then the applicant
must consent to that prior to the motion being approved. So you'd have to ask the applicant if
they're willing to do that prior to the vote.
Sporleder: Would the applicant be agreeable to storing, carefully removing and storing the
existing windows?
Enderle: Yes.
Sporleder: Thank you.
Patrick: We have a motion on the table, do we have a second?
Riley: Second.
Patrick: We will now vote on the motion on the table. All in favor?
Sporleder: I vote aye.
Zeiger: Do a roll call.
Patrick: We'll do a roll call vote please.
Sporleder: Aye, this is Joann.
Choitz: I'm negative on it, and my reasons are very clear. The house is beyond the ordinary, and
it's a very special place, and many of the things that we've heard here this evening about other
kinds of windows and things being put on these houses were done when there was no local
landmark or local history, or local district here. Now its an entirely different thing. We are the
keepers of the fabric of those houses, and its to remain as simple and pure, and of course they
were made by people that didn't have the use of tools that we have now, and that is my reason,
the house deserves a better chance to go on into its second hundred years without any more
damage to it than is absolutely necessary.
Patrick: Thank you.
Riley: I vote aye, Linda Riley.
Patrick: I Lynn Patrick, President of the Commission, vote nay. I think that its inappropriate for
an outstanding local landmark, I think that it goes against the standards. Having viewed these
windows personally, I think that there are other solutions that there are other solutions than
what's been presented. I believe that this would be a detriment to the house and to the
neighborhood. And I find that the hardship to the client to be minimal if any. So sayeth L
Klusczinski: I vote to deny Certificate of Appropriateness, Tim Klusczinski, 2006-1108-A with
amendments. The Anderson House is a premier and significant Local Landmark in the Chapin
Park Historic District. Presently, the 50 plus windows of the original 1870 vintage compliment,
remain intact, and contribute to the charm and historic value of the entire structure. According
to "The Repair of Historic Wooden Windows " Preservation Brief no.9 - issued by the US
Secretary of the Interior and National Park Service -Technical Preservation Services, and relating
to historic properties and windows, "After all of the factors have been evaluated (these are,
"admitting light to the interior spaces, providing fresh air and ventilation to the interior,
providing a visual link to the outside world, and enhancing the appearance of a building'),
"windows should be considered significant to a building if they: 1) are original, 2) reflect the
original design intent for the building, 3) reflect period or regional styles or building practices,
4) reflect changes to the building resulting from major periods or events, or S) are examples of
exceptional craftsmanship or design. " So then, I conclude that the Anderson windows are worthy
of this consideration. As a result, extreme care should be taken for changes and modifications
that could potentially impact the structure or its parts and, as a result, affect its historic or
market appeal. The Anderson House together with its original components is becoming more
valuable with age — but only while important components (like windows) continue to compliment
its stately presence. Environmental conditions relating to the application can be address by
restoration in lieu of replacement. Resetting and re-glazing the panes would significantly reduce
air infiltration to create a more comfortable living space. In addition, storm windows would
increase the thermal insulation value and could potentially exceed the life and performance of the
proposed double, Argon-filled panes.
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I would suggest the use of interior storm windows, although it is certainly conceivable that custom
varieties could be manufactured to fit within the 718" exterior trim.
Again from Preservation Brief no.9, "Consider energy efficiency as one of the factors for
replacements, but do not let it dominate the issue. Energy conservation is no excuse for the wholesale
destruction of historic windows which can be made thermally efficient by historically and
aesthetically acceptable means. In fact, a historic wooden window with a high quality storm window
added should thermally outperform a new double-glazed metal window which does not have thermal
breaks (insulation between the inner and outer frames intended to break the path of heat flow). This
occurs because the wood has far better insulating value than the metal, and in addition many historic
windows have high ratios of wood to glass, thus reducing the area of highest heat transfer. "
Evidence obtained from an earlier, on-site investigation revealed that the subject windows are NOT
"beyond" repair, a prerequisite for replacement in the Chapin Park Historic District as outlined
within the Guidelines and Standards booklet. When permitted, the Chapin Park Guidelines and
Standards demand in-kind replacements with respect to material, style and scale. The proposed
replacements differ in several ways. Here are two examples: Original windows are all wood with
painted surfaces. In contrast the replacements exhibit an aluminum-clad, wood core. The proposed
Marvin inserts are designed for installation atop the original sill and below the original head rail.
This will alter the appearance of the original view by creating a double sill. This is not a desirable
alteration. "Technical Preservation Services recommends the retention and repair of original
windows whenever possible. " They "believe that the repair and weatherization of existing wooden
windows is more practical than most people realize, and that many windows are unfortunately
' replaced because of a lack of awareness of techniques for evaluation, repair, and weatherization.
Wooden windows which are repaired and properly maintained will have greatly extended service
lives while contributing to the historic character of the building. Thus, an important element of a
building's significance will have been preserved for the future. "
It is unfortunate, but true that C of A #2006-1108-A succeeds in testing the spirit and the letter of the
newly installed Chapin Park LHD Guidelines and Standards. My rejection of that proposal is
intended to honor that document, knowingfull well that other more complete solutions are better
suited for this grand and magnificent local landmark.
Patrick: Couldn't have said it better myself.
Chase: Mary Jane Chase, and I vote nay. 1 don't think that I've heard all the research has been for
various aluminum clad, and the research has not been into proper craftsmen to redo the windows.
The research has all been one-sided so far.
Patrick: Remember to address the standards, and the detriment and the hardship.
Chase: In keeping with the district, you are starting a new district and what happened years ago
happened before it was historic. Now you have to keep the integrity of the district up and maintain
the homes and when you have something as fantastic and beautiful as this one, it would be an
abortion to ruin that.
Zeiger: Todd Zeiger, I also vote no. I'd like to echo and include in my remarks what Tim mentioned,
and I'd also like to add as far as the appropriateness I don't feel that this proposal, it does not follow
the guidelines. It is intending to introduce materials and dimensions that are not there now, its not
replicating the original opening, its narrowing it down with an additional sill and header and jamb,
its introducing new materials that are not found on this house and the additional window sill and
jambs add a dimension and change the proportion and scale of the building that's not acceptable.
There's been information presented that the windows cannot be restored, nor were bids for the same
provided, and as a matter offact the applicant acknowledged that the windows can be redone. As far
as the detriment, I think that allowing this to move forward would be a, would really diminish the
character of the neighborhood generally if it were allowed to happen over and over, and in particular
to the fabric of this building. I don't think that there's been a demonstrated hardship to the applicant,
and he's not given us any options other than what's been provided, and that's the reasons for my no
vote.
Hostetler: Catherine Hostetler, I am voting no. This is a local landmark, it's a most significant
house, and is the second most significant house in the Chapin Park neighborhood. I think that its
more than just a window issue, I feel that it's a foundation issue in the bay. Putting brand new
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windows in would be like putting rectangles into a trapezoid. Within S years you'd be replacing
everything again. It would be like throwing good money after bad because its not really solving the
fundamental problems going on there with the house. I don't think that its going to cause a hardship
to the owner because aluminum clad windows are exactly the same price as the all wooden windows
which could be primed... Joann, I did..
Sporleder: The total cost is more for the wooden windows, as you have outlined.
Hostetler: Thirteen dollars is not a significant hardship for a primed wooden window.
Sporleder: That's just primed, it doesn't include the paint.
Zeiger: Madame Chair...
Hostetler: So there's not a significant dollar difference percentage wise that would present a
hardship from going from aluminum clad to regular wooden window. Its also against the guidelines,
these windows are not beyond repair, and they should be preserved simply because of the status of
this landmark in the neighborhood.
Patrick: Thank you.
Sporleder: I have a question. Several people have stated that this is a local landmark, I didn't know
it was a local landmark, I thought that it was just part of a historic district. When did we make it a
local landmark?
Patrick: (Reading from staff report) Local landmark, Chapin Park local historic district.
Klusczinski: A plaque from Peter Nemeth is affixed to the front door.
Sporleder: Ok, thank you.
Peterson: As a Robert's Rules of Order here ... a motion is on the table to approve it, but that motion
has failed, and the Commissioners have all stated their reasons to against it. As a point of order, we
now need a motion to officially deny it, and each Commissioner can simply incorporate what they
previously said with their vote, as apart of their denial this time.
Patrick: I'll entertain a motion to deny this Certificate of Appropriateness.
Klusczinski: I move to deny Certificate of Appropriateness 2006-1108-A.
Zeiger: I'll second that.
Patrick: Now do we each have to state our reasons again?
Peterson: [unintelligible — away from microphone]
Zeiger: Todd Zeiger, my reasons as previously stated flow into this motion please.
Chase: Mary Jane Chase, same.
Klusezinski: Tim Klusczinski for comments previously noted.
Patrick: For comments previously noted. The inappropriateness for this particular landmark, the
potential detriment to this house, and the lack of hardship shown.
Peterson: Let the record show that you are voting for the denial.
Patrick: I am, against. Thank you.
Riley: I'm voting nay. I feel that it is a hardship for the applicant and I think that if I understand it
correctly, he can't put in Marvin windows and be wood and be painted and they will look from the
outside as it should, and he's willing to save the old windows for a time later when there's another
homeowner and they want to put them back in, then it can be done.
Choitz: I thought that I did this once.
Patrick: We're doing it again.
Choitz: Well, I'll say it quite the same way. I am... opposed to..
Sporleder: No, you want to vote yes.
Choitz: Why?
Sporleder: Because it is a negative motion.
Choitz: Oh yes. Oh, I don't know. You've got me confused to the point that...
Patrick: Counselor?
Peterson: Do you vote to deny this application?
Choitz: Yes, I did vote to deny the application.
Peterson: For the reasons that you previously stated?
Choitz: And the statements that I made before still stands. Is that ok?
Patrick: Yes. Thank you Counselor. Thank you Martha.
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Sporleder: I vote no to this negative thing, because all of the statements that were made before are
largely unsubstantiated by fact. Thank you.
Patrick: Very well.
Hostetler: I vote no.
Patrick: The vote is now totaled and the decision can be announced.
Riley: She should vote yes.
Hostetler: I'm voting in favor of the denial.
Patrick: Shawn, you did that to us.
Peterson: You did it to yourself, you hardly ever have someone move to approve it when you're
actually going to deny it.
Patrick: We did it to ourselves which is often the case. Now the vote is totaled, and the decision can
be announced. Who has taken the tally?
Herdman: Which tally do you want?
Patrick: I'd like the tally for the decision to deny.
Herdman: In the decision to deny- 6 Commissioners voted in favor of denial, 2 were opposed and
one Commissioner is absent.
Patrick: Very well. So the motion is...
Peterson: The application is denied.
Patrick: The application is denied. This is like some sort of twilight zone. That issue is concluded. I
thank everyone for their attention, their input and all of their thoughts and labors and efforts that
have gone into this. We'll be moving on with our agenda.
Motion to deny Certificate of Appropriateness 2006-1108-A:
Motion: Klusczinski Second: Zeiger In favor: Klusczinski, Zeiger, Chase, Patrick,
Choitz, Hostetler
Opposed: Riley, Sporleder
Absent: Ujdak
B. LANDMARKS
1. 853 Forest - Third Reading
Klusczinski: I move to send a favorable recommendation to the Common Council regarding
designation of 853 Forest Avenue, the Charles E. Clipfall House as a local landmark.
Riley: Second.
Patrick: I would ask for any discussion for the motion on the floor. If there is any discussion on
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this. I not, Id like to call for a vote.
Zeiger: Aye, Todd.
Chase: Aye, Mary Jane.
Klusczinski: Aye, Tim Klusczinski
Patrick: Aye, Lynn Patrick
Riley: Aye, Linda Riley.
Choitz: Aye, Martha Choitz.
Sporleder: I'm abstaining, Joann.
Hostetler: Aye, Catherine.
Patrick: And the motion is carried.
Motion to send a favorable recommendation to Common Council regarding designation of 853
Forest Ave as a local landmark.
Motion: Klusczinski Second: Riley In favor: Klusczinski, Zeiger, Chase, Patrick,
Choitz, Hostetler, Riley
Abstained: Sporleder
Absent: Ujdak
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C. NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION
Catherine Hostetler made the announcement that Walker Field Shelter House and Northside Blvd.
Riverwall were listed on the National Register of Historic Places effective 9/27/2006.
111. REGULAR BUSINESS
A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
October 16th, and 21st 2006
After clarification of a question posed by Commissioner Sporleder, the Minutes as listed above
were approved.
Moved (16'): Hostetler Second: Choitz Vote: 7-0
Abstention: Zeiger
Moved (21'): Hostetler Second: Choitz Vote: 6-0
Abstention: Zeiger, Chase
B. COMMITTEE REPORTS
1. Treasurer's Report
■ Location Report of 10/31/2006 was submitted.
2. President's Report
■ Contact will be made shortly with those that are listed on the current draft of potential Advisory
Board members. Commissioner Chase pointed out an incorrect address on the draft which has
been corrected.
■ President Patrick is exploring the possibility of a partnership with Zen Caf6 to create a special
coffee to be used as an HPC fundraiser.
■ President Patrick appointed the following to be the nominating committee for 2007 HPC Office
holders: Commissioners Chase, Choitz with Commissioner Riley as an alternate. All
Commissioners accepted their appointments.
3. Landmarks
■ A motion was made to suspend the agenda to allow Commissioner Zeiger's power point
presentation of South Bend landmarks to follow the Staff Reports.
Moved Klusczinski Second: Chase Vote: Unanimous
Commissioner Zeiger closed the meeting with a presentation highlighting the variety of city
landmarks and their locations within South Bend. Commissioner Zeiger thanked Wayne
Doolittle, Amy Herdman and Julie Schutte for their assistance with the presentation.
C. STAFF REPORTS
Director's Report — Catherine Hostetler
Distributed to Commissioners.
Hostetler: We've got 3 things that we need to vote on. First of all, the renewal of the Inspector's
Contract for 2007, beginning January Is'. Renewing Wayne's contract for not more than 30
hours a week at a rate of $22.001hour.
Moved Zeiger Second: Klusezinski Vote: Unanimous
Hostetler: The second proposal is to increase the Assistant Director's salary up to $30,000.
Riley: From what?
Hostetler: 28, or 27.
Riley: So moved.
Chase: Second.
Patrick: All in favor? (Ayes are heard) Opposed? (I Aye)
Moved Riley Second: Chase Vote: 7-1
Opposed: Sporleder
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Patrick: With no opposition then...
Hostetler: Joann, she just voted nay.
Patrick: Oh you voted nay?
Sporleder: I did.
Patrick: I'm sorry, it sounded like aye. The motion carries with one negative vote.
Hostetler: And then the Director's salary to increase it to $40,000.
Patrick: From?
Hostetler: $36,050.
Chase: So moved.
Klusczinski: Second.
Patrick: In favor? (Ayes are heard)
Sporleder: I'm opposing. The county generally speaking is trying to freeze salaries...
Hostetler: This comes from the City.
Sporleder: The city is trying to do the same thing.
Hostetler: We get a grant.
Patrick: Martha, did you vote?
Choitz: No, I didn't. I vote with everyone else.
Patrick: I take that to mean that you vote aye?
Choitz: Aye.
Hostetler: Thank you.
Patrick: Well earned.
Moved Chase Second: Klusczinski Vote: 6-1-1
Opposed: Sporleder
Abstaining: Hostetler
Patrick: We also have an issue regarding RestoreMichiana?
Hostetler: Yes. I would like a motion to approve out of our budget to spend up to $10, 000 to
partner with HLFI for the 2"d Annual RestoreMichiana Conference.
Patrick: And this money comes from?
Hostetler: Our budget.
Patrick: Excellent.
Zeiger: Just a note that I will abstain, but I'd like to comment about it.
Chase: When is the date?
Patrick: We haven't set a date yet, but we should get our committee together very soon.
Catherine and I had lunch today and also last week and we talked about it. We're going with a
different venue and a little bit earlier in the year, the weather was way too nice last time, and the
Century Center was more than we wanted to spend and we've got a lot of ideas and we'll get
together with the committee soon. I think though that the first thing to do is to get... did we
already do a motion to...?
Hostetler: No.
Patrick: May I have a motion from somebody?
Klusczinski: I move to appropriate up to $10, 000 for the RestoreMichiana program.
Patrick: Do I have a second?
Choitz: Second.
Patrick: Asecond by Martha Choitz. A_ ll in favor? (Ayes are_ heard) -Opposed? (Silence) — ----_
Zeiger: I abstain.
Moved Klusczinski Second: Choitz Vote: 7-0
Abstaining: Zeiger
Zeiger: I just wanted to note that its our anticipation in meeting with Catherine and Amy, we met
about this and we looked over last year's budget and looked ahead to this year and we've more
realistically estimated how many people will come, and how much we'll charge. Its my thought
that we'll recoup most if not all of the $10,000 that you're encumbering. There just needs to be a
pot of money to use to get the thing set up. Once we get it going, its our expectation that we'll
recapture those dollars that can then be used again in future years. We're reducing the amount
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spent on printing and copying and on rentals, so I don't foresee the total amount of the $10,000
just going away, but we do have to have a pot to get started with.
Patrick: I'd also like to mention that the Commission wants to work much more closely with the
planning on this year. I know for me, and I think Tim as well, we want to be sure that we're
really pulling in the traces. We want to try to make a bigger contribution.
Zeiger: Come on down.
Patrick: OI, we've had our Directors and Assistant Directors reports distributed. Onto legal.
Assistant Director's Report — Amy Herdman
Distributed to Commissioners.
Legal Report — Shawn Peterson
Distributed "Application Procedures for Certificates of Appropriateness" for Commissioner
review and future discussion.
IV. OLD BUSINESS
V. NEW BUSINESS
VI. HEARING OF VISITORS
Don Sporleder reported on the Design Charette held on 11/11/2006 regarding the S. Michigan
corridor/National Register District, and announced that the charette will meet again in mid-
January.
Klusczinski: I move to adjourn.
Chase: Second.
Patrick: All in favor? (Ayes are heard) Opposed? (Silence)
Moved Klusczinski Second: Chase Vote: Unanimous
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WHY SHOULDN'T I REPLACE MY WINDOWS?
Many people say they want new windows because they fear lead paint, or because they want better
soundproofing, energy efficiency and easier cleaning. Then the answer is to restore original
windows, not replace them. Restoration will cost less, and the windows will be lead free,
soundproof, energy efficient and easily cleaned. I have trained many small contractors and
homeowners how to perform this task efficiently, cost effectively, and, for those who insist they
want tilt -ins for easier cleaning, this system can give them an easy cleaning solution as well. All of
this and a new combination wood storm/screen cost less than a wood tilt -in with vinyl jamb liners
and no storm. This system keeps the sash weights, cuts nothing off the window sash, and removes
all old paint and glazing. My friend John Seekircher, a steel casement window restoration expert,
always says, "The reason they call them replacement windows is that you have to replace them
over and over again,"
Lead poisoning in children has been depicted by HUD and the EPA as an epidemic. This is total
nonsense. Children today have less lead poisoning than ever before in history and it has nothing to
;do with lead paint regulations. Taking lead out of gasoline and better factory emissions are
responsible for this.
;Lead paint is only a hazard if it's unstable. Removing lead paint from window jambs and sashes is
a safe, quick and easy process if the homeowner or contractor knows how to do it. We must start
immediately training small contractors & homeowners how to do this. Right now the contractors
that are getting lead certified are gouging homeowners pocketbooks because they can.
The reason homeowners think they need to replace their windows is that the window industry
spends tens of millions of dollars a year to convince homeowners to buy their inferior products. It
will take a consumer about 30 years to get any payback from replacement windows with insulated
glass and considering the following statements in the window industries trade magazine, Glass
Magazine, the industry makes the case for restoration.
July 2001 Glass Magazine, By Editor, Charles Cumpstom, "The consumer's perception of glass is
significantly different from the industry's. While some in the industry think a 15 -year life is
adequate, it is the rare homeowner who envisions replacing all his windows in 15 years."
Another article in 1995 in Glass Magazine by Ted Hart states, "Remember our industry, with rare
exception, has chosen to hide the fact that insulating glass does have a life expectancy. It is a crime
that with full knowledge and total capability to build a superior unit, most of the industry chooses
to manufacture an inferior single -seal unit." NOTE: Single seal units are still the norm with an
average seal life of 2 to 6 years.
As a side note to this, I am not a general contractor..I believe it -is a conflict to teach people how to
do these things out of one side of my mouth and then try to get their business out of the other side
of my mouth. I do, however, buy endangered, historic properties and rehab them, both in my job as
a Community Preservation Specialist with Historic Landmarks Foundation of Indiana, and as a
private citizen. This keeps me in the fray with the least conflict of interest possible. As a practical
preservation advocate, there can be only one client ----the consumer, their homes and
neighborhoods they live in.
Bob Yapp
RESTORE & MAINTAIN WINDOWS
DON'T REPLACE THEM
• Replacement wood windows are made with new growth lumber that's not as strong or rot resistant
as the old growth lumber used in windows made before the 1950s.
• Insulated glass seals tend to fail in 2 to 6 years, thus allowing condensation between the panes.
• Most insulated glass panels cannot be replaced once they fail. The entire window must be replaced.
• Primary window sashes were never intended to take a direct hit from the weather. In years past they
had shutters, and in later years, storm windows to protect them.
• Air infiltration is the biggest energy issue with windows. Vinyl windows, by their nature, have
weep holes in their bottom rail to let the moisture seep out, and this allows massive air infiltration.
• PVC or vinyl is the most toxic substance manufactured today. It can't be recycled; off -gasses toxic
fumes, and has excessive contraction and expansion issues. It fades, cracks, and has a maximum
lifespan of 16 to 18 years.
• Metal clad windows are designed to allow water to seep behind the cladding. This causes early rot
of the lumber underneath.
• The vinyl jamb liners that are needed for tilt -in windows have cheap spring balances and cheesy
foam backing -that have a lifespan of about 6 to 10 years.
• Double hung windows were invented in the 1400s as an air conditioning system. Lower the top sash
and raise the lower sash. This lets the hot air and humidity out the top and brings the breezes in
through the bottom. Most replacement units don't have a full screen to allow for this process.
• Aluminum self -storing storm windows are not even a good windbreak. Metal conducts heat and
cold, while wood insulated against heat and cold.
• Sash weight pockets are only an insulation problem if a house has not been caulked and painted
properly.
• '/4 ", laminated glass has better UV protection than all the low -e coatings. It also approaches similar
thermal capabilities as insulated glass, is more soundproof, is safer, and cost less than insulated
glass. If retrofitting energy efficient glass into an old sash is something you feel must be done,
install laminated glass.
• Original window sashes are a part of the face of your old house or building. Replacements often
have different dimensions, and sometimes the window replacement contractor wants to reduce the
size of your openings. This has a negative effect on the overall texture and look of your building.
• If you don't want to lift a finger to maintain or renovate your home, then hire a contractor to restore
your windows. Your restored windows will cost less, have a better payback, be easily cleaned, have
a nice track system, and stop air infiltration which means great energy efficiency.
• Restored wood windows have another 100 -year economic life before total restoration is needed
again. Replacement windows can never be restored effectively.
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Work DescrilDtion
A) Preparation
Remove all paint from window sashes, jambs, sills and interior stools.
Remove the paint either with liquid strippers, or with heat and carbide
hand scrapers.
DO NOT DRY SCRAPE. Always mist the paint with water before
carbide scraping. Do not heat the wood excessively, or it will (over
600 degrees) produce lead fumes, or will scorch the wood. If you are
.using a standard heat gun, you do not need to heat the paint very long.
After heating the paint lightly, go on to another part.' This allows the
heated paint to cool down, making removal of the water -misted paint
easier.
Do the paint removal, except for jambs/sills/stools, either off-site or
outside the house, in the yard. Before scraping, tarp all areas on the
yard and close all windows. When removing lead-based paint, always
wear a double filtered respirator rated for lead fumes, and safety
glasses. Dispose of all paint debris according to local regulations.
B) Wood Repairs
Repair any rotted broken or cracked siding and trim with similar
wood, and/or architectural epoxies. All epoxy wood repairs can be
made with both LiquidWood & WoodEpox, which is made by
ABATRON, telephone 262-653-2000 or www.abatron.com.
Q Hand Washing
All bare wood should be hand washed with TSP and water. Use 1/4
cup of TSP for every gallon of water and scrub the wood. This should
then be rinsed with water. If outside, you can use a hose without a
spray nozzle.
D) Moisture
Before any primer or paint is put on wood, you must test the wood to
be sure the moisture content does not exceed 15%. The only way to
determine this is with a moisture meter. All house painters should
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have one of these meters. Painting wood that has above 15% moisture
can knock 5 to ten years off the life of an exterior paint job.
Power washing is an automatic prescription for paint failure, and is
never recommended: The high pressure drives moisture deep into the
wood, and in some conditions.it can take as long as six months to dry
down to 15% moisture.
E) Priming
Prime all exterior bare wood surfaces with a good quality alkyd oil
primer. One primer that has worked well is Benjamin Moore
"Moorwhite" exterior alkyd oil primer. This should be applied by
brush, not spray. Cover all areas not to receive paint to assure no
dripping or spilling on these surfaces.
Latex primer does not bite into the wood and condition it properly for
caulk and topcoats.
'F) Caulking
Use a paintable, acrylic/latex caulk with silicon.
Imagine your house under Niagara Falls. Caulk all areas that water
cascading water can penetrate, but don't caulk where it can't.
G) Two Top Coats
Brush on two coats of semi -gloss, acrylic latex paint, as topcoats to all
exterior wood surfaces. One type that has worked well is Benjamin
Moore, MoorGlo. The Historic Preservation Commission does not
regulate color, but, at the owner's request, both the HPC, and the
Historic Landmarks Foundation are willing to offer advice and
information.
H) Paint Maintenance
A paint job must be maintained on a yearly basis. Look around the
house to see if any paint is failing. Paint failure, on a properly painted
house, can be caused by things such as exhaust fans not sealed
properly, leaky gutters, or roof problems. Correct the moisture
problems first. Then scrape, prime, and paint the failed areas.
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SASH & JAMB RESTORATION SPECIFICATIONS
Work Description
A) Sash Removal and Restoration.
1) Be sure that the window opening to be worked on has a
weather-stripped storm window in place, to protect the house
from the weather, if you want to remove the window sashes to
work on them.
2) Remove the interior sash stops, parting stops, metal weather
stripping, & both window sashes from the window opening, and
mark them for location with a marking that can survive paint
removal.
Discard the parting stop and keep the interior stop, unless you
will be installing a new interior stop, in which case, discard the
original interior stop as well. Do save all screw and washers
removed from interior stop for later re -use.
3) Remove sash cords from sash weights, and put the weights
someplace convenient, until it is time to string new sash cord
through them, and re -install the windows. Try not to loose
them down the inside of the wall: even if you don't need them,
one of your neighbors will!
4) Carefully remove sash pulleys from jamb & all hardware.
Safely store all hardware & screws.
5) Remove all paint, putty, & non -original obstructions from
the 4 surfaces of the wood jambs, all surfaces of the window
sashes and the interior stop.
DO NOT dry scrape jambs, stops or sashes. All paint removal
from sashes and interior stops can either take place off-site or in
the yard. Use a wet paint removal product, or mist the jambs
with water before carbide scraping them. Do not use heat that
exceeds 600 degrees to remove paint. Over 600 degrees causes
lead paint fumes that are toxic, and can burn the original wood.
Dispose of all paint debris according to local regulations.
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6) Remove all remnants of glazing putty and glass. If the glass
is of no historical importance,. break it out, over a large garbage
can. This should remove most of the glazing putty as the glass
is broken. If the glass is of historical importance, then attempt
to save as much original glass as possible for re -installation
later. The average glass loss under this scenario is about 20%.
7) Repair individual window sashes, as needed. Clamp and re -
pin sagging rails and stiles, & use architectural epoxies to repair
any rotted wood on the outside, or on the inside if it will be
painted. If there is rotted wood on the inside, and it will be
finished naturally, it should have new wood that matches the
original spliced in.
If a sash is disassembled, DO NOT glue -up the mortise and
tenon joints when re -assembling. Pinning the joints with two
hot -dipped, galvanized finish nails that have been cut off
shorter than the thickness of the sash and driven into the
mortise and tenon joint, at opposing angles, if sufficient as long
as the joint is clamped snuggly before pinning. Provide new
parting and interior stop as needed to closely match originals.
8) Repair jambs as needed with wood or exterior architectural
epoxies. If the jamb is to be natural, use exterior grade fillers
that will take a stain.
9) Lightly sand (to 120 grit sandpaper), all wood jambs, sills,
interior stops, & window sashes. Prime the faces, top, and
bottom edges of the window sashes ONLY; do NOT prime or
paint the sides of the sash. Prime everything else, including the
glazing bed, with alkyd oil based primer.
10) Install window glass into a bed of acrylic -latex, siliconized
caulking, and secure it with adequate glazing points All new
glass should be double strength. Install new glazing putty so
that putty, at glass, is in the same sight plane as the interior
molding edge of the sash. One glazing putty to use is #1230
Permaglaze by Schnee -Moorhead. Order it from Midwest
Sealants @ 614-847-4075. It ships in 3 to 5 days COD or credit
card or Glazol by UGL. These professional grade putties skin
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over quickly and can be primed and painted within 24 hours of
installation.
11) Prime glazing putty with alkyd, oil based primer.
12) Apply two topcoats of the Acrylic Latex paint to sashes,
jambs & sills. Specification #109 for priming requirements.
13) Stain, if needed, and apply three coats of White or Amber
Shellac to interior sash surface, interior stop and parting stop to
match original woodwork finish for that room.
B) Install Restored Sash.
1) Make all sash pulleys functional. If any are missing, replace
them with new or salvaged pulleys that match the others in size.
& shape. Clean the surface of the pulleys, sash lifts & interior
stop screws/washers. Do not buff or polish them unless you
can tell that the original finish was polished. If any interior stop
screws or washers are missing, provide new ones that are aged
to match the patina on the original parts.
2) Install sash pulleys with original or new, aged screws.
3) Use nylon sash cord to re -attach the weights and pulleys.
4) Install upper sashes with original or new metal weather
stripping & new parting stop. (Try Dorbin Metal Strip
Company, see attached supplier list.) Parting stops should be
attached with 3 brass screws that are counter sunk, instead of
nailed. This makes it easier to pull out the top sash for cleaning
the exterior side of the glass. Install the bottom sash in the
same manner.
5) Install refinished interior sash stop with original screws and
washers.
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10C 21/4" wide
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METAL WEATHER STRIPPING
Dorbin Metal Strip Manufacturer, Inc.
2404-10 S. Cicero Ave.
Cicero, IL. 60804-3492
1-773-242-2333
PULLEY COVERS
Blaine Window Hardware Co.
17319 Blaine Drive
Hagerstown, MD 21740, Ph- 800-678-1919
SCREEN -STORM WINDOW COMBO
Adams Architectural Eldridge, IA
319-285-8000
1-888-285-8120
Acker Millwork Co.
3300 W. Pabst
Milwaukee, WI 53215
BEVEL CEDAR SIDING (Pre -painted)
Cabot Stains (only make the stain)
800-877-8246
Also: Olympic Stains
Westside Forest Products
RR # 3, Box 303
Bloomington, IL. 61704, Ph.- 309-827-4717
(factory painted 6 sides, cedar clapboard
smooth 8L factory stained fiber cement siding)
HALF -ROUND GUTTERS
Historic Gutter Systems
5621 East "DE" Ave.
Kalamazoo, MI 49004, Ph- 616-382-2700
PULLMAN MFG. CORP.
(Counterbalances for windows)
77 Commerce Drive
Rochester, NY 14623
Office 716-334-1350, Fax 716-359-4460
STEEL WINDOW REPAIR
Seekircher Steel Window Repair
Scarsdale, NY
John Seekircher, 914-725-1904
CLAY TILE ROOF MFG.
Ludowici Roof Tile, Inc.
Box 69
New Lexington, OH 43764
MORTAR TESTING
The Collaborative, Inc.
1002 Walnut, Suite 201
Boulder, CO 80302, Ph- 303-442-3601
David Arbogast
Architectural Conservator
Mortar, Stucco, Paint at Plaster Analysis
Iowa City, Iowa 52247 Ph- 319-351-4601
MORTAR TESTING (continued)
US Heritage Group
1-773-286-2100
Contact: John Speweik
(mortar analysis - will match mortar for color 8z
original mix 8L supply it to you pre -mixed and
ready to go - supplier of lime putty mortar)
PAINT SHAVER MFG
American International Tool
1140 Reservoir Ave., Suite L01
Cranston, RI 02920, Ph- 800-932-5872
THE SILENT PAINT REMOVER
Safe, infared paint removal tool
703-476-6222
NU WALL St RECYCLED RUBBER
Specification Chemicals
Boone, IA, Ph- 800-247-3932
Also: Giid-Wall by Glidden Paints
PLASTER WASHERS
Charles Street Supply Co.
54-56 Charles Street, Dept. OH
Boston, MA 02114, Ph- 800-382-4360
DISCLAIMER
ARCHITECTURAL EPDXIES
Abatron, Inc.
LiquidWood 8L WoodEpox
Kenosha, Wisconsin
1-262-653-2000
The attached list of names should be used as a guide for selecting products and services. While many
of the companies and products named in this list have been successfully used on/with historic
properties, their listing in no way constitutes a recommendation or endorsement by Historic
Landmarks Foundation of Indiana.
You are encouraged to check references as well as review the work, products and services prior to
making any selection.
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Double Hung Wood Windows FUII Size Details
Oftwn Flange Equipment for Residential or Commercial Buildings
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Heads & Sills—Plain \ ��,� No. 10 Equipment
Va" rib x'/,B' high �
3/a flange (.018)
2P 1 " wide
4P 13/e" wide
7P 13/4" wide
913 2" wide
10P 21/4" wide
Zinc Meeting Rails
M1 Z (.024) large hook
M2Z( .018) small hook
Alternate Zinc
Meeting Rails
M3Z (.018) hemmed hook
M4Z (.018) double flat
Zinc
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3/8" flange (.018)
300C 13/a" wide
302C 13/4" wide
303C 2" wide
304C 21/4" wide
Recommended
Equipment in Zinc
by Sash Thickness
13/811 Sash Thickness
Head -2P
Upper Side -300C
Meeting Rails—M1 M2
Lower Side -302C
Sill -4P
13/4" Sash Thickness
Head -2P
Upper Side -302C
Meeting Rails—M1 M2
—er Side -303C
—7P
2" Sash Thickness
Head -4P
Upper Side -303C
Meeting Rails—M1 M2
Lower Side -304C
Head Section
Upper Sash
Meeting Rail
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Sill
STORM WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS
Work Descriution
A) Replacing & Installing Wood Storm Windows
A-1) Remove any original wooden storm windows that will not be re-
used, and store all repairable or reusable ones in a safe place,
appropriately labeled. Leave exterior casing turnbuckles that are there
to hold storm in place.
A-2) Measure storm window opening for storm thickness, sill angle
and horizontal dividing rail position. The storm stiles and rails should
match widths of the primary window sash's stiles and rails.
New storm window measurement should have no more that a 1/8"
reveal on the top & two sides. A gap of no less than 1/8" and no more
than 3/16"must be provided between bottom rail of storm and the
window sill.
A-3) New storm windows may be ordered from Adams Architectural
Wood Products, 300 Trails. Road, Eldridge, Iowa 52748 563-285-
8000. Order their "Historic Storm/Screen Combo" product. These
are clear pine, preservative treated, with full mortise/tenon joinery,
double strength glass, full screens, and factory priming.
A-4) Fit, trim and install all new wood storm windows using two new,
galvanized, traditional storm hanger brackets on top. Maintain a 1/8"
reveal on the top & two sides. A gap of no less than 1/8" and no more
than 3/16"must be provided between bottom rail of storm & sill of
window. Using traditional top hanger brackets is the only way to
adequately facilitate this sill gap. Utilize either the existing or new
exterior turnbuckles to hold storm windows in, or you may use
interior hooks & eyes.
A-5) Weather-strip only the top and both sides of all storms with
weather stripping. Good results have been achieved with # 199DV,
made by Dorbin Metal Strip Manufacturing Company, Inc. 773-242-
2333. They also have a catalogue you can order. Do not weather strip
the bottom rail of any storm windows.
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A-6) Brush on two coats of semi -gloss acrylic latex paint as topcoats
to all surfaces of factory -primed storms.
B) Repairing and Maintaining Existing Storms
B-1) Examine existing storm windows that you are keeping, looking
for wood rot, broken glass or failed glazing putty. Re -glaze as
needed. Loose mortise and tenon joints should be clamped and re -
pinned with metal pins. Do not glue mortise and tenon joints. Repair
wood rot with ABATRON LiquidWood & WoodEpox 262-653-2000
or www.abatron.com.
B-2) Scrape, clean, alkyd oil prime and brush paint two coats of semi-
gloss acrylic latex paint as top -coats to all -surfaces
B-3) Re -hang existing storms with two new, galvanized, traditional
storm hanger brackets on top. Weather strip according to A-5
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• Always give Width first, then Height
• Top Rail and Stiles: 2-1/8" wide; bottom Rail: 3-1/2" wide; cross Bar: 1-7/8" wide
• Charcoal aluminum permanent screen
• Standard window glass insert; specify white or colored channel
• White or Black plastic clips hold storm tight against screen unit
• When ordering, give: (a) Crossbar Location (Top to Centerline), & (b) Sill Angle
(Bevel) in Degrees
• Each combination storm/screen is provided with permanently mounted exterior
screen and removable interior storm inserts.
• All wood is clear pine, with mortise & tenon joinery.
• All wood is preservative treated to AWI specifications for long life.
• Storms/screens are manufactured 1-1/8" thick.
• All glass is clear annealed window glass set in a rolled aluminum channel with a
vinyl glazing strip and pile weatherstrip.
• Screen is provided with charcoal aluminum insect wire.
• Hanging hardware is available.
• Factory priming with oil based primer is available.
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* Wood Chisels. T'
* Sharpening'stone'&gil.
Large garbage'can (to break glass out of sashes on top
* Hammer & nail set.
* C -Clamps, Quik-Grrip Clamps -lots."-.
* 3/4" Bar Clamps-: lots. ..- -
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* 2 1/2", quality, ': angled bristle, trim paint brushes::On6 set;for.oil &brie for'late" z:'-. -
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* Compressor with blower.' . _
* Bench grinder with wire wheel to bl.ean-up Pull
Caulk guns. ,
* Table saw with thin kerf blade or router with slot bit for kerfmg edges.
* Off -set; dovetail -saw. ` : -
* HEPA vacuum or shop vacuum.
' MATERIALS
* Carbide scraper blades. 2" -lots of them': .
* Profile steel scraper blades. Several_ different profiles (curved etc.)
* 100 & 120 grit, orbital sticky disks with dust holes: '
* Abatron LiquidWood & Wood Epoxy = two part..'-"
* Glazing compound & glazing points. (no DAP! Use compound with linseed
#10 galvanized casing/finish nails (cut off to just less than sash thickness and used
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as new mortise & tenonpins) '
* Tack cloths. " '
* Acrylic Latex; Silicon' tube caulk..
* Primer - alkyd oil based.; .
Paint Thinner.
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Brush cleaner - the type that spins around..
* Acrylic Latex. Paint -color to bed etermined. '
Aerosol spray paint - matte black for pulleys'." +
* Dorbin Metal Window Weather-stripping System.'
* Storm window weather-stripping - from Dorbin:
* Boxes of rags.
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