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AGENDA OF THE NOVEMBER 215 2005
COMMISSION MEETING
1865
Regular Meeting 4th Floor COUNCIL CHAMBERS
County -City Building
Monday, November 21, 2005 7:30 PM
I. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL
I1. PUBLIC HEARING
A. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
1. 1111 Riverside Drive COA 2005-1012
O 2. 1333 E. Wayne Street COA 2005-1028
�.y 3. 840 Park COA 2005-1104
4. 517 Carroll revocation hearing for COA 2005-0825
5. 502 East LaSalle -Bergen Building Local Landmark Demolition
6. 2300 Portage Avenue Local Landmark Demolition
O B. LANDMARK
1. Navarre Cabin Report by Joann Sporleder
C. NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION
Z Walker Field and North Liberty Individual Sites
O1I1. REGULAR BUSINESS
(.y A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
October 17, 2005
B. TREASURER'S REPORT
wC. COMMITTEE REPORTS
1. President's Report:
�] D. STAFF REPORTS:
mow% 1. C of A Approvals; Correspondence;
p -I A. Director's Report oxo
B. Assistant Director's Report
2. Legal
IV. OLD BUSINESS
0 1. Chapin Park Standards and Guidelines, Taylor's Field and LWE
2. Vote on Amendment to By -Laws
3. Minutes Proposal
4. Studebaker Building on 637 S. Lafayette -John Oxian Report
V. NEW BUSINESS
1. Contracts: Inspector's and Transcriptionist
2. East Wayne Street Historic District Signage
VI. HEARING OF VISITORS AND ADJOURNMENT
STAFF REPORT
CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
Date: 11/09/05
Application Number: 2005-1012
Property Location: 11 I 1 Riverside Drive
Property Owner: Paul Kochanowski & Brenda Knowles
Landmark or District Designation: Riverside Drive Local Historic District
Rating: Significant/12 -- Prairie — designed by Ernest Young in 1913
APPLICATION ITEMS
Remove 14 wood 4 -over -1 double -hung windows from second floor; replace with vinyl one -over -one
"Royal Seal" windows with applied muntins. Cost of replacement: — $8,000 or $571 per opening.
GUIDELINES
II. C. Windows and Doors. Required: Original windows shall be retained including sashes, lintels, sills,
shutters, decorative glass, pediments, hoods, and hardware. When deteriorated bevond repair, they shall
be replaced with units and trim resembling the original.
RECOMMENDATION
Staff presented the owners with the information packet on wood window repair and wood storm window
options in October. After the application was submitted, HPC Inspector reviewed the windows and
concluded that they are repairable and not in a condition that would necessitate replacement.
Additionally, the proposed vinyl replacements do not resemble the original windows. The stiles and rails
are much thicker on the replacement windows and there is also the additional bulk of the screen track on
the exterior of the window sashes. The replacements will have more sash with less glass.
The replacement of the aluminum triple -track storm windows with wood storms, though, would improve
energy efficiency, allow for easier cleaning of the windows, rehabilitate the historic character of this high
rated house, be a higher quality product, and cost less than the replacement windows.
Staff does not recommend approval.
Application
-FOR -
Certificate of Appropriateness
Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County
125 S. Lafayette Blvd., South Bend, Indiana 46601
Mailing Address: County -City Buddin South Bend, hidiana 46601
Phone: 574-235-9798 • Fax:574.235-9578 • Email: historic4hnicluana.org
Website: http://commurdty.niichiina.org/historic/
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Date Received -1-VS- OeL /y Application Number aO U5 - /O /2.
Past Reviews: ErYES (Datea/Wst Remna)
Staff Approval authorized by: t
Historic Commission Review Date:
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STAFF REPORT
CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
Date: November 9, 2005
Application Number: 2005-1028
Property Location: 1333 E. Wayne Street South
Property Owners: Laura and Edward Smith
Landmark or District Designation: East Wayne Street LHD
Rating: C/9
Statement of Significance/Historic Context:
This Colonial style house was built in 1941 for Francis and Mary Messick. Mr. Messick was
born in South Bend in 1908 and was Treasurer of the American Trust Company of South bend,
and later worked for Associates Discount Corp. The current owners, Laura and Edward Smith,
purchased the house in 1992.
Application Items:
Replace steel casement windows with efficient "Tilt Double Hung" windows by Semco #1614
2W2H. This is a reapplication for windows (COA #1997-1006) approved by Commission on
November 17, 1997.
Recommendation:
Staff recommends Approval of windows with wood exteriors primed with latex primer to match
originals.
Application
- FOR -
Certificate of Appropriateness
Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County
125 S. Lafayette Blvd., South Bend, Indiana 46601
Mailing Address: County -City Building South Bend, Indiana 46601
Phone: 574-235-9798 • Fax: 574-2359578 • Email• SBSJCHPC®cost-joseph.in.us
Website: http://wwwsqosephcounqindiana.com/sjchp/index.htn-d
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Date Received Application Number -2 o o s - I0a-8
Past Reviews: YES (Date of last Review) ❑ NO
Staff Approval authorized by: Title:
Historic Commission Review Date:
Local Landmark Local Historic District (Name) L,1ST WAjuF_ S_re;fFj5-
L National Landmark National Register District (Name)
Certificate of Appropriateness:
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Name of Property Owner(s): (Please Print) ( Lj .) " - 1 MIA
Address of Property Owner(s): Z33 3
Contractor(s) Name:
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Current Use of Building: S)/ -Y, 14
(Single FInily- Multi -Family - Cum miall- Government - Industrial - Vacant - etc.)
Type of Building Construction: i'p d G✓
(Wool Frame - Brick - Store - Steel - Concrete - Other)
Proposed Work: [:]In-kind ❑Landscape ❑ New ❑ Replacement (not in-kind) ❑ Demolition
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ADDRESS,#: 1333 STREET NAME: East Wayne
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R=#: 1997-1006 FILED BY Edward Smith
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Case Closed: yes REVIEW: Appropriate Violation?: no
Status: Was work begun/completed prior to application?: no
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Des: LHD-EW DECISION: Approved D -DAT Nov 17, 199
' Decision By: Commission
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CASE HISTORY: went to Standards and Maintenance committee in October to come
to a compromise with the owners over their proposed changes.
SEE CASE #'s:
PROJECT DESCRIPTION: Construction of a 12x16 room addition in rear that
would have siding to match the rest of the houses existing cedar siding.
Replace all of the windows in the house with double hung windows with
muntinsto match the existing pattern. Place copper roof over the box window
and front porch. In addition the installation of copper gutters and
downspouts.
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STAFF REPORT
CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
Date: November 10, 2005
Application Number: 2005-1104A
Property Location: 840 Park
Property Owners: Diana and John Matthias
Landmark or District Designation: Chapin Park Local Historic District / NRD
Rating: S/11
STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCEMISTORIC CONTEXT:
Free Classic Queen Anne constructed in 1907 for Estelle and Ira Gray. Ira Gray was a developer and the
residence was sold to Josephine and Francis Sherritt in 1908. The current owners are Diana and John
Matthias who have owned this home for approximately 30 years.
APPLICATION ITEMS: The COA is to retain the Doric style capitals that replaced the Scamozzi capitals in
the summer of 2005.
STANDARDS: II Existing Structures, D. Entrances, Porches and Steps
Required: When deteriorated beyond repair, existing or original porches, stoops, patios and steps,
including handrails, balusters, columns, brackets, tiles, and roof decorations, shall be retained or replaced
by replicas of the same design or by a design more in keeping with the historic period of the structure.
RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends replacement of the 2005 Doric capitals with Scamozzi capitals
and denial of the COA application 2005-1104A.
Chapin Park became a Local Historic District in March 2005. The way in which a house appears at the
time of a district's designation is how the Commission evaluates applications for COAs. The capitals on
the porch columns at 840 Park at the time that the district's ordinance were 3 full Scamozzi Capitals and 2
half Scamozzi Capitals. One full Scamozzi was a 2001 replacement due to storm damage.
Application
- FOR -
Certi fYCate of Appropriateness
Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & SL Joseph County
125 S. Lafayette Blvd., South Bend, Indiana 46601
Mailing Address: County -City Building, South Bend, Indiana 46601
Phone: 574-235-9798 ' Fax: 574.235-9578 ' Email: SWCHPCekostyosephinus
Website: http://wwwsgOsePhcOun4 indiana.com/*hp/index.hhW
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Date Received ///0'j/"0 S- Application Number o c3 S - )/0Y &,
Past Reviews: ❑ YES (Dateafwtit viero) 9 N
Staff Approval authorized by: Title:
Historic Commission Review Date:
❑ Local Landmark Local Historic District (Name) - (,kAPi 1.) P)+"
❑ National Landmark National Register District (Name) C441111N FY4tV-
Certificate of Appropriateness:
❑ Denied ❑ Tabled ❑ Sent To Committee ❑ Approved and Issued
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Address of Property for proposed work: @ 4 C) i� K1 K2 1! a V E
Street Number and Street Name
Name of Property Owner(s): (Please Print) 5611 N 111 b lV W V/ A t4 TT' 4 1 a S
Address of Property Owner(s): R 413 W K W U C
Contractor(s) Name: r F rr ll1 F,VO R�G�
Contract Company Name: \ F.K2-C CC _1� k b S O 6114- 1-- S f
Contractor Address: 2 0 21 A- k
City:�oUTH CiENh Phone: 774 2_94-,24c?1
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Statement to the Historic Preservation Commission
From John and Diana Matthias
840 Park Ave., South Bend 46616 2 November 2005
Dear Commission Members:
The story of the repairs to our front porch at 840 Park Ave. really begins with the storm
in the fall of 2001 when a large tree fell on the left side of the porch destroying the
ceramic capital on the left pillar (as one faces the house), and cracking all of the others.
I want to foreground this date because all work on the capitals actually began as a result
of the 2001 storm, and all of our subsequent work was a response to that. We knew that
we would eventually have to replace all of the capitals, but could only get the insurance
to cover one at the time (the one that had crumbled into dust). This was all, of course,
before the recent ordinance was passed, as was the start of follow-up work that Jeff
Dierbeck began doing for us in September, 2004.
The entire porch roof had to be restored, beginning in November of 2001, while work on
some of the porch, including the capitals, was delayed until spring of 2002. The delay
was due to the difficulty of finding an appropriate capital. We could locate nothing Ionic
which we could afford until Peacock and Company came up with the 10 inch diameter
plaster Scamozzi ($ 274.00) which we finally installed. The work, done by Peacock,
permit number 63992, was approved by the insurance company. The plaster Scamozzi,
however, looked nothing like the original ceramic version. It appeared even from a
distance to resemble a plastic imitation, a kind of Disney Land version of the real thing.
We disliked it from the beginning. (The source of the plaster imitation was Decorator's
Supply Corp., 3610 South Morgan, Chicago.)
All of the other Scamozzi, as I have said, were badly damaged. By the summer of 2004
they were porous and disintegrating, letting water into the pillars which had begun to rot
from the inside out. Our contractor, Jeffrey Dierbeck, began looking for replacements for
the Scamozzi in September, 2004; the continuing work of restoration can be said to have
begun again at that time. Nothing that Jeff could locate for us seemed to be satisfactory.
We did not want to use the plaster imitations again as we had come to dislike the one
previously installed. There was some urgency that the work should get under way, but
still we delayed beginning, and looking around, until the summer of 2005.
The winter of 20A was an extremely difficult time for us. Diana's mother was dying in
England and she had to make repeated trips, at great expense, and eventually spent most
of the winter there rather than here. I myself was not well, and I did only what was
necessary to get by. I suppose it was at some point in the winter that we missed all
discussion of the new ordinance that was passed, I believe, in April of 2005. At any rate,
we were unfortunately unaware that forms needed to be filled out for the Historic
Preservation Committee if we were going to make any changes to the capitals. If letters,
brochures, or other information were sent us during this period, we didn't read them or
didn't take in what we were reading. It was a period during which we were focused on
immediate family issues to the exclusion of all else. It is very difficult to have a dying
parent on the other side of the ocean.
While Jeffrey Dierbeck continued to look for capital replacements, the existing capitals
deteriorated further over the winter. Jeff could not find Scamozzi capitals of the correct
size. They would need to be made in two halves in order to fit around the tops of the
columns. Full Scamozzi capitals could only be installed by removing columns from the
porch and jacking up the porch roof, a complicated and expensive task. (This was done
back in 2002 when the porch roof and capitals were damaged by the falling tree. There
was then no alternative as the porch was falling down anyway. That is why the one
Peacock Scamozzi could be installed in that year.) Jeff obtained an estimate (included
here) for 12" Scamozzi column tops from Classic Stairs and Trim on September 17 1h,
2004. These were, again, imitations — they were not ceramic. More than that, they didn't
fit. It would have been necessary, as I've said, to rebuild them in order to install them
around the columns in two halves or to remove the columns from the porch and jack up
the roof.
On July 11, 2005, I saw Wayne Doolittle taking photographs of the broken capital on the
right pillar (as one faces the house). I had a conversation with Wayne on that day in
which I explained the difficulty of locating something appropriate. He expressed
sympathy and mentioned the possibility that he might himself have a piece or pieces
which he could give us. He did not get back in touch about this. More importantly, he
said nothing about the new ordinance or the necessity of filling in forms for the Historical
Preservation Commission. As we knew nothing about either of these things, we
continued to make plans on our own. Had Wayne at that time told us anything about the
forms or the ordinance, we certainly would have complied with the requirements. But we
knew nothing about either.
In the end, we decided to replace the Scamozzi with Doric capitals. We made this
decision only after looking at all of the other houses up and down Park Avenue, and
especially at the two on either side of us, both of which have Doric capitals. It is worth
mentioning that there is no evidence that Doric capitals were not originally used. We do
not have, and I believe the Historical Commission does not have, any photographs of the
porch before 1926, twenty years after the house was built. There have been many
changes in the house over the years, including the addition of two full rooms at the back
of the lot. The Scamozzi could have been added at any point before 1926. Eventually we
decided to use 12" Tuscan column caps bought from Classic Stairs and Trim. The
material is high density molded plastic, with wooden additions across the top. We found
that the porch railing was also in a state of decay and so decided to reinforce and paint
that at the same time. (Photographs are included with the application. Please see Invoice
for work already done, $2,302.00. Please also see Invoice (estimate) for the cost of
removing what has now been done and installing imitation Scamozzi instead: $4,353)
Work on the porch re -commenced — again, it had really begun in fall, 2001 — in October
2005. It was clear we had to finish before winter as the columns, railings, and porch floor
were rotting from water damage. By the time Wayne arrived again, on or about October
22"dof this year, the structural work was done and a painter was beginning to sand the
pillars and porch railing. Wayne evidently told the painter that he should stop working. I
was inside and did not hear this exchange, so I'm not certain what was said on either side.
The first I knew of the conversation was when Jeffrey Dierbeck phoned me an hour or so
later to tell me what had happened. I phoned Wayne who told me to phone Catherine
Hostetler at the Historic Preservation Commission. I was unable to reach Catherine, but
soon afterward noticed someone taking photographs of the porch. This turned out to be
Catherine herself. We had a brief conversation about the situation in which I said
essentially what is written above.
I think our case comes down to these things:
1) We would certainly have complied with the requirements of the Historic
Preservation Commission had we known anything about them. Even so, all of our
work has been a response to the storm in the fall of 2001, years before the
ordinance was enacted.
2) Wayne Doolittle could have told us, or reminded us, about the requirements on
July 11" 2005. If he had, we would have filed the forms at that time.
3) We decided to restore our porch with Doric capitals because we couldn't locate
any Scamozzi that we liked or could afford, and because the Doric capitals
seemed to be compatible with the other houses on the street. We could not delay
the work any longer because winter was coming and the columns, railing, and
porch floor were rotting from water damage.
4) We in fact prefer the Doric capitals and do not want to replace them with bad
imitation Scamozzi like the one installed by Peacock in 2003. Queen Anne houses
are eclectic in design and can certainly accommodate Doric capitals. My wife
grew up in England surrounded with houses of this kind, and some of them
certainly had Doric capitals. See invoice for work already done: $2,302 so far. See
also invoice (estimate) for what it would cost to tear out all this work and begin
again with imitation Scamozzi: $4,353.
5) We are not out of sympathy in any way with the general aims of the Historic
Preservation Commission. We are also not barbarians, seeking to destroy the
aesthetic of our house. Diana is an art historian and Curator of Education at the
Suite Museum of Art at Notre Dame. She is alert to aesthetic standards and
dealing with them is the whole point of her job. I have taught in the Notre Dame
English Department for forty years. I am the author of some twenty books of
poetry, translation, criticism, and scholarship. The Historical Commission should,
I think, take our own judgment of architectural appropriateness into consideration.
6) I have great difficulty meeting in small rooms without windows and am treated
medically for claustrophobia that brings on atrial fibrillation. I must take, along
with two heart medications, both Lexapro and Lorazapam. I have taught only in
large classrooms with windows at Notre Dame for the last fifteen years. I hope,
for this reason among others, that the matter of our capitals can be settled without
an appearance before the Historic Commission.
We include with this letter the Application for Certificate of Appropriateness, along with
related documentation. At the suggestion of Catherine Hostetler, we have looked at the
"Period Homes" website under "Columns and Capitals." We can see that imitation
scamossi are available there, but in plaster/fiberglass, and at great expense. Minimum
orders seem to begin at $3,000.00. We have spent a great deal of money on our house in
the last several years and frankly cannot now afford to spend much more. When I retired
from Notre Dame last spring, my income was cut more or less in half as I live on a Notre
Dame pension plus social security. Diana's salary at the Snite is not high.
Sincerer/, 1II
John Matthias Diana Matthias
840 Park Ave. 840 Park Ave.
Enclosures
1. 9/17/04: Estimate for 12" Scamozzi column tops. This fiber glass imitation could
not be made to fit. Even if it had fit, five of them would have cost $1, 510.00
2. 11/3/05: Invoice for work done to date on installation of Tuscan Doric capitals
and related work to columns and porch: $2,302
3. 11/3/05: Estimate of what the cost would be to tear out work just completed and
begin again with imitation Scamozzi: $4,353.
4. Nine Photographs. Porch, columns and capitals at 840 Park Ave. after the
structural work on the capitals had been finished.
5. Nine Photographs of Chris McLaren house next door at 844 Park Ave. showing
Doric capitals. This house was built two years before ours, in 1904.
6. Four Photograph of Khristin Shrader-Frechette house next door at 838 Park Ave.
showing Doric capitals. This house was built in 1897.
Seven Photographs of Robert Rodes house at 846 Park Ave. showing Doric
capitals. Bob Rodes is not sure when his house was built, but it was roughly at the
time of ours.
8. Passage on the eclectic character of Queen Anne style domestic architecture from
the Dictionary of Architecture, Oxford University Press.
DIE"ECK AND ASSOCIATES LLC
20214 Kem Rd. South Bend, IN 46614 Ph. 291.2481
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REF N0. OTY DESCRIPTION I EACH
Remove existing five Tuscan
TOTAL
Invoke number
Style Capitals and install mold -
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Invodate
date 113 -05
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Customer ID
(Note: Additional column modi-
Terms Cash
fications may be required due to
Date shipped
dimensional variations) Prime.
Shipped via
caulk, and finish pant two coats.
FOB
Color of customer choice.
PepadiColea
5 12'Schom=l lumnCap $409.60
2,048.00
Tax exempt
1 Misc. material Fasteners, Cle $109.76
109.76
Reason
popular, shims caulking, plastic
Exemption no
filler, mer, finish
primer, pant, sanr'-
paper, mineral spirits.
s01NT0
30 Carpentry @ $10.00
1,200.00
Name John and Diana Matthias
24 Pant @ $25.00
1 10% profit and overhead $395.78
600.00
395.78
Address Gine 1) 840 Park Ave.
Address (lure 2)
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City, State or Prov South Bend, IN
Postal code, County
Phone
Fax
Company name
sNIPPFATO
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address.
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Address (lure 1) -
Address (line 2)
City, State or Prov.
Postal code, Country
Company name
Pleasamake ckeckspffl"eIla:
SUBTOTAL
4,353.54_
JeftY D. Dierbeck
Sales tax Y�
20214 Kem Rd.
SNIPPING i NANDLIN6
South Bend, IN 46614
PAYMENTS
Than Have a nice da I
PLEASE PAY THIS MOUNT
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TERMS: Nd s8 days
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DIE"ECK AND ASSOCIATES LLC
20214 Kem Rd. South Berl, IN 46614 Ph. 291-2491
For wol~k a b`ead'y
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Salesperson Jeffrey D. Dierbeck
Remove damaged column
Invoke number
capitals and install new.
Invoice dare 113-05
Modify columns to facilitate cap -
Customer 1D
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Terms Cash
Recondition column, rails and
Date shipped
spindles. I
Shipped via
Spackle, caulk, prime, and finish
FOB
paint. Seal/Stain perch deck.
Prepaid/Collect
Touch up paint on main house
Tax exempt
only first floor exterior. (One
Reason
coat primer, and coat finish.)
Exemption no
2
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$40.00
80.00
15
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$40.00
600.00
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$97.24
97.24
Name John and Diana Matthias
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Address (lure 1) 840 Pak Ave.
1
Tuscan capital (3) split round
$424.26
424.26
Address (line 2)
(2) split square 12' Dian.
City, State or Prov South Bend, IN
1
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$213.24
213.24
Postal code, Country
wood filler, exterior spackle,
Phone 287-0735
primer, finish paint, mineral
Fax
spirits, refuse bags, 3X24 #40
Company name
belts. Eight hole #40 orbital pLJs.
5.5
Paint (Vic)10-20 @
$25.00
137.50
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Paint (Yc)10-21 @
$25.00
175.00
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Paint (Vic) 10-24 @
$25.00
200.00
Retype the following only if the name and
7.5
Paint (\lic)10-27
$25.00
187.50
address are not the same as the SOLD TO name
7.5
Paint (Vc) 10-28 @
$25.00
187.50
and address.
Note: Statement reflects labor
Name
and material cost thru Oct.28,
Address (line 1)
2005. Work is on going and
Address (line 2)
expect to be complete by Nov.
City, State or Prov.
10, 2005 Additional invoiceing
Postal code, Country
to follow.
Company name
Plenewakeekecksggkleto:
SUBTOTAL
2,302.24
Jeffrey D. Dierbeck
Sales tax %I
20214 Kem Rd.
SNIPPING i NLINOLING
South Bend, IN 46614
PAYNENTS
$2,000.00
Thank -You Have a nice dayl
PLEASE PAYTNIS AMOUNT
302.24
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Classic Stairs & Trim, Inc. Estimate
3635 N. Home Street .�
Mishawaka, IN 46545 / y� y� q� a y� i q Date Estimate #
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Dierbeck & Associates, LLC
20214 Kern Road
South Bend, IN 46614
Sales Rep Terms
JOE Due on receipt
Qty Item Description
1 NSI 12" SCAMOZZI COLUMN TOP
Thank you for your business.
Any Questions - Please Call:
Phone (574)259-8266
Fax (574)259-8277
Builder P.O.
Leeper Park Area
Job/Site
Dierbeck-68746
Price TOTAL
285.00 285.00T
Subtotal
Sales Tax (6.0%)
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$285.00
$17.10
$302.10
STAFF REPORT
CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
Date: 11/09/05
Application Number: 2005-0825 REVOCATION PROCEEDINGS
Property Location: 517 South Carroll
Property Owner: Kent Anderson
Landmark or District Designation: Taylor's Field Local Historic District
Rating: It was rated NC before the aluminum siding was removed, but would probably be rated Significant.
COURSE OF EVENTS
September 19, 2005 -- The Commission approved the removal of the aluminum siding and replacement
with vinyl siding based on information that the original wood siding underneath was in poor condition
and was rotten.
By September 26th, the aluminum siding had been removed, and the contractor was awaiting guidance
from HPC staff. On September 28`h, Catherine Hostetler, Julie Schutte, Wayne Doolittle, Lynn Patrick,
and Bob Yapp (HLFI) reviewed the progress of this project and found the old growth poplar to be in
excellent condition. Todd Zeiger reviewed the property individually.
October 17, 2005 — The Commission voted unanimously to reconsider this CoA at the November 21"
meeting based on misrepresentation of "the conditions requiring replacement of siding material."
The pertinent excerpts of minutes from the September and October meetings are included as well as the
Notice of Proceedings and photo of the exposed wood siding.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION
As the siding is in excellent condition, Staff recommends revocation of CoA 2005-0825.
Staff recommends painting the exterior of the house with oil-based primer and quality oil-based paint per
HLFI's specifications for a high-quality, long lasting paint job.
South Bend and St. Joseph County
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
227 WEST JEFFERSON BLVD.
SOUTH BEND, IN 46601-1830
Phone: 574-235-9798 Fax: 574-235-9578
e-mail: SBSJCHPC@co.st-joseph.in.us
L A. Patrick, President A Certified Local Government
Lynn Catherine D. Hostetler, Director
NOTICE OF PROCEFI)INGS TO j)F.TF,RMINE POSSIBLE REVOCATION OF
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
TO: Mr. Kent Anderson
517 Carroll Street
South Bend, IN 46601
YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that the Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend and St. Joseph County
will take action to determine whether a certificate of appropriateness issued to you on September 19, 2005 should be revoked
for the following reason:
Misrepresentation made by you to the Historic Preservation Commission as to the conditions requiring
replacement of siding material.
Hearing on whether revocation is appropriate will take place at the following:
Date: November 21, 2005
Time: 7:30 p.m. or as soon thereafter as the matter can be heard
Place: 4th Floor County -City Building, Council Meeting Room
You have the right to address the Historic Preservation Commission, to submit whatever materials or inforr,ation
you believe would be helpful to you, and to otherwise defend your position as to why the certificate of appropriateness was
properly issued.
■ Complete items 1, 2, and 3. Also complete
item 4 if Restricted Delivery is desired.
■ Print your name and address on the reverse
so that we can return the card to you.
■ Attach this card to the back of the mailplece,
or on the front if space permits.
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B. Received by ( Printed Name)I C. Date of Delivery I
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HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
OF SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
MONTHLY MEETING
September 19, 2005
MEMBERS PRESENT:
MEMBERS ABSENT:
STAFF PRESENT:
ALSO PRESENT:
4`h Floor, Council Chambers, County -City
Building, South Beud, IN
Lynn Patrick, (President)
Martha Choitz, (Vice -President)
Mary Jane Chase, (Secretary)
Catherine Hostetler, (Member)
Todd Zeiger, (Member)
Joann Sporleder, (Architectural Historian)
Gerald Ujdak, (Member)
John Oxian, (Treasurer)
Diane Wrobel-Illes, (Member)
Catherine Hostetler, (Director)
Julie Schutte, (Assistant Director)
Aladean DeRose, (City Attorney)
Kent Anderson, Barbara Witter, Phil
Pavey, (contractor), Don Sporleder, Karen
Ainsley, (NNN)
I. CALLED MEETING TO ORDER
LYNN PATRICK: Called the meeting to order at 7:33 pm.
II. PUBLIC HEARING
A. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
1. 2005-0825A; 517 Carroll Street
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: (See staff report, pictures, and siding brochure attached
to C of A in HPC meeting binder). The homeowner, Mr. Kent Anderson, was present
and so was his contractor, Mr. Phil Pavey, from P & R Construction.
PHIL PAVEY: (See application requirements on reverse side of application along with
proposed work description attached to C of A in HPC meeting binder.
MARY JANE CHASE: If the contractor puts Styrofoam insulation over the clapboards
and under the vinyl siding, will this end up trapping moisture; because, if it does, then it
would rot the original wood siding on the house.
TODD ZEIGER: Do you plan to install gutters and downspouts on the house?
KENT ANDERSON: I already have gutters and downspouts for the house stored in my
garage and I plan to have them reinstalled once the siding is done.
LYNN PATRICK: Have you or your contractor removed any of the aluminum siding to
see what condition the original wood siding is in? What is the cost going to be for this
project?
KENT ANDERSON: The siding underneath isn't in good shape. There is a part in the
back that was damaged by trees. When we pulled the aluminum siding off the wood
siding was rotten and in bad shape.
PHIL PAVEY: The cost for the project is going to be $7,000.00 dollars.
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STAFF REPORT
CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
Date: November 10, 2005
Application Number: 2005-1031
Property Location: 502 East LaSalle - Bergen Building
Property Owners: Paul J. Schmidt
Landmark or District Designation: East Race National Register District and Local Landmark
Rating: S/11
STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT:
This 1882 Victorian Italianate was built by William N. Berganand was originally a saloon with a
residence above. It was purchased by the J.C. Lauber Co. in 1975 and converted for use as an office and
storage facility.
APPLICATION ITEM: The owner wishes to demolish the building. The demolition is necessary
because the building shares a common wall and some foundation and fagade with the JC Lauber Co.
h ni l iing. JC Lauber is a going concern and family business for over 125 years in this location. Proposed
dation work at JC Lauber will either cause the Bergen Building to collapse onto the street and
sidewalk or implode.
STANDARDS: Local Landmarks Group B Standards, Section D
Demolition: Historic landmarks shall not be demolished. When a landmark poses a threat to the public
safety, and demolition is the only alternative, documentation by way of photographs, measured drawings,
or other descriptive methods should be made of both the exterior and interior of the landmark. The person
or agency responsible for demolition of the landmark shall be responsible for this documentation.
RECOMMENDATION: The Bergen Building is brick with a rubble stone foundation with apparent
severe structural problems. The walls of this building are pulling way from the flooring on the three sides
that are not attached to the Lauber Building. Any work on the Lauber Building's Foundation will cause
this structure to collapse; if work is not done to the Lauber Building then both buildings are in danger of
collapse.
Staff is consulting with Bob Yapp of Historic Landmarks Foundation of Indiana and with the Landmarks
Committee of the Historic Preservation Commission for economic remedies to this situation but will
recommend for approval of COA if none are available.
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HPC SOUTH BEND
Application
- FOR -
Certificate of Appropriateness
Hrsmric Preservation Commission of South Bend & St, Joseph County
125 S. Lafayette Blvd., South Bend, Indiana 46601
Phone: 574
MaBing Address` County -City Building, South Bend, Indiana 4660,
735 9794 Fax 574235 9578 • Fmui1, SBSJCHPCQkostyoseph in.us
Website: http://www.st osepheountyindiana mm/sichp/ind., html
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Date Received 10' 3l -2 005 -
Past Reviews: ]ES (Dare,Jtn r y�,)
Staff Approval authorized by:
pplication Number 0 05 /0,3/
❑ NO
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Historic Commission Review Date: n • a1 • ROO y Tide:
////4x Local Landmark ❑ Local Historic District (Nam,)
'❑I National Landmark National Register District (N,m,)
Certificate of Appropriateness:
❑ Denied Tabled r
❑ E] Sent To Committee []Approved and Issued
DATE
Address of Property for proposed work: -5"l 6R S T �, s c S•T
Name of Property Owner(s): (Ptevs, prior) JG, /. U Street Numbe rtnd 5 Yf Namr
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STAFF REPORT
CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
Date: 11/10/05
Application Number: 2005-1028
Property Location: 2300 Portage Avenue
Property Owner: Alderwoods Group, Toronto, Canada
Landmark or District Designation: Local Landmark — designated in 2000
Rating: Significant —12/ Notable
STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCEMISTORIC CONTEXT
Romanesque Style gatehouse designed by Claude K. Howell, notable Midwest architect in 1900
Granite masonry units are cut and constructed in much the same way as other stone buildings in the area
including Tippecanoe, Copshaholm, and the Birdsell House, which were constructed by expert German
stonemasons. They shaped granite boulders with hand tools and fitted each into the fagade.
APPLICATION ITEMS:
Demolition of the entire structure
RECOMMENDATION
This is a case of demolition by neglect. The building does not serve the needs of the cemetery
administration, so the owners have not put the necessary money into the building to maintain it nor have
they sought another use for the gatehouse. They have let it sit hoping that it will deteriorate to a point
where it would not be economically feasible to repair; thereby, tying the hands of the Commission.
In 2002, HPC's Inspector reviewed the building and found repairs were needed, especially the roof. A
letter was sent to the owners requesting repair of the building. Photos of the building were also sent to
Code Enforcement, but this building has not been placed on their agendas.
The building does need repair but it is not beyond repair. As an administrative office for a cemetery, the
building might not make enough revenue to cover maintenance costs, but other uses would certainly be
able to support the building economically. Any number of uses could be found for the building besides
cemetery administration purposes - an interfaith chapel for memorial services, an upscale restaurant,
offices, or banquet/event space.
The city may be purchasing right-of-way from the cemetery to construct a roundabout at the intersection
of Portage and Lathrop. These monies could be used for the repair building.
Staff does not recommend approval. There will be a report from the Landmarks Committee on this
matter presented at the November meeting.
Application
-FOR-
Certificate of Appropriateness
Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County
125 S. Lafayette Blvd., South Bend, Indiana 46601
Mailing Address: County -City Buildu1g, South Bend, Indiana 46601
Phone: 574-235-9798 • Fax: 574-235-9578 • Eniafl:SBSJCHPC@co.st-joseph.in.us
Website: http://www.stjosephcountyindiana.com/sjchp/index.hlmi
OFFICE USE ONLY»»» DO NOT COMPLETE ANY ENTRIES CONTAINED IN THIS BOX »»» OFFICE USE ONLY
Date Received 10 Application Number cZ 0 O S - 10AfA
Past Reviews: ❑ YES (Date of Inst Rrviete) t NO
Staff Approval authorized by: Title:
Historic Commission Review Date:
Local Landmark ❑ Local Historic District (Name)
❑ National Landmark ❑ National Register District (None)
Certificate of Appropriateness:
❑ Denied ❑ Tabled ❑ Sent To Committee ❑ Approved and Issued
DATE
Address of Property for proposed work: 2300 Portage Avenue, South Bend
Street Number and Street Naine
Name of Property Owner(s): (Pleasenrint) Alderwoods Group, Inc.
Address of Property Owner(s):
Contractor(s) Name:
Contract Company Name:
Contractor Address:
City:
Current Use of Building: varnnt
259 Yorkland Rd., Toronto, Canada, M2J 5132
Phone:
(Single Family - Midti-Family - Connmercial - Gnvennnent - Indnstriat - Vacant - etc.)
Type of Building Construction: combination wood frame and stone
(Word Frame - Brick - Stone - Stmt - Concrete - Other)
Proposed Work: ❑ In-kind ❑ Landscape ❑ New ❑ Replacement (not in-kind) ® Demolition
(more t/um mie box nmq he checked)
Description of Proposed Work: Please see attached description.
Owner/Contractor: Fax: (97L)?47-07Ro
(This office eoill correspond with only one desiy�eec
e-mail ppr;mmor(dma\*l rhor rpm
— APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS ARE LISTED ON REVERSE SIDE —
Descrit)tion of Pr000sed Work: Demolition of complete structure which is demonstrated in the
report of Mekus Studios dated September 21, 2005, a copy of which is attached hereto, marked
Exhibit "A" and made a part hereof. The structure poses a threat to public safety; rehabilitation
of the structure is not realistically feasible and is cost prohibitive (estimated at $1,807,000)
particularly inasmuch as the owner does not and cannot utilize the structure; nor is there any
reasonable likelihood that the structure can be devoted to another use due to, among other things,
its location within a privately owned cemetery.
The address for Mekus Studios is as follows:
Mekus Studios Ltd
401 East Illinois Street, Suite 401
Chicago, IL 60611
Phone: (312) 661-0778
Fax: (312)661-0980
mslna.mekusstudios.com
MEKUS STUDIOS
The purpose of this study is to evaluate the Riverview Gatehouse and define
financial parameters for returning it to its original condition.
The Riverview Cemetery was developed in 1900 when a group from South Bend
formed a stock company and purchased the James Miller estate for the purposes
of developing a suburban cemetery.
It is a significant local site being the location of the St. Joseph - Kankakee
Portage, an important link between the Mississippi and the St. Lawrence River
and the Atlantic Ocean.
Riverview Cemetery includes many significant family mausoleums which adopted
the architectural styles popular at the time they were constructed. The cemetery
is considered to have more private mausoleums than is typical elsewhere in the
upper Midwest.
Claude K. Howell, a notable Midwest architect, was responsible for the design of
the Gatehouse and Entryway. The Romanesque style is characterized by large,
rough -cut stones and stucco and half timber walls with a gable slate roof. The
front porch wraps around the front and incorporates Doric Columns on top of a
low stone wall.
At the rear of the Gatehouse is an addition that incorporates an all stucco and
half-timber wall with a gable roof. This addition seems foreign to the original build-
ing design as it does not include any rough cut stone. Additionally, the addition's
roof has asphaltic shingles and not slate like the original Gatehouse roof.
The Gatehouse was granted historic landmark status by the city of South Bend
and St. Joseph County by ordinance No. 9150-00, on October 23, 2000.
2
MEKUS STUUrUS
The existing building is currently vacant and no longer serves the administrative
4 needs of the cemetery. These activities are housed in the administrative office of
Highland Cemetery, which is right across the street.
1. Front Elevation 2. Side Elevaunn The Gatehouse (1,2,3,4) has not been maintained and is in severe disrepair. The
sidewalks around the building are cracked and have experienced differential set-
n tlement.
a
? The solution is to replace the sidewalks and replace some of the asphalt paving to
create positive drainage away from the building. New landscaping is needed to
enhance the site. The foundation wall needs to be excavated to expose the wall
a Rear EWMon 4. sideElevabon for new waterproofing on the wall. The addition of drain tile would also help move
water away from the basement walls. The foundation wall needs to be rebuilt
underneath the low porch wall (5). As for the building, the entire skin needs to be
removed and rebuilt. The stone walls are in decent condition, but all trim, slate,
gutters, walls and windows need replacement, stripped down to bare structure
`
;q. Y and rebuilt. (6)
a
5 Foundation Wall Y
7 Chimney
6 Exterior
Replacement of stone chimney is needed (7). The roof and building envelope is in
desperate need of repair. Windows are broken and rotten (8), the stucco is
cracked and significant areas of wood trim and half timber are rotten. There are
numerous holes in the roof allowing the elements to the inside.
The Gatehouse has stone foundation walls which are deteriorating under the
porch wall (5). Additionally, the stone walls show signs of moisture infiltration.
All windows are simple pane glass in wood, double hung sash. Many sashes and
glass panes are broken, allowing the elements to get inside(8). All windows should
be replaced with an insulating glass unit with aluminum exterior cladding in dou-
ble hung configuration.
3
9 Roof
M�
11. Ceiling
10 Trim & Gutters
13. Reetmom
16. Heating Systems
MEKUS STUDIOS
The existing roof has numerous holes, broken slate and disintegrating sheathing.
Gutters are missing entirely or rotting in place. Valley flashings are in disrepair (9).
The solution is to remove all roofing and trim down to structure. Reinforcement of
the structure is needed to accommodate a new slate roof, provide a new copper
flashing, gutters, sheathing, ice and water shield, felt, slate and wood trim (10).
The interior space is in a state of severe deterioration. The ceiling and walls are
all peeling, cracking and contain mold and moisture (11). Animals have nested in
the ceiling spaces and have damaged many areas of the ceiling (12). The interior
space does not meet ADA and needs to incorporate these standards to make the
building accessible (13). The finished wood floors are cupped and warped from
moisture coming through the roof and ceiling. The stairs are non-compliant and
need replacement.
All wood lathe and plaster needs to be removed and replaced (14). All the wood
trim need to be evaluated and new trim added (15). All wood floors should be
replaced. Some doors and frames are salvageable, but new doors and frames
need to be added. New ADA restrooms need to be added. Stairs need to be
replaced and reconfigured for better access to the second floor and basement.
The existing heating system is antiquated and non-functional. The existing boiler
and piping systems are in disrepair. The hot water heater is the newest piece of
equipment, but will need replacement (16).
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17. Basement Piping 18 Piping
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R 20, ElectivaI Panel
ism
19. Electnwl Service
MEKUS STU[ i_DS
The plumbing systems are non-functional. The sump pump is located in the base-
ment floor and is temporarily inside. All steam piping is deteriorated and the sani-
tary piping has many "patches" on the line (17).
The one bath is inoperative and does not meet code. Removal of all the plumbing
piping is needed and redone with new waste and vent piping. Relocation of the
sump pump to the perimeter wall for easier discharge. Develop two (2) new ADA
compliant restrooms.
Where as some electrical is still on the building, the wiring is very antiquated and
not code compliant (19). The electrical service in the basement is outdated and
needs to be replaced (20).
Removal of all electrical service and sub -distribution wiring, boxes and devices
will be needed to provide new service, panels, conduit, wiring and devices per
code.
MEKUS STUDIOS
ITEM BUDGET
Demolition - Building Skin
$
70,000
Site Cleaning
$
5,000
Excavation
$
12,000
Waterproofing
$
15,000
Foundation Repair
$
25,000
Stone Repair
$
30,000
Rough Carpentry
$
200,000
Finish Carpentry
$
150,000
Exterior Skin
Stucco
$
75,000
Half Timber
$
50,000
Roof
$
180,000
Windows
$
80,000
Doors/Frames
$
15,000
Plaster
$
100,000
Wood Trim
$
80,000
Painting
$
50,000
Ceramic Tile
$
5,000
Carpet
$
15,000
Wood Floor
$
30,000
Elevator
$
65,000
HVAC
$
30,000
Plumbing
$
25,000
Fire Protection
$
10,000
Electrical
$
50.000
Subtotal
$1,367,000
Contingency 15%
$
205.050
Subtotal
$1,572,050
General Conditions/OHP 15%
$
235.808.
Total
$1,807,858
REPORT ON NAVARRE CABIN BY JOANN SPORLEDER
Hi Catherine and Julie,
Thanks for the note and NICH update. Don
is meeting with David at the Center for History
Facilities and Grounds committee meeting this
noon, and will note to him that I am still of the
same opinion as when we spoke.
The issues raised about the Navarre 'cabin' were
1. Stone fireplace not to be reconstructed.
Early (1890?) photos show no
exterior fireplace chimney and other Navarre
records indicate that cast iron wood -burning
stoves were most likely used,
2. Limestone piers: May or may not have
been used originally, but keeping the lower logs
off the ground will help keep them from rotting.
3. Wood floors are an interior matter and no concern of HPC
4. Daubing: Use of contemporary .
materials such as wire mesh, plastic insulation
infill and "mortar with a high cement and sand
ratio seem inconsistent with either
rehabilitation or restoration guidelines.
However, the need to make a more permanent
daubing for ease of maintenance could be allowed
in this reconstruction of the' cabin", because
the logs are to be left exposed rather than be
covered with siding as this (and most log houses)
was usually done.
5.Gable ends: Proposed framing with
siding was questioned because currently existing
structure has exposed logs in gable ends.
Meeting with David B. and Todd Z. and referencing
older photos of "cabin" continued to be
inconclusive. ( photo show horizontal siding, but
also shows furring strips on logs were siding had
been removed.) I would like to suggest
that the commission give NICH the option of
either: Use horizontal siding over framing, OR
Use logs as it currently looks, basing their
decision on the physical evidence that is
encountered as the building is dismantled; and
further, that NICH report their findings and
decision to HPC for our records.
I believe this reflects my conversation with
David Bainbridge. So in effect my
recommendation to the commission is to approve
the COA as submitted with the addition of the
alternate on the Gable ends.
Thanks, Hope this helps. Joann
>David Bainbridge just called wanting to know if
>you still were of the same opinion on the Cabin
>as when you spoke with him. Since we won't have
>your report until the day of the meeting, you
>may want to touch base with him on the Cabin
>issues•if any are posing a concern. David will
>be at the meeting on Monday evening 11/21. Also,
>Cheryl Taylor is no longer the Director at NICH.
>Catherine
NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION STAFF REPORT
PROPERTY— Walker Field Shelterhouse
1305 Ewing Avenue
South Bend, Indiana
OWNER— South Bend Parks & Recreation, Phil St. Clair, Supt.
STANDARDS
The nomination proposes to list this resource in the New Deal Work Relief Projects in
Saint Joseph County, Indiana Multiple Property Listing as a property "associated with
New Deal work projects related to parks and recreation (1933-1942)." The nomination
also proposes placement of this resource under the above thematic listing based on
National Register Criteria A: Event and C: Design/Construction.
Under these criteria, a property retains significance through its "association with events
that have made a significant contribution to the broad patterns of our history," and its
"[embodiment of] the distinctive characteristics of a type, period, or method of
construction or represents the work of a master, or possesses high artistic values, or
represents a significant and distinguishable entity whose components lack individual
distinction."
The New Deal Work Relief Projects in St. Joseph County, Indiana Multiple Property
Listing Registration Requirements for New Deal resources related to parks and recreation
further guides the review of the Walker Field Shelterhouse nomination. The Registration
Requirements note that "besides possessing significance, to be listed in the National
Register [this resource] must meet criteria based on the seven aspects of integrity —
location, setting, design, materials, workmanship, association, feeling — as described in
NPS Bulletin 15, How to Aoolv the National Reeister Criteria for Evaluation."
RECOMMENDATION
The resource meets criterion A; it is associated with one of the wide sweeping New Deal
Programs, the Works Progress Administration (WPA), and the development of public
recreation facilities in the 1930s. It meets criterion C as an example of a structure
designed and constructed by the WPA.
Per the Registration Requirements, the Walker Field Shelterhouse remains in its original
location adjacent to the Walker Field baseball diamond and original setting in a
recreation facility. The design, materials, and workmanship of the shelterhouse are all
characteristic of the buildings and structures produced by the New Deal Work Relief
Programs in the last 1930s, specifically those related to parks and recreation. The
structure retains its original open -aired wading pool, granite facades, and concrete
architectural details. Because of the presence of the above five components of the
shelterhouse's integrity, the building has retained a great deal of the feeling of and
association to the 1930s and the New Deal work relief projects. The building also meets
the Registration Requirements for park related resources.
HPC Staff favorably recommends the nomination of the Walker Field Shelterhouse
to the National Register of Historic Places under the New Deal Work Relief Projects
in St. Joseph County Multiple Property Listing. Staff also recommends that the
Commission send a favorable recommendation to the Mayor of South Bend and to
the State Historic Preservation Office.
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Walker Field Shelterhouse St. Joseph County IN
NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION
Walker Field lies on the southwest side of South Bend, the seat of
St. Joseph County. Directly north of and contiguous with Rum
Village Park, the recreational area is on the north side of Ewing
Street between Walnut and Webster streets, taking up a large city
block. It contains playing fields and playground equipment,
allowing Rum Village Park to remain a heavily wooded "natural"
area used for hiking and picnicking.
The shelterhouse (photos 1,2,3), which contains restrooms and
storage rooms, stands at the south end of Walker Field. The
shelterhouse is split -rock masonry inside and out, using the
fieldstone that is abundant in the county. The stones, which are
mostly granite, are close -fitted with narrow mortar joints, and
the concrete trim is formed in such a way as to strongly resemble
limestone. The foundation is concrete and the roof is covered in
asphalt shingles. An inscribed limestone tablet on the east side
of the building identifies it as a product of the Federal Works
Progress Administration (photo 4). A stone chimney (see photos
1,3), capped with concrete, is near the east end of the gabled
roof. Overall, the structure is T-shaped, with an east -west
oriented gabled building facing Ewing Avenue with three segmental
arched openings, with a northward roofless extension that
surrounds a large wading pool. On each side (east and west) of
this extension are five segmental arched openings (see photos
2,5), matching the openings on the south main facade and the north
rear of the building. The pool area itself is roofless; the west
and east walls with the arched openings are each topped with a
gabled roof supported by knee braces (photos 5,6), giving the
impression of a clerestory. The north end of each wall is marked
with a substantial stone abutment capped with a concrete parapet
(see photo 5).
The north end of the pool area (photo 6) is enclosed with a low
wall, at the center of which is a larger stone -and -concrete
abutment with a blank tablet in the center facing the pool. There
is no indication that there was ever any inscription in this
space, although it does contain a geometric pattern. Beneath the
blank tablet is set a concrete -capped bench, lower than the wall.
The wading pool, which has not been used for many years, is
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surrounded by a low concrete wall with an opening on the south end
(photos 6,7,8). At one time fountains in the pool continually
sprayed water upwards and aerated it. The pool is less than two
feet deep: At present it is filled with a substantial layer of
silt in which weeds are growing.
The building has been the target of vandalism over the last decade
or so, and the restrooms are unlocked only when scheduled events,
such as ball games, take place. The restrooms are located on the
east and west sides of the building and access to each is inside.
To the north of each is a locked storage room (see photo 9).
Between the doors of the storage room and the restroom on the east
side of the interior is a large stone fireplace. Centered above
the fireplace opening is a bronze plaque listing the city and park
officials at the time of construction, and centered in the chimney
above that is a blank circular concrete inset. The interior floor
is brick, laid in a diagonal pattern. In the center of the
interior on the northside is a concrete concession counter (photo
10) with access at its west end. It is flanked by two arched
openings in the north wall leading to the pool area. The area
around the pool is paved with brick (photo 7), continuing the
diagonal pattern.
NARRATIVE STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE
As described in the associated property type "New Deal Work
Projects Related to Parks and Recreation," the Walker Field
shelterhouse is eligible for the National Register of Historic
Places under Criterion A in the areas of recreation and social
history because it is associated with the New Deal's work programs
and recreational development in the 1930s. It is also eligible
under Criterion C because the building is representative of the
work and style of architecture typical of the WPA in St. Joseph
County. The building meets the standards of integrity as set
forth in the multiple property nomination "New Deal Work Projects
in St. Joseph County." The building is in its original location
and original setting. The design and materials remain intact, and
the resources are representative of and associated with typical
WPA workmanship, specifically, the stone construction.
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Rum Village Park was a forested area at the southwest edge of
South Bend that had been set aside for a "natural Indiana
landscape" park. Relief workers in 1933 built a system of
roadways through the park, which was meant to be kept for
picnicking, hiking, and similar pursuits. In 1937 the idea of
placing a modern circular swimming pool surrounded by a sand
beach --a design that had been installed in other Indiana cities
using WPA labor (e.g., Madison) --at Rum village was forwarded, but
the notion died. The following spring the South Bend City Council
authorized the board of park commissioners to purchase one city
block immediately north of the park, approximately 4.2 acres,
across Ewing Avenue for a playground and playing fields. The land
cost $7500, to be paid over five years, interest-free. Since no
down payment for the land was required, the full appropriation of
$10,000 could be used for equipment and materials. WPA would
provide the labor. The focal point of Walker Field would be the
multiple -purpose shelter house that served the several types of
playing fields. The configurations, locations, and purposes of
the various playing fields have changed somewhat over time, but
the shelterhouse, even though much vandalized, is still used on
occasion. Its wading pool, certainly the most beautiful of its
type in the county, is not. Wading pools were particularly
favored in New Deal park and playground development. They
provided a means of getting cool and splashing about in fun, and
were vastly less expensive than swimming pools. Several wading
pools, most of which were far more modest, were constructed in
South Bend and Mishawaka, but all closed in the 1950s because of
polio fears. Many of these were later torn out --there had been
one at Leeper Park in South Bend, for example --but, happily, this
one has survived.
Architect Otto Julius (O.J.) Goffeney (1887-1941) designed the
attractive but functional building to house restrooms, storage
rooms, and a concession stand, with a large wading pool off the
rear (north) in an atrium -like setting reminiscent of a Roman
villa. The use of fieldstone so typical of northern Indiana WPA
projects was dictated as much by necessity as design; fieldstone
was a readily available local material and its use, along with
concrete rather limestone, kept the costs down.
That Goffeney was hired to design a WPA project does not
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necessarily indicate a reversal in fortunes; highly skilled and
professional people that were needed on a given project were hired
from normal ranks, if none were to be found on relief. Goffeney
partnered with South Bend architects William Fett and Clarence
Pearson in the firm of Fett, Pearson & Goffeney, located in the
Associates Building downtown, in the 1920s and 30s. The firm
designed a variety of buildings in the South Bend area, including
several filling stations (none are known to survive), and took on
numerous remodeling projects, such as adding a mezzanine to the
city's premier department store, Robertson's, in 1930. In about
that same year, Goffeney is believed to have designed the French
Eclectic home at 414 North Ironwood, a property that he owned
until 1933. His health began to deteriorate in the 1930s, however,
and he died of his heart ailment in May 1941.
MAJOR BIBLIOGRAPHICAL REFERENCES
(See Bibliography, New Deal Resources in St. Joseph County
Multiple Property Listing)
VERBAL BOUNDARY DESCRIPTION
Starting from the north curb of Ewing Street at a point three feet
west of the edge of the building, proceed due north 148 feet, east
76 feet, south 148 feet, and west 76 feet to the point of origin.
BOUNDARY JUSTIFICATION
The boundary surrounds the building at a distance of three feet on
the west, north, and east, and includes its frontage to the curb.
PHOTOGRAPHS
Unless otherwise noted, the following is the same for all
photographs:
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1. Walker Field Shelterhouse
2. St. Joseph County IN
3. Glory -June Greiff
5. Negatives on file w/Historian-at-Large, 1753 South Talbott,
Indianapolis IN 46225
Individual photos:
4. 2/05
6. looking Nw
7. Photo 1
4. looking NE from near Ewing Avenue
6. 2/05
7. Photo 2
4. looking SW from playground
6. 6/05
7. Photo 3
4. looking W at tablet in exterior E wall
6. 2/05
7. Photo 4
4. looking SW toward pool area
6. 2/05
7. Photo 5
4. looking NNW from rear (N) entrance of shelter
6. 6/05
7. Photo 6
4. looking SSW from former pool
6. 6/05
7. Photo 7
4. looking SSE from N edge of pool
6. 8/05
7. Photo 8
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4. interior detail, looking E
6. 6/05
7. Photo 9
4. interior, looking NNW at concession counter
6. 6/05
7. Photo 10
4. looking NNW from slope in Rum Village Park, across Ewing Avenue
6. 2/05
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PROPERTY — North Liberty Park
309 North Jefferson Street
North Liberty, Indiana
OWNER— Town of North Liberty
STANDARDS
The nomination proposes to list this resource in the New Deal Work Relief Projects Lt Saint
Joseph County, Indiana Multiple Property Listing as a property "associated with New Deal
work projects related to parks and recreation (1933-1942)." The nomination also proposes
placement of this resource under the above thematic listing based on National Register Criteria
A: Event and C: Design/Construction.
Under these criteria, a property retains significance through its "association with events that
have made a significant contribution to the broad patterns of our history," and its
"[embodiment of] the distinctive characteristics of a type, period, or method of construction or
represents the work of a master, or possesses high artistic values, or represents a significant
and distinguishable entity whose components lack individual distinction."
The New Deal Work Relief Projects in St. Joseph County, Indiana Multiple Property Listing
Registration Requirements for New Deal resources related to parks and recreation further
guides the review of the North Liberty Park. The Registration Requirements note that
"besides possessing significance, to be listed in the National Register [this resource] must
meet criteria based on the seven aspects of integrity — location, setting, design, materials,
workmanship, association, feeling — as described in NPS Bulletin 15, How to A_n_nly_ the
National Register Criteria for Evaluation."
RECOMMENDATION
The resource meets criterion A; it is associated with one of the many New Deal Programs, the
Works Progress Administration (WPA), and the development of public recreation facilities in
the 1930s. It meets criterion C as a collection of buildings, structures, and objects designed
and constructed by the WPA for recreation purposes. The collection illustrates the wide range
of features the WPA built within a single park with local material — stairways and walls,
flowerbeds and benches, fisheries and wading pools, overflow water conduits, and bathhouses
and bandstands. The property as a whole does "[represent] a significant and distinguishable
entity."
Per the Registration Requirements for park related resources, the North Liberty Park is in its
original location on Potato Creek and original park setting. The design, materials, and
workmanship of the collection of buildings, structures, and objects are all characteristic of
those produced by the New Deal Work Relief Programs in the late 1930s, specifically those
related to parks and recreation. The park has retained much of the feeling of a 1930s park,
despite more recent additions, as well as its association to the WPA and the New Deal. The
park does meet these requirements for integrity and significance.
HPC staff favorably recommends the nomination of North Liberty Park to the National
Register of Historic Places under the New Deal Work Relief Projects in St. Joseph County
Multiple Property Listing. Staff also recommends that the Commission send a favorable
recommendation to the North Liberty Town Council, the County Commissioners, and
the State Historic Preservation Office.
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Historic Places and meets the procedural and professional requirements set forth in 36 CFR Part 60. In my opinion, the property
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North Liberty Park
LIST OF RESOURCES
St. Joseph County IN
Two contributing buildings: former bathhouse, bandstand
Three non-contributing buildings: an open frame picnic shelter
with hipped roof and two open frame picnic shelters with gable
roofs
Three contributing structures: remains of dam (with pedestrian
bridge), former pool basin (including concrete check dams),
fieldstone bridge abutments
One non-contributing structure: concrete bridge over former dam
Two contributing objects: fieldstone planter, fieldstone bench
One non-contributing object: stone memorial
One contributing site (the entire park), which includes the low
stone wall along the bottom of the hill, two stone corner
entrances, a pair of entrance posts, three sets of fieldstone
steps down the hill, and a circular fieldstone ruin in the
northwest corner of the park
NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION
North Liberty Community Park, originally called simply North
Liberty Park or City Park, lies on the northwest side of the small
town of North Liberty in southwestern St. Joseph County, Indiana.
The park is located on Jefferson Street, north of the extension of
West Market Street. The park encompasses a little under seven
acres and is essentially rectangular with a trapezoidal piece
missing at the southwest corner. Potato Creek runs southward
through the park, and a small parcel of land west of the creek
just north of the extension of Market Street is privately owned.
The east edge of the park is at street level, but most of the
property is downhill from there in a little valley that is the
flood plain of the creek. A chainlink fence marks the boundary of
the park except on the east and part of the south. West of the
creek the land is all wooded. East of the creek more than half of
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the area is open land, with some wooded area at the north end.
Along Jefferson Street, at Mill Street near the northeast corner
of the park and at Market Street, at the southeast corner of the
property, are paired fieldstone walls forming an entrance at each
location. They are similar but not identical. The northern
entrance (photo 1) leads into a curved stone wall forming a sort
of overlook to the picnic groves below; this feature is not
present at the southward entrance (photo 2). A pair of
fieldstone posts lies between the two entrances described above,
closer to the north entrance, but roughly at the midpoint of the
eastern boundary line of the park (top of one is visible at right
in photo 3). Just northwest of the entrance posts is a small
stone memorial structure (see photos 3,4), affixed to which is a
bronze plaque dated 1946, commemorating those who served in World
War II. The structure may have been part of the original WPA
work; there is an upright pipe with a faucet attached coming up
through the concrete at the base. There are three sets of
fieldstone steps leading down into the park. One curves down from
the north end of the north entrance (photo 1); a second (photos
3,5) curves southwesterly, southwest of the pair of entrance
posts, and the third set heads downhill northwest from a little
distance northwest of the south entrance.
Built into the hillside just northwest of the middle set of steps
is a small square building of fieldstone with stone steps on its
uphill (east) side leading to its flat roof (photos 3,4,5,6). The
north and south elevations each have two window openings, and
there are double doors on the west, facing toward the creek. The
building was a bandstand but also functioned as a storage shed for
tools. A low stone wall (photos 1,6) runs along the bottom of the
hill from this building to the north edge of the park.
West of the south entrance down the hill is a baseball field that
does not appear to be used a great deal (partly visible in photo
1). Its south boundary runs along Market Street. The park once
had five fish rearing ponds, and two were located in this general
area. Leading northwest from the baseball field is a concrete
bridge that will support small vehicles, probably built in the
1950s or later, placed almost over what remains of a dam
constructed in the 1930s (photo 7). Much of the dam is still in
place, but its iron gates are missing. Directly over the dam is a
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small concrete -and -iron pedestrian bridge, also built in the
1930s. The dam had created a pool in Potato Creek, the outline of
which is marked on the west side of the creek by a low concrete
wall and a fieldstone wall, part of which is terraced (photo 8).
At the top of the terracing is a small fieldstone building, the
former bath house, which contains restrooms (photos 8,10). The
small flat -roofed rectangular building has two window openings on
the west and one each on the north and south. All are bricked
except the one on the south. On the east are two doors, the
entrances to the restrooms. Upstream (northward) from the former
dam is a footbridge. The wooden bridge itself is a more recent
replacement, but the fieldstone abutments on both sides are the
original, built in the 1930s. On the north side of the west
abutment is a fieldstone -lined runoff drain (photo 9). Tucked in
the northwest corner of the park in an unmown tangle of brambles
is a fieldstone ruin, a low wall that forms about three-quarters
of a circle. It is too overgrown now to identify, but it had been
a fireplace oven with a circular bench.
There are three open frame picnic shelters in the park. One, with
a hipped roof covered in asphalt shingles and eight upright
timbers supporting it, is west of the creek, north of the bath
house (photo 10). This replaced a similar but slightly larger
shelter in the same location that had been built by the WPA. The
other two are east of the creek near the north end of the park,
downhill and northwest of the north entrance. These two are
essentially identical (see photo 11), with gabled roofs and each
with six huge timber uprights supporting it. These were probably
constructed in the 1960s. A play area that contains a two-tiered
fieldstone planter is near them (photo 11). Three small fish
rearing ponds were originally located in this area, from the 1930s
into the early 1960s. Not far away, a single fieldstone bench
sits near the northeast corner of the park (photo 12).
NARRATIVE STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE
Nestled in a little valley on both sides of Potato Creek, North
Liberty Community Park is a particularly attractive example of a
small town park developed by the Works Progress Administration in
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the 1930s, using local labor and materials readily at hand, in
this case, the ubiquitous fieldstone of northern Indiana. As
described in the associated property type "New Deal work projects
related to parks and recreation," North Liberty Park is eligible
for the National Register under Criterion A in the areas of
recreation and social history because it is associated with the
New Deal's work programs and recreational development in the
1930s. It is also eligible under Criterion C because the site as
a whole, and its individual resources; the bathhouse, the
bandstand, the stone planter, the fieldstone walls and steps, et
al., are representative of the work and style of architecture and
park site development typical of the WPA in St. Joseph County.
The park meets the standards of integrity as set forth in the
mi}ltiple property nomination "New Deal Work Projects in St. Joseph
County." The resources are representative of and associated with
typical WPA workmanship, specifically, the fieldstone
construction.
The land that became North Liberty Park had been part of a farm
originally owned by Daniel R. McKenzie. His Italianate farmhouse
still stands at the northeast edge of the park just outside the
boundary. A barn once stood to the south on what is now park
land. McKenzie, in partnership with Henry Bowen, ran a grist mill
in the 1870s and 1880s that stood north of the house. It had
closed by the turn of the century. David Hay purchased the house
and farm in 1902, and it was from the Hay family that the city
acquired the land for the park in about 1934.
A Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) camp was established south of
South Bend on New Road in 1935. Set up primarily to handle public
drainage projects, the company of young men at CCC Camp D-3 ("D"
for "drainage") worked mostly digging ditches in the county's
marshy areas and occasionally building small dams to help control
flooding. Potato Creek had a long history of flooding; evidence
suggests that CCC boys from Camp D-3 constructed the dam in Potato
Creek that created the pool soon used for swimming.
President Roosevelt established the WPA in 1935, and Indiana was
quick to get projects underway that summer, including work on the
development of North Liberty's new park. A second project was
undertaken in 1937 to further develop the park. WPA workers
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constructed ornamental fieldstone entrances, steps down into the
park, a footbridge over the creek, a bandstand atop a sturdy
fieldstone tool shed, and other fieldstone features. They
outlined the swimming pool with fieldstone and built a bath house.
They also built three timber picnic shelters, but all have been
replaced. They created a total of five fish rearing ponds --a
common feature in 1930s parks --in the southeast and northeast
corners of the park.
After World War II, a small veterans memorial was created near the
north entrance, but in the.years following, maintenance on the
park began to deteriorate. The fish rearing ponds, which had been
maintained by the local Conservation Club, were drained sometime
in the early 1960s, after the state government took over control
of that activity in fish hatcheries. A baseball diamond occupies
the place where the shallow ponds were at the south end of the
park, and on the north end, the greater space allowed for more
picnic tables. The original timber picnic shelters were rebuilt or
replaced in the 1960s. The swimming pool, its outline still
readily visible, was allowed to drain probably around this time as
well. Nevertheless, even with these changes, North Liberty Park
maintains a high degree of integrity with its wealth of fieldstone
construction that so clearly identifies it as a project of the
WPA.
North Liberty Park is eligible for the National Register under
Criterion A in the areas of recreation and social history because
it is associated with the New Deal's work programs and
recreational development in the 1930s. It is also eligible under
Criterion C because the site as a whole and its individual
resources are representative of the work and style of architecture
and park site development typical of the WPA in St. Joseph County.
MAJOR BIBLIOGRAPHICAL
(See Bibliography, New Deal Work Project Resources in St. Joseph
County Multiple Property Listing)
Archives, Walkerton Area Historical Society.
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Interview with Alfred Heim, North Liberty native and brother of
John Heim, who supervised the park work in the 1930s, and Richard
Heim, one of the WPA workers who did the stone work in the park.
30 October 2005.
Karst, Frederick. Potato Creek: From Pioneer Mill Stream to Gentle
Lake. South Bend 1980.
VERBAL BOUNDARY DESCRIPTION
Starting at a point at the northwest corner of Jefferson Street
and Market Street, at the corner edge of the curb, proceed 651
feet north along Jefferson Street and its northward extension;
from there go due west 476.5 feet; from there due south 519.5
feet; thence east 113 feet; thence southwesterly 135 feet to a
point 426 feet due west of the point of origin; thence easterly
426 feet along Market Street and its westward extension to the
point of origin.
BOUNDARY JUSTIFICATION
The boundary of the historic district is the boundary of the park.
PHOTOGRAPHS
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Indianapolis IN 46225
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6. looking NW at south entrance from Mill & Jefferson streets
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6. looking NE toward middle set of steps and memorial beyond
7. Photo 3
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6. looking SSW from N entrance toward playing field
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6. looking E toward pumphouse
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6. looking S toward pumphouse
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6. looking ESE at remains of dam and bridges
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6. looking WSW toward bath house across Potato Creek
7. Photo 8
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6. looking W toward detail, runoff drain and west bridge abutment
7. Photo 9
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6. looking SW toward picnic shelter and bath house beyond
7. Photo 10
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HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
OF SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
MONTHLY MEETING
October 17, 2005 4'h Floor, Council Chambers, County -City
Building, South Bend, IN
MEMBERS PRESENT: Martha Choitz, (Vice -President)
Mary Jane Chase, (Secretary)
Catherine Hostetler, (Member)
Todd Zeiger, (Member)
Joann Sporleder, (Architectural Historian)
John Oxian, (Treasurer)
Diane Wrobel-Illes, (Member)
MEMBERS ABSENT: Lynn Patrick, (President)
Gerald Ujdak, (Member)
STAFF PRESENT: Catherine Hostetler, (Director)
Julie Schutte, (Assistant Director)
Aladean DeRose, (City Attorney)
ALSO PRESENT: Don Sporleder, Sheryl Vernon
I. CALLED MEETING TO ORDER
MARTHA CHOITZ: Called the meeting to order at 7:30 pm.
H. PUBLIC HEARING
A. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS
1. 2005-0906; 930 Riverside Drive -motion to remove from agenda
MARTHA CHOITZ: I will make a motion that we remove this C of A from the
meeting agenda because the owners are contemplating some major changes in their
drawings.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
2. 2005-1005; Navarre Cabin Restoration in Leeper Park
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: (See staff report, pictures and work description for cabin
attached to C of A in HPC meeting binder).
MARTHA CHOITZ: Todd, you're on the committee that is overseeing this project; so
we would like to hear any comments you would like to make on this.
TODD ZEIGER: I will recuse myself from the vote since I am on the project
committee. I will be happy to answer any questions you may have. This is a project
between the Northern Indiana Center for History Historical Society, the Historic
Preservation Commission, and the Historic Landmarks Foundation of Indiana to bring a
little more historic accuracy to the Navarre cabin. There is partial funding by the Indiana
Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology, and the Historical Society is
providing the match to do a variety of items that have been described.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Is it absolutely documented that this cabin was in fact built c.
1820?
TODD ZEIGER: My role in this was to take the study that was done by Vic
Leatherwood, who was hired by the Historical Society as a consultant in log cabin design
and restoration, and turn the report into specifications. All of the research was done a
year or so ago through the Historical Society's archives. So, as far as the dates are
concerned, you would need to refer to them. I am not the expert on this.
JOANN SPORLEDER: The specifications here do not specify the log type or the
species. I think it should at least state that these are to be hardwood logs; because, soft
wood logs would be inappropriate. I am not sure what the existing ones are; but,
whatever the existing logs are should be noted and the replacement logs should be
consistent with the log species type: Oak, popular, maple, etc.
TODD ZEIGER: The logs that are being replaced are ones that were inappropriately put
into the log cabin over the past forty years or so. I would say that nearly a hundred
percent of the logs that are being completely replaced are logs that were inappropriately
installed over the years and in other attempted restorations. The specifications going to
the contractor do note wood species.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Then when we get down to Chinkine; it says, "to replace
throughout the structure." That is probably a good idea. "The daubing formula and
material specifications must be reviewed and approved by the state historical architect."
That part sounds good. But, then we come to, "and must match the color and texture of
existing chinking." So from what you have just said, which I suspect is quite true, is that
the existing chinking is not historical and it probably is in itself incorrect. So I think that
some research should be done on what the probable original chinking is, if this project is
meant to take the log house back its original characteristics. I think more research should
be done or more specifics should be given or leave out the wording about the existing
chinking. Maybe something could or should be said that refers to trying to understand
what the original chinking would be. Windows and Door Replacement -- that part
sounds okay to me. I presume when you get the 6 over 6 light that some serious attempt
will be made to get wavy glass.
TODD ZEIGER: Yes, if possible.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I am okay with the roof replacement. Why are they removing
the chimney? I know that is not the original chimney, but there probably was a chimney.
TODD ZEIGER: Not according to the research that was done. The type of chimney
that is there is inappropriate.
JOANN SPORLEDER: So what would have been the original heat source for the
cabin?
TODD ZEIGER: I don't have that information with me tonight.
JOANN SPORLEDER: If there had been a chimney, and I suspect that there probably
was a chimney originally, it was probably a log chimney that was daub with mud and
other stuff stuffed on the inside of it.
TODD ZEIGER: That obviously is a conjecture. We don't have photographs and to be
honest with the scope of work that's contemplated, it is not going to support additional
construction outside what's been specified just from a cost standpoint. The idea was to
work on the cabin itself and then raise additional dollars as were available to do other
work as it comes along.
JOHN OXIAN: If you're going to remove the chimney, you can't just say you're going
to remove the chimney and say you'll think about it and someday in the future you will
put it back in again. Are you going to come back and apply for another C of A on that?
No. So, I think if you're going to say something like this, then you need to go back and
mention that in the C of A.
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TODD ZEIGER: To say that we're not going to come for another C of A is not
necessarily the case. We would absolutely come back for another C of A when there is
research done on what was there.
JOHN OXIAN: I can't go along with that part of it.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Is there any indication that the logs on that end where the
chimney currently is are all replacement logs or are any of those original logs?
TODD ZEIGER: It is a mixture. The cabin has been heavily modified over the past one
hundred and seventy-five years.
JOANN SPORLEDER: The other part that concerns me is the intention in the gable
ends of stopping the logs and then building a frame with lap siding. If this cabin were
really built in the 1820's, I think that dimension lumber or framing timbers were not
readily available, and that would be an anachronism of sorts and probably ought to be
looked at very, very carefully before one does something different other then stacking up
these logs which admittedly looks a little bit strange. These are probably all replacement
logs; because, logs stacked up that way tend to not be very stable. I have some serious
doubts as to whether the original cabin would have had a framing piece inside it.
TODD ZIEGER: I have no comment. I can't answer the question. All I can tell you is
that the cabin expert that was hired to do the analysis on the structure made these
recommendations and he bases that on his experience at looking at hundreds of cabins
and doing analysis on hundreds of cabins and that was why he was retained. He is one of
the experts in the country and so we took his specifications and had them reviewed by the
State Historic Preservation Office. They have been signed off by the State Historic
Preservation Office, and they have approved [the specs] for release. I am not an expert
on cabins and I took Vic Leatherwoods' expertise and turned it into specifications.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Having recently visited New Salem - I know those are all
restored cabins - but they have done a lot of research down there in Illinois on cabins and
Lincoln's New Salem. The time frame is the same, the 1830's to the 1850's, when Salem
came and went. I don't think there are any framed structures in the gables, but that could
be researched. I don't personally care how it's done, but if it's being done with the
intention of restoring it to its original condition I think we need to be somewhat more
careful about that sort of thing. Unless there is some documentation that framing timbers
were available in the 1830's to do what is being proposed, I would suggest that this is an
anachronistic addition to the log cabin.
JOHN OXIAN: I think there are too many gaps in this and the person who put this
together should be here to answer these questions if we are going to be asked to approve
this C of A.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Is this actually being worked on yet, Todd?
TODD ZEIGER: No, we've just released the specifications to begin to start to collect
bids. There's some pre-bid meetings set up and there has absolutely been no work
started. There hasn't even been a bid yet. We're just in the beginning phases of
gathering information and seeking the necessary approvals; the first one was the State
Historic Preservation Office because they have funded the grant. They had to be first
before we could bring it here and they signed off on. It now it's on this agenda. So we're
just working through the process.
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MARTHA CHOITZ: I think that we should table this for a month and have John and
Joann both write their opinions and anyone else who has any and give them to the staff
and have Todd Zeiger work with the group.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: The state has already signed off on it, but if it's the
policy of the commission to override the state and hold up the grant monies and the
whole project, then staff should have been notified when the commissioners received
their packets on Saturday a week ago that they expected to have someone here from the
state or the person that put together this proposal.
JOHN OXIAN: We always do. When we have something from a property owner
doesn't the property owner usually appear? If we have some major questions and the
property owner isn't here, we usually table it and ask them to come back the next time.
So, why shouldn't we be doing it for this?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: The expert that they have is from out of state, John. So
we would have had to have some contact prior to right now.
JOHN OXIAN: There should be some type of expert here locally who is going to be
overseeing and inspecting this project to make sure that everything that is being proposed
in this C of A is done correctly.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I am raising these questions because I have done a fair amount
of research for years and years on log houses. I have been involved with the moving and
restoration of several log houses in Illinois. I am somewhat familiar with some of the
items mentioned in this C of A. If we're not trying to get it back to an 1830's look then
what is being proposed here; I guess, is a perfectly legitimate thing to be doing in
restoring the log cabin which obviously needs some attention because probably some of
the logs are deteriorating as well as other things about it.
TODD ZEIGER: The intent of the grant was to simply address a variety of substantial
issues with the Navarre log cabin. The Navarre log cabin has been closed and the
Historical Society can no longer hold Cabin Days at the site because of its dire condition.
If there is not rehabilitation work undertaken on this building, it is going to suffer serious
consequences. Basically the entire bottom of this cabin is gone and it presents a public
danger. I can provide the entire report to the commission. It is about 50-60 pages long
with drawings, if the commission feels it is necessary to review it.
MARTHA CHOITZ: I will make a motion that application 2005-1005, the Navarre
Cabin Restoration in Leeper Park, be tabled and put into a special committee for the
restoration of the Navarre Cabin. This committee will consist of Lynn Patrick, Joann
Sporleder, and John Oxian.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Seconds the motion and it passes. Todd Zeiger abstains.
TODD ZEIGER: I would also ask that this special committee please expedite their
deliberations on this, so that we can move it forward. Because, depending on the changes
you make, we may need to take this all the way back down to the state. Last time, it was
a 60 -day review. So, we need to get this special committee together as soon as possible.
3. 2005-1006; 628 Park Avenue
JULIE SCHUTTE: The owners had difficulty with their computer before the C of A
application was submitted, so Catherine is passing out two site plan options. (See staff
report, project description, pictures, and options property attached to C of A in HPC
meeting binder). Property owners, Sarah Micklem & Cornelius Eady, were not present.
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JOANN SPORLEDER: Were we going to propose the kind of tree that would get
planted in front or are we leaving that up to the owners, since they would like to have an
ornamental tree?
JULIE SCHUTTE: We suggested a shade tree, but we did not specify what type.
JOHN OXIAN: What do the owners prefer: brick or the flagstone?
JULIE SCHUTTE: They actually prefer the flagstone from a cost basis.
JOHN OXIAN: Does flagstone last as long as the brick?
JOANN SPORLEDER: If it is properly installed it should last. If they buy that really
soft sandstone flagstone it doesn't hold up as well as the harder stuff.
JULIE SCHUTTE: They were going to choose slate.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Some slates are more close to sandstone then they are to hard
slate.
JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion to approve application 2005-1006 based on the
recommendations made by staff, but that a shade tree be planted and that it be part of the
list of trees that we recommend, and that they use Option B, the flagstone terrace.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Seconds the motion and passes unanimously.
Joan Sporleder also stated that a big shade tree would probably be inappropriate for the
small tree lawn. A smaller shade tree such as an ironwood, blue beach, or any of the
other smaller species of trees would probably survive there.
4. 2005-1007; 308 Lamont Terrace
CATHERINE HOSTETLER:.(See staff report, pictures, and surveyor's map attached
to C of A in HPC meeting packet). Property owner, Sheryl Vernon, was present.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Does the fence come in white as in the picture?
SHERYL VERNON: The fence comes in a natural wood color. We intend to stain it a
little richer darker brown color.
JOHN OXIAN: Why do you want to put a six-foot fence between you and your
neighbor?
SHERYL VERNON: There was an old chain link fence there that was falling apart and
had holes in it. Because of the close quarters we have with the neighbor behind us,
whose property is in very bad disrepair, we really don't want their property to be a part of
our back yard area. Also, our dog passed away this summer, and we want to get a new
puppy in the spring and would like to have a fenced in yard.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Will the yard then be completely enclosed?
SHERYL VERNON: The fence goes to the back comer of my property behind the
garage, and then it will close to the front part of my home - not the porch, but the side of
my house - and then where we have brick terracing patios in the back, it will be open.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I will move that application 2005-1007 at 308 Lamont Terrace
to install a fence be approved as recommended by staff.
TODD ZEIGER: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
B. LANDMARK
1. 16977 Adams Landmark 1880 Barn and Farm -Update
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: The Adams Road barn was landmarked in a unanimous
vote by the County Council at their last meeting.
2. Conservatories and Green Houses at Potawatomi Park -Report of
October 4 meeting with Mayor and Phil St. Claire
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CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Julie is passing out the minutes for a meeting that Julie,
John, and I had with Mayor Steve Luecke and Park Superintendent Phil St. Clair on
October 4th concerning the Potawatomi greenhouses and conservatories. We received
over five hundred and thirty-seven signed petitions asking that these structures be
retained and not incorporated into the zoo. This meeting was precipitated by a grass roots
effort by local residents of South Bend and River Park concerning newspaper reports that
the city was intending to place a fire station at Potawatomi Park and remove the
greenhouses and conservatories and relocate them into exhibits at the zoo. (See white
copy of the October 46 meeting minutes attached to HPC meeting binder).
MARY JANE CHASE: Notre Dame just did a very extensive rehab on their
greenhouse; because, they grow all of the plants that they use on campus. This could be
another local source we could use to learn about materials used, contacts, construction,
architecture, heating, electricity, and even new ways for watering plants. There is so
much available that is cost effective.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I would also suggest that they look into a product that Lexan
makes which is used a lot in greenhouse construction now days. It is very lightweight
and it's insulated. It is not perfectly clear like glass so you can see through it, but it does
allow the light to come in. I enclosed my gazebo with the thinnest type of this stuff and I
can actually work in there in the wintertime without a heater. I will get information on
what the product's name is and the address of where you can purchase it.
C. NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION
1. New Deal/WPA Projects in South Bend and St. Joseph County
MARTHA CHOITZ: I will make a motion that we approve and send to the Department
of Historic Preservation and Archaeology this nomination for the New Deal/WPA
Projects for placing it on the national register.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
III. REGULAR BUSINESS
A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES —(September 19, 2005)
Correction made for the September 19, 2005 minutes
1. The misspelling of Todd Zeiger's last name — (Zeiger instead of Ziegler)
JOANN SPORLEDER: I will move that the minutes be adopted as corrected.
DIANE WROBEL-ILLES: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously. John Oxian
abstains.
B. TREASURER'S REPORT
JOHN OXIAN: (See green copy of treasurer's report attached to HPC meeting binder).
C. COMMITTEE REPORTS
1. President's Report
MARTHA CHOITZ: Tonight we are being introduced to a very special item. It is the
creation of an advisory board. (Refer to white copy of Resolution, Article 7, Committees
and Advisory Board).
ALADEAN DEROSE: Article 10 of the bylaws provides the appropriate procedure for
amending by-laws, which requires that approval must be made by a majority of
Commissioners at a meeting where all members are present unless Notice of the
substance of the proposed amendment is sent to each Commission member at least 10
days before the meeting, and that the proposed by-law amendment be introduced at one
meeting and acted upon at the next regular meeting. So, this is the introduction of the
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resolution amending the Commission's by-laws. I will not read the entire resolution. I
will ask that the resolution itself be attached to the minutes. I would like to go through
the resolution and explain and take any questions on the changes that are being proposed.
The only by-law that is being affected by the proposed change is Article 7. Section 1
under Article 7 is being proposed for amendment to state that, "each committee shall be
chaired by a member of the Commission who shall be appointed by the President,"
and the most significant changes in the composition of the membership which is now
limited by implication to members of the commission itself. So the proposed change in
Section 1 is that, "membership on the South Bend and St. Joseph County Historic
Preservation Committee is not a prerequisite for membership on standing
committees. Standing Committee members may be selected from interested and
knowledgeable citizens of South Bend and St. Joseph County, and Committee
members shall report to the Commission President." There is no change in Section 2
of Article 7. There has been a new section added to the resolution, which is Section 3.
This section creates an Advisory Board, and reads To assist the Commission and its
staff in fulfilline the Commission's mission and effectiveness in the communitv. an
Advisory Board is established. This Advisory Board shall be comprised of persons
who are interested in or knowledeeable of the history of the Citv of South Bend and
St. Joseph Countv and/or interested in or knowledeeable of desien. architecture,
real estate. cultural value and historic Dreservation activities. Commission staff
may serve as members of the Advisory Board.
The Advisory Board shall be aoaointed by the Commission. and Board
members shall serve a term of three vears, but may be elieible for reaDDointment at
the end of each term. No opinion or recommendation made by the Advisory Board
shall constitute official action of the Commission nor shall it bind the Commission in
anv way. The Advisory Board members shall meet as thev deem aoorooriate. but
shall notifv the Commission President at least ten days in advance of anv such
meetine.
Those are the changes that are being proposed tonight.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Why exactly are these changes being proposed?
ALADEAN DEROSE: I think it was the consensus of the commission that you wanted
to expand your committees perhaps to get a panel or a group of interested people who
might ultimately serve on the commission itself and then just to bring in more expertise
and information from the community. The same thing would apply for the Advisory
Board, which would be another group that may provide information and community input
and ideas to the commission.
TODD ZIEGER: Is there a typo in Section 1 of Article 7 of the proposed amendment?
Shouldn't it say, "Membership on the South Bend and St Joseph County Historic
Preservation Commission is not a prerequisite for membership on standing
committees?"
ALADEAN DEROSE: Yes, it should.
There was a brief discussion between commission members and Aladean DeRose
regarding the Advisory Board and its purpose.
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ALADEAN DEROSE: I will be making a change in Section 1; because, I understand
that it is the will of the commission for the end of the first paragraph in Section 1 to read,
"The majority of every standing Committee shall be constituted of Commission
members."
JOANN SPORLEDER: Does that include then Section 2, Special Committees?
ALADEAN DEROSE: No, special committees do not have outside members. Standing
committees would have outside members. If the commission wishes, we could add an
additional sentence to the end of Section 2 to read, "Membership on the South Bend
and St. Joseph County Historic Preservation Commission is not a prerequisite for
membership on special committee." It would be helpful to have a motion tonight from
the commission to approve the amendments that you've proposed and then vote on the
resolution as amended at the next month's meeting. The amendment to the resolution
would be that Section 1 would contain a new sentence at the end to read, "The majority
of every committee shall be constituted of commission members." The second
amendment shall be at the end of Section 2 to read, "Membership on the South Bend
and St. Joseph County Historic Preservation Commission is not prerequisite of
membership on standing committees."
JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion to amend the changes to the by-laws based on
what you just stated.
TODD ZEIGER: Seconds the motion and it passes. Joann Sporleder abstains.
JOANN SPORLEDER: If this resolution passes at our next monthly meeting are we
obligated to create an advisory board?
ALADEAN DEROSE: No, you have the power to do it if you want to.
Aladean DeRose corrected her earlier answer to Joann Sporleder regarding being
obligated to create an advisory board if the resolution passes at the next monthly
meeting.
ALADEAN DEROSE: We may need to amend the first sentence of Section 3 to read,
"To assist the Commission and its staff in fulfilling the Commission's mission and
effectiveness in the community, an Advisory Board may be established." This way
you have the power to establish an advisory board whenever you wish.
TODD ZEIGER: I will make a motion that we amend the first sentence of Section 3 as
stated.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
D. STAFF REPORTS
1. C of A approvals; Correspondence — (See blue copy of Staff
Approvals May 14 -October 14, 2005 attached to HPC meeting
binder)
A. Director's Report (See cream copy of Directors Report attached
to HPC meeting binder).
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: There are three issues at the end of the Director's Report
that I would like some guidance on from the commission. The first issue is: We have
been asked to support Connie and Tom Tooley's position against the proposed ordinance
and site development plan of Allan Klein, et al to zone from "MFI" Urban Corridor
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Multifamily to "MU" Mixed Use, property located at 316 Williams; 318, 320, 322, 324
and 326 W. Madison Street, City of South Bend -APC# 2336-05.
This is an area that is right on the extreme southern border of the newly created
Chapin Park Local Historic District and the National Register District. The Tooleys are
concerned with this row of houses, which are residential houses. That all of the work
that's gone into making that area residential is now going to be thrown to the wind if they
allow putting in a mixed use with offices on the bottom floors and residential at the top.
They have concerns about parking and they have concerns about the fact that there's
already mixed use going on, on the other side of that block which is vacant.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I will make a motion regarding the suggested zoning of 316
Williams and 318, 320, 322, 324, and 326 W. Madison Street. All of these properties are
opposite of a historic district, and it would have a negative impact on the residential
character to rezone it to mixed use. This would have a very detrimental effect on the
residential character of the historic district, which is a residential district.
DIANE WROBEL-ILLES: Seconds the motion and it passed unanimously.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: The second issue is: should the Commission lend its
support to Jeff Gibney's and Charlotte Pfeifer's opposition to the continued location of
the Catholic Workers' Houses on West Washington.
This issue has been in the paper and has been hotly contested. Apparently, on West
Washington, which is an area that Historic Preservation Commission has been active in
with its landmarks; the city has been active in trying to stabilize; and South Bend
Heritage has been active in, the Catholic Church has put in several group homes for
indigent men - a place that they can come and take showers, get something to eat, pick up
mail, phone calls, and stay over night if they want to. This is in a residential area that's
single-family or multi -family, so this is not advisable. It hasn't been rezoned. It is a code
issue, and it is being hotly contested right now. Jeff Gibney had a very extensive article
in the editorial section of the paper concerning this. We have a stake in this simply
because a number of our more prominent landmarks are along West Washington Street.
A number of Bed and Breakfast Inns have had their business go away because their
patrons have been accosted by panhandlers from the Catholic Workers' Houses. These
are landmarks and this jeopardizes their ability to maintain their businesses.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I move to lend support to Jeff Gibney's and Charlotte Pfeifer's
opposition to the continued location of the Catholic Workers' Houses located on West
Washington.
JOHN OXIAN: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: The third issue is: as you know, the Studebaker
Buildings are going to come down and the staff would like to retain the services of Mr.
Lou Sabo to document the 4 Studebaker Buildings, interior and exterior, scheduled for
demolition in high quality black and white photographs. Estimated cost $1,000-1,500.00.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I so move.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
B. Assistant Director's Report
JULIE SCHUTTE: (See brown copy of Assistant Director's Report attached to HPC
meeting binder).
C. Inspector's Report — Taylor's Field LHD
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WAYNE DOOLITTLE: As you know, I go through all of our districts on a regular
basis generally about once a week. I look at all of the houses and do a drive-by. Once a
year I do a survey on foot where I've noticed problems in each of the districts and then
made a report on how the districts are improving or if they are going down. I generate
letters that go out to homeowners asking them to fix what's wrong. Many times I also
sent a letter to Code Enforcement and they are very easy to work with. Consequently
we're making some progress, I think, in all of the districts. One of them that had a
particular concern for me was Taylor's Field, which is right downtown. I did this report
for the purpose of a number of new people that are on the commission that haven't really
had a chance to look at Taylor's Field and I know a bit about its history and what the
architecture looks like. I have had some concerns about it and I think we need to try to
figure out what we might be able to do to spur the owners along to make a better looking
neighborhood.
Wayne then gave an oral presentation with a Powerpoint presentation. His oral
presentation included a brief history of Taylor's Field and a current progress report on
each of the individual homes in Taylor's Field.
Overall I think it is a neighborhood that has a great deal of promise. How we could try to
wrestle control from the people who own the majority of these buildings or try to get
them to work somehow to come in together and help to make it look like a better
neighborhood? We do have an opportunity for several in -fills there. These are the kind
of houses that people really want to buy. They are very large and they're right downtown
next to the post office. This neighborhood has a lot of opportunity and it depends on
what we might be able to do with the city, code enforcement, and economic and
community development to try and figure out some way of working within this
neighborhood to give it what it really needs again to become the outstanding
neighborhood that it was in the 1890's when it was incorporated as Taylor's Field.
2. Legal
TODD ZEIGER: Last month we approved a C of A for 517 Carroll Street. The owner
and contractor stated that the wood clapboard siding on the house was rotted and in
horrible condition. The owner was asking the Commission for permission to have vinyl
siding installed on his house. In fact, it is quite the opposite. The wood clapboard siding
on the house is in very good condition. How would we deal with that from a legal
standpoint? Is it possible to revoke a C of A?
ALADEAN DEROSE: You would need to give notice to the owner that the
Commission has reconsidered and has seen evidence to the contrary and then require that
the owner come forward and explain.
TODD ZEIGER: I will make a motion that we request the owner of 517 Carroll Street
to come back in to discuss his C of A and its possible revocation based on
misrepresentations presented at the hearing last month.
JOHN OXIAN: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
IV. OLD BUSINESS
1. Chapin Park Standards and Guidelines
MARTHA CHOITZ: The districts committee, of which I am Chair, met and voted
unanimously to approve the standards and guidelines for Chapin Park.
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JOHN OXIAN: Those standards and guidelines are still supposed to come before the
whole commission. If you read your ordinance, all standards are approved by the
Commission. If you don't bring it before the Commission, then the Commission has not
given you their approval.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We have already approved the Chapin Park Standards
and Guidelines. We were just going over the comments left by the seven people out of
the five hundred people that were supposed to make comments on them to see which
ones were to be incorporated into the standards and guidelines and which ones were not.
It was our impression that this was what the Standards and Maintenance Committee was
supposed to do. They were supposed to wade through those comments and take out the
ones that were appropriate and incorporate them back into the standards and guidelines
were they saw fit.
V. NEW BUSINESS — Mary Jane Chase: Minutes
Mary Jane Chase asked commission members for their opinion regarding the following
item: If it would be possible for commission members to get a copy of the completed
monthly meeting minutes ten days after the monthly meeting rather than a week before
the next monthly meeting to allow commission members more time to read them more
thoroughly, make comments, and take action if necessary.
(A brief discussion was held no final action was taken on the matter.)
VI. HEARING OF VISITORS
VII. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS
Glory June Grieff November 3 at 7pm at Old Republic
VII. ADJOURNMENT
MARTHA CHOITZ: I call the meeting to adjourn.
Meeting adjourned at 10:12 pm.
Historic Preservation Commission
Minutes: October 17, 2005
ATTEST: ,SECRETARY
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Location Budget as of 10-31-2005
Saint Joseph County
Note: Includes transactions after the last posted date of 06-30-2005.
Fund 001 County General for 01-01-2005 thru 10-31-2005
Loc 037 Historic Preservation
Account
Unencumbered
Unexpended
Object Description
Appropriation
Encumbrance
Expenditure
Balance/Percent
Balance/Percent
11075 Deputy Director
30,000.00
0.00
23,076.92
6,923.08
6.923.08
000 General GovT.
23.08
23.08
11309 Historic Preservation Admin.
36,050.00
0.00
28,424.09
7,625.91
7,625.91
000 General GovT.
21.15
21.15
10000 Totals """"»"»"""""""""""""»'»'
66,050.00
0.00
51,501.01
14,548.99
14,548.99
22.03
22.03
21030 Office Supplies
5,512.09
0.00
2,133.41
3.378.68
3,378.68
000 General GovT.
61.30
61.30
22010 Gas Oil & Lubricants
1,000.00
0.00
232.55
767.45
767.45
000 General GovT.
76.75
76.75
22120 Garage & Motor Supplies
700.00
0.00
339.61
360.39
360.39
000 General GovT.
51.48
51.48
20000 Totals """""""""""""""""""«"""
7,212.09
0.00
2,705.57
4,506.52
4,506.52
62.49
62.49
31070 Other Contractual Services
52,360.00
1.500.00
36,288.63
14,571.37
16,071.37
000 General GovT.
27.83
30.69
32020 Travel
1,000.00
0.00
332.10
667.90
667.90
000 General GovT.
66.79
66.79
32050 Instruction & Training
2,000.00
0.00
400.00
1,600.00
1,600.00
000 General GovT.
80.00
80.00
32053 Public Relations
4,971.00
0.00
2,651.18
2,319.82
2,319.82
000 General Gov'f.
46.67
46.67
32200 Telephone
1,160.00
0.00
12.00
1,148.00
1,148.00
000 General GovT.
98.97
98.97
32350 Postage
2,160.00
0.00
1,549.59
610.41
610.41
000 General GovT.
28.26
28.26
33010 Publication Of Legal Notices
500.00
0.00
148.15
351.85
351.85
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33100 Printing
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37100
Auto Lease
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Dues & Subscription
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Encumbrance
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6,700.00
6,400.10
2,115.90
8,815.90
13.91
57.94
500.00
0.00
117.09
382.91
382.91
76.58
76.58
1,250.00
0.00
304.90
945.10
945.10
75.61
75.61
3,570.00
0.00
23.30
3,546.70
3,546.70
99.35
99.35
0.00
0.00
625.00
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(625.00)
0.00
0.00
84,687.00
8,200.00
48,852.04
27,634.96
35,834.96
32.63
42.31
800.00
0.00
473.50
326.50
326.50
40.81
40.81
0.00
3,042.00
0.00
(3,042.00)
0.00
0.00
0.00
800.00
3,042.00
473.50
(2,715.50)
326.50
(339.44)
40.81
158,749.09
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103,532.12
43,974.97
55,216.97
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34.78
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SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION NO. 05-01
A RESOLUTION OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION OF
SOUTH BEND AND ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
AMENDING THE COMMISSION'S BY-LAWS
WHEREAS, the By -Laws of the Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend and
St. Joseph County were last amended in 1995; and
WHEREAS, Article 10 of the By -Laws provides the appropriate procedure for amending
by-laws which requires that approval must be made by a majority of Commissioners at a meeting
where all members are present unless Notice of the substance of the proposed amendment is sent
to each Commission member at least 10 days before the meeting, and that the proposed by-law
amendment be introduced at one meeting and acted upon at the next regular meeting; and
WHEREAS, it is desirable and necessary to amend the By -Laws to create an Advisory
Board and to permit non -Commission members to serve on Standing Committees.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the Historic Preservation Commission of
South Bend and St. Joseph County that its By -Laws be amended as follows:
Section I. Article 7 of the By -Laws shall be amended to read as follows:
ARTICLE 7
COMMITTEES AND ADVISORY BOARD.
Section 1. Standing Committees. The standing Committees of the Commission shall be Budget
and Finance, Standards and Maintenance, Historic Landmarks, Historic Districts, Public
Relations and Community Education Committee, and Legal Committee. Each Committee shall
be chaired by a member of the Commission who shall be appointed by the President wkieh-shall
be named by the Genffnissien at the first meeting in the calendar year and said Committees
Chairs shall serve for the calendar year or until their successors are appointed or the Commission
by resolution shall determine otherwise . MembershiD on the South Bend and St. Joseph County
Historic Preservation Commission is not a prereauisite for membership on standing committees..
Standing Committee members maybe selected from interested and knowledgeable citizens of
South Bend and St. Joseph County. and Committee members shall reDort to the Commission
President. The maiority of every_ standing Committee shall be constituted of Commission
members.
Section 2. Special Committees. Special Committees may be appointed by resolution of the
Commission, or by unanimous consent, to serve at the pleasure of the Commission. The
President may appoint special Committees between Commission meetings to act upon urgent
matters and report at the next meeting of the Commission. Such Special Committees appointed
by the President may continue if authorized by resolution of the Commission or by unanimous
consent. Membership on the South Bend and St. Joseph Countv Historic Preservation
Commission is not a prereouisite for membership on Special Committees. Special Committee,
members may be selected from interested and knowledgeable citizens of South Bend and St.,
Joseph Countv. and Committee members shall reuort to the Commission President. The maiority
of every standing Committee shall be constituted of Commission members..
Section 3. Advisory Board. To assist the Commission and its staff in fulfilling the,
Commission's mission and effectiveness in the community. an Advisory Board may be
established. This Advisory Board shall be comprised of persons who are interested in or
knowledgeable of the history of the Citv of South Bend and St. Joseph Countv and/or interested,
in or knowledgeable of design, architecture. real estate. cultural value and historic preservation.
activities. Commission staff may serve as members of the Advisory Board.
The Advisory Board members shall be appointed by the Commission, and Board
members shall serve a term of three vears, but may be eligible for reappointment at the end of
each term. No opinion or recommendation made_ by the Advisors Board shall constitute official.
action of the Commission nor shall it bind the Commission in any way. The Advisory Board
members shall meet as thev deem anprooriate or as directed by the Commission, but shall notify
the Commission President at least ten days in advance of anv such meeting..
Approved at a meeting of the South Bend Historic Preservation Commission on
, 2005 with all members present and voting.
Lynn Patrick, President
Mary Jane Chase
Martha Choitz
Catherine D. Hostetler
John H. Oxian
Joann Sporleder
Gerald Ujdak
Diane Wroble-Illes
Todd Zeiger
HISTORIC
LANDMARKS
FOUNDATION OF
INDIANA
November 1, 2005
Northern Regional Office
402 West Washington Street
South Bend, IN 46601
574 232 4534 Fax: 574 232 5549
north@historiciandmarks.org
www.historiclancftnarks.org
Catherine Hostetler
Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County
227 W. Jefferson Blvd.
South Bend, Indiana 46601
On September 28, 2005 I inspected the Studebaker Carpentry Shop Building at 637 S.
Lafayette Street in South Bend with HPC staff and Commissioners. My findings are as
follows:
1) Over all the exterior structure is in average to poor condition.
2) The masonry is in deteriorating condition. The North end, exterior brick wall has severe
brick failure and the rest of the building need complete re -pointing.
3) The roof structure is beginning to fail. There are at least 4 structurally collapsed roof
areas and all roofing material is failing.
It is my opinion that to stabilize the building would take between $175,000 and $200,000.
That would make it ready for someone to come in and complete the rehab for another
$100,00 to $200,000 depending on the end use.
While I feel the structure has great architectural appeal, the rehab dollars as compared with
the usable square footage make this project not financially viable unless huge grants could be
acquired.
Sincerely,
Bob Yapp
Community Preservation Specialist
INSPECTOR SERVICES CONTRACT
The Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend and Saint Joseph County (hereafter
"HPC") and Wayne Doolittle hereby enter into this Contract for the part time services of Wayne
Dolittle as an inspector for HPC, which Contract is:
Whereas: HPC has a purpose to preserve and protect historic structures in South Bend and
Saint Joseph County, Indiana and Wayne Doolittle has the training, knowledge, and experience
to serve as HPC's inspector of historic landmarks and of structures within historic districts;
Now, therefore, the parties agree:
1) Wayne Doolittle will perform the following services for HPC as needed or requested by
HPC:
a) Inspect all Local Landmarks and Historic Districts on a regular basis, looking for
any unauthorized alterations, repairs, renovations, removals, or additions. This
includes buildings, structures, natural landscape items, and man made landscape
items.
b) Inspect properties that have received Certifications of Appropriateness to ensure
that the work being done complies with what was approved.
c) When needed, assist the HPC staff in reviewing new applications for permits.
d) Contact the Building Department to have "Stop Work Orders" placed on any
projects that are in violation of proper HPC authority or Certification.
e) Document all violations in writing and with photographs, and submit this
documentation to the HPC Director or Assistant Director for further process.
f) Keep complete records of all inspections, as well as complete time logs for
services rendered to HPC. The time logs shall be submitted on a regular basis for
purposes of payment for inspection services rendered.
g) Inspect designated properties for compliance with HPC's minimum maintenance
standards, discuss violations with HPC staff, and, if necessary after discussion,
report violators to Building Department Code Enforcement authorities and attend
pertinent Code Enforcement meetings or hearings.
h) Attend HPC meetings as needed or as requested by HPC members.
i) Maintain the confidentiality of all information disclosed to him during the course
of his services, which HPC deems to be confidential, unless HPC consents in
writing to the disclosure of that information.
2) HPC will pay Wayne Doolittle twenty two dollars ($ 22.00) per hour for each hour or
fractional part of an hour for which Mr. Doolittle submits proper logs or records of his
service as described above.
3) Payment for Mr. Doolittle's services shall be made on a monthly basis.
4) HPC and Mr. Doolittle anticipate that Mr. Doolittle will provide at least four (4), but not
more than thirty hours (30) of service per week. Payment for more or fewer hours of
service per week shall not be made unless HPC or its staff authorize in advance that more
or fewer hours of service be rendered for that period.
5) HPC will provide a desk and work area for Mr. Doolittle in the HPC office for his use in
the tasks and duties set forth above.
6) Mr. Doolittle shall not be designated nor treated as an employee by HPC. He shall be an
independent contractor, and, as such, shall assume and pay in full any and all of his own
payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, workers compensation insurance, or other legally
mandated costs, expenses, or withholdings associated with his work.
7) All work product of Mr. Doolittle that is produced while performing services for the HPC
shall be the sole property of the HPC.
8) The HPC may modify this Contract or terminate Mr. Doolittle's services at any time
provided that the HPC notifies him in writing within forty-eight hours of its decision to
modify or terminate his services. Any payment due to Mr. Doolittle at the time of such
termination shall be made to him no later than the next date on which regular services
payment is due.
9) Mr. Doolittle may terminate his services to the HPC upon thirty days written notice
delivered to the HPC at or prior to a regular monthly meeting of the HPC. This notice
period may be shortened if health or other urgent circumstances require.
10) Upon termination of Mr. Doolittle's services, whether by mutual consent or not, Mr.
Doolittle shall property return to HPC any of HPC's materials, documents, or tangible
property of any kind which he acquired from the HPC, or as a consequence of services
rendered for HPC, or which he produced for HPC.
11) This Contract shall cover the period from December 1, 2005 to November 30, 2006 and
shall continue in effect for one-year terms thereafter until it is canceled or terminated by
either of the parties.
12) This Contract shall be interpreted according to Indiana Law, and shall bind the parties,
their agents, assigns, and successors in interest.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Of SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
BY: Mary Jane Chase, Secretary
Date: 2005
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Of SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
BY: Catherine Hostetler, Director
Date: 2005
WAYNE DOOLITTLE
Date:
2005
INSPECTOR SERVICES CONTRACT
The Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend and Saint Joseph County (hereafter
"HPC") and Wayne Doolittle hereby enter into this Contract for the part time services of Wayne
Dolittle as an inspector for HPC, which Contract is:
Whereas: HPC has a purpose to preserve and protect historic structures in South Bend and
Saint Joseph County, Indiana and Wayne Doolittle has the training, knowledge, and experience
to serve as HPC's inspector of historic landmarks and of structures within historic districts;
Now, therefore, the parties agree:
1) Wayne Doolittle will perform the following services for HPC as needed or requested by
HPC:
a) Inspect all Local Landmarks and Historic Districts on a regular basis, looking for
any unauthorized alterations, repairs, renovations, removals, or additions. This
includes buildings, structures, natural landscape items, and man made landscape
items.
b) Inspect properties that have received Certifications of Appropriateness to ensure
that the work being done complies with what was approved.
c) When needed, assist the HPC staff in reviewing new applications for permits.
d) Contact the Building Department to have "Stop Work Orders" placed on any
projects that are in violation of proper HPC authority or Certification.
e) Document all violations in writing and with photographs, and submit this
documentation to the HPC Director or Assistant Director for further process.
t) Keep complete records of all inspections, as well as complete time logs for
services rendered to HPC. The time logs shall be submitted on a regular basis for
purposes of payment for inspection services rendered.
g) Inspect designated properties for compliance with HPC's minimum maintenance
standards, discuss violations with HPC staff, and, if necessary after discussion,
report violators to Building Department Code Enforcement authorities and attend
pertinent Code Enforcement meetings or hearings.
h) Attend HPC meetings as needed or as requested by HPC members.
i) Maintain the confidentiality of all information disclosed to him during the course
of his services, which HPC deems to be confidential, unless HPC consents in
writing to the disclosure of that information.
2) HPC will pay Wayne Doolittle twenty two dollars ($ 22.00) per hour for each hour or
fractional part of an hour for which Mr. Doolittle submits proper logs or records of his
service as described above.
3) Payment for Mr. Doolittle's services shall be made on a monthly basis.
4) HPC and Mr. Doolittle anticipate that Mr. Doolittle will provide at least four (4), but not
more than thirty hours (30) of service per week. Payment for more or fewer hours of
service per week shall not be made unless HPC or its staff authorize in advance that more
or fewer hours of service be rendered for that period.
5) HPC will provide a desk and work area for Mr. Doolittle in the HPC office for his use in
the tasks and duties set forth above.
6) Mr. Doolittle shall not be designated nor treated as an employee by HPC. He shall be an
independent contractor, and, as such, shall assume and pay in full any and all of his own
payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, workers compensation insurance, or other legally
mandated costs, expenses, or withholdings associated with his work.
7) All work product of Mr. Doolittle that is produced while performing services for the HPC
shall be the sole property of the HPC.
8) The HPC may modify this Contract or terminate Mr. Doolittle's services at any time
provided that the HPC notifies him in writing within forty-eight hours of its decision to
modify or terminate his services. Any payment due to Mr. Doolittle at the time of such
termination shall be made to him no later than the next date on which regular services
payment is due.
9) Mr. Doolittle may terminate his services to the HPC upon thirty days written notice
delivered to the HPC at or prior to a regular monthly meeting of the HPC. This notice
period may be shortened if health or other urgent circumstances require.
10) Upon termination of Mr. Doolittle's services, whether by mutual consent or not, Mr.
Doolittle shall property return to HPC any of HPC's materials, documents, or tangible
property of any kind which he acquired from the HPC, or as a consequence of services
rendered for HPC, or which he produced for HPC.
11) This Contract shall cover the period from December 1, 2005 to December 31, 2006 and
shall continue in effect for one-year terms thereafter until it is canceled or terminated by
either of the parties.
12) This Contract shall be interpreted according to Indiana Law, and shall bind the parties,
their agents, assigns, and successors in interest.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WAYNE DOOLITTLE
Of SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
BY: Mary Jane Chase, Secretary
Date: 2005 Date: 2005
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Of SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
BY: Catherine Hostetler, Director
Date: 2005
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Cynthia A. Bodle, President
Mark A. Dobson, Member
Steven Ross, Member
Date:
ATTEST:
Michael C. Eby, St. Joseph County Auditor
Date:
TRANSCRIPTION SERVICES CONTRACT
The Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend and Saint Joseph County (hereafter "HPC")
and Kathy Sue Oxian hereby enter into this Contract for the part time services of Kathy Oxian as a
transcriptionist for HPC, to assist the HPC by transcribing minutes of HPC meetings for the year
2004, and such previous meetings as may be necessary.
Now, therefore, the parties agree:
1) Kathy Sue Oxian will perform the following services for HPC as needed or requested by
HPC:
a) Prepare a detailed and complete type written summary transcript from the audio
tapes made by the Director or Assistant Director of each HPC monthly or special
meeting which she agrees to transcribe.
b) Attend those meetings for which she and HPC have agreed that she will transcribe
the taped minutes, without charging any additional fee for such attendance.
However, she shall be excused from attendance if her health or the health of a
family member so requires.
c) Preserve the original audiotapes of each meeting, and return them to the HPC
offices as soon as transcription is complete.
d) Maintain complete and accurate records of the time spent and work performed for
HPC pursuant to this agreement.
e) Maintain the confidentiality of all information disclosed to her during the course of
her services, which HPC deems to be confidential, unless HPC consents in writing
to the disclosure of that information.
2) Monthly, upon receiving and approving transcribed minutes of a previous meeting, HPC
will pay Kathy Sue Oxian a flat fee of $60.00 for each hour that that meeting lasted, from
call to order, to adjournment, regardless of the additional time spent in transcription.
3) The duration of each meeting transcribed, from call to order to adjournment, shall be a
matter of public record.
4) Ms. Oxian shall not be designated nor treated as an employee by HPC. She acknowledges
and agrees that she shall be an independent contractor, and, as such, shall assume and pay
in full any and all of her own payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, workers
compensation insurance, or other legally mandated costs, expenses, or withholdings
associated with her work.
5) All work product of Ms. Oxian that is produced while performing services for the HPC
shall be the sole property of the HPC.
6) The HPC may modify or terminate Ms. Oxian's services at any time provided that the HPC
notifies her in writing within forty-eight hours of its decision to modify or terminate her
services, or before she has actually attended a meting with the expectation of being asked
to transcribe it.
7) Any payment due to Ms. Oxian at the time of such a termination shall be made to her no
later than the next date on which regular services payment is due.
8) Ms. Oxian may terminate her services to the HPC upon thirty days written notice delivered
to the HPC at or prior to a regular monthly meeting of the HPC. This notice period may be
shortened if health or other urgent circumstances require.
9) Upon termination of Ms. Oxian's services, whether by mutual consent or not, Ms. Oxian
shall promptly return to HPC any of HPC's materials, documents, or tangible property of
any kind which she acquired from the HPC, or as a consequence of services rendered for
HPC, or which she produced for HPC.
10) This Contract shall remain in effect from the date it is signed by all parties, until December
31, 2004, or until it is canceled or terminated by either of the parties.
11) If at any time the HPC, the HPC Treasurer, or the HPC Executive Committee determines
that funds are no longer available in the HPC budget to pay for transcription services
through an outside contractor, without compromising other HPC services and operations,
then the HPC shall cancel this contract. If the HPC should find it possible to obtain
adequate transcription services from another person or company for less money than the
amount charged by Ms. Oxian, then the HPC shall cancel this contract.
12) This Contract shall be interpreted according to Indiana Law, and shall bind the parties,
their agents, assigns, and successors in interest.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION KATHY SUE OXIAN
Of SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
BY: Mary Jane Chase, Secretary
Date:
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Of SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
BY: Catherine D. Hostetler, Director
Date:
Revised 10/18/2004
Date:
Traffic Sign Shop Phone: (574) 235-9925 Fax: (574) 235-9304
omer: Historic Preservation Commission
ress: 125 N. Lafayette Blvd.
City, State: South Bend, IN.
Zip: 46601
Contact Name: Julie Schutte
Phone: 235-9798
Fax:235-9578
Job Descrintion:
Installed_X_
Delivered
Customer Pickup_
This k an Estimate Onh
Bill To:
Address:
City, State:
Zip:
4- 24"x18" E. Wayne
Historic Signs
lorized By (Please Print):
Signature
Comments:
To Place this Order
Itemized Services and Materials Per Sign
Sign Materials
Substrate
.080 Ga. Aluminum
Application Tape
SCPM-3
Scotchcal Film
180-31 Medium Gray
3650-58 Burgundy
Sign Preparation
Design & Layout Time
Cut Time
Preparing Substrate
Sign Assembly
Job 9HI024 Estimate
Prices may vary or include Minimum
charges for some services or
materials
Date: Oct. 24, 05
Price / Ea.
Order Taken By: Bob D
Approved By: Mark H
Estimate
Totals
Sign Materials
$14.58
Sign Preparation
$8.28
Installation Materials
$31.81
Installation Equip. & Labor
$29.73
Each Sign
$84.40
Quantity
4
Sub Total
$337.60
One Time Charges
0
Total Price this Order
$337.60
Please complete this section, Fax or Send this form back.
Deliver To:
Address:
City, State:
Zip:
Payment to be made by: PO. # Check # COD
Check one or add #1 1 1
Price / Sq. Ft.
Quantity
Total
Installation Materials
Price / Ea.
Quantity
Total
Posts
$2.90
3
$8.70
Steel- U Channel / Ft.
$2.35
10
$23.50
Breakaway Stubs
$0.12
3
$0.36
Steel- U Channel
$7.05
1
$7.05
Other Materials or Equip.
$0.92
3
$2.76
Nuts (Set of 2)
$0.23
2
$0.46
$0.92
3
$2.76
Bolts (Set of 2)
$0.35
2
$0.70
$14.58
Washers (Set of 2)
$0.10
1
$0.10
$31.81
Price / Min.
Quantity
Total
$0.30
0
$0.00
Installation Equip. & Labor
Price / Hr.
Quantity
Total
$0.36
8
$2.88
Truck & Driver
$45.00
0.5
$22.50
$0.30
3
$0.90
Labor
$14.46
0.5
$7.23
$0.30
15
$4.50
$29.73
$8.28
SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
NOVEMBER 219 2005 MEETING
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OF SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
MONTHLY MEETING
November 21, 2005 4'h Floor, Council Chambers, County -City
Building, South Bend, IN
MEMBERS PRESENT: Todd Zeiger, (Member)
Mary Jane Chase, (Secretary)
Joann Sporleder, (Architectural Historian)
Lynn Patrick, (President)
John Oxian, (Treasurer)
Diane Wrobel-Illes, (Member)
Catherine Hostetler, (Member)
MEMBERS ABSENT: Gerald Ujdak, (Member)
STAFF PRESENT: Catherine Hostetler, (Director)
Wayne Doolittle, (Inspector)
Aladean DeRose, (Chief Assistant
Attorney)
Shawn Peterson, (Assistant City Attorney)
STAFF ABSENT: Julie Schutte, (Assistant Director)
ALSO PRESENT: Diana Matthias, Kate Ravin, Laura L.
Smith, Kent Anderson, David Bainbridge,
Jonathan J. Cook, Donald Sporleder,
Paul Schmitt, Brenda E. Knowles, Paul
Kochanowski
I. CALLED MEETING TO ORDER
LYNN PATRICK: Called the meeting to order at 7:30 pm.
II. PUBLIC HEARING
A. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
1. 2005-1012; 1111 Riverside Drive
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: (See staff report, proposed work description, window
advertisement, and black and white photos of property attached to C of A in HPC
meeting binder). Catherine also passed out the original colored photographs she had of
the property for commission members to look over. (Homeowners, Brenda Knowles and
Paul Kochanowski, were present). The homeowners also passed out a written copy
explaining their reasons and opinions for having the proposed work done on their
property for commission members to look over.
DIANE WROBEL-ILLES: Have you explored areas for replacement windows that
better match the original window's frame size?
PAUL KOCHANOWSKI: We just looked at windows that we thought were the most
efficient. We looked at some wood windows that really didn't have the energy savings
and would not have been easy for us to clean. We picked what was considered high end
replacement windows. We also looked around the neighborhood to see what other kinds
of windows were being used.
The staff did give us information; however, we feel this information is outdated and
goes back to the mid to late 1990's. It states things that are certainly not true anymore. It
states that the seals will break in seven and a half years and the windows are going to
warp. The windows we are buying have a guarantee for 20 years on both the seals and
frames. We can't understand how the staff by taking pictures of the outside of our house
can tell anything about what the windows are like on the inside. The staff doesn't have to
live with these windows on a day to day basis. The windows are always getting dirty and
we have hired contractors to clean them. The last time this happened, even though we
paid the contractor $200.00 dollars, the contractor quit in the middle of the job because
there were too many windows. He put together storm windows incorrectly so they are a
mess. Every time it is humid the windows are very hard to open and shut. Since we live
in the house on a day to day basis we feel the replacement windows will not only be a lot
easier to clean but they will look better also. They will not look the same; but, the storm
windows that are on the house now are not very attractive either. We also look at this
from an energy savings point of view. The staff report said that the pay back period is
about 30 years; but, with energy prices triple and the windows much more efficient than
they were in the past, the payback period is going to be obviously a lot shorter, maybe 10
years or fewer.
BRENDA KNOWLES: I also have severe allergies and I am very worried about the
lack of ventilation because we literally cannot open most of the windows. They swell
shut almost the entire year. I am worried about argon, mold, and the exacerbation of my
allergies. So I see health as well as ecological issues here.
JOHN OMAN: You are already violating the standards by going from 4 over 1 window
to 1 over 1 window. If you were going to go for new windows that were 4 over 1, which
we have some times allowed in other places to match the original ones, then that's a
different story. My house is a landmark and it has wood windows. If you have your
wood windows taken care of properly they will open and shut properly. You have to
check the ropes and weights on the windows periodically to make sure they are working
correctly. I can open all of the wood windows I have in my house. You also mention
about going inside the house to see what the windows are like. Our inspector cannot go
inside the house. If you want our inspector to come in and see what the windows look
like from the inside to get a better judgment to make us decide on what we would like to
approve or reject, then I would suggest that we table this and you allow Wayne Doolittle
to come in and look at the windows and then come back. Until you decide to come back
with 4 over 1 window I will not approve this one way or another.
BRENDA KNOWLES: I had called Mr. Doolittle a couple of times about this; because,
we actually don't even know what you are talking about regarding 4 over 1 and 1 over 1.
JOHN OXIAN: Then I would suggest that we table this and have you sit down with our
inspector and go over this and come back with a mutual understanding among all of you
so that next month what ever is approved would be the best thing to do.
LYNN PATRICK: I also have wood windows in my house that would not open because
they were all painted shut. We did a window rehab workshop with Bob Yapp. He
replaced the weights and ropes and did a lot of work on my windows and now they open
and shut like a dream.
TODD ZEIGER: Have there been bids received for rehab on these windows?
BRENDA KNOWLES: No.
TODD ZEIGER: I would request that if this is tabled then bids should be brought back
in for consideration. The fact that it violates the standards to replace them to begin with
really begs the question why there aren't even bids to repair what is there now.
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JOANN SPORLEDER: Which windows are you planning on replacing?
PAUL KOCHANOWSKI: The only windows that we are going to be doing anything
with are the ones that have the aluminum storm windows already on them and they're
just double -hung windows.
LYNN PATRICK: All of the windows that are going to be replaced are in fact 4 over 1
windows.
PAUL KOCHANOWSKI: Yes they are.
JOANN SPORLEDER: So then you are intending to replace the triple -track aluminum
storm windows and the windows themselves with thermal insulated replacement
windows.
PAUL KOCHANOWSKI: Right.
ALADEAN DEROSE: I would like to make a point of clarification because a C of A is
being denied; if it's not approved within 45 days there are two possibilities. 1. The
owners could withdraw the current C of A and start with a new request for C of A. 2.
The owners could waive the 45 day rule and allow the commission to act on this C of A
and perhaps amend it.
LYNN PATRICK: I will make a motion to allow this C of A to be withdrawn and a
new C of A be submitted.
DIANE WROBEL-ILLES: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
2. 2005-1028; 1333 E. Wayne Street
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: (See staff report, project description, black/white photos,
double -hung window advertisement brochure attached to C of A in HPC meeting binder).
(Homeowner, Laura Smith, was present).
JOHN OXIAN: There is a new type of casement windows that are out now that
duplicate the old ones. Did you check on those?
LAURA SMITH: No, I didn't. Who ever did the windows in 1997 did double -hung
windows. I would like to replace those windows which are not double -hung windows so
that all of the windows will match one another.
JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion that the C of A 2005-1028 be approved as
recommended by staff.
DIANE WROBEL-ILLES: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
3. 2005-1104A; 840 Park Avenue
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: (See staff report, black/white photos, white copy of
written statement by Mr. and Mrs. Matthias, copies of invoices and estimate).
(Homeowner, Diana Matthias, was present).
MARTHA CHOITZ: The Standards and Maintenance Committee was called upon to
review C of A 2005-1104A. The Standards and Maintenance Committee recommends
approval of this C of A to the HPC for further activity.
MARY JANE CHASE: Were these Scamozzi capitals original and then changed to the
Doric style capitals?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Yes.
MARY JANE CHASE: Do we know when they were changed?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Yes, in the summer of 2005.
TODD ZEIGER: How did you square up your recommendation for approval with the
guidelines for the district with regard to the fact that this was done after the district was
put in place without a C of A?
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MARTHA CHOITZ: The decorations shall be retained or replaced by replicas of the
same design or by a design more in keeping with the historic period of the structure. We
investigated that very thoroughly and realized that it could be a possibility, because
there's no proof that those were original to the house.
JOANN SPORLEDER: The capital on the right was seriously damaged and the center
capital was not in good shape, so they needed to be replaced. In order to make all three
match; all three would have needed to be replaced. The one capital on the left had been
replaced in 2000 because of a storm. There were problems associated apparently with
replacing the other two or then all three with Scamozzi column capitals that were then
available, because of if I am understanding what was said with the size, and the style, and
the structure; if you will look in one of those photographs apparently the structure of this
thing is such that there is a column inside that is the structural column that holds up the
whole thing and all of this is put around it on the outside of that. So in order to do what
was then available apparently in the Scamozzi style, as I understand it, they would have
had to completely undo the entire structure and start all over again because the capitals
came as a piece instead of in halves which could accommodate the structure itself. You
can see that quite plainly in the photograph which was passed around. They apparently
had tried to get Scamozzi capitals, and there have been some indications of this, which
was in your packet.
In 2004 they had investigated trying to get Scamozzi in other places. The difficulty
of doing that led them to try something simpler which was also in keeping with that
particular Queen Ann style. In fact, in my professional opinion the Doric is more
commonly used in the Queen Anne than the Scamozzi. That doesn't mean the Scamozzi
was never used; but, the Doric was the normal way of going. So what they have done
was chosen to do something that needed to be done because those tops had to be fixed -
they had obviously disintegrated. I think that's where I came down on this and I thought
that is what they had done over a long period of time of starting this whole process in
2001, I believe. It just seemed to make the most sense to do what they in fact did.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: But, then how do you explain the Scamozzis on the
Queen Anne Inn?
JOANN SPORLEDER: I can't explain that because that's not in the same district.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: It was. We moved that house. That was in Chapin Park
right across on Lafayette. Those are wooden columns with terra cotta. One of your
arguments was about shingle style Queen Anne's not having Scamozzis; but, -----
JOANN SPORLEDER: No, I didn't say they didn't have it; what I was saying was
Doric is appropriate. There is a difference.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: But, that wasn't what was there.
JOANN SPORLEDER: The truth of the matter is we don't know what was there. We
only know what was destroyed.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: The terra cotta industry collapsed in the 1930's so they
had to have been at least seventy years old.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I don't really want to get into how old they are. All I know is
that they were deteriorated and needed to be replaced. An effort was made to replace
them with Scamozzi and apparently that was unsuccessful structurally. So I can't address
anything more beyond that.
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WAYNE DOOLITTLE: I would like to give you my time line of what happened.
Every year as you know I walk through every district. I take photographs of things that
seem to be in need of repair and I make a report on it. I did this on July 10`h and July
11 `h. I have been doing this for four years. I do it the same way with people all the time.
When I take pictures of peoples' homes, I really hope that we can get together and talk
about why I am taking pictures. I have had many people ask me why I am taking it and I
tell them why. We're doing it as a record to see if that district is going up or if it is going
down. I was also given some opportunity to write letters to people and to tell them about
problems they might not even know they have.
At this particular time, John came out and we talked about it. I noticed that they had
the new Scamozzi at one end; which I thought looked rather striking, and I mentioned
that. We were talking about the one that had been broke. That one he said we are going
to get repaired, that was July I Vh. I give everyone my card and say if we can be of any
assistance to you please give us a call; we can often times find things for you because we
deal with a lot of different people. That's the way I left it.
So, I was under the understanding that one was going to be repaired. I would
certainly have been happy to talk with them at any time about the problems that they had.
So as far as I was concerned this was a problem that was going to be solved. I told the
other staff the same thing when I printed the photographs and how pleased they were to
be able to go ahead and get it fixed. They said that one had been repaired and it was put
in. When I am taking photographs, everybody knows we're in the district and that's why
I am taking those photographs. I don't think there should be any mistake why I am doing
what I am doing. I am happy to talk to everybody because it gives me an opportunity to
try to come to some resolution and to try and help people come to a good conclusion.
MARY JANE CHASE: Were they going to change all of them to Doric?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: They did.
MARY JANE CHASE: I thought you said there was a Scamozzi left.
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: There was a new one, and the one in the middle was all ready
there, and the one on the South side of the house was broken in half. Then there are two
other half Scamozzis that were on half pillars embedded to the house. They were fine
and the one in the center was fine. What really needed to be done, they had so many
coats of paint on them that you needed to take some paint off in order to get a better look.
I found at least three companies that manufacture Scamozzis and they ranged from; well I
found more than that; but, the more reasonable ones were like $265.00 to $365.00 dollars.
There were some that were a $1,000.00 dollars and I immediately discounted those.
Many of them come in halves so you're able to rise them up and hook them in otherwise
you would have a big problem because of the shaping of the Scamozzi.
MARY JANE CHASE: I was confused if you had said they had Scamozzis and
changed to Doric.
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: Yes.
MARY JANE CHASE: That wasn't at all in the original C of A to do anything?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: There wasn't an original C of A, it was after the fact.
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: They also had a great deal of work that was done without a
building permit which is required by the city. Over at least $2,000.00 dollars worth of
work done again on the original before we came to the district may really have an impact
on this; but, every contractor should know that it does require a building permit for any of
the things that they do and it's for the safety of the homeowner that it's done. The only
thing that connects the contractor to the job is the building permit. Every single
contractor is required to register and required to have a $5,000.00 dollar bond. The
$5,000.00 bond is there in case you don't meet the requirements of city code and they
require them to redo the work. Either they get the bond back or the contractor will have
to do the work over. This is something a lot of homeowners don't know. Most of the
contractors know they have to do it; but, they would rather skip the $20.00 dollars or so
that it cost and the hassle to do it.
JOHN OXIAN: First of all, they automatically violated by putting these in without
coming for a C of A and that completely turns me off. For thirty-two years it's been
taming me off and it isn't going to change my opinion yet. You violate the law when
you don't get a C of A. It's like running a traffic light, you violate the law.
The other thing is if they repaired one why would you go ahead and replace the other
ones when you only have to replace or repair one other one when you have already found
another one you can replace it with. If there was something that you couldn't replace
because it does not exist anymore then I could understand that; but, when you've already
replaced one why would you remove them all? That to me makes no sense whatsoever.
You're in a district now and you abide by the rules and regulations; just like I told the
people earlier. I don't care who you are, or where you are, or whether you've read the
standards or not; that's inexcusable. You have received preliminary standards and if you
didn't read those then it's your fault because it's a district now and you still have to
abide. You have two choices. Whenever we made a district if we didn't have standards
we follow the guidelines. If there were preliminary standards we follow them until the
permanent ones come. I can't approve this and I cannot see going ahead and setting bad
precedent.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Ok, I am going to weigh into something that I had said that I
wasn't going to do. We're going to get into the time line. The preservation commission
accepted from the time line for when this became a district. Unfortunately, I guess, I
don't keep such good records; because I don't really know exactly when this became a
district nor do I know and have in my records when the standards were finally approved
by a vote of the committee and the commission and when the neighborhood was given
those standards and given a notice that they were in fact now a district and this is the
procedure that now must be followed. I would like to know exactly when the
neighborhood was informed. All of the people, even those who were not necessarily
participating in the endlessly, apparently, endless discussions about becoming a district
and the endless revisions, and revisions, and revisions of the standards; which I notice we
still have on our agenda today for further review of the standards.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: No, you're not reviewing the standards. You're just
receiving a status report on the printing of the standards.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Well, whatever it is, I don't have any documentation and
perhaps other commission members do have documentation and I am just totally
negligent about having lost something that I shouldn't have. I don't know that the district
has been informed about being a district and what the time line is for that and when what
goes into effect. I am sorry to have brought that up because I think it's going to be point
of great difficulty; but, I think it's important that we cannot hold people to standards if
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they don't have them. To say that they are now available by email is fine if everybody
has email and is informed about that.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: The Chapin Park came in March of 2005 with standards
that were approved by the commission in 2002.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Then why are we still messing around with the standards?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Because there has been a change of guard so to speak
from Pana to the Chapin Park Neighborhood and they wanted to review them.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I remember reviewing the standards myself last summer.
Marking them up and submitting my remarks; but, I still don't see how we can expect
someone to follow something that hasn't been approved yet.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Everybody got a copy of the standards.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Well, I don't know that.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: They were all sent out in September 2004.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Is there documentation that they were in fact sent out?
CATHERING HOSTETLER: Yes.
JOANN SPORLEDER: By whom?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: The staff. We had them printed up from Rink.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Ok and they were mailed.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Everything was mailed out along with a letter from both
the Chapin Park Neighborhood and HPC and then it also had the standards and copy of
the proposed boundaries and ordinance. There were three hundred copies mailed out.
JOANN SPORLEDER: When was that mailed out?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: In September 2004.
LYNN PATRICK: And now almost a year later they went ahead and replaced them
without first coming for a C of A and without telling Wayne when he was by there
talking with them; they led him to believe basically they were going to replace them.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Because, as I believe they intended to replace them. They
were finding difficulty apparently in doing just that.
LYNN PATRICK: We can debate that.
JOANN SPORLEDER: We weren't there. I took those people at their word. They said
what their time line on this thing was and I guess I believe what they said.
ALADEAN DEROSE: I would like to offer some legal advice. Though you may be
irritated with the owners for not following the rules, you must consider then this C of A
now before you without reference to any prior violations and as if the owner had failed to
obtain before performing work.
JOANN SPORLEDER: And with that in mind I will say that if it had come before me
without the time line issue and the presentation was made that they made an attempt at
replacing them all with the so called Scamozzi capitals; but, they had decided to go a
different route, I would have still approved it because the Doric capitals are very
appropriate for a Queen Anne structure. If for reasons of economics or structure they
found the Doric more amenable to their means, I would have approved it. That's
basically why I said what I said initially and that's why I would have approved it;
because, it is in keeping with the historical character of the building in which they live in.
It is regrettable to lose the Scamozzi capitals; but, they were wrecked and there wasn't
any salvaging of the original tops at all.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: They did fix one of them.
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JOANN SPORLEDER: One was already wrecked and so that was a replacement and
then the one on the south end was already half destroyed, at least in July, and it was
obvious that it was falling apart for quite some time and something was in the works to
get it fixed.
TODD ZEIGER: I have a question about your legal advice. I guess my question about
what you were talking about not weighing the fact that the work has already been done; I
am concerned about that with regard to us setting a precedent for somebody just to go
ahead and do the work and then come in for a C of A.
ALADEAN DEROSE: Occasionally some people will violate the rules and will not do
the appropriate thing and will be forced to redo the work but if someone accidentally or
for whatever reason comes in that has pre -done work that is in keeping with all of the
rules I don't think we can punish that person by requiring that person to redo the work
simply because they failed to obtain the prior C of A. All I am saying is look at it as if it
were an initial C of A without any resolutions.
TODD ZEIGER: So a future applicant can't use approval tonight as a precedent for
saying you approved such and such and they had already done the work.
ALADEAN DEROSE: Not at all. All you would be saying by granting this C of A is
that the owner had preformed the work in an historically appropriate way.
JOHN OXIAN: So in other words when we make a motion like we have done before on
something like this then we should put in there specifically that this is not a precedent and
give the reasons why we approved it and that this is first and last.
ALADEAN DEROSE: Right.
TODD ZEIGER: One of my concerns, Joann, is simply the fact the guidelines talk
about replication when there is an existing element which was in place by photographic
evidence this summer and it talks about if it's not available in more with keeping and I
don't agree with the fact that the Doric is more in keeping; the fact that the guidelines are
there to protect those elements that are unique to the district. Those capitals were unique
and we should have had a conversation about what happens to them before they were
replaced. The fact that that they didn't pull a building permit concerns me and that would
have triggered the C of A process to begin with and we would have had our conversation
about that and maybe be able to help find a location for them. I appreciate your research;
but, in our guidelines there it talks about more and I'm not buying into the fact that the
Doric are more when the fact is that there was an historic element there.
ALADEAN DEROSE: Well you have a committee recommendation so you have to
decide whether to accept the committee's recommendation or vote it down.
DIANA MATTHIAS: I live at 840 Park Avenue. I hoped the committee would have
read the quite long statement that my husband and I sent to you. My husband apologizes
for not being here and the reason is written in the statement that we sent you. We would
have certainly submitted the C of A before now had we realized we were meant to do so.
During the period in March when the neighborhood became part of the historical
preservation area I was away in England looking after my mother who in fact died on
March the 14`h the very day when the Chapin Park Local Historic District was
established. My husband was not well during this period and may have missed mailings
or circulars. At any rate we had no idea that we were meant to submit the C of A. It is
our understanding that a pre -ordinance guidebook was mailed to residents of the area on
or about September the 24`h, 2004. We may have received this guidebook at the time but
didn't attend to its contents. In September and October, 2004 we had major emergency
repairs done to our kitchen and bathroom when a plumbing leak collapsed the kitchen
ceiling. Both the kitchen and the bathroom had to be completely rebuilt. During some of
this time we were living in a motel. When we could live at home we lived in total chaos.
Anything coming in the mail that didn't require immediate attention was doubtless filed
away somewhere or lost as we tried to live in a house that was undergoing major repairs.
When we discovered that our capitals were broken or cracked we began the procedure
explained in our longer written statement. What was begun to locate appropriate capitals
in September of 2004. The actual work of installing the Doric capitals which seemed
best to conform with those on columns on Park Avenue began in the summer of 2005.
Although we had not yet read the guidebook as such for the capitals none the less, it was
made in the spirit of the statement on page twenty of the guidebook quoted in the staff
report.
Dissatisfied with the replica we had used before we were for a design more in
keeping with the historic period of the structure. Just as the work was about to get
underway on our porch my husband had a conversation with Wayne Doolittle,
(inspector), about the capitals; this was on July 11`h, 2005, when Wayne took the
photograph of the broken Scamozzi which forms part of the application packet. My
husband and Wayne spoke for a few moments about the difficulty of finding the
appropriate replacements for the broken or damaged Scamozzi. Had Wayne said
anything at the time about the necessity of filing a C of A we would have done so.
In fact we would have done almost anything to avoid the hassle that this
misunderstanding has produced for all concerned. But, we knew no more after this
conversation than we did before. We decided to replace the broken Scamozzi with the
Doric capitals because we did not like the plaster imitation Scamozzi installed by
Peacock and Company in 2002 and we could not find anything that looked better through
our contractor, Jeffrey Dierbeck, with whom we have worked with for over twenty years.
We began work on the project hoping to get it finished by winter so that we could
stop the deterioration of the columns themselves. We prefer the look of the Doric
capitals and find them consistent both with the period eclecticism of Queen Anne style
and the capitals of the other houses in our part of Park Avenue. Somebody on the
committee asked me to bring a broken piece of the Scamozzi capital here because you
would want to see it.
LYNN PATRICK: Did the contractor who replaced the capitals put in for a building
permit?
DIANA MATTHIAS: No. He spoke to Wayne and Wayne evidently told him that he
shouldn't do that because we had to submit the C of A which as soon as we knew about it
we did.
LYNN PATRICK: He spoke to Wayne and Wayne told him he should not put in for a
building permit?
DIANA MATTHIAS: Yes, that is what the contractor told me.
LYNN PATRICK: Is that correct, Wayne?
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: No that is completely false. I talked to him and I told him he
needed to have a building permit. He asked me at the time when he was painting the
house, and he asked me should he stop painting the house. I said no - that doesn't come
under our jurisdiction so he continued painting the house. I told him under no uncertain
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terms that he needed to have a building permit. There was no doubt in his mind what I
told him. I don't know how he managed to confuse that; but, that is exactly what I told
him.
DIANA MATTHIAS: I am afraid that I didn't know.
JOANN SPORLEDER: They were painting the house in July?
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: No, this was after the Doric capitals were put in. The painters
were there; they were finishing putting some of the molding on it. They asked me if they
should stop painting, and I said no, continue painting because you want to protect the
wood that is there. We do not have authority over painting. What I was speaking of was
the replacement of the Scamozzis and what they had to do and there are requirements by
the city that require him to get a building permit.
JOANN SPORLEDER: What was the date that this exchange happened with the
contractor, approximately?
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: I don't know when that particular conversation was. It was in
September, I believe. It was whenever you were having the columns finished.
DIANA MATTHIAS: I think that was October.
JOANN SPORLEDER: With what you had said was that somewhere in that particular
thing then you were alerted to applying for a C of A, which is why we have it in front of
us now.
DIANA MATTHIAS: Yes.
JOANN SPORLEDER: You did apply for a C of A when you were made aware that
you were supposed to do that.
DIANA MATTHIAS: As soon as we knew about it we applied for it, yes indeed.
JOANN SPORLEDER: That was in October?
DIANA MATTHIAS: Yes.
JOANN SPORLEDER: This is why it is on our November agenda.
DIANA MATTHIAS: Yes. I hope you see why we didn't apply for the C of A at the
time we should have, because we didn't know about it and I can quite say we should have
known about it; but, with one thing and another we didn't. It was not a rejection of this;
we certainly would have applied for it had we known about it.
LYNN PATRICK: You prefer the Doric capitals, then?
DIANA MATTHIAS: Yes I do.
MARY JANE CHASE: You stated that Mr. Dierbeck has been working for you for
over twenty years?
DIANA MATTHIAS: Yes.
MARY JANE CHASE: In that amount of time he never was aware that he needed a
building permit. If he has been a contractor for that many years he would know that he
would need a building permit.
DIANA MATTHIAS: I am afraid I don't know what he knows and what he doesn't
know.
MARY JANE CHASE: A contractor would have to know this and I think he would
have to be licensed too.
DIANA MATTHIAS: I asked him this last night and he was under the impression that
the work that he was doing on our porch wasn't structural enough to require a building
permit and I didn't know what the differences were between what was required for a
building permit and what was not.
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MARY JANE CHASE: I just thought after twenty years he would have been aware of
this.
DIANA MATTHIAS: I would have thought so too. Peacock and Company, when they
repaired our porch after it was destroyed by a tornado in 2001 applied for a building
permit. It seemed understandable to me that what Jeff Dierbeck was doing this year was
very much less. It didn't seem to me that it was structural. I thought that was the
difference between the need for the building permit and no need for a building permit.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I will second the Standards and Maintenance Committee's
recommendation.
MARY JANE CHASE: Could you repeat that so we understand what we are
approving?
JOANN SPORLEDER: Is it to approve the C of A as presented.
LYNN PATRICK: So we have to vote on the recommendation made by the Standards
and Maintenance Committee.
JOHN OXIAN: Why don't we do an individual hand vote on this motion?
LYNN PATRICK: Let's put it to a hand vote then. All those in favor of accepting the
Standards and Maintenance Committee's recommendation signify by raising their hand.
Joann Sporleder was in favor of the recommendation and everyone else was against
the recommendation. Motion was denied.
JOANN SPORLEDER: So what does this mean exactly?
LYNN PATRICK: This means that their C of A is denied.
JOANN SPORLEDER: It was my understanding and Aladean; perhaps you can
illuminate me again, is that when a C of A is not accepted that the reasons for it being not
accepted must be part of the motion so that it's quite clear why it was not accepted.
ALADEAN DEROSE: Any denial of a C of A requires that those members of the
commission that are going to deny the C of A will need to state their reasons for denying
the C or A.
LYNN PATRICK: Should we do that at this point?
ALADEAN DEROSE: Absolutely.
Individual reasons for denial of C of A
TODD ZEIGER: My reasons are simply that the replacement of the historic material
that has been completed does not follow the guidelines as set up for the historic district in
which it sits.
MARY JANE CHASE: There was a Scamozzi which proved that was the capital that
should be there on the column which was changed to the Doric. I can't believe that a
contractor with a twenty year record does not know the procedures of the city for a
building permit. He would have known that he would have had to have a C of A and that
would have taken care of that right then.
MARTHA CHOITZ: I feel now that I have heard more of the detail of what actually
had transpired and the dates that went with it. There was ample time for them to have
followed through on instructions that they had.
LYNN PATRICK: I feel also based on additional verbal testimony that there are
insufficient grounds to grant this C of A based on contact with HPC personnel, based on
our mailings whether or not they opened them or chose not to, based on architectural
variety in the district which is one of the things that Chapin Park residents were very
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proud of. For these and other reasons which I can't come up with off the top of my head,
this is why I voted against the C of A.
ALADEAN DEROSE: Let me again caution you that your reasons cannot be generic
and must be specific.
JOHN OXIAN: You're saying that we cannot use the reasons that what was stated in
the Preservation Plan as a reason to deny it?
ALADEAN DEROSE: I am not saying that I am saying you can't use as your reason
the fact that they did not obtain a C of A in advance. You can use as your reason that it
doesn't comply with the standards and just the basis for your objection to the C of A.
JOHN OXIAN: I have several reasons. The Standards were sent out*and whether you
read the standards or not does not grant you the right to state that you found out later thus
in the Preservation Plan it specifically states what you may do and what you may not do.
You already replaced one of the Scamozzi capitals in 2001. You had a few to be
repaired. Allowing these to be repaired would have been the right route instead of having
them all removed which then means you're going against what was established as the
original picture of the building or the house at the time the district was established. That
would be several of my reasons for denying this C of A.
ALADEAN DEROSE: Let me give you a pointer as your making your decision. The
rules say that shall be retained or replaced by replicas of the same design where by the
design more in keeping with the historic period of the structure. I think you'll have to
factually state that the Doric is not more in keeping than the Scamozzi for the historic
period of the structure.
JOHN OXIAN: I really disagree with you there. I don't think I have to justify that
because that was there and she came in with a C of A after the fact and after the
Scamozzis were removed and a different style was put in. That tome does not justify the
right to do that and if I was in court I don't think that would fly what you state, Aladean.
ALADEAN DEROSE: I am not agreeing or disagree on this. I am just reading the
standards and I know that in order to support the denial you'll have to show that the
standards were violated. The standards say that a piece of decoration shall be retained or
replaced by replicas of the same design or by a design more in keeping with the historic
period of the structure. That's your standards and what you have to say is that this C of A
does not comply with that standard. You need to give facts to support your decision.
That's all I am saying.
MARTHA CHOITZ: My comments certainly meant that I should include that and I did
not and that's perfectly true.
ALADEAN DEROSE: If any member wishes to reinforce what they said before then I
think they should.
JOHN OXIAN: Then I think what Julie wrote in her report would support my opinion.
ALADEAN DEROSE: Then what you can say is that you would incorporate in your
decision the original staff recommendation.
LYNN PATRICK: I think we should all go back through and restate our reasons for the
interest of clarity and so we are on sound legal footing.
JOANN SPORLEDER: In that case I would like to also use this opportunity to state my
reasons for agreeing with this C of A.
ALADEAN DEROSE: I don't think it is necessary to state the reasons for agreeing with
this C of A.
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JOANN SPORLEDER: I am asking if I may have the opportunity to state my reasons
why I agree with the C of A whether it is necessary or not.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: It is already in the record.
ALADEAN DEROSE: I believe the recommendation of the committee stands on its
own and that is a matter of record, and so to the extent that your rationale is contained in
the committee recommendation that's part of the record.
TODD ZEIGER: Are we restating then the previous comments are being struck? Is that
how this works?
ALADEAN DEROSE: You can re -add to your comments; that's what I am saying.
TODD ZEIGER: I am incorporating as part of my comments the staff recommendations
that have been presented to the commission previous to this meeting just to reinforce my
decision for the denial of this C of A.
MARY JANE CHASE: I do the same.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Same here.
LYNN PATRICK: Same for Lynn Patrick.
JOHN OXIAN: I already stated mine and also stated what I based it on.
DIANE WROBEL-ILLES: I actually thought the Scamozzi was a unique style in
itself and different from the one it was replaced with; however, I understand you said
and I have to remove that thought from what I was originally going to say. The permits
were an issue so I will go along with the staff recommendation.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: I will read an excerpt from Julie's report.
JOANN SPORLEDER: If you do that, please, then I would like to make my statement.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: No.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Then I am going to be excused because I have been denied my
right to speak.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: The rationale behind the staff reports people are
referring to that they probably didn't bring with them is that, "architectural evidence that
the terra cotta Scamozzi capitals on wood shafts were available and used in Chapin
Park/west side of the South Bend area from 1890 to 1909. The Queen Ann Inn (circa
1893), which was located at 512 North Lafayette, has its terra cotta capitals on wood
shafts. The shafts are fluted; but, unfluted shafts are also available as seen on 220 South
Taylor (circa 1905). The Scamozzi capital was a popular type and the loss of it from the
diverse architectural vocabulary of the first decade of the 201h century would be a shame".
She also goes on for several more pages about this; but, basically there is enough
architectural evidence in and around the Chapin Park area and in and around Park
Avenue that terra cotta Scamozzis were on wooden shafts. This was an original feature
of the house and the staff's contention that it is since the collapse of the terra cotta
industry happened in the 1930's, which would have had to make these Scamozzis at least
seventy-five years old. They were on the house when it came into the district. There was
a removal of an original feature from the time that the house came into the district and
that is why we are recommending for denial this C of A.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I would like to say that I am an Architectural Historian by
training, by education, and by extreme amount of study of this particular area and period.
The standards say what they say and however much we may disagree or regret the loss of
the Scamozzi capitals as an emotional thing, which I believe we are now into. What was
done and the reasons it was done that way were sound and they picked a style to use
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which was amenably appropriate to that particular historical period and style. In fact if
one does any serious research in the architectural booklets that illuminate the various
parts of the style you will not find Scamozzi anywhere. That doesn't mean that they
didn't happen and that they weren't also done and they are as people have said interesting
and unique, there's no denying that; however, what was replaced was stylistically
appropriate and correct as far as the style concerned and I will continue to stand on that.
LYNN PATRICK: I think we are concluded with 840 Park Avenue.
JOANN SPORLEDER: No, I don't think we are. Now that we have denied it what are
the instructions to do next? We have given no instructions, we have simply denied it.
LYNN PATRICK: They can call Catherine and talk to her about submitting a petition.
JOANN SPORLEDER: To do what?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Put them back up.
JOANN SPORLEDER: If they decide they're not willing to do that then what is their
other option?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: I will refer that to Aladean.
JOANN SPORLEDER: What is their next option if they do not want to undo what they
have done?
ALADEAN DEROSE: An injunction can be requested prohibiting them from
continuing to have the Doric style capitals.
JOANN SPORLEDER: It was my impression that any total disagreement with the
decisions of the commission could be taken to the Common Council.
ALADEAN DEROSE: They have the right of appeal first and assuming that they
appeal within a certain period of time then the Common Council will review your
decision.
4. 2005-0825; 517 Carroll (revocation hearing)
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: (See staff report, notice of possible revocation of C of
A, copy of I" page of September 19, 2005 monthly minutes, and black/white pictures of
owner's house attached to HPC meeting binder). Catherine also passed around colored
photos of the owner's house for commission members to look at for better detail.
(Homeowner, Kent Anderson, was present).
KENT ANDERSON: I have no recollection of saying anything about the wood siding
underneath the aluminum siding. The only thing I said was that the aluminum siding has
been damaged and I wanted to replace it. You kept asking me about the wood siding
underneath and I said I have no idea. I have no better idea than you would have. I would
not have torn off the other siding if you wouldn't have agreed to let me cover it.
LYNN PATRICK: I am looking at the statement in the September 19`h meeting minutes
that you made when we spoke of this.
KENT ANDERSON: I read that also and if that was a direct quote from me I do not
remember making that statement about what was underneath the aluminum siding. I had
no way of knowing any more than you did.
LYNN PATRICK: I remember you saying it as well as having it in the minutes.
KENT ANDERSON: That the wood siding was bad underneath?
LYNN PATRICK: That it was rotten underneath and that is the exact wording I recall.
We then came out and looked at it and found that not to be the case. In fact, if you follow
the recommendation and do a nice paint job it will be a real enhancement of that
structure.
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KENT ANDERSON: That is putting me in a major hardship at a time where I can't do
it.
LYNN PATRICK: Do we have a quote on the price for a good paint job? Todd, do we
have any idea?
TODD ZEIGER: No, I can't speak for the petitioner.
JOHN OXIAN: If you're talking about types of paint and all that I can tell you what it is
because I had my house painted this year and my house is as big as his house.
ALADEAN DEROSE: I think one of the things you are going to have to ask the owner
this time is whether he stands by his statement that the wood siding was rotten and in bad
shape or whether he agrees with the assessment by all of those who have seen it, that's
not the case.
KENT ANDERSON: I have no knowledge of wood siding; but, if you hadn't made me
tear off the other siding you wouldn't know either.
JOHN OXIAN: How much of the siding have you tom off so far?
KENT ANDERSON: It is all off.
JOHN OXIAN: I thought that's what I saw.
TODD ZEIGER: I have a question for Wayne or the staff with regards to one of the
things we talked about at the last meeting, which was how to deal with the decorative
trim around the windows. We had a long conversation about this and your contractor was
here and he talked about building the window jams and the windowsills and all that. Did
you have a conversation with him about how all of that was going to be handled as far as
the depth was concerned?
KENT ANDERSON: Yes, he said we couldn't do it.
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: When siding was put on the front of most of these houses the
trim was knocked off. The sills were cut so they could put the channels in right around
the window. If you get rid of something you're going to have to put something there.
Those can be reattached relatively easily; they are, I think, about four inches long on
either side. There's a house that was redone on Park Avenue where the siding was pulled
off and all of the original wood was put back on. I can't tell you what individual things
would cost.
TODD ZEIGER: I'm not asking that. I was asking if you had talked to the owner about
how to handle the trim and the gables on this house.
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: We talked about it some; but, I can't say we spoke — the gable
part of it though was going to be painted anyway.
TODD ZEIGER: There was a long conversation at the last meeting about needing to
build the window trim out significantly and I disagreed with that need. Now that the
aluminum siding is off, I think, there is a better ability to figure out exactly what needs to
be done around the windows and the corner boards on each of the corners.
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: Bob Yapp and I discussed at that time putting those back on.
We had a conversation on what to do at that point. I don't know if you were there; but,
we had a conversation and we talked about traditional ways of repairing. Are we
looking at basically the body of the house?
TODD ZEIGER: The J -channel up the side, the comer boards, I believe, it's the corner
boards exposed, the window trim exposed.
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: Yes, everything was exposed.
JOHN OXIAN: Everything is there.
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WAYNE DOOLITTLE: The only thing you're looking at was to cover the body of the
house. You had to incorporate the trim and put it back on.
JOHN OXIAN: Not much of the trim is missing; because, during this time period of
aluminum siding very little of the trim was removed; usually it was just covered over. It
is later on that your siding really takes out the trim.
I will make a motion that this C of A be denied and that the owner comes back with a
new proposal with the help of the staff and the inspector and we go from there.
ALADEAN DEROSE: The motion has to be that the C of A that you previously issued
be revoked.
JOHN OXIAN: That's what I said. I accept the staff report and that the previous C of A
be revoked and that the owner then work with the staff and the inspector and come back
with a new C of A on what should be the right way to do this.
DIANE WROBEL-ILLES: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
TODD ZEIGER: Aladean, under this discussion do we have to do the same thing as far
as articulating the reasons like we did on the previous C of A?
ALADEAN DEROSE: You can incorporate the staff's rationale.
JOHN OXIAN: Do each one of us have to give a reason or can I give a reason for all of
us?
ALADEAN DEROSE: The person who makes the motion should give the reason why.
JOHN OXIAN: I will make the reason being that the statement that was originally made
by the owner that the under siding of the building, the original siding, was rotted and it
was so stated and as was stated on the tape that was played and then put into the minutes.
That is not true and the staff now states the reason why and that is what I used as the
reason to ask for the revocation of the earlier C of A.
John Oxian makes the motion and Diane Wrobel-Illes seconds the motion and it
passes unanimously.
LYNN PATRICK: Are you clear with the decision that was made, Mr. Anderson?
KENT ANDERSON: I don't know what I am going to do. I don't know if I am going
to have to sell the house and move or what.
LYNN PATRICK: That's why I am asking you if you are clear about the decision that
was made.
KENT ANDERSON: Yes, you denied me putting up the aluminum siding.
LYNN PATRICK: No, that is not what we said. We revoked this C of A and we asked
that you work with the inspector and staff to put together a new C of A that is very
explicit regarding what is to be left exposed, what is to be painted, and what is to be
sided. So we found a middle ground for you.
TODD ZEIGER: The previous approval was very vague on all of that detail; because,
we had a long conversation about the trim.
Lynn Patrick stated that she would try and talk with Mr. Anderson some more about this
matter after the meeting adjourned.
5. 502 East LaSalle -Bergen Building Local Landmark Demolition
JOHN OXIAN: I would like to make a motion to table number 5 and number 6 under
Certificates of Appropriateness and under Old Business number 4, until the December
meeting at which time the Landmarks Committee will make a recommendation on all
three of these buildings.
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ALADEAN DEROSE: John, the only concern I have, is whether you are within when
that forty-five day time limit expires.
JOHN OXIAN: Number 4, under Old Business, is under a six month protection.
Number 5, I talked with the owner after the meeting on Friday and he stated it was ok.
Number 6, has already been asked to be tabled until the December meeting.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: John, are you sure you want to table number 5?
JOHN OXIAN: Yes.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: The owner did not express that to us.
JOHN OXIAN: I talked to him after the meeting on Friday and I asked him after
everyone left. He was talking to me about how well I was dressed for that time of the
year and we were talking about it and I mentioned to him that I am going to make a
recommendation that the Bergen Building be tabled. I also talked with Bob Yapp, earlier
and we would like to make a recommendation on which parts of the building, if we go
ahead with demolition should be saved and can be approved at that time also.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: I am passing out Bob Yapp's report.
JOHN OXIAN: That's another thing; I haven't seen Bob Yapp's report yet.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We just got it this afternoon.
JOHN OXIAN: That's another reason I would table this. I don't have to justify myself
and my committee report to you, Catherine.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: I know that, I am just letting you know that I'm passing
out Bob Yapp's report and the owner is here also.
LYNN PATRICK: If the owner is here, then I would like to hear from the owner if that
is what he would like us to do.
TODD ZEIGER: Are you referring to number 5?
LYNN PATRICK: Yes. If the owner is here and wants us to table this, won't that get
us around the forty-five day rule, Aladean?
ALADEAN DEROSE: Yes, if that is what he wants to do.
PAUL SCHMITT: I am the owner of J.C. Lauber Sheet Metal Co. I know you talked
about tabling this to me; but, if that was really going to be that way, and you said you
may do it, you did not say you were absolutely going to do it; then why did I even come
here tonight?
JOHN OXIAN: I was going to get back with you on that and maybe go through the
committee and possibly let you know ahead of time if we were going to go with
demolition and there are some other things I want to see happen concerning the building.
In other words, if we go with demolition then I want to see parts of the building saved
and I can't do that in this short period of time.
LYNN PATRICK: It can be stated within the context of the C of A what is to be saved
and what is to be done to the building as it states in this last paragraph of Bob Yapp's
letter. Did Paul get a copy of this?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: No, wejust got it this afternoon.
LYNN PATRICK: He might like to see this then.
TODD ZEIGER: Since the petitioner is already here, I think we should go ahead with
number 5, 502 East LaSalle. I don't have any objections to tabling number 6 under New
Business because I think that was going to be withdrawn anyway and number 4 under
Old Business.
JOHN OXIAN: Then I will withdraw my motion on C of A number 5 then.
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LYNN PATRICK: I don't know if you have had a chance to read Mr. Yapp's letter but
it is specific about how we want to proceed on this. Specifically that the owners allow
HPC in partnership with Historic Landmarks Foundation to salvage many of the key
architectural features inside and out before demolition begins. Mr. Yapp also suggests
that the C of A require that the west end of the one story building be clad with original
brick from the Bergen Building or a historic looking brick. There should also be
windows on the west side that flow with the architecture.
PAUL SCHMITT: That may be possible; but, on the other hand there's no guarantee of
exactly what's going to happen when they start bringing the building down. Right now
we do not know whether or not we can save the west wall. If we can, it maybe a case
where we have to tear it down and rebuild it. You can see we've got some structural
beams there that level and the line of brick is going down hill at such an angle that you
see on the west elevation of the building on the west wall, which is there now on the
outside of the building, that it isn't going to look very nice with that nose-diving down
into the ground like it is now. I am not really sure what's going to happen there.
LYNN PATRICK: No one does. What I wanted to point out and I think others will
agree with me is that given the severe state of the building, catastrophic structure failure,
we have an idea of what you're dealing with and that's why it says here "partner". We
don't even have the whole plan on how the building is going to be taken down yet, do
we? Is that contained in the demolition permit?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: No.
LYNN PATRICK: So there's still some planning to be done before everything comes
down and that's why it talks about partnering with HPC and HLFI. We know we cannot
guarantee nor can you what's going to happen when you actually start getting into it. We
understand that. We wanted to go through this so you could start moving forward on
your project.
JOHN OXIAN: What's written here is what I was going to suggest. I was going to be
more specific on what parts should be saved or salvaged and then work with Mr. Schmitt
on how to do this. We could then come back with a recommendation on whether it could
be done or not and talk with the contractors. You want to jump the gun and do it this
way, then fine.
PAUL SCHMITT: If you want to go in there and save something that's fine. I have
gone through a lot of expense now just to get this far to see if I can save the other
building. Do you want to pick up the tab for these other items that you're talking about?
I don't have a problem with that if you would like to do that. Right now the main thing
on the agenda is that the building has to come down before I can do anything to save the
structure that my business is in. If I try and jack this thing up that building is going to go
down by itself. If you want to save something, then I suggest you do it now before the
building comes down. You can see the crack on the side of the building and the bricks
are ready to fall out at any time. I do not want to be responsible for that any more. I have
had that responsibility hanging over my head now for quite awhile. I have been working
with engineers on this to try and get this job done safely so it's not a public danger.
JOANN SPORLEDER: How are you going to demolish the building? Is it going to be
imploded or is it going to be dismantled?
PAUL SCHMITT: Ritschard Brothers could probably tell you more on how they are
going to do that then what I could. They are going to start from the outside on the west
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side wall and also on the front of LaSalle Street and they are going to pull the comers
down. What we're trying to do is save the inside west wall which adjoins the J.C. Lauber
Sheet Metal Company. That wall will be taken down until it is approximately two foot
above our roof line so that we have a parapet wall there.
JOANN SPORLEDER: So then it will be above the one story structure to east of the
two story structure.
PAUL SCHMITT: That's correct. We would like to keep it even with the cornice work
that we have there now.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Would it be possible to salvage the stone section on the front
of the building on LaSalle Street?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: It's tin.
JOANN SPORLEDER: That whole section is tin.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Yes, it is.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Could that be salvaged when you're taking the building down?
PAUL SCHMITT: It would be like building it almost to take it down. It is all masonry
right behind it and I don't know exactly how it could be dismantled and taken down.
You will never get it down in one piece -I guarantee you that. To strip all that cornice
work off there would be quite a project. Part of the roofwould have to come off to even
get to all of the parts that hold it together.
JOANN SPORLEDER: You are taking the roof down anyway, aren't you?
PAUL SCHMITT: That is correct; but, the manner in which they demolish buildings is
not exactly the way that you would go and try to dig artifacts out of the ground like they
do in Egypt.
JOHN OXIAN: Yes, but, the commission can ask you to save it because you are
knocking down a landmark and you are taking the landmark completely out of the
picture. We as a commission can ask you and can require you to do that. The company
who is going to demolish your building is Ritschard Brothers, right?
PAUL SCHMITT: That's correct.
JOHN OXIAN: Ritschard Brothers knows how to do something the right way if they
have to do it because they have done things like this before. So it's not like they don't
know how to do a proper demolition job.
LYNN PATRICK: Do you have an estimate of cost on the demolition job from
Ritschard Brothers?
PAUL SCHMITT: Yes.
LYNN PATRICK: What is the cost?
PAUL SCHMITT: You should have a copy of that.
LYNN PATRICK: Do we have a copy of that, Catherine?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Yes we do, it is in the form of a letter. It is a demolition
permit which includes: utility disconnection and underground utility locations, filed the
asbestos notification forms, set up barricades for traffic control as required, demolish the
building and dispose of same offsite, furnish and place fill as required to back fill the
basement to surrounding grades. Will perform the work listed as for the above sum of
$35,683.00 dollars.
PAUL SCHMITT: I have already incurred another loss of $1,100.00 dollars because
they were issued a permit to go ahead and demolish the building and actually somebody
in that office messed up and gave them a permit and they weren't supposed to. So here I
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am incurring that cost also. I don't know what is going to happen here, but if I have to I
will go after the city, or the building department, or who ever issued that permit to recoup
that $1,100.00 dollars because they wrongfully submitted or gave out the permit.
ALADEAN DEROSE: The building department didn't follow their procedures.
TODD ZEIGER: Have we actually officially started this C of A yet?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: No.
TODD ZEIGER: I would like to request that we begin this C of A like we normally do.
We don't have to start over; but, we do need to get this into a form where we can actually
act on this C of A.
LYNN PATRICK: Yes.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: (See staff report, pictures, and work description attached
to C of A in HPC meeting binder). (Also see written inspection report from Mark E.
Gronek, P.E., and Geotechnical Exploration report prepared by Weaver Boos
Consultants, LLC, Geo -Environmental Engineers and Scientists). (The owner, Mr. Paul
Schmitt, was present).
TODD ZEIGER: I will make the motion on this C of A that demolition be approved. I
would also like to add in addition to the staff comments that some key architectural
elements on the interior be allowed to be salvaged and that the west wall of the one-story
building that is going to remain be re -clad with some sort of historical looking brick or
historic brick if possible; something that would fit in with his existing building. There
should also be some sort of window fenestration along the west side of that existing
building once that side has been re -clad.
PAUL SCHMITT: Is it ok if it looks like a window; but, might not actually be one?
TODD ZEIGER: Finally we need some sort of site plan for that corner once the
building is down. We understand you don't have a total plan right now about what's
going to go on with that comer and how it is going to look when it's done. These items
should be allowed to be worked out with staff and the Standards and Maintenance
Committee.
PAUL SCHMITT: Yes, I want it to look good too. I don't really want to put any
windows there; however, I could make it look like a window, just like what's up there on
the second story now, where they have the archways over it; but, it's bricked in.
TODD ZEIGER: The concern I am expressing is simply that it's not just a big blank
wall in that corner. When you're coming down the street you don't want to see a big
blank wall without any sort of window fenestration whatsoever. That's what I would put
out for some discussion among the commission and we could work that out. Obviously
we need some more details before we can finally act. We want to be able to get moving
on this so you don't have the nuisance.
PAUL SCHMITT: Well I can guarantee you that we will be doing some brick
veneering or something out there; but, first I have got to get the building down. If I can
get the building down next summer, the whole front of my building is going to look like
sin for awhile while they're trying to jack everything up because I actually have to get
this done before the first of the year so that the engineer can get his engineering work
done from the front. He really needs to have this done so I can sign the contract with him
to do the engineering for that part and then go ahead and get the concrete specialist. As
far as the side of the building goes we don't know yet, that may come down also. If I do
rebuild I promise you I will do it with some masonry that looks -----
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TODD ZEIGER: There should be some conversation with the staff and the Standards
and Maintenance Committee since it was a landmark corner before you move forward
with reconstruction. We need to have some say in what it's going to look like so it looks
good at the end. We can work together with you on that.
PAUL SCHMITT: I will go along with that one hundred percent.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes. John Oxian opposes.
JOHN OXIAN: I will oppose the motion because it was not a recommendation of my
committee; because, you by-passed my committee. I also don't think it should be
mentioned in there that HLFI would be involved with the salvage of key architectural
features, thus Todd should not be making this motion; somebody else should be because
of his conflict of interest.
TODD ZEIGER: That wasn't my motion, John, I just simply,said salvage.
JOHN OXIAN: That still sounds like a conflict of interest to me and you shouldn't be
making this motion; somebody else should be making it instead because you are HLFI.
LYNN PATRICK: Would somebody else like to make a motion that HLFI could assist
them in the salvage of architectural details from this building before demolition.
MARTHA CHOITZ: I will make that motion.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes. Todd Zeiger abstains.
PAUL SCHMITT: You can take whatever you want off the building; but, give me a
time frame here so that I can reschedule with Ritschard Brothers to get this done.
LYNN PATRICK: To answer someone's earlier question about where this came from,
it comes from our Community Preservation Specialist's recommendation that the owners
allow HPC in partnership with HLFI to salvage many of the key architectural features
inside and out before demolition begins.
6. 2300 Portage Avenue Local Landmark Demolition
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We received a fax from May Oberfell Lorber to request
that the 2300 Portage Avenue Local Landmark Demolition be tabled.
JOHN OXIAN: The Landmarks Committee recommends that.
TODD ZEIGER: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
B. LANDMARK
1. Navarre Cabin — Report by Joan Sporleder
(See gray copy of Joann's report attached to HPC monthly meeting packet).
DAVID BAINBRIDGE: I am from the Northern Indiana Historical Society. As you are
well aware we are interested in following through with the major restoration of the
Navarre cabin. I understand from the last meeting there were some additional questions
and that is why I am here. Are there any questions?
JOANN SPORLEDER: Did you get a copy of my report?
DAVID BAINBRIDGE: No, I did not.
JOANN SPORLEDER: At the end of my report it says, "I believe this reflects my
conversation with David Bainbridge. So in effect my recommendation to the commission
is to approve the C of A as submitted with the addition of the alternate on the Gable
ends."
5. Gable ends: Proposed framing with siding was questioned because currently
existing has exposed logs in gable ends. Meeting with David B. and Todd Z. and
referencing older photos of "cabin" continued to be inconclusive. (photo show
horizontal siding, but also shows furring strips on logs were siding had been
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removed.) I would like to suggest that the commission give NICH the option of
either: Use horizontal siding over framing, OR: Use logs as it currently looks,
basing their decision on the physical evidence that is encountered as the building
is dismantled; and further, that NICH report their findings and decision to HPC
for our records.
Is that acceptable? I thought that's what we talked about.
DAVID BAINBRIDGE: Yes it is. Just for your interest, just today abetter photograph
has surfaced. I think we talked about keeping the log ends on it and for maintenance I
think it is a fairly good idea; but, I have to take another look at it. It does show upright
supports with a lathe on the end.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Whatever the physical evidence is that seems like a good idea
to me to redo it that way. However you decide. My recommendation is to leave that
little bit up to you to decide how you want to handle it. Just let us know. That's my
recommendation.
DAVID BAINBRIDGE: Ok, thank you. Are there any other questions?
JOHN OXIAN: What does the new photograph show?
DAVID BAINBRIDGE: Vic Leatherwood who did this study noticed there was some
mortaring on the top log as you went into the gable and he thought there were uprights
with an irregular lathe board end. Just as Joann said, the photographs we have in some
show a great deal of detail; but, not on the gable ends. There was some question about
that and of course as we dismantle the cabin that would be answered. In the interest of
Joann's suggestion to reconsider this, I got to thinking about it and I thought the gable log
ends that are there now certainly have a very hard patented surface to them, and we just
might go with that for the question of maintenance. Talking with Vic Leatherwood, the
National Parks Service, and the National Trust, we are within our, I don't want to say,
rights, because we could take it back to either one as Joann is suggesting but they now
often take a building back to its latest major renovation. So either way we will be in
good standing.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I recommend that the so called Navarre Cabin specifications as
presented to us in the first place be accepted as presented with the addition of letting
NICH decide whether they want to use the logs or the siding in the gable ends as seems
appropriate to them and to let us know what they decide.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
C. NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION
Walker Field and North Liberty Individual Sites
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: (See white copies of National Register Nomination Staff
Reports for Walker Field Shelterhouse and North Liberty Park attached to HPC monthly
meeting packet). I need the commission's approval on these two so we can send them on.
TODD ZEIGER: I will make that motion.
LYNN PATRICK: Seconds the motion.
JOHN OXIAN: Are you going to do every one of these WPA's separately around town?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Just three.
JOHN OXIAN: What about the other ones?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We just received on Friday, the Riverwall nomination.
We didn't receive it in time to put it in the monthly meeting packet. You can approve
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that one also tonight if you wish. Those were the only three that she had that would pass
muster down in Indianapolis.
JOHN OXIAN: What about the one down by Northside Blvd?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: That was the one I was talking about, the Riverwall.
JOHN OXIAN: Is that what it's called?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Yes, it is called the Northside Boulevard Riverwall.
JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion that all three be sent down.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Todd has already made a motion on this.
TODD ZEIGER: I will withdraw my motion.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: John Oxian has made a motion to accept all three
nominations. You currently only have two of these nominations in your HPC monthly
meeting packet.
DIANE WROBEL-ILLES: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
III. REGULAR BUSINESS
A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES —(October 17, 2005)
MARTHA CHOITZ: I move that the October 17th minutes of the HPC be accepted as
printed.
TODD ZEIGER: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously. John Oxian abstains.
B. TREASURER'S REPORT
JOHN OXIAN: Catherine and I met and she explained to me what sum of money that
has not been spent so far will be encumbered for. I am sure all of you will receive a
report on that. (See green copy of Treasurer's report attached to HPC monthly meeting
binder).
JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion that the Treasurer's Report be accepted.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
C. COMMITTEE REPORTS
1. President's Report — (will be given next month)
D. STAFF REPORTS
1. C of A Approvals; Correspondence;
A. Director's Report
B. Assistant Director's Report
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: The Director's Report and the Assistant Director's
report are going to be delivered next month because of the length of this month's agenda.
I do have the Historic Landmarks Foundation of Indiana statement that I need the
commission's approval on. (See white copy of Historic Landmarks Foundation of
Indiana letter attached to HPC monthly meeting packet).
This is for the Commission Assistance Program and/or our part in the Old House Fair.
It is a total of $9,000.00 dollars altogether for both of those items. We will get half of the
net proceeds on the Old House Fair, which will be at the Century Center in May of 2006.
The Commission Assistance Program contract is identical to the one that we had last
year. I have a copy of last year's contract for anyone who would like to look at it. All I
need is a vote from the commission to approve this and I will get that money over to
HLFI out of this year's budget.
MARY JANE CHASE: I will make a motion that we approve the request for monies for
Old House Fair and also the Commission Assistance Program.
DIANE WROBEL-ILLES: Seconds the motion and it passes. Todd Zeiger abstains.
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2. Legal
ALADEAN DEROSE: I am most pleased to introduce to all of you today your new
council to the HPC, Shawn Peterson, who has come to us from Baker and Daniels as a
very experienced attorney. I can attest to his intelligence, his conscientiousness, and his
work ethic. I think you will be very pleased to have him as your legal council. If ever
there's a date or time that Shawn cannot be here then I will remain as his back up.
Shawn Peterson briefly introduced himself to the commission.
IV. OLD BUSINESS
1. Chapin Park Standards and Guidelines, Taylor's Field and LWE
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We have them underway and Julie's been working on
them all month. We hope to have them all printed off and ready to go by the end of this
year, or the beginning of next year.
MARTHA CHOITZ: To the printer or back from the printer?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Back from the printer.
2. Vote on Amendment to By -Laws
LYNN PATRICK: Catherine, did you have a chance to ask Aladean about that one
suggested change?
ALADEAN DEROSE: Yes, she did. Catherine mentioned that Julie had suggested that
the committee language have the same language as in the Advisory Board to the effect
that no opinion or recommendation made by the committee shall constitute official action
of the Commission nor shall it bind the Commission in any way. I don't have a problem
with adding that language; however, committee's generally as a rule don't have binding
authority on what the commission does so it's not necessary, but if you want to add that
we certainly can.
JOHN OXIAN: How come in Section 2, you state, "Special Committees may be
appointed by resolution of the Commission, or by unanimous consent, to serve at the
pleasure of the Commission." What is the idea of unanimous consent? I don't
understand why you need that.
ALADEAN DEROSE: It is simply a more instant way of appointing special
committees. Frankly I don't know, this is the existing language
JOHN OXIAN: I've seen where you say maybe by resolution of the commission that
just about takes care of everything. You don't even need the words by unanimous
consent; because, to me it sounds like the only way the contents of this resolution will be
applied would have to be by unanimous consent of the commission and I don't think you
want that in there. I would drop those words. I would also drop those same words where
it states, "Such Special Committees by the President may continue if authorized by
resolution of the Commission by unanimous consent."
ALADEAN DEROSE: If it is not an illegal modification then I don't have a problem
with that, if that's what you want to do.
JOANN SPORLEDER: In part one, I have some concerns about how and whom the ex -
officio people are to be appointed and for how long they serve. It is not stated how or by
whom they are to be selected or appointed. Are they appointed by the commission at
large, the president, the committee chairman, or other? How long do they serve? Do
they serve for one meeting, a specific project, for a year, or longer? I also have the same
questions for Section 2 as well.
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ALADEAN DEROSE: All this does is state that a member of the committee need not be
a member of the commission. It doesn't affect their term, which is described in the
previous section, which is a one year term. So any member of the committee serves for a
one year term.
JOANN SPORLEDER: It still doesn't say how an ex -officio person is invited to
participate on these committees.
ALADEAN DEROSE: You want to make it clear that all committee members whether
they are commission members or members of the community should be appointed by the
president. I will make that change in Section 1.
Commission members had a brief discussion about the benefits of having an advisory
board.
LYNN PATRICK: In Section 2, Special Committees, the last line of that paragraph
says, "The majority of every standing committee shall be constituted of commission
members." In Standing Committees, Section 1, the last line of that paragraph states the
same thing, is that a redundancy.
ALADEAN DEROSE: Yes it is. It should read "special committee" instead. Let me
summarize the revisions that have been made.
1. Under Section 1, you want to make it clear that all members of each standing
committee are appointed by the president and that the standing committee
members serve a term of one year.
2. Under Special Committees, you want to delete in the second line the words "or by
unanimous consent" as well as in the second to the last line in the same paragraph.
3. At the end of Section 2, on the last line where it now says, "The majority of every
standing committee shall be constituted of commission members." You're
replacing the word "standing" with the word "special" and you also want to add
"no opinion or recommendation of the special committee shall bind the
commission."
4. The Advisory Board section will remain as it is.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: I move that we hold off taking a vote on this until the
new revisions have been completed next month.
LYNN PATRICK: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
3. Minutes Proposal
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: I move that this be tabled until next month.
TODD ZEIGER: Seconds the motion and it passes. John Oxian abstains.
4. Studebaker Building on 637 S. Lafayette — John Oxian report
JOHN OX1AN: I want to make a motion to table this until next month.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
V. NEW BUSINESS
1. CONTRACTS: Inspector's and Transcriptionist
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We only have one contract to renew. We received Mrs.
Oxian's letter informing the commission that she will no longer be our transcriptionist the
30`" of this month. We do have the inspector's services contract before us. You have a
copy of it in your monthly meeting packet. It is the same contract as we approved for
Wayne last year except I have asked for a ten percent increase in his hourly wage to go
up to twenty-two dollars an hour. He has been with us for four years and has not had any
increase in his salary.
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JOANN SPORLEDER: Beginning when?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: His contract, I believe, states that it goes from December
151 of this year to November 30, 2006. We have a request from the county
commissioners to put him on a fiscal calendar year beginning as soon as possible.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Are there appropriations in the budget for that?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Yes there are. So instead of this contract going from
December 151, 2005, you may want to amend it to go from December IS`, 2005 through
December 3151, 2006.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I so move for the change of the fiscal time period.
TODD ZEIGER: I second the motion and it passes unanimously.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I also move that we accept the contract as presented and as
amended fiscally.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I would like to mention that in driving up and down Park
Avenue I have noticed another renovation going on at 810 Park Avenue. They have put
in new columns and balustrades and are still currently working on it. I don't see any C
of A for that anywhere. In my opinion it is architecturally incorrect.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: If it is the same property I am thinking of that had to go
through a variance hearing and that pre -dated the historic district.
JOANN SPORLEDER: But, they're still working on it.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: I know, but the variance and the work pre -dated the
historic district so there's nothing we can do about it.
2. East Wayne Street Historic District Signage
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: The East Wayne Street Historic District signs have been
approved. There are four of them. Our cost would be $168.80 for the new signs.
JOHN OXIAN: Where are the pictures/drawings of these new signs?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: The signs have already been made up. I do not have
them. We have seen them and they are very attractive. They are gray and burgundy
signs with the logo of the East Wayne Street Historic District on them. They already
have sign posts attached to them.
JOHN OXIAN: Wouldn't it be right to have them here when you're approving this?
That is the proper way for the commission to see what the logo looks like.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: I agree. I didn't bring them because I don't have them.
We would incur half the cost of the bill and the city would incur the other half. (See
white copy of bill from Traffic Sign Shop attached to HPC monthly meeting binder).
JOHN OXIAN: Will you send us a picture of this so we can see what they look like?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Yes I will. The East Wayne Street Liaison Committee
designed them and the building department put them together.
JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion that the bill for the signs be paid and that all of our
commission members receive a picture of the signs.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
JOHN OXIAN: Catherine, did you get a request today for a roofing job on LaMonte
Terrace?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: No, I did not.
JOHN OXIAN: You will be receiving one. The person called me on Saturday. She was
asking for bids to have her roof done. The roofer I know very well came in after the first
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roofer who wanted to start the job on Monday. The second roofer who knows me and
who has done a lot of work for me knows that you have to get a C of A first and a
building permit. He told the owner to call me and I explained the whole situation to her.
So I think when that person comes in you should find out who this roofer is and make
sure the building department is aware of this so they can stop them from going ahead
with this.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: To stop him from putting the roof on?
JOHN OXIAN: They should be informed that there is a roofer who goes around doing
work without first getting a building permit or C of A. I will try and find out what the
roofing company's name is from the roofer I know.
VI. HEARING OF VISITORS AND ADJOURNMENT
LYNN PATRICK: We stand adjourned.
Meeting adjourned at 10:00 pm.
Historic Preservation Commission
Minutes: November 21, 2005
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