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AGENDA OF THE JUNE 7, 2005 COMMISSION MEETING SPECIAL MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TUESDAY, JUNE 79 2005 7:00 P.M. COUNTY/CITY BUILDING 7 FLOOR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CONFERENCE ROOM AGENDA: CHAPIN PARK LHD STANDARDS MISCELLANEOUS SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION June 7, 2005 MEETING GUESTS: PLEASE SIGN THIS LIST SO THAT YOUR PRESENCE CAN BE NOTED FOR OUR. MINUTES Print Name Address Signature �oQn 17ou�ns-afros+rnkc7 RNA Fora I- 1,4 r rt % 1 aft l /Dov% /S 1a tp %1 -5-q ip_Iir TA C S �Gtrov� �iie.r I i mac) " vo,�Ivd- u iV�a�l awk 2Z lat T I 0 i 54 i AGENDA OF THE JUNE 79 2005 COMMISSION MEETING SPECIAL MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WEDNESDAY JUNE 15, 2005 7:00 P.M. COUNTY/CITY BUILDING 7 FLOOR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CONFERENCE ROOM AGENDA: CHAPIN PARK LHD STANDARDS MISCELLANEOUS SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION June 15, 2005 MEETING GUESTS: PLEASE SIGN THIS LIST SO THAT, YOUR PRESENCE CAN BE NOTED FOR OUR MINUTES Print Name Address Ignature �aw ,�}1a-tier Ind A*, llm- L;;;Czl S�iI 017 RK AVE, Vi- rtwoScIikef i %ZS r 1. e� �,� 06/15/2005 15:26 FAX, NTHP PROGRAMS IR 002/003 U F� I RFA NATIONAL TRUST P'HISTORIC PRESERVATION• Protecting the Irreplaceable June 15, 2005 Ms. Catherine D. Hostetler Director Historic Preservation Commission 227 West Jefferson Boulevard South Bend, IN 46601-1830 Dear Ms. Hostetler: Last week I was asked to comment on policies in the Chapin Park Historic District. As senior field representative at the National Trust for Historic Preservation, I have had for many years the assignment of working with local Historic Preservation Commissions. Before coming to the National Trust, I served as executive director of the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission and was a leader in saving Grand Central Terminal in New York City. The reason for local historic districts is to provide an opportunity to review exterior changes to property in historic districts. After a review of the plans by the Commission, appropriate changes will be developed and approved in almost all cases. This review of plans has worked in historic districts in South Bend and hundreds of other cities. Activists in historic districts make an essential contribution to the success of an historic district. This grass roots interest makes possible the preservation of the historic character and architectural qualities of a neighborhood. The Guidelines for the historic district are used both by property owners in preparing their plans and by the Commission in reviewing applications and developing the final plans that it approves in its Certificate of Appropriateness. In the Chapin Park Guidelines, the word, "should," alerts the property owner about important features of the historic building or the historic district. These features and specific Guidelines are to be considered by both the property owner and the Commission. The existing language in the General Definitions section calls for appropriate work to be done in the historic district. The use of the word, "shall," spells out requirements when property owners decide to do work on their property. It is the property owner who takes the initiative, rather than merely maintaining the property. The word, "should." is a recognition of work on a building that would be desirable. Recipient of the National Humanities Medal 1785 MASSACHUSETTS AVENUE, NW • WASHINGTON, DC 20036 202.588.6000 • FAX: 202.588.6038 • TTY; 202.588.6200 • WWW.NATiONALTRUST. ORO 06/15/2005 15:26 FAX NTHP PROGRAMS 0001/003 2 Those improvements may not take place at this time, perhaps because the property owner does not have the money needed for the recommended work An alternative solution may be acceptable. The property owner applies for a Certificate of Appropriateness. After reviewing the plans, the Commission approves a Certificate of Appropriateness with specific instruction as to various features on the exterior of the building. The Commission uses its Guidelines and stays within the boundaries of its Guidelines. From my experience, I know that there is more than one way to make appropriate changes to some of the features of an historic building. As noted, the Guidelines call attention to important features of historic buildings, and the Commission has the responsibility of working with each property owner to come up with an appropriate solution for the several historic features of the building. In doing its work, the Historic Preservation Commission recognizes the importance of finding an aooromiate wav to meet the current needs of the property owner. Local Historic Preservation Commissions do an outstanding job in reviewing plans and thus preserving a neighborhood. The Commissions benefit greatly from the strong support of neighborhood leaders. I hope that these comments are helpful in the present discussion about policies in the Chapin Park Historic District. Sincerely, p, q�J J(� w-1 l �' Q _ 1 - Frank H. Gilbert Senior Field Representative National Trust for Historic Preservation JUN -16-2005 15:20 CITY OF SB MAYORS OFFICE 574 235 9e92 P.01i01 I A ar, 1 Vt L ' t $1600r000 Mortgage for Under $785/Mlorrthi �e ` Credf!•e OK �C1'�' /�,aw�� :q \,Jr�n"iW]i!�rdi���i�r e�eJ.� •• F.- r.•v -:ka95::.d:n.:• A� 1 ,- Merriarn-Webster Online Dictionary M-WGolleglate.com M•W Unabridged.com Sritannica,com 3 entries found for should. Multf-Usar License$ To select an entry, click on it. • I , shall Go • , should Who Main Entry: should 0 . ` ,,IRs •m , .;, .. Pronunciation: sh&d, 'shud i,kfa 7,!•= Sur '" Etymology: Middle English sholde, from Old English ; "; • l Zw;. sceolde owed, was obliged to, ought to Post of SH&LL X -- used in auxiliary function to express condition <if he should leave his father, his father would die -- Gen 44:22 (Revised Standard Version)> 2 -- used in auxiliary function to express obligation, propriety, or expediency <Itis commanded I should do so -- Shakespeare> <this is as it should be -- H. L. Savage> <you should brush your teeth after each meal> 3 -- used in auxiliary function to express futurity from a point of view in the past <realized that she should have to do most of her farm work before sunrise -- Ellen Glasgow> 4 -- used in auxiliary function to express what is probable or expected <with an early start, they should be here by noon> 5 -- used in auxiliary function to express a request in a polite manner or to soften direct statement <I should suggest that a guide... is the first essential -- L. D. Reddick'> For Marg Inf_-o tion,Qn "should" go_ t9 8nt4nnica,cgm Get the Top 10 Sear esults fQr "h lul.d" httn //unx w m.1v rnm /r,r _h;n/ iint:nnn +. hlerrfam-Websts Dictionary U Thesauru! Palm & Pock Browse and down) Merriam -Webster e -books and game Palm and Pocket P and Mobile Phones Mlerriam-Web: On�Store -K ndhel COI legiate Now you can take Eleventh Edition w anywhere as Frani new speaking Elet Handheldl Franklin.com/ Ak'Icrrid of -%el CAllegilt 14 -day Free TOTAL P.01 In an edited message dated 6/11/05 7:04:09 PM, tsk@myVine.com writes: Lynn, As promised, here is the BIG Chapin Park list of requests for the document. I think it is more of a broken record as these things have been thrown around over and over. My feeling from the first C o It Whole assembly was that these did not cause much controversy with the Commission members - many things received endorsement, then. I am hopeful that this still is the case. Many folks on my Committee have not yet responded and might be unavailable until Monday. But, judging from past conversations, comments, and correspondence 1 feel confident in presenting this list. I think these minor points are all that stand in the way of closure. Let me know. 1. Ask for a clearer distinction between RECOMMENDATIONS (& NOT RECOMMENDATIONS) and REQUIREMENTS (& PROHIBITIONS) probably achieved through a revision of the definitions for SHOULD. The definition for SHALL is fine by me. 2. Accept the HPC revised Preface (of our 'page 10') as it stands. 3. Accept the "GUIDELINES & STANDARDS" replacement for "GUIDELINES." 4. Accept the Lynn sponsored, HPC revised Emergency Repair Provision language. 5. Include the Temple -Bethel amendments. 6. Use amended brick street maintenance and improvement requirements. file://C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\GW) 00004.HTM 6/13/05 Page 2 of 2 7. Ask for my proposed reorder of the Enforcement Procedures section. 8. Ask for tags after Restoration, Rehabilitation, and Conservation. These are Encouraged, Adopted and Not Adopted, respectively. 9. (5) Liaison members instead of (3). District size requires this. 10. Miscellaneous Committee -Approved amendments (for example: Suggest that trees be replanted "as soon as planting season permits" instead of within six months). '11. Explore any HPC suggestions for omissions or considerations unique to our district. 12. Beyond these high points, I want to make the document available to the district BEFORE it is published. Formally, this is to be an information and review session as a courtesy to interested parties. Thanks. Tim Kluscinsky - Chapin Park Standards Committee cote - I, Lynn Patrick, did some minor editing to condense. file://C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\GW } 00004.HTM 6/13/05 CppM55Ohpq AGENDA OF THE JUNE 209 2005 lM COMMISSION MEETING 9_ 1865 ' Regular Meeting 4th Floor COUNCIL CHAMBERS — County -City Building Monday, June 20, 2005 7:30 PM I. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL II. PUBLIC HEARING Z A. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS O 1.2005-0526 13546 Brick Road 2.2005-0601 1021 Riverside Drive 3.2005-0609 1077 Riverside Drive B. LANDMARK 1. Second Reading: 16977 Adams Landmark 1880 Barn III. REGULAR BUSINESS A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES May 16, 2005 O B. TREASURER'S REPORT C. COMMITTEE REPORTS 1. President's Report: 2. SouthHold Awards Committee Follow Up w C/1 D. STAFF REPORTS: p„ r 1. C of A Approvals; Correspondence; A. Director's Report B. Assistant Director's Report 2. Legal IV. OLD BUSINESS 513 River Avenue M� Chapin Park LHD Standards and Guidelines w V. NEW BUSINESS W. Mini Fair August 27 on LaSalle Street VI. HEARING OF VISITORS VII. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS SOUTH BEND & SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION June 20, 2005 MEETING GUESTS: PLEASE SIGN THIS LIST SO THAT YOUR PRESENCE CAN BE NOTED FOR OUR, MINUTES Print Name Address Signature / JDavi6 &2 s(;�8 AA Q_t riLdp� sl h ZJ \- oL Ci llsl 957%4 IZ�..(cj nec(t SbctiU2 t 11-1 c5 M .b STAFF REPORT CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS Date: May 26, 2005 Application Number: 2005-0526 Property Location: 13546 Brick Road, Granger, IN Property Owner: Michael L. Humes Landmark or District Designation: Local Landmark, County Rating: S/11 STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT Built in 1875 by Warren Irvin, trustee of Hams Township and Secretary of the Board of Trustees. His wife, Stanza Irvin, lived in the house until 1924. The house itself is a two storey red brick Italianate farmhouse with original architectural details as wood cornice with brackets and frieze, a bracketed cupola and stone windowsill and lintels. Two outbuildings, a milk house and a privy surround the house. APPLICATION ITEMS: Removal of (4) spruce Trees located in front of house along Brick Road under power line. RECOMMENDATION: AEP's policy is to completely cut down or trim trees or move the power lines. At this point we have been unable to contact owner ( phone calls May 26 & 27, letter dated May 31, phone calls June 7 & 9) and it is unclear if the trees are in the right of way or on the Humes' property. Staff recommends tabling the COA until ownership status can be confirmed and AEP's new policy is clarified. STAFF REPORT CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS Date: 06/07/05 Application Number: 2005-0601 Property Location: 1021 Riverside Drive Property Owner: Jean and Brendan Crumlish Landmark or District Designation: Riverside Drive Local Historic District Rating: C/10 STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT Fred Keller built this Queen Anne home in 1907. His mother, Rickey Keller, purchased the home for investment purposes and rented the home to Plynn and Daisy Swank until 1919. There have been several subsequent owners. In the 1960s, a small rear porch addition was added to the house, and at some point the house was sided with asphalt siding. The Crumlish family purchased the home in 1989 and restored the original clapboard exterior in 1991-1992. Jean and Brendan Crumlish also received approval for a two-story rear addition in 2001 for this house. This project was not started; instead, this application is a scaled down version of the 2001 application. APPLICATION ITEMS: Exterior renovation of rear 1960s era back porch to include: Removal of existing flat roof and replacement with gable roof and shingles to match house Addition of wood trim, fascia, and soffit to match house Removal of asphalt siding and replace with new wood clapboard to match existing Replacement of concrete steps with wood steps and handrail Replacement of slider window with wood double hung window Replacement of existing door with embossed steel % glass door similar to existing See architectural drawings for further explanation. RECOMMENDATION Applicable Riverside Drive Guidelines (See pages 33 & 34) Additions to existing buildings shall be related in height and proportion to the existing structure. Additions may not be constructed that would change the existing fagade of a building, alter its scale or architectural character, or add new height. Any style or period of architecture that is incompatible with what exists should not be permitted in the new additions. Materials used on an addition to an existing structure shall relate to the existing or original materials of that structure. The proposed renovation of the existing addition maintains the current footprint of the 1960s addition. It would not change the proportions of the rear fagade. The renovation modifies the incongruous exterior to more closely resemble the original character and style of the house by adding a gabled roof, double hung window, wood steps and handrail, clapboard siding, and fascia and trim boards. The renovation of the addition does not remove or obscure any important or characteristic architectural feature of the house. (The city has lots of examples of asphalt siding, so removal of the siding would not cause the loss of an important building material. Asphalt is mentioned as an inappropriate material as well.) The materials, double hung window and % glass door well relate to the existing materials and style of the house. Staff has found that all parts of the proposed renovation are compatible with the Riverside Drive rehabilitation guidelines and with the individual property. Staff encourages approval. Application asourx ee 'for - Certificate for - Certificate of Appropriateness r Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County tans 227 West Jefferson Blvd- RM 1123 -South Bend IN 46601-1830 Phone: 219-235.9798 Fax: 219-235-9578 a -mail: historic@michiana.org A Certified Local Government OFFICE USEONLY,..DO NOT COMPLEig ANY ENTRIES CONTAINED IN THIS BOC«««OFFICE USE ONLY Dale Received We/01 20QT Application Number: 2866- 2ec,S--OII0I Past Reviews: YES (oArso£Lorazrim NO Zoning Type: Lot Sitt SUIT Approval authorized by: Title: Historic Commission Review Dale: ❑ Local Lan4mark National Landmark ElNational Register District . 4 Local Historic VE Certificate of Approopriatencss: ' Denied Tabled Sent To Committee ❑ Approved and issued 20_ 1021 RIVERSIDE DRIVE Address of Property for proposed work: L,u Av.Yr NI,nIK�/ City: SOUTH BEND Township: PORTAGE Name of Property Owner(s):,Puvo JEAN 6 BRENDAN CRUMLISH Address of Property Owner: 1021 RIVERSIDE DRIVE l...., :n 1.) Cfa .. 1.. ;TSA'_..:.:.... Contractors) Name: Contract Company Name: TBA Contractor Address: "TBA City: TBA Contractor's Phone No: TBA Owner's Phone No: 574-232-3773 - Jrly•233 • YSyO Current Use ofBuilding- RESIDENCE (Syk £awes/ •AM144frwJy-Cerrxrrciol- aswrnn.uu.IneemW-V¢am-nc Type of Building Construction: WOOD FRAME fW+ov fru./-elra-Sur-s4rl • Gnrrra- ou.rl 1. Proposed Work: Qx Inkind Landscape X] New © Replacem.seau.,o Proposed tm wog MrMc4ip Demolition (Coawktion orSener.te Form Also Renuired) . Description of Proposed Work: EXTERIOR RENOVATION OF REAR 1960's ERA BACK PORCH W/ IN-KIND 6 NEW MATERIALS SIMILAR TO EXISTING MAIN HOUSE. SEE DRAWINGS 1, 2, 6 3 DATED 6/3/2005 INCLUDED WITH THIS ,APPLICATION. ARCHY'!'E.Gi1' 574-282-2994 crumlishb@aol.com �JGtd�'Fp401IAxXOUR' Faz: a -mail: •(IAuo uee,,..Pwr vwa l'ar �m•t Signa ore ofOwoer / Signature of Contractor APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS ARE LISTED ON REVERSE SIDE. Any and all business ofthir office is handled via a -mail and far, with leas! pfeference to U.& Afail ,_....n �. ,i•„-. tet`-'I,.�A w/ new gable roof riming mw Match uphalt shingles to mamh existing add new wwsd nim, facia & soffs to march esisting replace Mining slider xindow w. ncx xxx>f double hung wimlaw smilax to existing existing putntcd CMU foundation wall toremain t —ES4 Y 4 Northwest Elevation 1/411= 11-01t existing ronin house, m changes remove existing asphalt siding from existing walls(to rcmain) and replace gt uI nese wood clapboard siding to mnmh exist; ng n n ISP n�? rcplmeexistingg acnm¢steps x'ness c�F? xasd amps astd handrail Northwest Elevation N 1/4" = 1'-0" u EM a3b - - <vaing main houu. no changes miz NnSS !� removeesislinat roofuWrcploa r w/ nex goblegoof roaf va &new f I ssphals shinglesbmmeh esisling add new wocJ Pim. rascix & _,�,, �: - sof(u so march esisling § cus6ngmphall.dingrmm o _— f — ---- c..snnp nall<Im«main)anJ mplam ,o` __ •f — x r ncx xaxd <IapGmJ siding to to, -----�- «isung pmnteJ QlU Gnedation xall PEN m remain Southeast Elevation 1/411 Tv exisdng mein house, no changes move existing Ilse mol and replac< /new gahl<mof framing & nmr phelt shingles to math erisntog odd nmv wood Irl., fascia & soffits to makh enstlng mDlan eusung d.,W new emhosseste<I 12 glut doorsimller b GSl.aling remove enlsung asphal[ siding fmm Imngwells(Iommend rtplece W1 new rood claplwW siding to " match existing mplacc G<isting conemk smps al ncu wood skps and hondmil I I 5 STAFF REPORT CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS Date: June 9, 2005 Application Number: 2005-0609 Property Location: 1077 Riverside Drive Property Owner: Diane and Daniel Philpott Landmark or District Designation: Riverside Dr. Local Historic District Rating: S/11 STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT Built in c. 1925 for Harriette E. and Dora I. Keller, sisters of Fred W. Keller partner in the prominent real estate company of Whitcomb and Keller. Harriette E. Keller was the resident of this house until her death in 1953. She actually sold her share of the house back to her sister, Dora in 1946. Miss Dora I Keller moved into the house after her sister's death. She was a high school teacher. She lived in the house until her death in February, 1975. The house was sold in June, 1975 by George E. Keller, possibly a nephew, to Elwood Lane Verderslice, Jr. He sold it in 1982 to Robert C. Boyd who in tum sold it to Dwight B. King in 1988. Mr. King owned the house until 1995 when he sold it to Robert E. Haywood. It is now owned by Diane and Daniel Philpott. APPLICATION ITEMS: Mr. and Mrs. Philpott wish to remove a very tall, invasive evergreen tree that is located 2 feet from the front foundation of their home. They believe it to be a possible threat to the foundation and house plus it is too close to the house to allow for adequate day light into the windows. The house is situated on a wooded lot and removal of this tree would allow for ground plants closer to the house. RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends approval of this COA. The evergreen is taller than the house and too close to the foundation, it is only a matter of time before it causes damage to this house rated S/11. The Philpotts do not need to replace this tree as their home is surrounded by many more mature trees. .mss. ��'!'"lT"",n� "R'T'�'' I� � +��� I � + t • - ;1 � I � ash � Y♦�' � �1�.�a ` v{ �; i 7`• �-� � - Y)� Yee': S�iL. � ,w ♦ ..x r �` d ��76 � r T � L 1 �rn`t•{ t .wl - T 1 yi{ta� S r• •�►IW iV,; r 1 � � 1 l w N{ y Y♦�' � •Jl'f��. blest '�^ M M1 _ jS C- �-� � - Y)� Yee': S�iL. � ,w ♦ ..x r �` d ��76 � r T � L 1 �rn`t•{ t .wl - T 1 yi{ta� 4WA •�►IW iV,; r 1 � � 1 l Application - FOR - Certificate of Appro riat Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County 125 S. Lafayette Blvd., South Bend, Indiana 45£pI Mailing Address: County City Building South Bend, Indiana 46601 Phone 5715 9798 Fax: 57r1-235-9578 • FJnaiL• SBSJQ PCOCo.styoseph.inus Website: http://K- wstjosephcountYindiana.com/sjchP/index.html OFFICE USE ONI Y »»» D0 NOT COMPLETE ANY ENTRIES CONDIlrV£D W THIS B Date Received pG 09 ",O S Number OX >»>» OFFICE USF ONLY Application Numb•2 d o s_ O 6 O g Past Reviews: ❑ %E$ — — — — (Darr ul Inst H�rurv) Staff Approval authorized by: ❑ NO Historic Commission Review Date: Title: ❑ Local Landmark ERfocal Historic District (N,,,ne) ❑ National Landmark O National Register District (Name) �IIiEr¢SiDF A.eivcc Certificate of Appropriateness: ❑ Denied ❑ Tabled []Sent To Committee E]Approved and Issued Address of Property for proposed work: 037 R. 1 DATE •`�Sr per. On:V'C Name of Property Owner(s)' (plea,,, prb,t) Sint•t NumLer nail Street Nmne Address of Property 3—��-a'-��--��_��;J�J.O-�'�--- P tyOwner(s): �O�j (�,ve 5r Contractor(s) Name: 1299.E nl t}h6 j G Contract Company Name: Contractor Address: C✓S�o�✓a Mu��� S2 z 3 City: ()J'Q^ce_, 1 nl Current Use of Building:. Phone: 'Z } Z_ 0 p Type Of BuildingCortstr uetiun; (Si°glrfnrrrily-Mufti-FannLt_Coe,u.•rtird-(grrxrgerrt-Ledustrin!-Vacnrtf- rte) Proposed ( wood Frnu,e - Brick - Stone - Steel - Concrete - Prop Work: � In-kind Ot1nr) (nmrctimnoeebox nmyIVChocked) (.'Landscape 0NeW ❑ Replacement (not in -kiwi) Description of Proposed Work: RG•v,ra J Af [�'Bemolition ?rv_7<�ICXcv.'P�, Tree Grsvie 5rtse �rYt: 2�YeeZ` . � rgs.t„e. I `'P-4 ror �i out$. TWs r rh 64 �2r9s n to 4 ire v b : e a ri, 7 -ir:�/y 6'rrrt, op Owner/Contractor: Fax: ,-j-LJ (77is office wilt cormsµ,+, I - 69 1.11 unty one• Ar '3 o n 6`t't4 7180,.., e-mail11100&t. I a _Ph — I ----.-------- _and/or__ r7;'t I l wZr,7 .rq, — APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS- - 4; ,a r b•v of t R v ARE LISTED ON REVERSE SIDE — n'y}sd R 1077 Riverside Drive South Bend, IN 46616 574 233-3181 June 13, 2005 Ms. Catherine Hostetler, Director Historic Preservation Commission of St. Joseph Country Fax: 574-235-9578 Dear Ms. Hostetler: Following up on our conversation of Friday, June 10, I am faxing you the arborist's report on the trees that we seek to remover from our lawn at 1077 Riverside Drive. Mark Temple of Temple Tree Service felt that this work order would constitute an adequate report. Certainly, I can elaborate on his findings at my appearance before the Commission on Monday evening, June 20. I also want to indicate that I propose to ask permission at the hearing to remove a second tree, in addition to the evergreen (hemlock) that I mentioned in our application of Friday, June 10. This second one is a cedar on the Riverside Drive side of our house. Though we did not mention it in our application, Temple Tree Service highly recommended that we cut it down, thus fortifying an inclination that we already had to remove it. I hope that we may also address this issue at the hearing this coming Monday. Again, many thanks for your help. See you Monday. Sincerely, O p4K Daniel Philpott Mark Temple Tree Service Mail Checks To: 28296 Inwood Road North Liberty, IN. 46554 Customer I formation:n� t n Name:�lJ nnf��-f G I'/T Address: l D%'% �J 1_LJQr� t!t 0 Home Phone: ��J 3�"� l Work: Billing Address If Different Than Above: Contact No: office (574) 232-2700 Cell (574) 276-4097 Work will be performed in a timely fashion. Generally within ]o working days, weather permitting. Date:// U(-f7S Day:, City: S 6 Zip: Cell: City: Zip: ` Proposal: c4- WI f-tYfA,JLc- PLI Specification of work to be performed: PIV---) ts eT", ALS xk (Lr f.*�fl42- t C 9Qd'`d L% ?it. L S S'flR vu '� (LNl) PPVS7 Cs– (Z-*\ �3 t�5 S—C � > (")ucQ -F,oQ {a%2q d4 4lip F ys�2 C� Pr000sal Drice: $ Any additional work or changes performed will be iso added to the cost of the quote. If subcontracted equipment is needed to complete work performed, additional costs above quote will incur. Sales Consultant: Contract based on above proposal. Please read contract on both sides before signing. y� The above proposal by Mark Temn a Setc�is hereby accepted on this date:/, Customer signature: 1 ICS t1' .COY /14 By signing here, I hav' to ave work descdbed above performed and to pay in full all costs described or written into terms of this contract. 7you decide you would like us to perform the work described above, simply sign and mail in this contract. We will provide you with a copy. We look forward to serving you! Payment is due upon completion. Mail checks to Mark Temple Tree service at 28296 Inwood Rd., North Liberty, IN 46554. NO EXCEPTIONS, unless written into contract with signed approval from Mark Temple, owner. Any balance beyond 10 days will be charged 21% interest, compounded monthly. Your insurance company did not hire us, nor can we tell you what they will reimburse you. A $15.00 clerical fee will accrue on accounts past due over 30 days. You as the customer are solely responsible to fulfill your obligation of monies due Mark Temple Tree Service. Any account past due more than thirty days will be turned over to our attorney for collection. You will be liable for any and all costs of collections, including but not limited to attorney fees, court costs, clerical fees, compound interest and property lien recording fees in addition to the original quote. Terms and Conditinns (.ee reverse) .. .fin .. 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Fund 001 County General for 01-01.2005 thru 05-31-2005 Loc 037 Historic Preservation Account Unencumbered Unexpended Object Description Appropriation Encumbrance Expenditure Balance/Percent Balance/Percent 11075 Deputy Director 24,000.00 0.00 9,230.80 14,769.20 14,769.20 000 General GovT. 61.54 61.54 11309 Historic Preservation Admin. 36,050.00 0.00 13,865.40 22,184.60 22,184.60 000 General Gov r. 61.54 61.54 10000 Totals """"""""""""""""""""""" 60,050.00 0.00 23,096.20 36,953.80 36,953.80 61.54 61.54 21030 Office Supplies 5,512.09 0.00 1,475.93 4,036.16 4,036.16 000 General GovT. 73.22 73.22 22010 Gas Oil & Lubricants 1,000.00 0.00 101.83 898.17 898.17 000 General GovT. 89.82 89.82 22120 Garage & Motor Supplies 700.00 0.00 0.00 700.00 700.00 000 General GovT. 100.00 100.00 20000 Totals """""""""...... """""""" 7,212.09 0.00 1,577.76 5,634.33 5,634.33 78.12 78.12 31070 Other Contractual Services 52,360.00 11,760.00 15,950.74 24,649.26 36,409.26 000 General GovT. 47.08 69.54 32020 Travel 1,000.00 0.00 0.00 1.000.00 1,000.00 000 General GovT. 100.00 100.00 32050 Instruction & Training 2,000.00 0.00 0.00 2,000.00 2.000.00 000 General GovT. 100.00 100.00 32053 Public Relations 3,070.00 0.00 2,416.12 653.88 653.88 000 General GovT. 21.30 21.30 32200 Telephone 1,160.00 0.00 0.00 1,160.00 1,160.00 000 General Gov'r, 100.00 100.00 32350 Postage 2,160.00 0.00 1,065.01 1,094.99 1,094.99 000 General GovT. 50.69 50.69 33010 Publication Of Legal Notices 500.00 0.00 100.00 400.00 400.00 000 General GovT. 80.00 80.00 User ID ksobecki 06/01/2005 1:44 PM Pp-ge 79 Location BJQ91 As of 05-31-2005 Note: Includes transactions after the last posted date of 01-01-2005 Fund 001 County General for 01-01-2005 thru 05-31-2005 Loc 037 Historic Preservation Account Object Description 33100 Printing 000 General GovT. 37100 Auto Lease 000 General GovT. 39010 Dues & Subscription 000 General GovT. 39750 Data Processing 000 General GovT. 30000 Totals .............................................. 44250 Office Machines 000 General GovT. 40000 Totals .............................................. Location Totals ****....................... Investment Accounts Transfer Accounts Saint Joseph County 0.00 46,562.06 User ID ksobecki 06/0112005 1:44 PM Page 80 Unencumbered Unexpended Appropriation Encumbrance Expenditure Balance/Percent Balance/Percent 13,091.00 8,725.00 1,975.28 2,390.72 11,115.72 18.26 84.91 500.00 0.00 0.00 500.00 500.00 100.00 100.00 1,250.00 0.00 85.95 1,164.05 1,164.05 93.12 93.12 3,570.00 0.00 0.00 3,570.00 3,570.00 100.00 100.00 80,661.00 20,485.00 21,593.10 38,582.90 59,067.90 47.83 73.23 800.00 0.00 295.00 505.00 505.00 63.13 63.13 800.00 0.00 295.00 505.00 505.00 63.13 63.13 148,723.09 20,485.00 46.562.06 81,676.03 102,161.03 54.92 68.69 0.00 0.00 46,562.06 User ID ksobecki 06/0112005 1:44 PM Page 80 Director's Report June, 2005 May 17, 2005 Met with Ted Fed of Memorial Hospital along with John Oxian concerning the new Memorial Drive and the condition of the pumping house in Leeper Park West. This Proiect is currently on HOLD due to. I believe, funding issues.. May 18, 2005 Mailed out Grant Acceptance Letters for the three grants involving the City and County surveys due on May 25. Mailed out DNR Covenant Monitoring Report for the 1855 Court House. May 21, 2005 Southhold Awards Breakfast at the Palais Royale 7am-11:00am with Will Tippens as Guest Speaker. Commission highly complimented for this event by all who attended. May 23, 2005 Julie, Wayne and I presented an hour-long orientation session for the Surveyors at HFLI and at the HPC office. John Embrickson reported that work on HPC's Conference Room will begin in mid July. May 25, 2005 Attended TRANSPO Anniversary Celebration May 27, 2005 County Council Committee Meeting for Julie's Increase from City Funding, unanimous favorable recommendation for June 14 County Council Meeting. May 27, 2005 Worked with Shannon Hill and HFLI for PR on the Survey kick-off with South Bend Tribune, Fox News and WSBT. May 30, 2005 Attended die rededication of the Eurtzlcr-Hollingshead Cemetery. May 31, 2005 Met with Tim Janowiak concerning the bane on Adams under Interim Protection. Copied all of Tim's information and the Abstract. Committee of the Whole meeting concerning Chapin Park Standards. June 2, 2005 Continuing to follow up with Dr. Varner by leaving voice mail messages as well as e-mail messages concerning Virginia O'Hair's replacement appointment. June 3, 2005 Met with Bob Yapp and Connie Tooley about HPC's joint sponsoring of a Mini -Fair as a precursor to the Old House Fair that he proposed for (lie Spring, 2006. Put the Mini -Fur on the Agenda for Discussion. June 7, 2005 Special Commission Meeting on the Chapin Park Standards with Chapin Park. June 13, 2005 Participated and attended Survey Kick -Off with Shannon Hill and Todd Zeiger at Recital Hall. June 14, 2005 County Council meeting concerning Julie's salary increase. Unanimous approval. Additional paper work needed to implement which originates with Judy Rosheck, City of South Bend. June 15, 2005 Additional Special Meeting on Chapin Park Standards. June 16, 2005 Meeting with DHPA , Northern Indiana Center for History on the Navarre Cabin Grant. Historic Preservation Commission Of South Bend and Saint Joseph County Committee Assignments As of June 8, 2005 Executive Committee Ad-hoc Committees Lynn Patrick, President & Chair Saint Casimir Parish Committee Martha Choitz, Vice President Jerry Ujdak Mary Jane Chase, Secretary John Oxian, Treasurer Legal Committee John Oxian — Chair Jerry Ujdak Budget & Finance John Oxian — Chair Diane Wrobel-Illes Landmarks Committee John Oxian — Chair Diane Wrobel-Illes Facade Easements Committee John Oxian — Chair Diane Wrobel-Illes Standards & Maintenance Martha Choitz — Chair Joann Sporleder Lynn Patrick Historic Districts Committee Martha Choitz — Chair Jerry Ujdak — Co -Chair Nominating Committee Joann Sporleder — Chair Jerry Ujdak Southhold Awards Catherine Hostetler - Chair Martha Choitz Lynn Patrick Mary Jane Chase Virginia O' Hair - Emeritus Survey Committee [Est. June 20051 Lynn Patrick John Oxian Catherine Hostetler HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION OF SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY MONTHLY MEETING June 20, 2005 MEMBERS PRESENT: MEMBERS ABSENT: STAFF PRESENT: 4`h Floor, Council Chambers, County -City Building, South Bend, IN Lynn Patrick, (President) Martha Choitz, (Vice President) John Oxian, (Treasurer) Diane Wrobel-Illes, (Member) Mary Jane Chase, (Member) Gerald Ujdak, (Member) Joann Sporleder, (Architectural Historian) Catherine Hostetler, (Member) Julie Schutte, (Assistant Director) John Livingston, (City Attorney) STAFF ABSENT: Catherine Hostetler, (Director) ALSO PRESENT: Carol Davis, Dan & Diana Philpott, M. Jamison, Clint Zalas, (Attorney), Janet Maciulski, (River Park Neighborhood Organization), Brendan Crumlish, Jane Molnar I. CALLED MEETING TO ORDER LYNN PATRICK: Called the meeting to order at 7:30 pm. II. PUBLIC HEARING A. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS 1. 2005-0526; 13546 Brick Road JULIE SCHUTTE: (See staff report and pictures attached to C of A in meeting binder). Homeowner, Michael Humes, was not present nor was any representative from AEP. Staff has tried to contact the homeowner by phone on May 26`h, May 27`h, June 7", and June 9`h, and still have not heard from the owner. JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion that this be tabled until July's meeting. MARTHA CHOITZ: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously. 2. 2005-0601; 1021 Riverside Drive JULIE SCHUTTE: (See staff report, pictures, and drawings, attached to C of A in meeting binder). Homeowner, Brendan Crumlish, was present. John Oxian asked who built the addition on the house. Mr. Crumlish stated that he did not know who built the addition on the house because it was already there when he bought the house. MARTHA CHOITZ: I move that application number 2005-0601 be approved as stated in the staff s recommendation. MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously. 3. 2005-0609; 1077 Riverside Drive JULIE SCHUTTE: (See staff report, pictures, and copies of letters sent by Mark Temple Tree Service and Daniel Philpott to Catherine Hostetler, Director, attached to C of A in meeting binder). Homeowners, Diane and Daniel Philpott, were present. DANIEL PHILPOTT: After we had submitted our initial application and the arborist's tree report; Temple Tree Service strongly recommended that we also get rid of a second tree in addition to the first tree that we wanted cut down. It is a cedar tree that is located on the Riverside Drive side of the house. The tree is quite old and is close to dying on its own. It is very dried out and needs to be cut down. We agree with their recommendation and would like that tree cut down as well. We did follow up with a letter regarding this. (refer to copy of letter sent to Catherine Hostetler, Director, attached to C of A application in meeting binder). So there are really two trees that need to be cut down. The first tree is a hemlock, which is right in front of the house. We would like to have this tree cut down for the following reasons. 1. Aesthetic reasons - it creates too much shade for the house and it obstructs the view of the house. 2. Structural reasons — the roots are crowding and threatening the foundation, the acid from the tree corrodes the shingles, the roof, and the paint on the sides of the house. 3. The needles and the shedding from this evergreen prevents the growth of any ground cover and grass below it. This is a huge area of dirt that we would really like to fill in with ground cover and greenery. 4. It is also preventing the growth of two nearby smaller trees; one of which is right underneath this tree. We would like to give those trees a chance to grow up. We already have three large trees on that side of the house as you can see in the picture. We don't think that this would diminish at all the sense of the house being very wooded. The second tree is the cedar tree which is on the Riverside Drive side of the house. The house sits on the comer of Golden Street and Riverside Drive and faces Golden Street. This is the tree that Temple Tree Service recommended that we cut down because it is near death anyway and is dried out and needs to be cut down. We also feel that it blocks the house and is hindering growth beneath it. On that side of the house there is already a tall tree standing between it and the side walk in the near vicinity. So from the perspective of a person walking by the house; there is already a tall tree there and it's not going to create a sense of sparseness. JOHN OXIAN: In the picture which shows the east side of the house there are three trees there. The middle tree is the one that you want to cut down that is right up close to the house, right? Mr. Philpott showed commission members where the cedar tree and the hemlock tree are located in the pictures that he presented with his C of A application. MARY JANE CHASE: I will make a motion on application 2005-0609 that the two trees recommended on 1077 Riverside Drive be removed as stated. DIANE WROBEL-ILLES: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously. B. LANDMARK 1. Second Reading: 16977 Adams Landmark 1880 Barn CLINT ZALAS: I am an attorney here in South Bend with the firm of Lee and Groves. I was contacted this afternoon by the Sieradzkis. They are the landowners whose property the landmark sits on. They object to the designation of the bam on the property as a historical landmark. I don't know if you have in your file a copy of the correspondence that Mr. Sieradzki faxed to Catherine Hostetler on June 201h. It essentially expresses their position. If you do not have a copy of this I brought extra copies with me so that you can have that in your file. (passed out printed copies of the letter for commission members to keep). I am not sure if you are familiar with this particular property. You take Hickory Road north into Knollwood. As Hickory Road dead ends into Adams Road this bam structure is located immediately to the north of Adams Road. When the Sieradzkis originally purchased this particular piece of property they did so as an investment. They wanted to divide the land. Jim Sieradzki is a very well known builder in the area known as Century Builders. He has the land plotted with six sites that he would like to put homes on. I also brought with me a copy of the site plan that was submitted to the county plan commission. Presently he has the road going into this particular area off to the left hand side of the bam. Nothing's been done to the barn to change it from the state that he received it in when he purchased the property. He does though believe that designating this bam as a landmark will substantially impair the value of the property and is going to limit its marketability because anyone that wishes to purchase the property is going to have to purchase it subject to the restrictions that come with the landmark designation. He believes that he will be applying to a smaller market pool of purchasers than if the designation was not assigned. Based upon his experience he believes there will be a considerable expense in rehabilitating the bam to its original condition. There are a few noticeable features associated with the bam right now that leave it in a state that is what I would consider to be unoriginal. The hinged doors on the front doors of the bam have been removed by the prior landowner and now you have the sliding doors that you typically see on a pole barn. The west side of the barn has a different wall than the rest of the bam does and must have been altered at some point in time in the past. In order to restore this barn to an 1880's condition, considerable expense will need to be made. It is also the Sieradzki's position that there are much better examples of barns within the immediate area. They also contend that there are other barns that are more appropriate displays of architecture for this time period; however, I can't cite to you were those barns are located. As I mentioned the file came into me late this afternoon and the Sieradzki had a proceeding that they needed to be at this evening. I think I have effectively surmised their position and I don't know if I have enough information in my file to answer your questions; but, I will field them and report them to the Scieranskies as your concerns here this evening. JOHN OXIAN: I am Chairman of the Landmarks Committee. We did go out and look at the bam. When you make a landmark you do not ask the owner to come in and make any changes to whatever comes in at the time it's a landmark. So if the landmark comes in and the barn is in that condition it stays in that condition until the owner wants to make changes. The bam is rated and besides that truthfully in our opinion the whole property is rated; because, there is history that shows wood was taken off that property to build bridges in Mishawaka. In my opinion, even though the house is covered with aluminum siding; I would still include it because the house and the bam are too close together to separate one from the other. You also have a milk house there which is also significant as well as other items on the property. An individual lived there that was important enough in the history of St. Joe County to have contributed to it. We have made a lot of farms in the county as landmarks. If we were just going to go by one bam instead of another person's barn then you wouldn't have almost seventy landmarks in the county. Being that you're new at this I figured you should learn something from it too. The reason I would like to table this is because now that you're here it might not be a bad idea to have it tabled and then have the owners come and hear their point of view; since you will be able to take back more information with you. We can listen to whatever ideas they have on the property and where they propose to put in six new houses. CLINT ZALAS: I have brought a copy of the site plan if you would like to see it. I apologize for having such a vague file. I am not sure you will see me at the very next proceeding or if their council Ed Hardig will be present. I am not in my normal arena, so there is quite a bit of newness in front of me this evening; but, I hope that I can adequately represent the Sieradzkis and then their past council Ed Hardig can come in and take over where I have left off. John Oxian stated that he would like to see a copy of the site plan that was brought in. Lynn Patrick informed Mr. Zalas that nothing was going to be decided tonight and he would be informed of any future proceedings. John Oxian stated that, as Chairman of the Landmark Committee, he plans to call a committee meeting to further discuss this matter. III. REGULAR BUSINESS A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES — (May 16, 2005) (Due to a copy error, the last page of the May 16th, 2005 minutes was not copied and put into the meeting binder). MARY JANE CHASE: I will make a motion that we tabled the minutes of the May 16, 2005 meeting so that we can read the last page of the minutes. DIANE WROBEL-ILLES: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously. John Oxian abstains. B. TREASURER'S REPORT JOHN OXIAN: (See green copy of Treasurer's Report in HPC meeting binder). John also asked Julie if Catherine had gone before the County Council regarding her salary. Julie stated that Catherine did go before the County Council and it passed. John asked what the total amount was. Julie said the total plus benefits was about $6, 700.00 dollars. C. COMMITTEE REPORT 1. President's Report — (No report) 2. SouthHold Awards Committee Follow Up JULIE SCHUTTE: Catherine was running the numbers and we compared this past year's SouthHold Awards to the previous year's and we found that we spent probably just about as much on this year's as last year's with a greater return on our investment. I also have some correspondence to read which I will read later on in the agenda. We have all heard favorable comments about the SouthHold Awards. Almost all of the bills are completed except for the AV that has not come in so we're going to check up on that bill and then we will have the final numbers. Martha Choitz suggested that they form a SouthHold Awards Committee for next year right away and that the preliminary work be done as soon as possible. Lynn Patrick also made a suggestion that they retain the SouthHold Award Committee from last year. Catherine Hostetler — Chair Martha Choitz Lynn Patrick 4 Mary Jane Chase Virginia O'Hair MARY JANE CHASE: I will make a motion that we retain last year's committee members for next year's SouthHold Awards Committee and that Julie make a tentative arrangement with the Palais Royale for next year's SouthHold Awards Meeting. JOHN OXIAN: Seconds the motion and it pass unanimously. D. STAFF REPORTS 1. C of A Approvals; Correspondence Julie Schutte informed commission members that Catherine had printed a list of the C of A's that have been approved; however, she did not have a copy of it with her. She stated that she would send or email commission members a copy of the list of C of A's that have been approved. Correspondence: June 2" , 2005 Dear Catherine I just want you to know that Norm and I enjoyed the annual awards breakfast on May 21 ". It was so nice to be with neighbors and other citizens who also appreciate Historic Preservation. Keep up the good work. Sincerely, Linda Riley, East Wayne Street Historic District Correspondence May 22"d, 2005 Dear Catherine I would like to thank you and Julie for a very enjoyable breakfast event yesterday. It was my first time in the restored ballroom. What a delight it is. The morning light animated all that took place. I applaud you for the inclusive efforts that obviously were part of the planning. It was gratifying to be with people from the city and county departments and the many neighbors. The crafts people on hand were a nice touch. The speaker challenges us to be creative in saving our past. However will you top this next year? All the best. Sincerely, Philip Schatz Julie Schutte verbally went through the Director's Report and Assistant Director's Report with commission members. A. Director's Report - (See cream copy of Director's Report in meeting binder) B. Assistant Director's Report — (See green copy of Assistant Director's Report in meeting binder) 2. Legal —(No Report) IV. OLD BUSINESS 513 River Avenue JULIE SCHUTTE: There was an understanding at the May meeting that the commission members would visit the house and then make some sort of motion for guidance regarding the property. This is in regards to the fence that is located on the property. 5 JOHN OXIAN: If you follow the C of A then we have to have the fence taken down. If we leave the fence there then I think we are going to have to justify why we are leaving it there. Otherwise we are going to be going against what we passed in the C of A. So by the July meeting we should obtain an official report from the inspector with the help of the staff to justify either leaving or removing the fence and the reasons why; because, we may have to take formal action on this. LYNN PATRICK: When this C of A was granted it was with the stipulation that when they sold or moved they would restore the fence to its original location. It was moved forward a foot or so and a different fence was put in. This was to enable a spot for their dogs. Since that time the property has gone into foreclosure and I believe there was a bankruptcy that was filed. The couple has moved out and their lease purchase probably terminated. We in the neighborhood are very concerned that if we have someone new buy this house and the first thing that they're greeted with is the recommendation that they have got to move that fence then it's going to give a very negative impression of both the neighborhood and HPC in general. I have spoken to other neighbors near by and no one takes issue with this fence on my street. I look at this fence everyday and it is not historic; but, I do not find it that obnoxious either. I really don't have a problem with it. It is painted a nice color. I would also like a report on this. The next people that move there could decide that they don't want a fence at all and if they wanted to take it down I wouldn't have a problem with that either. I would be happy to look at a report on this since nobody's pushing us either way right now and the house is still for sale. I think my esteemed commissioner's suggestion that we have a staff report is a good one. Even after we get the staff report on this, I am still going to move that we just let the fence stand. We're going to table this until the next meeting when we will have a staff report. Any commissioner who hasn't been by to see this remarkable fence I encourage them to do so. Chapin Park LHD Standards and Guidelines JULIE SCHUTTE: No action needs to be taken. I believe it was all resolved at the last special commission meeting. Julie Schutte also gave Diane Wrobel-Illes a brief verbal update on what has been happening. She said that essentially the commission approved the existing definitions that are basically included in all of the guidelines and approved those changes which the neighborhood recommended that pertain to the district. Maintain and repair brick streets with appropriate materials - brick pavers not asphalt patches or others. Also they clarified tree plantings and few other issues. JOHN OXIAN: We made a motion to put into the Preservation Plan a letter that Martha had received from Frank Gilbert. LYNN PATRICK: We also accepted a new preface which was drafted based on their revision of the original preface. It was agreed that our next move would be to produce a final draft which would then be available at three different locations for people to look at prior to printing. V. NEW BUSINESS Mini Fair August 27 on LaSalle Street Lynn Patrick stated that she had talked to Bob Yapp earlier and advised him not to come to the meeting because it was going to be a brief meeting and they were not going to have enough commission members there for a quorum. He will make his presentation at the next commission meeting instead. No further action was taken on this matter. JULIE SCHUTTE: You have received emails regarding NNN's proposals for Portage Avenue as well as some possible dates for an executive meeting. I know Martha wanted to hear from Karen Ainsley. I have not received any dates from Karen yet. Does the commission have any dates that they would like to set for an executive meeting out of those four dates listed to set some sort of policy? Lynn Patrick asked that everyone call or email Julie on what times are best for them so that she can set up a meeting. Julie said that she would call Karen Ainsley and see when she would be available to meet with them. The county council office has also informed us that Diane Wrobel-Illes's term is up for reappointment in July and Gerald Ujdak's term is up for reappointment this coming fall. John asked if Julie had received any answer from the letters that were sent to the two houses concerning maintenance. Julie stated that they have not received an answer yet. John Oxian then said LaSalle Street should be a priority as a local historic district over any of the other ones that might still be around. He also asked what is going on with Sunnymeade? Julie said that she hasn't spoken to any members of the Sunnymeade neighborhood group in several months now; so she doesn't know what the interest is. John then stated that he still feels that the historic district committee should definitely look at LaSalle Street; because, it is twenty years overdue. Too much is happening on Chapin and Lincoln Way and enough of the houses have disappeared where you're right now up to the backyard of the houses on LaSalle Street. John said that he talked to Jeff Gibney, who was going with the suggestion that they go all the way to LaPorte. John thought they should go all the way to someplace around Cushing. He also thinks they should start on this because they have enough landmarks there, and they want to strip two houses. Those things should happen with HPC having some type of control over that even though it's being done by landmark. Julie Schutte also said that Connie Tooley who owns those two houses that are having the siding removed is very interested in having a local historic district on LaSalle. John also said he has a customer whose house is not a landmark would also like to see a district there. Lynn Patrick then asked Mary Jane Chase if she would like to come on the Historic District Committee. Mary Jane Chase said yes she would. Julie also announced that Historic Landmark Foundation is having their northern regional meeting on Friday, July 150s, 2005. It is a movable feast. It starts at the LaPorte Depot at 5:00 pm. moving to dinner, silent auction, and meeting at the civic auditorium and ending with dessert at the Old Republic from 9:00-10:00 pm. The cost is $35.00 per member and $45.00 per non member. VI. HEARING OF VISITORS CAROL DAVIS: I have started getting signatures from people to try and save the greenhouse over in River Park. We find that the greenhouse is on the same property as the zoo; which is Potowatomi Park and all the park storage. We have started with the greenhouse; but, we are going to do the park and the zoo at the same time. We need to know how many signatures we are going to need and whatever else we need to do to get this done. JOHN OXIAN: For a public building or public property according to our Preservation Plan the only thing we have to do is to inform the owner of the property that we are considering it for landmark status and ask politely if they would like to support it or not. We do not need the other government bodies' permission to go ahead with it. Getting a 7 petition with the support of HPC would help. Attending the meeting on a second reading, if we go to that stage, would also help. Convincing the park department to go along with this would also help. Historic Preservation does not need permission from the Park Department. LYNN PATRICK: Have you spoken to the Park Department? CAROL DAVIS: I have called; but, nobody has responded. The only people I have gotten any response from are some of the employees of the Park Department and that is as far as it goes. I have called and called and haven't gotten any of the hierarchy to respond to the phone calls. They were supposed to have a meeting today and I got word that they canceled it. Lynn Patrick asked Carol Davis if she had tried sending them a registered letter. Carol stated that she would either send them a registered letter or go see them in person. John told Carol that she should send a letter to HPC asking them to take action on this matter. Carol said she would send a letter to HPC. He also told her that she should mention to either the director or assistant director of the Park Department that she has approached HPC, she will be collecting a petition, and will be sending a letter that the commission consider whatever buildings that she has in mind for landmark designation so that they are so informed; and most likely she will get a reaction or HPC will get a reaction. Lynn Patrick asked Carol Davis what her motivation was for doing this. Carol stated that she likes to see historic buildings and sites preserved for our future generations. As they get older we can tell them about these sites and buildings and they can see pictures of them; but, it is not the same as being able to go up there and touch them, see them, and be in them. Our past is our future to them. If they don't know where they came from then they don't know where they're headed. JANE MOLNAR: I have worked at the city greenhouse for three summers back in the late 1970's to early 1980's. I have studied Horticulture at Purdue; which I graduated in 1980 and at that time there were probably 8 or 9 employees at that greenhouse including three of us who were seasonal during the summers. I worked with Joseph Gondich who just retired recently after 43 years. He was there then. He retired May 15`h. His son David Gondich is still working there. He has been there 18 years. There is another gentleman named Robert Monroe who has been there 11 years. Since I graduated in 1980 with a bachelors degree in Horticulture I moved down to southern Indiana and greater Louisville area and I have been in the greenhouse landscape nursery business ever since then. I just moved back here in December. I interviewed at the zoo for the Horticulture Curator position back in March and I didn't get the position; but, two weeks ago when they called from the greenhouse and offered me a position as green house assistant there I jumped at the chance. I agree with Carol about the landmark status. Jane then gave very detailed historical background information on the greenhouses and the architectural firm who had them built. Lynn Patrick asked Jane if she would draw up a two to four page summary of the information she has on the greenhouse so the commission would have something better to go on. Jane stated that the greenhouse office has the original building plans, pictures, and a substantial amount of historical information about the greenhouses. She also said that Robert Monroe has also offered to share any information he may have as well. q JANET MACIULSIQ: I am from the River Park Neighborhood Association. I am also here for the same issue that these ladies are here for. This is something that we had a motion on the table for at our last board meeting. We unanimously voted to support saving the greenhouse. We didn't talk about saving the whole zoo; so that's not part of our motion. We are definitely concerned about the greenhouse. You asked earlier what the motivation was for doing this. There was an article on when the new conservatory was dedicated and Mr. Newman said, "If we want the children to appreciate beauty we must have something of beauty to show them." I think that the greenhouse is an awesome example of something that's very beautiful. I think there are a lot of people who just go to the greenhouse and really don't want the zoo atmosphere. The conservatory has a different kind of atmosphere and I think it should stay where it is right now. Lynn Patrick stated that later on down the road a letter from her neighborhood organization would be nice too. Janet Maciulski said that her neighborhood organization would definitely write a letter in support of the greenhouse. VII. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS, ADJOURN John Oxian makes a motion to adjourn the meeting. Mary Jane Chase seconds the motion and it passes unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 9:00pm. Historic Preservation Commission Minutes: June 20, 2005 ATTEST: , Secretary