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AGENDA OF THE February 28, 2005
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Regular Meeting 7th Floor — County -City Building
Monday, February 28, 2005 7:30 PM
I. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL
II. PUBLIC
HEARING
A.
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
2005-0118(b) 1069 Riverside Drive
B.
LANDMARK Follow-up on 68286 Miami Mr. and Mrs. Roeder
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Landmark Letters: 414 N. Ironwood and St. Pauls Lutheran Church
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Cemetery on New Road
III.
REGULAR BUSINESS
A.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
1. October, 2004
2. January, 2005
B.
TREASURER'S REPORT
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C.
COMMITTEE REPORTS
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1. President's Report:
2. SouthHold Awards Committee
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Approval of Breakfast Expense
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Meeting date for speaker selection and awards
3. Standards and Maintenance
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D.
STAFF REPORTS:
1. C of A Approvals; Correspondence
A. 2005-0118(a)1069 Riverside Drive
B. Erskine Golf Course: Commission Approached by Grass Roots
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C. Director's Report: Office Status Report, Portage Prairie
Developments, Granger Pathways
D. Assistant Director's Report: Chapin Park Area Plan Hearing,
Leeper Park Bridge Lights permit
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2. Legal
IV.
OLD BUSINESS
1. Palais Royale Signage; 2. Cornelius O'Brien Conference Report
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V. NEW BUSINESS
1. Historic Pipe Organ Survey or Study; 2. Commission Assistance Contract
VI.
HEARING OF VISITORS
VII.
ANNOUNCEMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS
Leeper Park/George Kessler in upcoming HLFI newsletter
STAFF REPORT
CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
Date:
Application Number:
Property Location:
January 18, 2004
2005-0118 (b)
1069 Riverside Drive, South Bend, IN
Property Owner: Megan & Christopher Hartz
Landmark or District Designation: Riverside Drive Local Historic District
Rating: Contributing: 10
STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT
Built in 1909 for the Gelbrich family. In 1994, the HPC approved removal of a stone patio, and
installation of a brick patio, and rear yard privacy fence. In 1998, the HPC approved removal of
some yews, and planting of holly and spruce bushes.
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dormers of the Hartz home to provide both the proper ventilation of the third floor play area in the
summer and insulation in the winter. They will successfully replicate what is currently there and
will be indistinguishable from the original when viewed from the street. Staff recommends
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STAFF REPORT
CONCERNING THE LANDMARK FARMHOUSE
68286 MIAMI ROAD, UNION TOWNSHIP
THE GEORGE SEIFER HOUSE
Meeting Date: Thursday, February 17, 2004 @ 9:00 am
Those Attending:
Wendy Roeder, owner
Joann Sporleder
Don Sporleder
Julie Schutte
Purpose: To discuss the possibility of an addition to the rear of the house to fulfill the desires of the owners and
to retain as much of the form and structural elements of the historic house as possible.
The addition: Owners would like a more accessible first floor bath/utility room with shower, especially after a
long day of work on their farm. They would also like it to be accessible for elderly family members. The current
first floor bath is small and the farthest room from the entrance of the house. They would also like to expand the
kitchen for holiday gatherings and cooking projects; and may want to attach a garage.
Proposal:
Bathroom: Adapt the small, enclosed porch on the south side of house into the entryway -mud room -utility room -
bathroom combination.
Assessment: the bathroom/utility room would be much more accessible and tailored to the needs of the family; a
two-story structural wall would not need to be touched on the northeast side of the building to expand the existing
bath and therefore the cross gable form would not be obscured by the addition and window openings would not be
lost; new wall could be placed between existing window and door to provide another operable window for the
dining room. This would expose the historic and original form of the cross -gable house, and distinguish the
historic portion of the house from the new addition.
Kitchen: Expanding the kitchen would require the removal of the shed roof appendage, which is possibly the
summer kitchen or portion of an older structure. Staff has not positively identified the date and original use of
this portion of the house. The new kitchen could be built extending east from the eastern wing of the cross gable,
one story the width of the wing (— 16 feet) with a gabled roof. Two pitches could be used for the roof of the
addition: a slope to match the gable of the house or a gentler slope to retain the long second story windows. The
interior of the existing kitchen has lovely oak moldings. Staff would recommend reusing this and any other
architectural features: stone from the rubble foundation, siding in good condition, windows, etc.
Assessment: The house would lose the shed addition but the cross -shaped form of the house would remain intact,
and may even be more visible and understandable to the eye. Many more original window openings would
remain than in the previous proposal. The addition might also provide the owners with better access to their
basement/crawl spaces.
Porch: Porch is in need of repair. Rotting rails and spindles could be repaired and strengthened with wood
consolidants and epoxies: Abatron was recommended to the owner. Water damage seems to be due to gutters
sloping away from the downspouts.
Drainase: The house has half -round gutters and in some portions, the drainage systems seem much too complex
and drains in the wrong direction. This should be adjusted and then the moisture issues that are causing the
peeling paint would be on the way to being solved.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
OF SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
MONTHLY MEETING
MINUTES
October 18, 2004 0 Floor, Council Chambers,
County -City Building, South Bend, IN
MEMBERS PRESENT: Martha Choitz, Mary Jane Chase, Gerald Ujdak,
John Oxian, Lynn Patrick, Joann Sporleder, Diane
Wrobel-Illes
STAFF PRESENT: Catherine Hostetler, Director
Julie Schutte, Assistant Director
John Livingston, City Attorney
ALSO PRESENT: Kolin Hodgson, Todd Zeiger, (HLFI Director),
Nora Geissler, Liz Dube, Theresa Sedlack,
Geoff Newman, Rev. Tab Roehrs, David Mirkin,
Susan Fezy, Daniel Slattery, Veronnica Towne,
(others also attended the meeting who did not
speak, see attached sign -in sheet)
I. CALLED MEETING TO ORDER
JOHN OXIAN: Called the meeting to order at 7:30 pm.
11. PUBLIC HEARING
A. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS
1. 2004-0929; 521 South St. Joseph-Dismas House; yard light
JULIE SCHUTTE: (See staff report attached to C of A). Homeowners were not
present.
Joann asked if a designated spot had already been picked for the yard light; Julie stated
that it would be installed near the walkway going up to the residence.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I move that application 2004-0929, the St. Joseph-Dismas
house, that placement of a yard light be approved as presented by staff.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
2. 2004-1013; 316 East South Street; garage
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: (See staff report attached to C of A). Homeowner,
Gilbert Michelle, was present with his contractor. His contractor brought in a sample of
the siding they propose to use on said garage.
John Oxian asked if they propose to install the same type of siding that is already on the
garage now; and what type of garage door they plan to install on the garage.
The homeowner stated that he was looking at using either vinyl or hardi-board siding.
His contractor stated that the hardi-board siding would come close to matching the siding
that is already on the house now. The homeowner also stated that he is planning on using
just one single garage door.
JOANN SPORLEDER: On application 2004-1013, 316 E. South Street, staff
recommends approval of application and we would confirm that with the added notion
that the siding selected in width should match that of the existing house as close as
possible.
GERALD UJDAK: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
B. CHAPIN PARK PUBLIC HEARING
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Each side pro and con will have a main speaker who
will give their introductory statement that will last for five minutes and that will be
followed by support of those of that position and they will be limited to a three minute
time frame.
At the podium we have included a reminder to state your name, address, and if you
are a property owner in that district, and then to give your three minute or five minute
talk. The people who are against or have reservations about the district will then be able
to give their side of it followed by three minutes each.
John will then allow the neighbors in favor to rebut. The commission will close the
public discourse and address questions to the homeowners and have the homeowners
address questions to the commission.
People who spoke in favor of Chauin Park becomine an historic district
KOLIN HODGSON: I have lived at 807 Ashland for ten years. I have been a member
of the Chapin Park Neighborhood Association almost three years. I was also a member
of the association's committee that was assigned to establish the rules set out in the
guidebook for the proposed Chapin Park Local Historic District that we're considering
here tonight.
We did this for a few simple reasons. Our neighborhood is bordered on the east side
by Memorial Hospital and the South Bend Medical Foundation; and on the west side by
the Portage Avenue Commercial Corridor; and on the south side by the city of South
Bend.
The commercial boundaries represent for our neighborhood a potential for
encroachment on the neighborhood. Memorial Hospital, one of our biggest neighbors,
has been meeting with the Chapin Park and River Bend neighborhoods for the past two
years to discuss our common issues. Hospital officials have promised not to encroach on
the neighborhood and we are grateful for the current administration's respect and
consideration; however, this has not always been the case in history. If you look at an old
photograph of Lafayette Street between Navarre and Lamont you would see a row of
residential homes on the east side of Lafayette; that property is now parking for Memorial
Hospital. As long as future hospital administrations honor their pledge then we have
nothing to fear from the hospital itself; however, this doesn't mean we are out of the
woods. For example, the OBGYN practice on the west side of Lafayette has recently
expanded and taken over another lot of the neighborhood. The continued growth of the
hospital with the new heart center this year and a new cancer center next year makes new
businesses around the hospital more likely then ever. Things like coffee shops,
restaurants, short term lodging, more medical practices and medical services, and more
parking, all could be a viable commercial growth on our east border that's not growth
that's instigated by the hospital itself. The South Bend Medical Foundation and
Memorial Hospital both continue to grow and demand more of these services.
Now to the west the Portage Corridor is seeing revitalization thanks to the efforts of
the Near Northwest Neighborhood Association and the Portage Corridor Steering
Committee. While commercial development there is low at the moment the potential
impact in our neighborhood may increase as that revitalization continues.
In addition to the protection of private property in the neighborhood from encroachment
the Chapin Park board was also concerned with the protection of common property.
The brick streets that connect our homes would be protected by this ordinance and the
same is true for the old street lights that lent to the over all charm of our historic streets.
In the case of new construction under this ordinance, the standards require that the
buildings be of the same proportion and style so as not to detract from the historical look
of the neighborhood. Unfortunately, historic district status isn't a perfect antidote to the
problems of encroachment and preservation of our common resources. The protection
the local historic district status gives us comes with a price. The fact is everyone in the
neighborhood has to give up some autonomy in exchange for this protection.
When the Chapin Park Committee first reviewed the rules governing the current
historic districts in South Bend we found them to be very restrictive. Through give and
take with the HPC and Chapin Park representatives we have it on a new set of standards;
the standards we have before us today. Those standards do represent opportunity for
protection. Now would adoption of these standards guarantee protection from any threat,
the answer is no. Does the adoption of those standards mean that local historic district
status can never be repealed, again the answer is no. Is the adoption of these standards
the only action we can take to maximize protection of our neighborhood; the answer is
yes. Local historic district status is the only measure that has not yet been taken to
protect the Chapin Park neighborhood; which South Bend residents have occupied and
admired for more then a hundred years.
My request to the commission tonight is that you listen carefully to the views
expressed. We ask you to make the appropriate recommendation to the Common Council
with regard to the proposed local historic district ordinance for our neighborhood.
NORA GEISSLER -- 315 W. Navarre Street -- Homeowner for eleven years — renter
on Lamont Terrace
LIZ DUBE -- 614 Portage Avenue — homeowner at current address three years —
Lamont Terrace two years.
TODD ZEIGER — HLFI director — office located at 402 W. Washington Street.
Historic Landmarks Foundation works with a number of commissions around the state
of Indiana. I have found that with our work across the state that these commissions
and these local districts provide a tool for those who live in the neighborhoods. It
provides a tool for those folks who want to find technical assistance on how to rehab
their homes and other important information. We find these guidelines to be very much
an economic matter of protection of everyone's investment. If there is any way we can
lend our help now or with ongoing conversations about this new district, we would be
glad to help.
THERESA SEDLACK — 817 Forest — homeowner for five years.
Peonle who are oonosed to Chapin Park becomine an historic district
GEOFF NEWMAN — 2116 Willow Lake, Mishawaka — Temple Beth -El -- past
president.
The Chapin Park historic district as proposed presents very serious concerns for our
congregation. By way of background next year will mark the 100`h year that Temple
Beth -EI has been in existence. In our early years we were located on the corner of
LaSalle and Taylor Street.
In the late 1940's we built and moved to our present location at 305 W. Madison, the
southwest comer of Madison and Lafayette.
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As I am sure you can appreciate we have had a long history of being committed to the
near downtown location, and in particular a long history of being committed to the near
northwest side of our city. We want very much to be able to maintain that commitment.
In the 1980's our congregation faced a significant crossroad with regards to its
physical plant. We were in need of more space under roof for our growing membership.
We were in need of additional parking to accommodate attendance at temple services, in
religious school education, and in other temple functions. We were in need of important
renovation of the building built in 1949; in order to preserve its structural integrity and
enhance its warmth, attractiveness, and function.
At that time we had a choice, one to leave the downtown area and perhaps acquire a
large portion of land in the outskirts or suburban area of the city and build a new
building; or two to stay, renovate, and expand our facilities at the Madison Street site.
We chose this second option. Since then we have undergone not one; but, two extensive
additions and modifications to our building. The most recent of which was the addition
of a large classroom facility completed just recently in the latter part of the 1990's.
At this time our facility is the dominant structure in the square block founded by
Williams on the west, Madison on the south, Lafayette on the east, and Marion on the
North. In fact, I think it is fair to say that Temple Beth -El is a very significant anchor to
securing and maintaining the near northwest part of our city as a vibrant and viable
neighborhood. It is this vibrancy I am sure that is in part given rise to the pro and
opposed creation of the Chapin Park Historic District.
It is not that we at Temple Beth -El are opposed to the establishment of such a district;
but, it is out of a concern for our future growth and possible expansion that we are
compelled to object to the boundaries of the district as they are proposed.
Since we now occupy the entire eastern half of the square block that I referred to a
moment ago, we can only grow to our west when it becomes necessary to enlarge our
physical plant and growing needs. We can only look to the west when it becomes
necessary for us to provide additional parking for our members in the use of their temple.
We are extremely concerned that by including the area immediately to the west of our
complex and the proposed historic district we will be unable to expand and grow in the
future. I might add that we currently own two of the properties in question and they are
presently used for parking, paved over with asphalt and not really worthy of preserving.
Further, though I am certainly no expert as to the historic value of houses presently
standing in the half block to our west, and though I certainly mean no discredit to those
properties or their present owners, it does not appear to me that any of the houses in this
immediate area, except for the one on Marion Street, are architecturally significant or that
the proposed historic district would in any way be weakened or denied.
If it is a desire of this commission to recommend to the South Bend Common
Council that the ordinance creating the historic district be approved; then I hope you will
make this recommendation contingent upon the ordinance being amended to fix the
southern boundary as I have suggested. The future of Temple Beth -El may well hang in
the balance. I might add one final point; that myself and other temple members would be
willing to work towards a suitable compromise if our position is deemed unacceptable in
your deliberations.
DAVID MIRKIN — 112 W. Jefferson, Suite 400 -- Chuck Simon, President, Vice
President.
REV. TAB ROEHRS — 609 Portage Avenue — homeowner for fourteen years
SUSAN FEZY — 810 Park — parents bought house originally in 1947/48 — purchased
house from parents in 1974.
DANIEL SLATTERY — 754 Leland Avenue — homeowner for thirteen years — prior to
this address he lived on Riverside Drive.
VERONNICA TOWNE -- 328 W. Marion — homeowner for fourteen years
Rebuttal
KOLIN HODGSON: I have a lot of respect for people who have been in the
neighborhood for a long time that have taken care of their homes and have improved their
homes. I think in the last ten years we have improved our home as well. I also think that
there is some misinterpretation of the way the standards would be enforced. I can think
of a few examples with my house in particular where something I have done is not
recommended; but, that's also something I can go ahead and do because it's in the not
recommended category, not the restricted or not allowed category. I have heard some
comments tonight about restrictions that I don't think are correct.
I think that we all could stand to take a little closer look at the standards and that's
something that the Chapin Park board would like to do with some members of the
commission. I don't know if you have been approached on that or not? Have you been
approached to have another meeting with us? (Commission answered no), you may be
soon.
The Chapin Park board obviously thinks there is some value to having the protection
that the proposed ordinance would allow us. And as I said before, none of us are under
the impression that we would have absolute authority over our own destiny and that there
would never be any encroachments or any poor low standard housing ever under any
circumstances.
We also feel that if we have an opportunity to protect the neighborhood, we have a
responsibility to take a look at that opportunity and weigh both sides and see if it is
appropriate for us. To this point what we have done is we have put together standards
with the Historic Preservation Commission that we think could be acceptable to the
neighborhood and acceptable to South Bend at large. We still feel that we have done
that. We don't look at this commission as a board that would restrict people from living
their lives or enjoying their homes. I personally don't feel that way and I don't think I
have seen that behavior from this board.
Ouestions and comments made by commission members.
John Oxian made the following comments:
1. What the difference was between shall and should regarding the standards.
2. There is a house on Marion Street that is a landmark and Temple Beth -El should sit
down with the individuals from Chapin Park and the commission and try and come up
with some sort of compromise.
3. Temple Beth -El should also be open to moving houses instead of demolishing them.
4. The people that are opposing the standards should sit down and read through them
thoroughly and if they don't understand them, and if we approve them, then they
should come back and ask the commission to interpret the standards for them.
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5. Out of the number of C of A's that we have had before this commission, we have
possibly turned down only five in thirty-one years. This is one of the most lenient
commissions in the United States and this commission has only gone to court twice in
thirty-one years.
Lynn Patrick made the following comments:
1. The small single bungalows that were built in the 1920's are also considered historic
and have tremendous worth.
2. Agreed that the HPC is one of the most lenient commissions in the state and are
willing to negotiate with people to come up with workable solutions.
3. Agreed Temple Beth -El and commission members should have a future meeting to
discuss a compromise for the historic homes on Marion Street.
(Other commission members made general comments as well)
John Oxian stated that the day that the district is established by the Common Council is
the starting point from where you make a judgment on a house, or building, or anything
else. We as a commission cannot judge your house, or your building, or anything else
from what existed prior to that time.
LYNN PATRICK: I would like to make a motion that we take this before the Common
Council within the ninety days after we have met with Temple Beth -El and interested
neighborhood residents and come to an understanding and resolution of our
disagreements.
GERALD UJDAK: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
John Oxian stated that according to the bylaws and resolution number nine that hearing of
visitors should be at the end of the agenda.
Don Sporleder stated that on November 15'h is the 12T annual Indiana Conference on the
environment. It is scheduled for an all day session in Indianapolis. I would also
encourage the input of the commission at that session which is sponsored by I&M and the
Department of Natural Resources. I also had an opportunity to spend some time with
MOT and the federal highway Commission in Bloomington at the workshop on the
Transportation Enhancement Program. That is an arena that is very important because it
does fund historic projects, transportation, as well as the trail projects. We do have that
Michigan Street linkage of the east and west portions of Leeper Park, which would be an
ideal thing for consideration for transportation enhancement funding. The middle of
January is the deadline for those applications, so let's see what we can do.
III. REGULAR BUSINESS
A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES — (September's minutes)
MARTHA CHOITZ: I will make a motion to accept the minutes for September.
GERALD UJDAK: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
B. TREASURER'S REPORT — (nothing to report)
C. COMMITTEE REPORTS
Appointed nominating committee
1. Joann Sporleder
2. Gerald Ujdak — Chairman
3. Diane Wrobel-Illes
D. STAFF REPORTS
1. C of A approvals; Correspondence: Leeper Park Bridge Lights;
Howard Park neighborhood; 1553 Dunham; 106 Review — SR23
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2. Grant Status: Brochure; Decennial Survey of City & County
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Correspondence on the Leeper Park Bridge Lights is
included in your meeting packet along with a response from Carl Littrell to the Division
of Design and INDOT.
John Oxian stated that he had maps for the Kessler Plan.
JULIE SCHUTTE: We also received an email from Michael Divita from Community
Development regarding the Summer Street Model Block Project in the St. Casmier
National Register District. They have purchased 1553 Dunham Street and have included
some of their specifications for renovations to the exterior of the property. They would
like comments from HPC by October 22"d, which is this Friday. (Refer to specifications
listed in email enclosed in meeting packet).
JOHN OXIAN: You inform them that we are not going to give them an answer by
October 22"d. We want an extension; because, I am going to put it into Gerry's
committee. I would like his committee to review it and give a recommendation to us as a
commission with the number of changes that they want to do to that house. This is a 106
Review so I am going to put it into the St. Casmier District Committee.
JULIE SCHUTTE: They have also sent an email saying that they are having a meeting
on October 28`h at 5:30 pm at St. Mary's Polish National Church. Gerry stated that he
would get his committee together and meet with them
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We have got the bids for the brochures. (See copy of
Rink Printing Company estimate for historic district brochures in meeting packet). All
the paper work was submitted down state for the survey of city and the resurvey of the
additions to the county survey. They estimate it is going to cost an additional $8,000.00
dollars for the two publications over and above the $19,000.00 that is already there and
the $11,000.00 that we have already encumbered and the additional $8,000.00 that they
are asking for the two publications of which we only have to pay $6,700.00.
LYNN PATRICK: I will make a motion that we look into encumbering the funds and
verifying that Rink Printing Company will stand by their price; I would recommend at
least six months and then try to wrap this up after we have brought in this new district
and made the other changes and then do the printing. I also move that we do go over the
5000 for the four color process redesign of the existing brochure and adding the color to
the district maps and keep it as written on the other side of the paper for scanning and
modifying the nine district maps. The price would be $1,366.00 dollars for scanning,
modifying, and printing the district maps; and 5000 for the reset and redesign of the
existing brochure; and printing to be 5000 printed at the cost of $4,150.00 dollars.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
3. Legal Report — (nothing to report at this time)
IV. OLD BUSINESS
LHD Lamp Post blanket approval language
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: I have enclosed in your packets a draft of a blanket
memorandum for these yard lights in historic districts so that they don't have to come
before the commission and pay $5.00 for a C of A.
LYNN PATRICK: I will make a motion that we accept your blanket approval form for
the yard lights as submitted.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
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V. NEW BUSINESS
1. Approval of Inspector's contract
2. Approval of Transcriber's Contract
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We have the inspector's contract and the transcriber's
contract to go over and if you wish to approve them or extend them for another year.
LYNN PATRICK: I will make a motion that we modify number four to read," HPC and
Mr. Doolittle anticipate that Mr. Doolittle will provide at least four but not more thirty
hours of service per week versus the fifteen as previously stated". On number eight that
we modify it to read, "HPC may modify this contract or terminate Mr. Doolittle's
services at any time provided that the HPC notifies him in writing within forty-eight
hours of its decision to modify this contract or terminate his services".
GERALD UJDAK: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We have the transcriber's service contract.
GERALD UJDAK: Is there any difference in this contract than the original one?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: No, as far as I know every thing has stayed the same.
LYNN PATRICK: I would like to make one amendment similar to what we just did on
Wayne's contract. On item number six where it reads now that the HPC may terminate; I
would like to say that the HPC may modify or terminate Mrs. Oxian's services at any
time provided that the HPC notifies her in writing within forty-eight hours of its decision
to modify or terminate.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes. John Oxian abstains.
3. Review/re-adoption of "tentative" Preservation Plan before 12/31/2004
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: This is the preservation plan and every five years we
have to review it and readopt it. This is the last one and I have stamped draft all over it.
We are going to have to go through it and then it is going to be reprinted. John Oxian
also has a list of corrections, additions, and deletions that need to be put in there, plus
there are two pages right at the beginning of it that have at least twenty corrections and
additions that have not been put into the proper areas since 1998.
JOHN OXIAN: I have talked this over with Catherine and this has to be a draft because
once we make any changes or anything with this we have to go down to the common
council for their approval so it can be put into the preservation plan booklet. These
changes have to be given to both the common council and the county council for their
approval in order for them to be included in the preservation plan.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: What time frame are you looking at for this?
JOHN OXIAN: I think that we should do this before the end of the year if possible. I
want all of you to look over this rough draft of the preservation plan before our next
meeting. If you see any corrections that you think should be in here let Catherine know
so we can have them added and if you see any mistakes let her know also and then we
can have our meeting and the committee can sit down and put this together and then we
will send it to the council.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: So before November 15`h everyone is going to have a
look at this and go over it for any corrections, additions, omissions, errors, or deletions.
They are to be submitted to me in written form.
4. Review and Award of Bids for District Brochure
(Covered earlier in the meeting under staff reports, item number 2, grant
status)
VI. ANNOUNCEMENTS, & MISCELLANEOUS MATTERS;
ADJOURN
GERALD UJDAK: I will make a motion that we adjourn the meeting.
LYNN PATRICK: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 9:45.
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THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
OF SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
January 24, 2005 4'h Floor, Council -Chambers,
County -City Building, South Bend, IN
MEMBERS PRESENT: Lynn Patrick, John Oxian, Gerald Ujdak, Joann
Sporleder, Mary Jane Chase, Catherine
Hostetler
MEMBERS ABSENT: Martha Choitz
STAFF PRESENT: Catherine Hostetler, Director
Julie Schutte, Assistant Director
John Livingston, City Attorney
ALSO PRESENT: Don Sporleder, Phillip Hesch, Michael Hayes,
Penn Twp. Trustee, Ken Zmudzinski, Bob &
Wendy Roeder
I. CALLED MEETING TO ORDER
LYNN PATRICK: Called the meeting to order at 7:34 pm.
H. PUBLIC HEARING
A. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATNESS
1. 2004-1229; Eutzler-Hollingshead Cemetery
JULIE SCHUTTE: (See staff report attached to C of A). Michael Hayes, Penn Twp.
Trustee, spoke on behalf of the cemetery.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Is the cemetery still being used and do you have any record of
who is buried there?
MICHAEL HAYES: The cemetery is strictly historical. We do have maps for the
cemetery; however, the last time the cemetery was mapped was in 1976 by a group of
people. Mr. Waters had found through his investigative work that some of the stones had
just been stuck in the ground and were not in their proper bases. The only way to make
the cemetery more historically correct was to match up the stones with the bases that are
underground. To do this he would have to probe into the ground to find out where the
actual bases are for the stones.
JOHN OXIAN: Joe Ganser also turned in a list of people that he thought were buried in
the cemetery.
MICHAEL HAYES: We plan to have everything documented with pictures as well as
documentation as to why each stone was put into its base. We are going to take a picture
of where each stone was originally sitting, and a picture of the base to prove how it
matched up with that stone.
We are going to put families all together because right now they are not together. One of
the cemeteries is still an active cemetery; however they have not done a burial there for at
least three years. Chapel Hill cemetery has allowed us to bury some people in their
cemetery so that we can reserve the space we have for later dates.
GERALD UJDAK: How many people are buried in the cemetery and where is the
cemetery located?
MICHAEL HAYES: There are approximately 75-100 graves. They date from the early
1800's to the early 1900's. All three cemeteries have at least one civil war veteran
buried in them. The cemetery is located on the south side of Dragoon Trail on Downey.
We plan to put up a more appropriate sign designating this as an historical cemetery.
MARY JANE CHASE: How much space is there? Who maintains the cemetery
grounds?
MICHAEL HAYES: The cemetery is about two hundred feet by one hundred and fifty
feet. The township maintains the cemetery.
LYNN PATRICK: Are photos going to be presented to the commission/director
showing before and after shots of the work that is going to be done there.
MICHAEL HAYES: Yes, we will work with the commission and keep them up to date
on our progress and what is being done there?
JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion that we approve this C of A.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
2. 2004-1230; Leeper Park
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: (See staff report and photos attached to C of A). Ken
Zmudzinski spoke on behalf of Leeper Park.
GERLAD UJDAK: Is this located on an existing storm drain?
KEN ZMUDZINSKI: It is on a concrete pad that has a chamber where the sewers drop
down into a line and go across the river, (technically called a river crossing), but because
of all the flow hitting that one area and then going into one small pipe a lot of the air has
to be released and then it shoots out and we capture it with a fan and nm it thorough the
filter. It flows from the north down the hill.
JOHN OXIAN: What type of plants are you going to put around it?
KEN ZMUDZINSKI: Arborvitae, bushes, or trees. Something that is tall and skinny
because the cylinder is tall and skinny.
MARY JANE CHASE: In due time does that pipe need to be cleaned out periodically?
KEN ZMUDZINSKI: It gets cleaned out every four years.
GERALD UJDAK: Is it a sanitary sewer line?
KEN ZMUDZINSKI: It is a combined sewer line.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I move that we approve their recommendation to make
permanent the installation of the order abatement air filter.
GERALD UJDAK: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
B. LANDMARK — 68286 Miami — Mr. and Mrs. Roeder
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: (See letters and staff report in meeting packet). The
homeowners were present. Phillip Hesch, attorney, spoke on behalf of the homeowners.
JOHN OXIAN: I would suggest that with this letter you have received and with what
Joann has said and the rest of the commission; that you come back with a proposal based
closely on what we're recommending and then I think you will not have any problems. If
you have any questions you can ask Joann, who is an architect.
LYNN PATRICK: I would also suggest that before you come back with a proposal that
you make an appointment and stop by the HPC office and work with Julie who has an
architectural background, and our director Catherine Hostetler. There are resources there
that can give you a better idea of what needs to be done, and maybe some of these things
can be evened out, and the whole house brought into a better proportion in a way that we
are not seeing now.
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CATHERINE HOSTETLER: When you come in for an appointment we can arrange
to have Joann there also. We can go through some of the materials that we have, you can
take a look at them, and then you can get with your architect with the suggestions that
Joann would have and we could salvage what we can of the house and then get what you
need put on so it's not going to be overwhelming.
III. REGULAR BUSINESS
A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
1. November, 2004
Mary Jane Chase stated that there was a correction on page 4 of the minutes. Her report
for the Cornelius O'Brien Conference was not included in the November's monthly
meeting packet as stated in October's monthly meeting minutes.
JOANN SPORLDER: I will make a motion that we accept the minutes for November
as submitted with the addition which was originally left out of the November minutes.
GERALD UJDAK: Seconds the motion and it passes. John Oxian abstains.
2. December, 2004
GERALD UJDAK: I will make a motion that we accept the minutes for December
2004.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Seconds the motion and it passes. John Oxian abstains.
B. TREASURER'S REPORT
John Oxian stated that he wanted to have a treasurer's report two weeks before each
monthly meeting. I would like to know what is going out and what is coming in and
everything else that pertains to the treasurer.
C. COMMITTEE REPORTS
1. President's Report: Committee Assignment
LYNN PATRICK: A copy for all committee assignments will be included in the next
monthly meeting packet.
D. STAFF REPORTS
1. C of A Approvals; Correspondence
A. No Staff Approvals
B. Oliver Inn Letter re: Facade Easements
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: You all have a copy of the Oliver Inn Letter regarding
fapade easement in your meeting packets. In this letter the owners of Oliver Inn have
expressed their frustrations regarding the facade easement. I am at a loss as to why they
did not receive any type of tax relief on their facade easement when others had. I don't
know what we can do.
Catherine deferred to Mr. John Livingston to give his legal opinion of what can be done
for the owners of the Oliver Inn regarding their facade easement. Mr. John Livingston
gave his legal opinion on property tax relief.
C. Director's Report: 2005 Goals
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Briefly went over with commission members some of
the HPC Goals for 2005. (See HPC Goals for 2005 sheet in meeting packets)
D. Assistant Director's Report Gumwood Area; Wayne's Elm
Report
JULIE SCHUTTE: In December Catherine and I put together a summary of the
Hams and Clay Townships for the county commissioners; because the county
engineering office is going to be looking to do some road projects in that area and wanted
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to make sure that they had the pertinent information about the structures, their locations
and their significance. I know that one of the projects that was in an earlier packet that
we sent to you mentions that the state is going to be widening State Road 23. It was in
the paper recently. The state has proposed widening State Road 23 from two lanes into
four lanes. They have bundled up the hearing stage; but, not necessarily the
environmental review.
Secondly this report is actually a report that Wayne did for the Near Northwest
Neighborhood Association. They are looking to plant trees along Portage Avenue
between California and Diamond and they have been given specifications for Norway,
Maple, and Red Buds. The planters didn't think that would be appropriate for Portage so
Wayne was able to get them some good information about the Liberty Elm Trees, hoping
that might work out for that entrance into the city.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Mr. Sellers actually came over to the office and
complimented Wayne on the presentation. It was a very good presentation. People were
up against a wall and Wayne came in with this wonderful suggestion and cost effective
solution, and it went over very well.
2. Legal
JOHN LIVINGSTON: We sent a letter to Mrs. Washington concerning the property at
619 Sherman. It has been reported that it has been received. We are waiting for her
response. In the letter we presented both sides of the equation to her and sent her a copy
of the standards.
IV. OLD BUSINESS
A. Review of Studebaker Corridor and 1/3/2005 DNR letter
(See copy of DNR letter in meeting packet)
B. Chapin Park Ordinance referred to Area Plan for 2/18/2005
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: The Chapin Park Ordinance was referred to Area Plan
for a 2/18/2005 hearing. I need to know also if you want the meetings to continue here
on the 7 1 floor after February or do you want me to try for the Council Chambers on the
4`h floor. (commission will make a final decision by next month).
V. NEW BUSINESS
A. Southold Awards Strategy Meeting 1/20/05 @ 5pm
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Lynn, Virginia, Julie, and I met with Mary Ann and
Sherry, the food ladies, and we settled on a menu and time and we're discussing the use
of vendors possibly. We will be charging at least $10.00 per person. Julie has contacted
a HLFI for their membership lists for the county and we're going to get the save -the -date
cards out in the mail on the Friday following Valentine's Day. We still need to decide on
a speaker, award recipients, etc.
B. 115 East South Street/Fire Damage and Demolition Possibility
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We got a phone call into Norman Northcutt that hasn't
been returned because he said he was ill. John Livingston called me last Friday and said
that Cathy Brucker is putting the house on the demo list, just to get the owner's attention.
She wants it evaluated by an expert and I have emailed both Bob Yapp and Don
Sporleder to see if they would be willing to go to this place and do an evaluation. They
might not even be able to walk into it at this point; because of the heavy snows. This
home has been in this condition since October.
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JOHN LIVINGSTON: What we understand is the man had enough insurance to pay off
the mortgage and that's it. He underinsured the property. Our people don't feel qualified
to go in there and evaluate it from the standpoint that all their manuals are based on the
cost to fix and the cost to tear it down, based on a normal house. They feel this house has
some historical significance. Cathy Brucker does not want to tear the house down unless
it's not worth saving. She is trying to save the house.
VI. HEARING OF VISITORS
DON SPORLEDER: The planning session for the regional Greenway workshop is
tomorrow between 2:00-4:00pm at the Nature Center at Bendix Woods. That does
include Michigan counties to the north as well as Elkhart, St. Joe, LaPorte, Porter, and
even a couple to the South. So if anyone from the commission would like to attend; they
are welcome to come. Lori Robinson from the National Park Service will be there.
VII. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS
Symphony House@1243 E. Jefferson: 9-4 Porch Workshop 1/29
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Bob Yapp is going to have his second porch workshop
on the 29th, between the hours of 9:00-4:00 pm. Call the HLFI office if you are interested
in attending.
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
JOHN OXIAN: I move to adjourn the meeting.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 9:33 pm.
Banquet Contract
EVENT: SouthHold Awards
FUNCTION: SouthHold Awards
Page 4 of 4
Moms Performing Arts Center
BANQUET EVENT ORDER - 186006262
LOCATION: Palais Royale
COMPANY: Historic Preservation Commission
CONTACT: Catherine Hostetler (LINEN: Standard White
CM: Shari Crase JEW - NAPION: TBD
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FOOD
Serve from: 7:45 AM to 8:00 AM
200 Small Orange Jufce
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SETTING.
Serve from: 9:00 AM to 10:00 AM
200 Custom Plated Breakfast
NOTES: Basket of Mini Assorted Muffins each guest table, PLATED: Palais
Scrambled Eggs with cheese, Pork Sausage Link, and Potatoes O'Brien.
6EVERAGE
Serve from: 7:00 AM to 11:00 AM
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and china coffee cups. Replentish if needed.
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Day: Saturday
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Catherine Hostetler - Erskine 5 - 2/14/05 council meeting
From: Suzanne Hinnefeld <shinnefeld@sbcglobal.net>
To: Nancy Brenner <nanb56@comcast.net>, Sharon Brinker <sharon.v.brinker.2@nd.edu>,
Darlene Catello <dgibson459@aol.com>, Linda Chen <Ichen@iusb.edu>, Bonnie and Don
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<ch3721 @aol.com>, Henry Hinnefeld <jhenri@gmail.com>, Jerry Hinnefeld
<jhinnefe@iusb.edu>, Suzanne Hinnefeld <shinnefeld@sbcglobal.net>, Catherine Hostetler
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Date: 2/15/05 1:03 PM
SuNect: Erskine 5 - 2/14/05 council meeting
Hello, all,
There was a good presence at last night's city council meeting of those in opposition to the development
of Erskine. From what I heard the mayor say at the meeting, and from the front page article in today's
Tribune (htt://www.southbendtribune.coni/stories/2005/02/15/local.20050215-sbt-LOCL-A1_
Opposition mounts to. sto ) we have some work to do.
Great work those of you who are collecting signatures. Individuals do not have to live on the south
side. They do have to be 18 years old or older. People have contacted me from Lakeside, Granger,
Portage Ave. Everyone will go into the database, then we can separate out by zip code at a later date.
We can't get discouraged. Two council members are against it, and it takes five to vote it down. Those
of you who haven't contacted council members yet, this would be a good time to let them know how you
feel. (Contact information available at bttp•//www.ci.south-
bend.in.us/Clerk/City_Council.htm ) Common Councilmen Varner and Dieter are leaning against the
prospect of developing Erskine.
Keep up the good work, everyone.
Suzanne
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Catherine Hostetler
HPC of South Bend & St. Joseph Co.
County -City Building
South Bend, IN 46601
Dear Ms. Hostetler:
This letter is in reference to your recent application for FY05 Historic Preservation Fund grant
assistance for the City of South Bend Survey. The State Review Board on Historic
Preservation met today to consider the FY05 grant applications.
It is my pleasure to inform you that based on Indiana's expected HPF allocation, the DHPA
tentatively anticipates funding your project. Although our office cannot make any formal grant
award until written confirmation is received from the federal government, we do wish to inform
you that we expect to offer the Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend and St. Joseph
County $30,000 in federal matching grant funds.
Since this is a matching grant, the federal funding will make up 70% of the project cost, while
the local sponsoring organization is responsible for contributing the remaining 30%. Also note
that this financial assistance comes in the form of a reimbursement grant, where you will be
reimbursed for up to 70% of the project costs after you submit documentation of expenditures.
This letter should not be construed as a financial commitment from the State, nor should
any work on the project be initiated. However, you may wish to plan your tentative work
schedule for the coming months based on the assumption that a grant offer will be forthcoming.
Upon approval of your grant award by the National Park Service, formal notification of the grant
will be mailed to you from the State Historic Preservation Officer.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact the DHPA Grants Staff at (317) 232-1646.
Icey,
Steve Kennedy
Chief of Grants and Administration
Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology
Cc: Shannon Hill, Historic Landmarks Foundation of Indiana
An Equal Opportunity Employer
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Catherine Hostetler
HPC of South Bend & St. Joseph Co.
County -City Building
South Bend, IN 46601
Dear Ms. Hostetler:
Mitchell E. Daniels, Jr., Governor
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This letter is in reference to your recent application for FY05 Historic Preservation Fund grant
assistance for the St. Joseph County Field Check Survey. The State Review Board on Historic
Preservation met today to consider the FY05 grant applications.
It is my pleasure to inform you that based on Indiana's expected HPF allocation, the DHPA
tentatively anticipates funding your project. Although our office cannot make any formal grant
award until written confirmation is received from the federal government, we do wish to inform
you that we expect to offer the Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend and St. Joseph
County $4,200 in federal matching grant funds.
Since this is a matching grant, the federal funding will make up 70% of the project cost, while
the local sponsoring organization is responsible for contributing the remaining 30%. Also note
that this financial assistance comes in the form of a reimbursement grant, where you will be
reimbursed for up to 70% of the project costs after you submit documentation of expenditures.
This letter should not be construed as a financial commitment from the State, nor should
any work on the project be initiated. However, you may wish to plan your tentative work
schedule for the coming months based on the assumption that a grant offer will be forthcoming.
Upon approval of your grant award by the National Park Service, formal notification of the grant
will be mailed to you from the State Historic Preservation Officer.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact the DHPA Grants Staff at (317) 232-1646.
Siner y,
Steve
Chief of Grants and Administration
Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology
Cc: Shannon Hill, Historic Landmarks Foundation of Indiana
An Equal Opportunity Employer
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Division of Historic Preservation & Archaeology402 W. Washington Suer, W274 • Indianapolu, IN 46204-2739
Phone 317-232.16464317-232.0693•dhpa®div in.gov
January 26, 2005
Catherine Hostetler
HPC of South Bend & St. Joseph Co.
County -City Building
South Bend, IN 46601
Dear Ms. Hostetler:
Mitchell E. Daniels, Jr., Governor
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This letter is in reference to your recent application for FY05 Historic Preservation Fund grant
assistance for the St. Joseph County Interim Report Publication. The State Review Board on
Historic Preservation met today to consider the FY05 grant applications.
It is my pleasure to inform you that based on Indiana's expected HPF allocation, the DHPA
tentatively anticipates funding your project. Although our office cannot make any formal grant
award until written confirmation is received from the federal government, we do wish to inform
you that we expect to offer the Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend and St. Joseph
County $8,850 in federal matching grant funds.
Since this is a matching grant, the federal funding will make up 50% of the project cost, while
the local sponsoring organization is responsible for contributing the remaining 50%. Also note
that this financial assistance comes in the form of a reimbursement grant, where you will be
reimbursed for up to 50% of the project costs after you submit documentation of expenditures.
This letter should not be construed as a financial commitment from the State, nor should
any work on the project be initiated. However, you may wish to plan your tentative work
schedule for the coming months based on the assumption that a grant offer will be forthcoming.
Upon approval of your grant award by the National Park Service, formal notification of the grant
will be mailed to you from the State Historic Preservation Officer.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact the DHPA Grants Staff at (317) 232-1646.
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Steve Kennedy
Chief of Grants and Administration
Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology
Cc: Shannon Hill,'Historic Landmarks Foundation of Indiana
An Equal Opportunity Employer
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South Bend and St. Joseph County
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
227 WEST JEFFERSON BLVD
SOUTH BEND, IN 46601-1830
Phone: 574-235-9798 Fax: 574-235-9578
e-mail: historic@michiana.org
Lynn A. Patrick, President A Certified Local Government Catherine D. Hostetler, Director
Monday, February 7, 2005
Jim Reilman, INDOT
100 North Senate Avenue
Room N755
Indianapolis, Indiana 46204-2228
Dear Mr. Reilman:
Per your request concerning the restoration of the historic lights on the Michigan
Street / IN 933 Bridge, also known as the Leeper Bridge, I have referred the matter to the
members of the Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend and Saint Joseph County.
Though the Commission does not have jurisdiction, technically, over the color of the
restored light fixtures, the Commission would recommend and advise the use of black. One
Commission member noted the similarity of the Leeper Bridge to the bridges of Paris, France
that also have black historic lighting.
The Commission is sincerely appreciative of your fine work and the inclusion of the
Commission within the discussions and progress of this project. We can't wait to see the
lights!
Best
regards,
u e L. Schutte,
Assistant Director
Cc: Catherine Hostetler, Director
Lynn Patrick, President
Saving The History Of South Bend & St. Joseph County By Protecting The Irreplaceable
COMMISSIONERS
Mary Jane Chase (Secretary) Gerald Udak
Martha Choitz (Vice President) John Oxian (Treasurer) Diane Wrobel-Illes
Catherine Hostetler Joann Sporleder (Historic Architect) John Livingston (Attorney)
STAFF REPORT
CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
Application Number:
Property Location:
Property Owner:
Designation:
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Palais Royal
201 North Michigan Street
South Bend, IN 46601
City of South Bend
State Landmark
Rating: Outstanding - 13
This building is not a local landmark, so our approval or rejection of this Application is
an advisory one, intended to facilitate and speed up the process of decision making at the State
level.
The side of this building is itself so colorful and distinctive, that adding an additional sign
would seem to be gilding the lily; adding an embellishment that obscures a facade more
impressive than the embellishment. Additionally, the nicely proportioned canopy that City
Awning installed over the main door on the Colfax side is effective at distinguishing the entry to
passers-by.
Both the existing canopy, and the proposed sign, are artistically designed and
proportioned, of good quality materials.
This having been said, staff believes that the principle determinant in whether or not to
approve the sign should be whether or not it would damage the masonry wall to which it would
be attached, and whether or not it could be removed at a later date without leaving scars on the
building. If it would do no damage, and could be removed without leaving visible holes or
damaging traces, than the HPC should advise that permission should not be withheld.
On the other hand, if this sign would damage the building fagade, or if it would be
impossible to remove without visible traces or other damage, than the HPC should advise
that permission be denied.
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City Aw►rnng of South Bend
Joseph E. Kernan, Governor
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Division of Historic Praervulon A Arahccology402 W. Washington Stmt, W274-6idisru this, IN 46204-2739 no
Phone 317-232.1646•1im 317-232-0693 - dhpe@dm.sutain.ss AND iroawlon
12.2-2004
Dennis Andres
Moms Civic Performing Arts Center
211 North Michigan Street - 2004
South Bend, IN 46601
Re: Covenant review - Palias Royale
Dear Mr. Andres,
Thank you for submitting your preliminary inquiry regarding development affecting the above
referenced property. Development of this property is, restricted by covenants placed on the deed
as a condition of grants received through the Historic Preservation Fund. The covenant review
and is governed by the Secretary of the Interior's Standards for the Treatment of Historic
Properties.
I have had the opportunity to review the exhibits submitted and provide the following
comments:
1) Regarding the necessity and efficacy of this proposal, the Palais Royale is probably
among the top 4 landmark sites in downtown South Bend. It is difficult to believe that
many citizens would have difficulty finding or recognizing this building or its
prominent location. To the extent that direction to the Palais's entry needs enhancement
the proposed sign will be of little assistance as it will not be readily visible from the
immediately adjacent sidewalk, lacks direct proximity to the entry point, and is
relatively diminutive in the overall composition of the entry fapade. It would seem that
street level enhancement such as a kiosk sign, sandwich board or other street furnishing
would be more effective with less impact on the historic building. These would have the
advantage of opportunity for changeable information regarding currently planned
events. Alternately some new rendition of the roof mmmted illuminated sigh would be
much more effective in identifying the building from a distance and appropriate to the
building's history and context, with the added advantage of obscuring roof mounted
mechanical equipment.
2) Regarding the aesthetic design of the proposed sign and its location, these seem to have
little contextual affinity for the building. The proposed sign is discreetly small, working
against itself as an effective communication device. Its location also attempts discretion
by staying away from established focal features of the building, but by this, diminishes
programmatic effectiveness while not contributing to the overall composition of the
fa;ade. While the messy vitality of blade signs may be appropriate and contribute to
retail and wholesale commercial district environments, this feature is clearly
incongruous with monumental formality of the Palais-Palace Theater complex.
An Equal Opportunity Employer
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All this being said, the most fundamental concern here must be for the preservation of the
historical building fabric. The diminutive lightweight fabric blade sign does not present
overwhelming obstruction or alteration of the building. So long as it may be demonstrated that
the load and mechanical fixture of the sign may be installed without permanent damage to the
historical wall materials, this sign may be acceptable. It is implicit in the fabric design that this
installation is fundamentally temporary4lease provide shop drawings or catalog information
about the fixing devices proposed for suspending the proposed sig>if these appear to be
mountable to the wall with negligible impact on the masonry units, the sign may presumably be
approved. It would be best to have an understanding that this feature will be removed when it
has been functionally superceded by more permanent marquee demarking the Palais entry.
Please feel free to contact me if you require further comment or clarification of the above
requirements. It may be most convenient to contact me by e-mail at dduvall(adnr.state.in.us.
Yours truly
d! W
David B. Duvall
historical architect
cc: Catherine Hostetler— HPC South Bend.
Cornelius O'Brien Conference on Historic Preservation
October 281h to October 30th
Report on the talks that I attended
THE ART OF CONSULTING WITH YOUR RETAILERS
Presented by Rick Segel, Rick Segel Associates
Excellent presentation. In fact I did leave my business card for
information on doing a presentation in South Bend. Did receive a call
and have prices for lectures. Price is less for city associations like
DTSB or city.
List of upcoming types of business to open
HOME D$COR, FURNITURE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE
HOME FROM PLANTING, CRAFTS & HOBBIES, SCRAP
BOOKS, QUILTING (REAL BIG), GIFTS ETC.
CONFECTIONS WAS NUMBER ONE
Housing above stores
Create your own brands
Mark downs
On line
Phone ordering
Catalogs
Know your position in the market and surrounding competition
People are turning to independent businesses
Always have a specialty item to mention or show when ever anyone
comes into the store.
Always complement the customer even if it is difficult to find
something
Figure ratio of overhead, inventory and profit
ISSUES IN HERITAGE TOURISM WE ALL ATTENDED
Main speakerDeborah Doyle-Schechtman from Vermont
TOWN & GOWN
Three speakers,Talisha Coppock, Bloomington
Katy Lowe Schneider, Hanover College
Ann Graham,Marketing
Very good speakers, but with 4 colleges in our vaccinate they were
just talking about a one college town and just starting to assimilate
the planning, even in Bloomington.
EVENT SPONSORSHIP & FUNDRAISING
Speaker, Joan Flanagan, Joan Flanagan & Associates
Ms Flanagan planned the fund raising for New Carlisle Restoration of
the old court house.
Special events will not bring in money, it takes a sustained effort of
Endowments
Private donations
Government
Membership, will do successful fund raising.
Very good talk but not applicable to HPC.
Submitted by
Mary Jane Chase
11-15-04
COMMISSION ASSISTANCE m
HISTORIC
PROGRAM i_;��DMARKS
AGREEMENT FOR PROFESSIONAL Iffli D NDAl10N OF
SERVICES J1P1
This agreement entered into this first day of by and between the
South Bend/St. Joseph County Historic Preservation Commission, City of South Bend, County of St.
Joseph, State of Indiana, hereinafter referred to as the "Local Public Agency," and Historic Landmarks
Foundation of Indiana, hereinafter referred to as the "Contractor."
WITNESSETH:
WHEREAS, the Local Public Agency desires to promote certain historic preservation activities
within the County of St. Joseph/City of South Bend, Indiana; and
WHEREAS, the Local Public Agency desires the services of a qualified preservation
professional, to serve as a part-time consultant to its Historic Preservation Commission (hereinafter
referred to as'The Commission") and staff; and
WHEREAS, the Contractor represents that it is qualified to render such services to the Local
Public Agency, and is a qualified professional as defined 36 CFR 61 authorized by the National
Historic Preservation Act of 1966 as amended (P.L. 89-665) and the National Historic Preservation
Amendments Act of 1980 (P.L. 96-515); as defined in the Scope of Services below:
NOW THEREFORE, the parties hereto do mutually agree as follows:
1. SCOPE OF SERVICES. The Contractor shall coordinate the work of a qualified
preservation professional, or "community preservation specialist," who shall perform
the following services:
a) Provide consultation on Certificates of Appropriateness.
b) Provide technical assistance to historic property owners throughout the community.
c) Attend meetings of the Commission when requested by the Commission Chairperson.
d) Assist in the promotion of historic preservation generally within the City.
e) Provide additional technical assistance in such areas as National Register review,
local landmark nominations and tax act projects.
f) Assist with Section 106 Environmental Review within the City.
g) Conduct two training workshops for the Commission members and staff.
h) Plan and coordinate two property owner and/or contractor training workshops per
year. These could be in concert with other local groups or Commissions.
2. RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE LOCAL PUBLIC AGENCY. The Local Public Agency and the
Historic Preservation Commission will adopt an annual work program of projects which will
assist in preservation planning activities for the period of one year. The work program will
identify projects & training needs for the year.
3. TIME OF PERFORMANCE: The services of the Contractor shall commence
January 1, 2005 and shall be completed December 31, 2005.
AGREEMENT FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION OF SOUTH BEND/ST. JOSEPH COUNTY and HISTORIC
LANDMARKS FOUNDATION OF INDIANA
page 2
4. COMPENSATION: The Contractor shall be compensated for services in the amount of
three thousand, two hundred fifty dollars ($3,250) plus membership in Historic Landmarks
Foundation of Indiana for any Historic Preservation Commission member not already a
member. The membership rate for each commission member shall be $10 per year.
5. METHOD OF PAYMENT: Payment shall be made in one lump sum, subject to receipt of an
invoice or a voucher from the Contractor that services provided under this agreement are
being performed. Payment of three thousand, two hundred fifty dollars ($3,250) shall be
made by the City of South Bend and/or St. Joseph County and payable not later than April
15, 2005. All membership dues for Historic Preservation Commission members are due by April
15, 2005.
NON-FEDERAL LABOR STANDARDS PROVISIONS. The following Labor
Standards Provisions are applicable to this Agreement under State or Local law: provided,
that the inclusion of such provisions in this Agreement shall not be construed to relieve the
Contractor or any subcontractor from the pertinent requirements of any corresponding
Federal Labor Standards Provisions upon hours per day, per week, or per month which the
employees engaged in the work covered by this Agreement may be required or
permitted to work thereon may not be exceeded.
Where the minimum rates of pay required under State or Local law are higher than the
minimum rates of pay required by or set forth in the Federal Labor Standards Provisions of
this Agreement for corresponding classifications, such State or Local minimum rates shall
be applicable minimum rates of pay for such classifications.
7. PROVISION FOR EXTENSION: This agreement is subject to renewal upon agreement by
both parties.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, The Local Public Agency and the Contractor have executed this Agreement
as of the date first written above.
Historic Landmarks Foundation of Indiana
CONTRACTOR
By: J. Reid Williamson, Jr.
President
By: Todd Zeiger
Director, Northern Regional Office
City of South Bend and/or St. Joseph County
LOCAL PUBLIC AGENCY
By: Authorized elected official or employee of
City of South Bend and/or St. Joseph County
REVIVING TRADITIONAL CO,,\11MUNITIES:
PRODUCTS, PRACTICE, PROFITS
conference april 27-30
exhibition april 28-30
Pennsylvania Convention Center
IN THE HEART OF HISTORIC PI IILADELPHIA
Pre -register by April 13 2005 with this ticket!
1:00 PM -4:15 PM Workshops (pre -selection required)
WITI4 The"Do's and Don'ts" of Traditional Doors and Windows
WZPP6 Word, Deeds, and Drawings: Cultural Heritage Recording and Documentation
W3TT3 Introduction to Mold -Making and Casting
W4PP12 Christ Church and Mother Bethel: A Study Tour
W5PP2 More than Chandeliers: Safe and Efficient Lighting
W6TT2 Understanding Lime Mortar
1:30 PM —2:30 PM
TT23 Creating Historically- Inspired Wood Finishes
TTI Restoration of Limestone Elements in Buildings
NR5 Philadelphia Neighborhood Transformation Initiative: Development Plans for Three Neighborhoods
8:30 AM — 9:30 AM
TT5 Historical Paint Hues in America: The Evolution of Chemistry, Culture, and Color
PPI Battling Wood Decay with Engineering and Biology
TIB The Pennywise New Old House: Balancing Character and Budget
NR3 Restoration of Historic Theaters
TT22 Shedding Water/Stopping Ice: Long-lasting Metals for Sound Roofs and Drainage
CPI Lighting Design for Historic Structures
11:30 AM —12:30 PM
TO Building Modem Gothic
TI7 In Stock, In Style: The Making of Chadswmth Cottage
PPS Portable Preservationists: Professional Held Tools and Techniques -90 minutes
PP7 The Low -Cost, Low -Maintenance Mirage
TI6 Common Bond: Tradition and Innovation In Philadelphia Brickwork
CPS Maximizing Mist: A Safe Alternative toTraditional Sprinklers
1I39 Rediscovering Color & Pattern in Historic Interiors
2:00 PM — 3:30 PM
Presenting the Palladio Awards: Outstanding Commerdal,Ovic,and Institutional Architecture Projects
8:30 AM — 9:30 AM
RR1 (raft, Color, and Cottages:Ans and Crafts Interiors
WSCP78 Tour of the Exterior Renovation of Philadelphia's City Hall (Part 2)
TT14 Traditional Decorative Painting Materials
TT15 Avoiding Murphy's Law with Historic Windows
RP2 A Modernist Legacy: The Philadelphia School of the 1950s and 1960s(90 minutes)
NRI The Principles of New Urbanism (90 minutes)
11:30 AM —12:30 PM
TIS An Eye for Detail: How to Incorporate Precedent into your Designs
PB2 Historic Preservation 101: The Evolution of the Preservation Movement
HD3 An Afternoon with the Queen: A Fresh Look at America's Best -Known Victorian Style
PP9 Liturgical Planning for Historic Houses of Worship
TT13 Anything You Want to Know about Plasterwork
TIM ' Snug and Sound: The Restoration&Weatherization of Window Frames&Sash
RPI From Ordinary to Icon: New Perspectives on the Renewal of Mid -Century Modernism
2:00 PM — 3:30 PM
Presenting the Palladio Awards: Outstanding Residential Architecture Projects
Saturday, April 30, 2005
8:30 AM -9:30 AM
7I2 Designing and Decorating the Arts and Crafts Home
TT7 Traditional Heavy Timber Repairs in Situlin Kind
PP3 Technology in Transition: Problems with late 19th/early20th Century Buildings
RR3 Practical Preservation Projects for the Pre -1850 House
11:30 AM —12:30 PM
CP4 Sticks,Stones, and Steel: Restoring Stained Glass Settings and frames
PP11 Thinking Builders: Understanding the Value of Building Craft Process
THO Traditional American Slate Roofs: Their Anatomy, Maintenance, and Repair
HD4 When More was More: Eclecticism and the American Interior 1880-1910
TT17 Paint Practices for Historic tructures
PP13 Building Marketing Plan with Current Building Trends
3:30 PM — 4:30 PM
CP8 Rehabilitating Tall Buildings In a Post 9/11 World
TTB Working with Stained Glass, Old and New
PBI So What Does An Historic Property Entail? Reducing Cost &Angst
TT24 Introduction to Water Gilding
5:30 PM — 6:30 PM
P83 Looking forward to the Past: The Language of Traditional Building— Ernest Burden, Author
CP2 Sympathetic Additions to Historic Buildings (90 minutes)
RR2 Updating the Colonial Home
W7TT4 Real Beginnings for Faux Finishes (2 hours) Workshop(pre-selectionrequired)
2:00 PM-5:11SPM Workshops(pre-selectionrequired)
W$CP7A Exterior Envelope Renovation on a Grand Scale: The Philadelphia City Hall (Part l)
W91102 Moldings and the Baluster. The ABC's of Classical Architecture
W10CP6 Introduction to Historic Tax Credit Projects
WIIPP14 Federal Preservation Projects and Small Business Opportunities
2:30 PM — 3:30 PM
TT6 Stone Detailing and Historic Preservation
TT9 In the Style of the Master: Renewing Stained Glass Windows by Louis Comf nTiOany
CP3 Integrated Design: Sustainability and Adaptive use of Historic Urban Structures
NR2 Revitalizing 19th -20th Century Industrial Buildings for the 21stCentury
5:30 PM -6:30 PM Keynote Address
CP12 Sore Ourlan4 SoveOur Towns: The Role ofTmiitional(ammunidE- Thomas Hylton, Pulitzer
Prize-winning Journalist and Author
6:30 PM — 8:00 PM Special Event
Traditional Building Gala Reception - Enjoy cocktails and hors d'oeuvres with your colleagues
overlooking the Reading Terminal in the PA Convention Center.
2:00 PM — 5:15 PM Workshops (pre -selection required)
W12TT19 Slate Roof Assemblies
W13HOI Classical Architecture& American House Wes/The Architecture of the Classical Interior
W14PPS Restoring Multiple Masonry Systems Simultaneously: The Union League of Philadelphia
WI5NR4 Green Building in Precision Valley Brownfields
W16(P11 The Architecture of Historic Tax Credits
2:30 PM — 3:30 PM
RP4 Understanding Mid -Century Precast Concrete through a Philadelphia Icon
TT11 Wooden Shutters 101: History and Application
PP4 Restoration and Adaptive Reuse: Church of the Advocate (90 minutes)
5:30 PM -6:45 PM Plenary Panel Discussion
CP13 Reviving Tmditional Communities:Penpectives on Success- John Norqulst, president, Congress
for the New Urbanism; Roberta Brandies Gratz, author, The living Cfry;and Peter H. Miller, president,
Restore Media, LLC, moderator
6:45 PM Special Event
NEW! Traditional Building Historic Pub Crawl (pre -selection required)
1:00 PM -4:15 PM Workshops (pre -selection required)
W177I1 Get Your House Right: How to Avoid Common Mistakes in Today's Traditional Architecture
W18TTIS The Vintage Earn Frame
W19TT25 Oil Gilding for Architecture: Preparation is the Key
W20 TT20 Stained Glass Conservation: Philosophy, Documentation, Problems, and Solutions
2:30 PM — 3:30 PM
TT12 Traditional Porches: Modem Repairs
RP3 Toudng the Boyd Theater. Philadelphia's last Movie Palace
AR4 Homespun to High Style: Early American Furnishings and Fabrics
CP10 The Re -introduction of Lost Building Elements
PP15 Mold: The New Asbestos
f o r m o r e i n f o r m a t i o n
call 309.788.6311 or visit
www.iIIinois-history.gov/ps/upperstory.htm
Join us for an intensive 2 -day workshop
examining the adaptive reuse of
upper floors in downtown commercial
buildings. Learn how to redevelop your
vacant space from nationally recognized
experts. This in-depth conference is
designed for building owners,
contractors, architects, code
officials, preservationists, and
downtown professionals.
presented by the:
Illinois Historic Preservation Agency
I l i n o i s M a i n S t r e e t
Renaissance Rock Island
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The space is there.
It has utilities.
It has infrastructure.
It has a central location.
It has visibility. ;
It is in your midst.
look
rock island illinois april 7 and 8 2005
thursday, april 7th UPSTAIRS DOWNTOWN
8-10:00am Registration
Sheraton Four Points Hotel, Rock Island 226 17th St. Rock Island
10:00am Welcome -Mayor Mark Schwiebert
10:30am Introduction and Building Assessment
Historic preservation is a method of changing and improving buildings while
keeping their history and character intact. Mike Jackson, FAIA, is the
Chief Architect of the Preservation Services Division of the Illinois Historic
Preservation Agency. He will be able to use his years of experience in historic
preservation to showcase how both preservation and development goals are
being successfully integrated into upper story building projects across the state.
Noon Lieutenant Governor Pat Quinn (invited)
Lunch will be provided
1:00pm Building Codes & Life Safety
Building renovation isthe regulatory trigger mechanism for making changes "to
bring the building up to code." A new generation of building codes make it
easier to balance the relative merits of alterations with regard to safety,
construction efficiency and historic preservation. Marilyn Kaplan, is a
practicing architect in Albany, New York, and has been at the forefront of the
development of state, national and international rehab -based building codes.
She will bring her experience and insight into this critical area of the architectural
development process, with a focus on the buildings of Main Street.
2:00pm Accessibility Code
Universal accessibility has become an integral part of the planning and
development of the built environment. Both federal and state laws regulate this
issue, and affect the way we build. Frank Heitzman, AIA, is on Oak Park
architect who has been a leading advocate for accessibility design and historic
preservation. Frank was directly involved in the development of the historic
preservation chapters of the Illinois Accessibility Code. His presentation will
cover the regulatory basis for accessibility as well as some of the creative
technical alternates for building renovation.
3:00pm Questions and break
3:30pm Energy Conservation
Energy efficiency improvements are an integral part of any building renovation.
Dr. Brian Deal is a professor of Architecture and Urban Planning and the
director of the Smart Energy Design Assistance Center, which is a part of the
University of Illinois Building Research Council. He will be able to illustrate how
energy efficiency can be integrated into building renovation, with a special
emphasis on small commercial buildings.
5:30-7:00pm Guided tour of Rock Island /Upstairs Downtown tour
7:00pm Reception with Question & Answers
friday, april 8th UPSTAIRS DOWNTOWN
8:00am Continental Breakfast
9:00am Feasibility Studies & Pro -Forma
Downtown revitalization in Rock Island has been especially successful in putting
upper floors back to use as housing - for all income levels. New condos or
workforce housing are equal parts of the mix, requiring a variety of different
financial tools to "make the numbers work." Mike Jackson will discuss
feasibility studies and Dan Carmody will talk Pro -Formas. Dan Carmody is
the President of Renaissance Rock Island, which has been instrumental in this
effort. In addition to his local work, he is active with Illinois Main Street and is a
national board member of the International Downtown Association.
10:00am Community Incentives
The City of Rock Island has a downtown TIF district to assist in community
revitalization. Alan Carmen is the Planning and Redevelopment
Adminstrator for the City of Rock Island, which has created special incentives to
encourage redevelopment of vacant upper stories. Details of the Rock Island
program will be presented, as well as similar programs in other Illinois
communities.
11:00am Tax Incentives
Tax -related incentives can play an important role in financing building
rehabilitations. Carol J. Dyson, AIA, is an architect with the Illinois Historic
Preservation Agency and has worked with both federal, state, income-tax and
property -tax incentives. She will discuss the benefits and requirements of both
historic preservation and accessibility incentives and how they have been
successfully used for upper story rehabs. Steve Arbuthnot of National City
Bank has worked with historic tax credit projects large and small. He will discuss
financial aspects of tax credits and their integration into a sound financing plan.
Noon Lunch on your own
1:30pm Building Management
Real estate development is both a capital and an operational venture.
John Versypt is a real estate management professional with a great deal of
perspective regarding the day to day practices for successful real estate
management. Finding and keeping good tenants, keeping up with the
maintenance, and having a positive attitude are all part of the equation.
2:00pm Case Studies
Illinois upper -story case studies showcasing a variety of uses, budgets and
programs for the typical Main Street building will be reviewed. Anna
Margaret Borntrager works for the Illinois Historic Preservation Agency
within the Illinois Main Street Program specializing in upper -floor
redevelopment.
3:00-3:30pm Conclusion
UPSTAIRS DOWNTOWN TOUR
Experience firsthand Rock Island's
dynamic upper -floor rehab
renaissance. Tour seven
successful upper -floor downtown
projects including lofts, condos
and apartments. Follow up with a
question and answer session and
reception at the Rocket Cinema,
220 19th St.
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All events will be held at the Sheraton Four Points Hotel,
22617th St, just off of Illinois Route 92 in downtown Rock Island.
Room rate for conference is $69 plus tax. Hotel reservations must be
made by March 6, 2005. Mention UPSTAIRS DOWNTOWN
Conference to get rate. Phone 309.794.1212.
UPSTAIRS DOWNTOWN
is presented by the: Illinois Historic Preservation Agency
Illinois Main Street, and Renaissance Rock Island
Pre -registration is required. Payment must accompany registration
form. Registration includes lunch on the 7th, breaks, reception, and
conference materials.
deadline for registration is march 30, 2005.
Please type or print.
name:
organization:
address:
city:
work phone:
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Submit a separate form for each registrant:
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registration fees:
$75 for Illinois Main Street Community residents
$150 for all other communities
$50 for students
total fees remitted: check number:
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for more information call 309.788.6311 or
visit www.illinois-history.gov/ps/upperstory.htm
Lynn A. Patrick, President
February 18, 2005
South Bend and St. Joseph County
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
227 WEST JEFFERSON BLVD.
SOUTH BEND, IN 46601-1830
Dear Commissioners,
Phone: 574-235-9798 Fax: 574-235-9578
e-mail: historic@michiana.org
A Certified Local Government Catherine D. Hostetler, Director
Please be advised that a petition to revoke landmark status at 68286 Miami will be discussed at the
February 28, 2005 Historic Preservation Commission meeting. In spite of the best efforts of Joann and
Don Sporleder and Julie Schutte at a February 17 meeting with Wendy, the office received faxed
notification from their Attorney that they wish to pursue having the Landmark Status revoked. I have
attached the fax and Cheryl Green's memo on the landmark revocation process for your reference. The
staff report on the February 17, 2005 meeting is in your meeting packets. Please read these over carefully.
We should also consider meeting prior to February 28 to discuss this issue.
Sincerely,
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Catherine D. Hostetler,
Director
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Martha Choitz (Vice President) John H. Oxian (Treasurer) Diane Wrobel-Illes
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Bremen, IN 46506
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February 18, 2005
Ms. Catherine D. Hostetler, Director
Historic Preservation Commission
227 West Jefferson Blvd
South Bend, IN 46601-1830 By Facsimile and U.S. Mail
Re: Petition to Revoke Landmark Status
68286 Miami Road, Bremen, Indiana
Dear Ms. Hostetler:
I met with Wendy Roeder on February 17, 2005 after she had an opportunity to
meet with Ms. Sporleder and Julie Schutte. Mrs. Roeder said both women were very
cordial and helpful and that she appreciated the meeting.
In our discussion later, however, Ms Roeder expressed an interest in petitioning
the Historic Preservation Commission to revoke the designation of her property as an
historical landmark: this property's address is 68286 Miami Road, Bremen, Indiana, but
as you know the property is located in St. Joseph County. Accordingly, please consider
this letter to serve as a formal request and petition to start that process as outlined in
your letter to her dated February 15, 2005.
Please let me know if Ms. Roeder's petition will be placed on the agenda as new
business at the upcoming Commission meeting on February 28, 2005. Your response
can be communicated by either telephone, letter or fax at the numbers referenced
above.
Ms. Catherine D. Hostetler, Director
Historic Preservation Commission
221 West Jefferson Blvd
South Bend, IN 46601-1830
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February 18, 2005
I thank you for your attention to this matter,
concerns, please do not hesitate to give me a call
other commission members soon.
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cc: Wendy Roeder
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Sincerel
Philip E. Hesch
Attorney at Law
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LEGAL DEPARTMENT
INTEROFFICE MEMORANDUM
TO: John Oxian, Rhonda Saunders
Department of Historic Preservation
FROM: Cheryl A. Greene, Assistant City Attorney
DATE: March 15, 2001
RE: Petition to Rescind Landmark Designation
14297 S.R. 23, St. Joseph County, Indiana
This memo is in response to your request for an opinion concerning the process for
rescinding landmark status and the appeal process related to same.
I. Process for Revoking Landmark Designation
Under Municipal Code § 21-117.2(d), the Historic Preservation Commission
("Commission") has the implied authority to revoke, alter or amend its designation of a
landmark. In the instant case, the property owner has presented the Commission with a Petition
to Rescind the Landmark Designation ("Petition"). Initially, the Legal Department incorrectly
advised the Commission that the Petition should be presented as a Certificate of Appropriateness.
However, upon further review, legal counsel determined that revocation of landmark
designation is treated in the same manner as the origination of a landmark designation.
Accordingly, the property owner should be given the opportunity to present its Petition to the
Commission under New Business as soon as possible.
As stated above, the procedure for revoking landmark designation is the same as the
procedure for designating a new landmark:
1. The Commission recommends the revocation, alteration or amendment of
the landmark designation; and
2. The Commission's recommendation is sent to either the Common Council
or the County Council (hereinafter the "Council"), as appropriate; and
3. The landmark designation is revoked, altered or amended by the Council
through the passage of an ordinance. The submission and passage of a revocation
ordinance to the Council includes the requirement for a public hearing.
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II. Factors Relevant to the Commission's Recommendation
The Commission makes the initial decision whether to revoke, alter or amend landmark
designation using the Commission's best judgment and expertise. The factors which are
applicable to the Commission's original decision to impose landmark status are also applicable
to any subsequent decision by the Commission to revoke, alter or modify landmark designation.
Those factors include:
(1) character, interest or value as part of the development, heritage or culture
of the City, County, State or United States;
(2) embodiment of elements of architectural design, detail, material, or
craftsmanship which represents an architectural characteristic or
innovation;
(3) educational value;
(4) suitability for preservation;
(5) location as a site of significant historical interest; and
(6) identification with the life of a person(s) of historical significance.
The Commission may also wish to consider whether the original structure has been
altered so substantially as to destroy its architectural and historical integrity since the original
landmark designation or whether the current property owner had notice of or consented to the
original landmark designation since there is some past precedent for consideration of these
factors.
If a majority of the Commissioners support the Petition to revoke landmark designation,
then all procedures that were used to initiate the landmark designation must be followed; i.e.
public hearing before the Commission, landmark revocation ordinance, submission of revocation
ordinance to the Council, public hearing at the Council level, etc.
In the alternative, if, in the exercise of their judgment and expert opinion, a majority of
the Commissioners determine that the circumstances do not warrant a revocation of the landmark
designation, then the Commission is stronely advised to make a clear record of its findines. This
means that the Commission should clearly summarize for the record the specific reasons for its
decision. The Commission's decision to deny the Petition and to not revoke said landmark
designation may be appealed by the property owner to the Common Council or County Council,
as appropriate.
III. Appeal to Common Council or County Council
A party wishing to appeal an adverse decision of the Commission should take the
following steps:
1. In the case of an appeal the Common Council, the appeal is initiated by a letter to
the City Clerk for the City of South Bend. In the case of an appeal to the County
Council, the appeal is initiated by a notice to the County Council. The Petition is then
placed on the agenda as a special business item.
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2. At the scheduled meeting of the Council, the matter would be heard de novo.
This means that no findings of the Commission would be binding on the Council and all
matters would be subject for examination at the hearing.
3. At the hearing, the Petitioner would be permitted to present her case as to why the
decision of the Commission is either: (a) arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion or
not in accordance with applicable law; (b) contrary to constitutional right, power,
privilege or immunity; (c) in excess of statutory jurisdiction; (d) without observance of
procedure required by applicable law or (e) unsupported by substantial evidence.
4. The Commission would be represented at the hearing either by the staff or
members of the Commission who would present the Commission's case stating the
reasons in support the Commission's actions, i.e. the Commission's decision not to
revoke landmark designation. A more detailed description of the hearing procedure of
the Common Council is attached for your review. I am not aware of any formal
procedures set by the County Council, but I would presume that the procedure would be
comparable to that of the Common Council.
Either party may appeal an adverse decision of the Council. Indiana Code § 34-13-6-1, et
seq. applies to appeals from action of municipalities. I do not find a comparable provision in the
Code for appealing the action of counties; however, I would presume that the procedures are
similar. The appeal is commenced by filing a complaint in the circuit of superior court of the
county in which the property is located within thirty (30) days of the action or decision
complained of. The contents of the complaint and other procedural matters are set forth in the
statute.
In the event that the Commission is the appellant, a city attorney would be prevented
from representing the Commission in an action against the Common Council. Therefore, the
Commission would have to determine whether to employ outside counsel to represent it in the
event that the Commission lost the appeal to the Common Council. It is questionable whether a
city attorney should represent the Commission in an action against the County.
After you have had the opportunity to review this memorandum, please contact me with
any questions or concerns.
cc: Members of the Historic Preservation Commission
Thomas Bodnar
Aladean DeRose
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THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
OF SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
MONTHLY MEETING
February 28, 2005 7`h Floor, County -City Building
South Bend, IN
MEMBERS PRESENT: Lynn Patrick, John Oxian, Mary Jane Chase,
Diane Wrobel-Illes, Joann Sporleder, Catherine
Hostetler
MEMBERS ABSENT: Gerald Ujdak, Martha Choitz
STAFF PRESENT: Catherine Hostetler, Director
Julie Schutte, Assistant Director
Cheryl Greene, City Attorney
STAFF ABSENT: John Livingston, City Attorney
ALSO PRESENT: Philip Hesch, (attorney), Don Sporleder
I. CALLED MEETING TO ORDER
LYNN PATRICK: Called the meeting to order at 7:34 pm with a Roll Call
I would like to ask for a motion to amend the agenda for the following item; to include
under the landmark section, after the staff report, the first reading landmark revocations
petition for 68286 Miami Road, the George Seifer farm house.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: So moved.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes. Joann Sporleder opposes the
motion. John Oxian abstains.
II. PUBLIC HEARING
A. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
1. 2005-0116(b); 1069 Riverside Drive
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: (See staff report and pictures attached to C of A). The
homeowner, Christopher Hartz was not present. (He could be reached by phone if the
commission needed to ask any questions).
JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion that the staff recommendation be approved for
application 2005-0116(b).
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion.
JOHN OXIAN: Amends his earlier motion to include that they can either put in what is
there now or go back to a single pane window.
The motion passes unanimously.
B. LANDMARK — Follow-up on 68286 Miami Mr. and Mrs. Roeder
Landmark letters: 414 N. Ironwood and St Pauls Lutheran Church
Cemetery on New Road
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: There is a copy of the follow-up staff report in your
meeting packets regarding the property located at 68286 Miami. Mr. and Mrs. Roeder
met with Joann Sporleder, Don Sporleder, and Julie Schutte. The meeting was held on
February 17`h.
JULIE SCHUTTE: We met with the Roeders to discuss the possibility of an addition to
the back of the house to fulfill the desires of the owners to have a larger kitchen and first
floor bathroom and still be able to retain as much of the form and structural elements of
the historic house as possible. Joann Sporleder and Don Sporleder came up with the
reasonable solution to create an addition off one of the rear gabled wings of the house by
marking and using that space as an entry way/utility room or mud room/bathroom. This
type of addition would be feasible with the roof line structure and it would not take as
many two story structural walls; whereas, the previous addition recommendation or
proposal would have done so.
JOANN SPORLEDER: As Julie stated, what we were trying to specifically do was to
avoid the unnecessary large intrusion of the original structure; particularly in the north
gable where it was proposed to remove a barring wall in order to gain another three feet
in the bathroom; which they really didn't want there anyway. I thought the meeting was
really quite nice; but, she was very much in a hurry to make another appointment so that
we could pursue anything else she might have wanted to talk about.
JULIE SCHUTTE: She did mention that she would speak with her architect/contractor
about the proposal.
LYNN PATRICK: This is the first reading of the landmark revocation petition. This
letter was received by fax and by mail from Philip E. Hesch, Attorney At Law, who
operates at 201 East Plymouth Street, Bremen, Indiana. This letter was sent to Mrs.
Catherine Hostetler, director of Historic Preservation Commission. The letter is in
reference to a petition to revoke landmark status for 68286 Miami Road, Bremen,
Indiana. Lynn Patrick then verbally read the letter sent by Mr. Philip E. Hesch to
commission members. (See copy of letter in meeting packet).
I would also like to remind the petitioners and the commissioners that we only need to
accept the petition into the record by motion. This course regarding this petition will
appear at the March meeting. I would also like to remind the Roeders and their attorney
that first reading is a formality, an announcement of petition; public comments will be
heard during second reading of said petition at the March 2151 meeting. They will
certainly be allowed to speak during the hearing of visitors; but, no action will be taken
until March. Further, I spoke with the attorney prior to this meeting and he expressed
concern that even though he considers this a formal petition and we are noting it as such;
we feel that this is an incomplete petition in that no reasons are given and attorney, Mr.
Hesch, has advised us that he plans to submit further documentation prior to our next
meeting. Furthermore, he has questions regarding the process by which this property
became a land mark status. He is going to get with our director, Catherine Hostetler, over
the next few days and she shall provide him with documentation so he can decide how he
wishes to proceed.
CHERYL GREENE: I just wanted to also remind the commission that they have dealt
with similar issues in the past and the procedure for the revocation of a land mark is
comparable to the same procedure that you follow when you designate something as a
landmark; it is essential in reverse. You would make a recommendation one way or
another to revoke or alter or amend the landmark designation based upon the petition that
is presented to you. Your recommendation then gets sent to the county council in this
particular case and then the council would then take an action to either amend the original
land mark designation, or revoke it, or alter it in some manner by their passage of an
ordinance.
Those factors must be considered when you are making your recommendation, which are
not in the record at this point, and the petitioner has requested the opportunity to come
back at a later point to present information to you; however, you are limited to the
following factors:
1. The character, interest, or value as part of the development, heritage, or culture of
the city, county, state, or the nation.
2. The embodiment of elements of architectural design, detail, material, or
craftsmanship which represents an architectural characteristic or innovation.
3. The educational value of the property.
4. The suitability for preservation.
5. The location of the site of significance with historic interests.
6. The identification with the life of a person of historical significance.
I have talked to Mrs. Hostetler, and president, Ms. Lynn Patrick, prior to the meeting and
this information will be provided to Mr. Hesch so that he can prepare his petition more
properly for your consideration.
JOHN OMAN: The only person that is in this room that was down there to make the
presentation to make this a land mark was me. I am the one who talked with the owner
originally, I am the one who sent the letter, and I am the one who worked with the person
who asked that this house be made into a land mark. So, whatever you are going to
present here is only what you think happened. The only person who was there and made
the presentation before the council was me. So whatever Mr. Hesch comes up with or
whatever you other commission members come up with is all hearsay; because, none of
you were there. This idea of revoked land marking only happened once back in 1976
when a man on Gumwood Road did not listen to the commission's request that he not put
a porch on the front of his house to make it look like a southern plantation style house
instead of a federal style house. Because we revoked the land marking of that house,
which at that time we were a new commission and we were just learning the game and
everything else, we lost the farm, all the acreage, a barn, and several out buildings, and
the man still hates me to this day. That is the only one we ever revoked, and that was in
the county.
CHERYL GREENE: I just wanted to remind the commission that what you are doing
tonight is simply accepting the petition. There will be a later point in time at which
evidence will be presented for the commission's consideration. I have advised the
commission that when you are looking at the action that you propose to take, remember
that you work in a closed universe as much as courts do, and you look at what is
presented in front of you, and you are limited within the scope of your purview in order
to make your determination. This is just for your ad vocation for your next couple of
meetings.
JOANN SPORLEDER: In outlining those areas of significance, I presume; because, I
vaguely remember this originally, that all of those areas were in fact documented on
paper before the original designation was made. So, I presume that somewhere along the
line someone in authority to do so would need to go look at the property again to see if all
the original criteria are still in place or if something significant has happened to change
the liability of its original designation as a land mark.
CHERYL GREENE: What has been presented to you by way of petition is essentially
saying that those factors that led to the original land marking should have either changed
as such that it requires or for warrants a revocation of the landmark designation; or that
the landmark designation as it stands now should be amended or modified in some
manner. You do have the factors from the original designation; but, you would also have
to make a determination based upon the current state of the property. Whether you
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choose to wait until you have received the complete petition and the evidence that the
petitioner intends to present to you, or if you wish to make a field trip on your own prior
to that point in time; that is entirely within your scope of authority.
JOHN OXIAN: But, you don't have to fulfill every one of those requirements.
CHERYL GREENE: No, it really comes down to a matter of looking at all of those
factors. Some of those factors may not apply; just as when you designate something as a
landmark in the first place it may not apply to that particular property. What you're
looking at is whether or not the original structure has been altered so substantially or so
significantly as to undermine that original designation that you put on that property in the
first place. Again you're working in a closed universe because while the record from the
original designation holds that landmark designation; the fact is the reason that you're
being asked to consider the petition is because the petitioner's position is that those
factors have now changed.
PHILIP HESCH: The other thing I did want to say was; Wendy really appreciated
meeting you out there and I think she is kind of conflicted on what to do and that's why
we filed this petition. I would think it would be helpful if I can talk to you about your
ideas. It is a blur to her what happened on that day. She didn't really remember a whole
lot about what you would accept and what you wouldn't accept from the original petition.
I think what would be helpful is if I could get a copy of the original landmark statute and
then maybe meet with you, Joann, if you wouldn't mind doing so. I really hate to go
forward with a revocation of this, if there were a way she could work something out so
that she could add onto her house and still be able to make the commission happy as well
as herself.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We did send out landmark letters to 414 North Ironwood
and to St. Pauls Lutheran Cemetery on New Road. They called and requested
information about land marking statute for cemeteries. We sent out the information and
we will wait and see what happens.
LYNN PATRICK: Do we have copies of those letters in our meeting packet?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: No, you do not.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Is this for a private Lutheran cemetery; or just cemeteries in
general?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: No, this is for St. Pauls Lutheran Cemetery.
III. REGULAR BUSINESS
A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES — (October, 2004 and January, 2005)
JOANN SPORLEDER: I will make a motion that the minutes for October 2004 be
approved.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously. John Oxian
abstains.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I will make a motion that the minutes for January 2005 be
approved.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously. John Oxian
abstains.
B. TREASURER'S REPORT
JOHN OXIAN: I looked at January's treasury report and there were hardly any
expenses made. Everything equaled out right. The way the report is set up now, and I
worked with Catherine on this, the report comes out at the end of February and by the
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time the report comes out and we have our meeting on the third Monday of the month it
ends up being a little behind. So, what I was thinking about doing was if everything
looks fine then I'll just say so; because I read the whole thing. If something doesn't look
right then I will get in touch with Catherine and if we need to take action on it, then I'll
make a presentation on it.
Joann Sporleder asked how long the report is and where it comes from. Catherine
Hostetler briefly informed the commission how and when the treasurer's report is made
up and who makes it up in the auditor's office. Joann Sporleder then asked if there was
anyway the treasurer's report could be consolidated down to a one page report so that the
rest of the commission could look it over and see where the commission is financially.
John stated that he would figure out a way to consolidate the treasurer's report so that the
rest of the commission could look the report over as well.
C. COMMITTEE REPORTS
1. President's report
LYNN PATRICK: I have nothing to report that wasn't already on the agenda.
2. South Hold Awards Committee
Approval of Breakfast Expense
There is a copy of the Moms Performing Arts Center for the South Hold Awards
breakfast pamphlet in your meeting packet. Every item is listed and broken down
individually and the total is $2,610.00 dollars. By charging a fee of ten dollars per person
we will substantially reduce what we're paying out of pocket for this. We will still be
paying $610.00 dollars unless we wish to increase the cost. We could recover all of our
costs for $13.05; however, I think $10.00 per person would be better. There is also a
possibility down the road that we might be able to recoup some of our cost. Since there
is enough space there in the banquet hall; we have discussed having local venders and
contractors whose products and services are consistent with HPC set up some displays.
We should have some more information on that at our next commission meeting.
I move that we accept this as presented and that Catherine be allowed to contract to this
in the amount given of $2,610.00 dollars.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
Meeting date for speaker selection and awards
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We did receive some information from the National
Trust. They informed us that there is not just going to be a preservation week this year;
but, instead the whole month of May is going to be a preservation month. So this is
going to be a month long event.
LYNN PATRICK: We will have a meeting this Friday at 5:00 pm. at the Historic
Preservation Office to discuss this matter further. I plan to attend the meeting, Catherine
plans to attend the meeting and anyone else who wants to come is welcome to come. I
would also like to limit that meeting to a half hour.
3. Standards and Maintenance
344 Sunnyside, East Wayne LHD
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: That was the meeting that was held over at the Miller's
house on a very cold chilly afternoon. Before they engaged their architect they wanted to
meet with the Standards and Maintenance Committee and with staff to see what they
could do as far as adding on to their home; because, they lived in the East Wayne Street
district and they had a corner lot. We were able to come up with some general ideas for
them to pursue. Joann and Don Sporleder were both there which was very much
appreciated. The Millers are going to proceed and get an architect and they will probably
be presenting us with some ideas.
D. STAFF REPORTS
1. C of A Approvals; Correspondence
A. 2005-01116a) 1069 Riverside Drive
JULIE SCHUTTE: (See the staff report attached to C of A in meeting packet). The
owners also want to add an air conditioner in their third story. The electrical ducting
would be placed along the side of the house. There is already mechanical ducting in this
location. The Preservation Plan notes that staff has authority to approve such mechanical
devices if they are not viewed from the public right -of -away.
B. Erskine Golf Course: Commission approached by Grass
Roots
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We have been approached, (see orange and white insert
papers in meeting packet), by the Grass Roots that is still being quarter backed by
Suzanne Hinnefeld. I have enclosed a copy also of the petition in case you are so
inclined to go out there with their petitioning. We have received another update from her
today in which she says that they have collected two hundred and fifty-three signatures so
far. They have organized into groups that you have probably run into already downstairs,
if you were down there. They are trying to mobilize the troops in order to get this golf
course preserved. They have not approached the commission directly and requested a
land marking or national register status.
JOHN OXIAN: Did you check on the national register to see if the main building/club
house is on it?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: It is not on there.
JOHN OXIAN: Wasn't a request or petition sent down to have it put on the national
register?
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: It may have been considered, but the paperwork wasn't
completed and it wasn't done.
John Oxian stated the reason why he was asking was because when South Hold had their
breakfast there everybody thought the petition had already been sent down to the
National Register. He also stated that he did not know if the commission had done it or if
South Hold had sent the petition down to have it put on the National Register. Catherine
Hostetler said that she would check on it and let him know if the petition had been sent
down to the National Register; and if so who sent it.
C. Director's Report: Office Status Report, Portage Prairie
Developments, Granger Pathways
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We are going to be administering four grants this year.
It is going to be mostly entailing the city survey, the county addendum, the publication of
the two things, and also the Narvarre Cabin that was sponsored by the Center for History.
We also posted the survey intern openings at the charette that we were at on Friday. I
gave those to Mr. Stamper. We have some extra ones here, Don, if you want to take
some back with you. We need the interns. They are paid this time around, so it's not an
all volunteer group. Portage Prairie has turned out to be a much larger project then was
originally presented to us by Frank Perri and Holladay Corp. When I spoke to him, I
reminded him that when he spoke it was just about the Waggoner Farms, I said there was
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nothing that was land marked on it(Waggoner Farm) and nothing that was land marked
historically about the landscape or anything like that. Now this project of yours has
expanded up to about a thousand acres; and we both know that it's not anywhere near that
at this particular point. I also reminded him of the landmarked cemetery and the
Ehmnger Farm; which is at least two hundred and twenty-five acres. I said those are land
marked and you can't interfere with them. But, still when Holladay shows these spaces,
they still show them as being developed all the way up to the state line. So we are going
to have to keep an eye on that. We are working with Councilman Przybysz who has that
area. We are putting the people that are involved in this project; that are neighbors who
don't particularly care for this in touch with preservationists and also with people that are
skilled in determining endangered species on that property.
The people from Granger and from Granger Pathways stopped by the office.
Cheryl Greene informed the commission that Granger Pathways have gotten preliminary
approval for a transportation grant and they are doing the preliminary research to see how
much right-of-way they would need so that they can figure out how much funding the
grant would actually be for; and then they would make the decision on the grant.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We are working with them as they progress. They know
us and we know them. We also know when their meetings are and we will be able to
give them some assistance there.
D. Assistant Director's Report: Chapin Park Area Plan
Hearing, Leeper Bridge Lights permit.
JULIE SCHUTTE: At the area plan commission meeting there were about I would say
twenty people in favor of the Local Historic Preservation District and there were only
four who were against it. Two of the remonstrators are married. Despite the
overwhelming majority of those in favor the area plan commission sent down" no
recommendation" regarding the district to the common council. The vote was six to two
in favor of sending it down with a favorable recommendation; but, that was not the
majority of the area plan commission, it sunk, so that recommendation could not be sent
unfortunately. So the common council meeting will be held on Monday the 14`h. We
have been in contact with Jim Reilman of INDOT. He said that there have been some
delays in the funding for the Leeper Bridge restoration. He believes that the federal
government should be releasing the funding and they should be able to go ahead with
that. They are going ahead with the bidding for replication of the historic lights. The
letter I sent to him regarding the color for the commission's recommendation; is in your
meeting packet.
JOANN SPORLEDER: In addition to the style and color of the lights do, we know how
bright they are going to be? I have been in a couple of places where they have put in
historical looking lights and they just about blind you because they're so bad. I would
like to suggest that in addition to the historical characteristic of the lamp posts that they
look carefully at the quality of the light being given so that it is appropriate for the
historic structure.
JULIE SCHUTTE: I do believe we have some information on the proper intensity and
light coloration for the lights
2. LEGAL
(Nothing to report at this time)
IV. OLD BUSINESS
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1. Palais Royal Signage: 2. Cornelius O'Brien Conference Report
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: You have in your packets the Palais Royal decision from
David Duvall and our good friend in the building department, Chuck. They are waiting
for a recommendation so that we can get this to Mr. Andres so that he knows what he can
or cannot do. We have also included the report from Mary Jane for the Cornelius
O'Brien Conference that was omitted from the last two monthly meeting minutes. (See
green copy in meeting packet).
V. NEW BUSINESS
1. Historic Pipe Organ Survey or Study: 2. Commission Assistant Contract
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: We have a request to see if we would think a historic
pipe organ survey or study should be done in the area.
Joann Sporleder briefly described to commission members what happened at an opening
pipe organ concert that she attended at Norte Dame. She said that several people that
were there, who were knowledgeable about pipe organs, stated that it was too bad a lot of
really good pipe organs, which are mostly in churches, are being pulled out and not being
used because of the cost involved in maintaining them. She suggested that we somehow
pursue at least getting an inventory of the pipe organs that are in the city and possibly the
county that are still in good working condition.
JOHN OXIAN: The best thing to do to get this started is to send a letter to every church
of a certain time period and ask them if they have a pipe organ. Give them history about
it and let them know that we are doing a survey. Then later when you have an idea of
which churches are going to respond; you can then go back and see the amount of work it
will take to get this done. That way you will find out which churches are willing to give
you information and which ones are not willing to give you information. If they are
really interested in their pipe organs, then they will really appreciate who mentioned it to
them. If they are not interested in their pipe organs then they're not going to say anything
to you. If you want to go and look at their pipe organ they may not even allow you to
come in and look at it; because you're dealing with the inside of a building. I think the
first thing you should do is send a form letter to every church and see if they have a pipe
organ and if they would like to give you the history about it. That way you have a basis
to start with and then later you can go back and do the work.
LYNN PATRICK: I think that sounds like a great idea; however, there are professors
out at Norte Dame that are teaching and using pipe organs. Before we go and do a
broadcast letter to those churches why don't we first make a couple of calls to the
professors that are at Norte Dame and ask them what information they have on this.
They may already have this information or at least be able to give us a list of the top ones.
We could also compromise and have Catherine and Julie talk this over and develop what
they think is a good approach and get back with us by our next meeting before they start
to spend a lot of man hours on something.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: The last thing I have under new business is the
Commission Assist Contract for $3,250.00 from HLFI. The two hundred and fifty dollars
was tacked on because we didn't pay for the Blue Vinyl presentation last year that we
committed to and co-sponsored. The services that they are willing to provide for this sum
of $3,250.00 are the works shops, and the consultative services, etc. We just need to
know if the commission will approve this or not. She suggested that an executive
committee meeting be set up with Bob Yapp to go over the contract with HLFI.
CHERYL GREENE: What you would want to do is have your legal council involved
with any contract negotiations and provide direction as to what the commission exactly
would like. What type of services would you like this organization to provide to you and
with the dollar amount that they have put into this contract I think you have the right to
ask them on what is that fee based and also ask for an itemized accounting. Again, I look
at this as an agreement that has been presented to you and this is only the open dialogue.
You should negotiate whatever terms are most favorable to you and whether or not you
need all of these services or whether you need less. I mean it is entirely what the
commission's preference is. If you set a price do you want to then provide the
opportunity for a renewal for the following year without having to renegotiate an
agreement with a agreed upon increase in that contract. Another way you can look at
things is do you want to break things down so that there is an incentive to either reduce
costs for the commission or to provide the additional services for which they ought to get
an amount. As legal council I would say to you this just opens your discussion and that
before you go to agree on a contract you certainly ought to have in your own mind how
much you want to budget towards something like this and what type of services you
want. You can then provide your legal council with the authority to negotiate favorable
terms.
Commission members decide to wait until their legal council, Mr. Livingston, came back
from his trip before they set up a date to meet with HLFI and Bob Yapp to go over the
terms of the proposed contract.
VI. HEARING OF VISITORS
Don Sporleder mentioned that the commission should act quickly to include an underpass
for the Leeper Park Bridge for a bike trail. On March 1" there is going to be a meeting in
Elkhart about the St. Joseph Valley River Trail. There will also be a charette in June
about Northern Indiana Greenways.
VII. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS
Leeper Park/George Kessler in upcoming HLFI newsletter
LYNN PATRICK: I would also like to inform you that the commission is invited for
coffee and light refreshments at Tippecanoe Restaurant on Thursday, March 10, between
the hours of 5-6:30 pm. We hope to meet with members of the school board corporation.
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
JOHN OXIAN: I move that we adjourn the meeting.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and it passes unanimously.
Meeting ended at 9:13 pm.
Historic Preservation Commission
Minutes: February 28`h, 2005
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