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Regular Meeting ~ 7th Floor — County -City Building
Monday, May 20, 2002 7:30 PM
I. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL
II. PUBLIC HEARING
A. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS
1. 2002-0416; 1636 Lincolnway West, replace service doors.
2. 2002-0425; 1012 Riverside Drive; landscape paving & fence.
3. 2002-0513; 1430 East Wayne Street; repave drive, walk, &
patio/basketball court; relocate hedge and fence; landscape.
4. 2002-0514; 304 South Twyckenham Drive; relocate wire
fence and hedge.
5. 2002-0516-1(a); 337 West North Shore Drive; air
conditioner.
6. 2002-0516-2; 209 North Shore Drive; remove gable
windows, install vents.
III. REGULAR BUSINESS
A. Minutes
B. Treasurer's Report
C. STAFF REPORTS:
1. C. of A. Approvals
2. Inspector's Report, Warren Township, German Township
3. Legal Report
D. CORRESPONDENCE
1.
Richard Morrison
2.
David Thornton
3.
Rhonda Saunders
4.
River Park Neighborhood Association
IV. HEARING OF VISITORS
V. ANNOUNCEMENTS and MISCELLANEOUS MATTERS
VI. ADJOURNMENT
STAFF REPORT
CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A
CERTIFIATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
Application Number: 2002-0416
Property Location: 1636 Lincolnway West, South Bend
Property Owner: Ethel Anderson
Landmark or District Designation: Local Landmark
Rating: S-12
STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT
This 5 -story Gothic Revival brewery, built in 1905 by the South Bend Brewing
Association is very familiar to this Commission, and is more fully described in the attached
description.
RECOMMENDATION
(1) The South Bend Police Department has recently published recommendations for building
safety, which include replacing all wood doors with steel doors. The HPC believes that this
suggestion may be valid, where it applies to a modern hollow service door. However, where the
door in question is an original or historically correct solid wood door, fitted with a good deadbolt
that reaches beyond the doorframe into the wall, such a door is actually as safe or safer than
almost any replacement door, including steel replacement doors. In general, Staff would not
recommend replacing original solid wood doors. However, the doors Ms. Anderson proposes to
replace are on the sides, and not the front face of the building, and do appear to be decayed.
Some may actually have been already replaced. Staff recommends approval, provided that
surrounding elements of the doorways, including opening size and shape and brickwork,
are preserved.
(2) Ms. Anderson's proposed tenants have not given her exact specifications as to the awning
they want. She would like to accommodate them, as the building could use the income. There
are some historic buildings of similar age that have, or have had, awnings.
Staff recommends that the commission specify what type and style of awning would be
appropriate, and approve such an awning. Staff further recommends the following
conditions:
(a) No "bubble" or half -round shaped awning;
(b) Either a Dutch -slope shape or a straight shape (such as at the LaSalle Grille) may be
used;
(c) Separate awnings over doors and windows;
(d) Consistent awnings over all the openings in the front face of the. building;
(e) All signs painted on the front of the building (i.e., tattoo parlor) be removed with a
method non -damaging to the brick.
(f) The Standards & Maintenance Committee must approve the attachment method for
the proposed awnings, to be sure they do not damage the brick.
Application
-for-
., Certs- iicate ofAppropriateness
¢ Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County
227 Wed Jeffi=scu Blvd - South Rend IN 46601-1830
Phohe: 219-233-9798 V.-= 219«,2.33 4578 a -mail: historrtci Ma
A Certified Local Government
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Plat Reviews: ❑ YEs Gaetaor�wtrRsrmro
Staff Approval autbarized by:
Historic Commission Review Dae,.:
❑ Local Lanam.rk
❑ Natimw ReVMW Diarw air
❑ Local =&$*Vic District or-"
Certiticate or Appropri.teaess:
❑ ponied
Application Number_ 2000-
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❑ National 7 --dmark
❑ TabW ❑ Soot To Commlttao
❑ Apploved and Issued 2Q
Address of Property for proposed work:
Citi, A%iG , os owner's Yhon 1'do:�
Name/of Property owners):�rRnvr� / > �' jjKY,I' - j
Address of Property owner
Contractor(s) Name.'-
Contract Company Name:_, ,,
Contractor Address: City -
Contractor's Phone No: rte,
Current Use of Building-
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Type, of Building Construction: V'
Proposed Work: ❑ Inkiad ❑ Landscape ❑ New LJ Repltteemeati5••+�-+z••c►
l..wre w,. a!!! ecae �.ae aroretrua/ ❑
Demolition
Description of Proposed Work: 7I�i
Owner/Contractor: 1xat: e-mail:
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APPLICAT,yox RRQUMZMENTS ARE LLSTED ON BEVE%2SE SIDE.
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STAFF REPORT
CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A
CERTIFIATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
Application . Number: 2002-0417
Property Location: 1012 Riverside Drive, South Bend
Property Owner: Gabrielle Robinson & Mike Keen
Landmark or District Designation: Local Historic District — Riverside Drive
National Registry Historic District — Chapin Park
Rating: Significant -11
STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT
In 1919 attorney Frank Gilmer purchased lot 10 of Wetzstein's Riverside Heights
Addition, and in 1920 built this Romantic Period revival -style home. It is one of six houses
between the Riverside Drive White Oak stand, and Shetterly Park. It overlooks the river to the
Northeast, and faces Shetterly Park.
Former residents include Helen and Leslie Morehouse, from 1927 to 1937 (Mr.
Morehouse was the editor of the South Bend Tribune); Mr. and Mrs. Duncan O'Coner, from
1937 to 1957 (during which period Mr. O'Coner was superintendent at South Bend lathe); Mr.
and Mrs. Lester E. Menzie, from 1957 to 1973; Kenneth Grant from 1973 to 1999; Allen and
Arleen (?) Howard, from 1999, presumably until sale to the present owners.
RECOMMENDATION
A The proposed 8 -foot long, 6 -foot high privacy fence is as un -obnoxious as a privacy
fence can be, and it does not extend beyond the building setback. However, it is still not
historically appropriate, and, more importantly, it would impact upon the neighbors' ability
to walk around their garage, and possibly to maintain their garage. Staff cannot
recommend approval of the fence.
B The steps between the upper and lower terraces, as described in the Application, are
well planned, historically appropriate, and will enhance the property. Staff
recommends approval.
Application
- for -
Certificate of Appropriateness
Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County
227 West Jefferson Blvd - South Bend IN 46601-1830
Phone: 219-235-9798 Fax: 219-235-9578 e-mail: historic@michiana.org
A Certified Local Government
OFFICE USE ONLY>»»>DO NOT COMPLETE ANY ENTRIES CONTAINED IN THIS BOX«««OFFICE USE ONLY
Date Received eP245Y7-Z :y—,/7 20 _ Application Number. 20(gR- O 15//7
Past Reviews: ❑ YES (ruTEOFL,STREVIEIM ❑ NO
Staff Approval authorized by:
Title:
Historic Commission Review Date:
❑ Local Landmark ❑ National Landmark
❑ National Register District N—):
Local Historic District (N—.):
Certificate of Appropriateness:
❑ Denied ❑ Tabled
❑ Approved and issued
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❑ Sent To Committee
Address of Property for proposed work: Iv 1) R I ue$4 �A,A .bl-u
Sven N1eaber and Srw Naw
City: 5c,. -d\ Owner's Phone No: ).Y3-4) 5 r1
Name of Property OWner(S):(PRINn 6W1 �- ICF �A) ilu"I GAps EI lE tCA1t\1,rP)
Address of Property Owner: I o U- DOIE `ru--T11, IkP,D W yl -.t(6
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Contractor(s) Name: "C u.,w I ( A'e'",u r: n Pro �,Jk G 'J
Contract Company Name: � 4 v.p (( (.ones k' k 2ud
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Contractor Address: 27-399 lac-f'n,,, t R, t City: —L11- n i,>-1,10
Contractor's Phone No: J71,1,71ct� Ids ircvZy��"' °
Current Use of Building: ;&".,L, yti,�I
(SLWleFamily-Ho/G-F"dy-Co nodal-Go—mew -Industrial- Vacant -tic.
Type of Building Construction: 5{v«a
(Wood Frame -Brick - St�on(e-Stsd - Corrode- Othe )
Proposed Work: ❑ Inkind El Landscape [J New ❑ Replacement(natin-kid)
(more than one box may be clucked)
❑ Demolition ''II
Description of Proposed Work: Q
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Owner/Contractor: Fa:: e-mail:
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Signature of Owner Signature of Contractor
APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS ARE LISTED ON REVERSE SIDE.
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Request for Certificate of Appropriateness
South Bend Historic Preservation Commission
1012 Riverside Drive
We would like to request a Certificate of Appropriateness for the following
improvements to our home at 1012 Riverside Drive:
A. We wish to construct an approximately 8 foot long, 72 -inch high privacy
fence between our garage and the neighbor's garage. The fence will be made
of wood and stained white. It will be constructed by Schuell Fence using their
Villager 11 style. Given its location, the fence will not be visible from the
street. We plan to place it so it will not get in the way of the neighbors'
ability to get in and out of their cares. In addition, the gate will open inwards
onto our property. The finished side of the fence will face outwards. The
fence will provide additional security needed because there are a couple of
easily accessible basement windows just inside its intended location. The
white stain will match the white trim of the house.
B. We would also like to construct a set of brick steps connecting the upper back
terrace, which is accessible through the kitchen, to the lower back terrace,
currently only accessible by going around the front of the house and down the
front steps, or through the basement. We intend to construct these steps using
street pavers similar to those used for the terraces. These steps will not be
visible from the front of the house. In fact, they will not be visible from any
location except from the back of our own property.
Submitted by Mike Keen and Gabrielle Robinson (owners)
1012 Riverside Drive, South Bend
233-4257
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Riverside Drive
South Bend, IN 46601
GREG BALLEW
LANDSCAPE DESIGN
CONSTRUCTION & NIAINTENANCE
609 RIVERSIDE DRIVE
SOUTH BEND IN 46601
Landscape Estimate
Estimate to build steps from existing upper patio to existing lower patio at back of house using
treated landscape timbers and street paving bricks.
Landscape timbers 4x6"
Street paving bricks
Steel r -rods
Construction sand 2 yds.
Materials total
Labor to build steps
Labor to raise and level existing patio
Total
240' @ $2.00 $ 480.00
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STAFF REPORT
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CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A
CERTIFIATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
Application Number: 2002-0513
Property Location: 1430 East Wayne Street, South Bend
Property Owner: Nancy Ickler & Gary M. Hamberg
Landmark or District Designation: Local Historic District — East Wayne Street
Rating: Contributing -10
STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT
H. Russell Stapp, architect, designed and built this house for Whitcomb & Keller in 1929.
Nora and Ernest Kizer purchased it in 1932. Mr. Kizer was secretary -treasurer for the Gafill Oil
Company at the time. Winfred Sparks, a manager for JC Penny, came to South Bend in 1937, and
purchased this home from the Kizers in 1939. In 1955, he sold it to Dr. Charles & Audrey Baran.
In 1959, the Barans sold to Dorothy (Wiedlin) and Thomas R. Grimes, of Chicago. Mr. Grimes was
a product manager for Uniroyal for 37 years. He died in 1982, and Mrs., Grimes in 1986, leaving
the house to their son, Thomas Grimes Jr. He sold to the present owners in 1987.
RECOMMENDATION
1. The proposed new garage doors appear to be almost identical to the existing (except for the
muntons down the middle of each existing pane. Staff recommends approval.
2. Driveway widening. Page 39 of the Wayne Street District Guidebook, under "Required"
states "Dominant land contours shall be retained." Under "Prohibited" on the same page, it states
"Front yard areas shall not be transformed into parking areas, nor paved nor blacktopped." The
existing driveway is adequate for accessing the garage; widing it would only give more parking
space. Staff recommends that this part of the application be denied.
3. Repave area between driveway, front walk, and service door. Staff recommends
approval.
4. Remove cement slab and adjacent overgrown brick area in back yard, and repave with
16x24 -foot patio, having a border of stamped concrete looking like brick, around the perimeter, and
a basketball hoop at the end furthest from the house. Staff recommends approval, conditional
upon the previous paving material being removed, pursuant to good construction practices.
5. Repour curbs. This is an in-kind renovation, and should be approved.
6. Move existing hedge back from the corner of the yard and driveway, and replace the
existing wire fence with a similar style. This proposal is motivated by safety concerns for entering
Twyckenham from the driveway. Staff recommends approval.
7. Other landscaping, to be designed by a local landscape designer. Staff understands that the
landscaping in view involves adding or moving flora, and not removing any trees or shrubbery.
Staff recommends approval.
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Application
for -
Certficate of Appropriateness
Historic Preservation Commission of South Bend & St. Joseph County
227 West Jefferson Blvd - South Bend IN 46601-1830
Phone: 219-235-9798 Fax: 219-235-9578 e-mail: historic@niichiana.org
A Certified Local Government
OFFICE USE ONLY>»»>DO NOT COMPLETE ANY ENTRIES CONTAINED IN THIS nOX<<<<<<OFFICE 1ISEONLY
Date Received
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Put Reviews:, ❑ YES (wrsaFLAvssnsw
Staff Approval authorized by.
Historic Commission Review Date:
❑ Local Landmark
❑ National Register District pt— 0
❑ Local Hbtoric District p&.w:
Certificate of Appropriateness:
❑ Denied
❑ Approved and issued
Address of Property for proposed work:
AppiicatIon Number. 2000 -
NO
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❑ National Landmark
❑ Tabled 11 Sent To Committee
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Contractor(s) Name:
Contract Company Name:
Contractor Address: i h SAX i C>Q Ll :�-
Contractor's Phone No: '!r 3& —7) q74
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STAFF REPORT
CONCERNING APPLICATION FOR A
CERTIFIATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
Application Number: 2002-0514
Property Location: 304 South Twyckenham Drive, South Bend
Property Owner: George Otto Snook & Nancy Duffy -Snook
Landmark or District Designation: Local Historic District — East Wayne Street
Rating: Contributing -10
STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT
H. Russell Stapp, architect, designed and built this Colonial Revival style house for
Whitcomb & Keller in 1929. The first tenants were Norman & Helen Booth, co-owners of
mar -main Pharmacy. From 1932 to 1939, several families rented or owned this house for
brief periods. In 1939, Mary and Louis Sandoz bought the house, and lived there until 1961.
They then sold it to Margaret & John Farquhar, who in turn sold it to Kathleen and John
Killeen in 1975. The lot includes one half a vacated alley running parallel to Wayne Street.
RECOMMENDATION
The proposed new fence line, as drawn in the application, will be almost totally concealed by
the existing hedge. Staff recommends approval, contingent upon the fence being
removed if or when the hedge is ever removed or ceases to conceal the fence.
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THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
OF SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
MONTHLY MEETING
MAY 20, 2002
MEMBERS PRESENT:
MEMBERS ABSENT:
MINUTES
7'' Floor, Commissioner's Conference Room
County -City Building, South Bend, IN.
John Oxian, President, Catherine Hostetler, Vice -
President, Martha Choitz, Joann Sporleder
Gerald Ujdak, Secretary, Mary Jane Chase
STAFF PRESENT: Karen Hammond -Nash, Director, Thomas
Bodnar, City Attorney, Wayne Doolittle,
Inspector
ALSO PRESENT:
I.
CALL TO ORDER
JOHN OXIAN: Called the meeting to order at 7:35.
II. PUBLIC HEARING
A. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS
1. 2002-0416; 1636 Lincolnway West, South Bend, Indiana
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: Was filed April 16, 2002, by one Mrs. Ethel Anderson. I
do not see Mrs. Ethel Anderson here and I haven't seen her come in. Does the Chair
wish to proceed with this first, or drop it to the bottom of the calendar and take the people
who are here first?
JOHN OXIAN: I would like to drop it to the bottom of the calendar and if she doesn't
show up, than I would like to tabled it until next month.
2. 2002-0417; 1012 Riverside Drive, South Bend, Indiana
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KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: Was filed April 17, 2002. The property is located at
1012 Riverside Drive. These applicants are here. Does the Chair wish me to waive the
history? Proceeding straight to the recommendation. First the proposed eight foot long
and six foot high privacy fence; while it does not extend beyond the property set -back
and is as un -obnoxious as a privacy fence can be; it still is not the kind of fence that
historically would have been found near this sort of building. More importantly, it could
impact upon a neighbor's ability to walk around the garage or possibly to maintain a
garage. Staff therefore is reluctantly unable to recommend approval of the fence.
Second matter is a system of steps between the upper and lower terraces behind the
house. I have enclosed the details from the application with the packets given to the
Commission. These steps appear to be well planned, historically appropriate, and will
enhance the property. Staff recommends approval of the landscaping as applied for.
JOHN OXIAN: I will divide this up into two parts.
MIKE KEEN: What we want to do is put together a privacy fence. Our property is
running right along the neighbor's property; and when we sit in our back patio; the
neighbors' car is basically parked practically on our property when they open their door.
The door opens onto our property when they get out of their car. They step onto our
property. This has never been a problem for either one of us; because, we work together
and we understand that; and they also understand that this is something that wouldn't
have been allowed. These houses this close together encourage only codes. But, that's
not a problem for either one of us. But, we did want to have some privacy between the
two and that's why were asking for this kind of fence. If there is some other kind of
fence; we can get some advice from the commission and you the staff for other
recommendations we would be happy to receive that advice. Our neighbors have told us
that they have no problem with the fence. We have discussed the fence with them. We
need to get a letter and bring that in; if that's the reason to tip the staff into
recommending for the fence. The neighbors have no problem with the fence so we can
document that.
Discussion was held as to where and what type of privacy fence should be installed in
this area between Mr. Keen's house and his neighbor's house.
JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion that a five foot high Villager -2- Fence be installed
in the location as proposed in the C. of A.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I seconded the motion
KAREN-HAMMOND NASH: Did you also want to include the approval for the steps
between the terraces with this motion?
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JOHN OXIAN: No, I am going to make that a separate motion; because, you're
recommending against one and you are in favor of one. So, that is why I am dividing it
up. Any other discussion? If not, those in favor say aye. Those against say nay.
The motion carried unanimously.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Did your motion include the address and the application
number?
JOHN OXIAN: No, I better put that in there. It is application 2002-0417. The address is
1012 Riverside Drive.
JOHN OXIAN: Now we are going to go to part two.
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: The diagrams for the terrace and steps and the list of the
materials are included. Specifications are for brick matching the existing brick and
reinforced by the same type of reinforcements as in the existing terrace work. I move,
that we accept application number 2002-0417 part B as recommended by staff.
I seconded that motion.
JOHN OXIAN: Ok, those in favor say aye. Those against say nay. The motion carries
unanimously.
3. 2002-0513; 1430 East Wayne Street, South Bend, Indiana
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: Was filed May 13, 2002. This actually was thirteen days
beyond what attempted to be the deadline. But, it was a sizeable job, and next month's
agenda would be full; I am hopeful that the commission will be willing to consider it.
There are seven items on this application they are as follows:
1. New Garage Doors
The proposed new garage doors appear to be almost identical to the existing
ones, except for the muntons down the middle of each existing pane, everything except
the muntons is replicated in the proposed new doors. Staff recommends approval.
2. Driveway widening.
Want to widen the driveway from approximately 8 feet to approximately 16
feet. Regarding this matter, page 39 of the Wayne Street District Guidebook, under
"Required" states "Dominant land contours shall be retained." Under "Prohibited" on the
same page, it states "Front yard areas shall not be transformed into parking areas, nor
paved nor blacktopped." The existing driveway is adequate for accessing the garage;
widing it would only give more parking space. Therefore, staff recommends that this part
of the application be denied.
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3. To repave the area between the driveway, front walk, and service door.
There is a photo attached that shows the small area. It's presently paved with
brick. The proposal is to repave it with concrete stamped in a brick pattern. Staff
recommends approval of the application to repave and staff has no opinion as to whether
the brick pattern needs to be retained or whether it could simply be plain concrete.
4. Remove cement slab and adjacent overgrown brick area in backyard.
Repave a 16x24 -foot patio area that will have a border of stamped concrete that
looks like brick around the perimeter. Install a basketball hoop at the furthest end
of the house. This would have little or no visual impact from the street. Staff
recommends approval, conditional upon the previous paving material being removed.
Pursuant to good construction practices before the new paving material is installed.
5. Repouring curbs.
I understand this to be an in-kind renovation, and recommend approval.
6. Move an existing hedge.
The hedge is to be moved back from the corner of the yard and driveway, and
replace the existing wire fence with a similar style fence in the new location. Hence,
reinforces the hedge. This proposal was motivated by safety concerns to entering
Twyckenham from the driveway. Staff recommends approval.
7. Other landscaping.
The homeowners propose to hire a local landscape designer to design and
install other landscaping. Staff understands that the plans in view would involve adding
or moving flora; but, would not involve removing any significant trees or shrubbery.
Therefore, staff recommends approval.
Discussion was held by staff in regards to the pictures that were taken of the bushes at the
above stated property.
JOHN OXIAN: What we will do is take each one of these one at a time.
NANCY ICKLER: I have a couple of amendment off of what Karen says.
JOHN OXIAN: Before you speak I want you to give your name and address. That is the
way we are going to do it from now on.
NANCY ICKLER: My address is 1430 East Wayne Street.
JOHN OXIAN: We will go to number one now. Are these permanent muntons in your
door?
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NANCY ICKLER: You know what they are is just panes that are rectangular shape.
They indicated, to my recollection that Kovacs says that they can have it made the same
way. But, I am not sure whether they are going to have separate panes or whether they
will just have square panes divided by muntons down the middle. You can see that they
sorta drew in their brochure in one of the pictures how it was going to look.
JOHN OXIAN: The only difference they're showing in the picture here is that it's on the
second level floor and over here it's on the first floor.
NANCY ICKLER: Exactly, so their going to move the windows up to the top row. I
guess these are all essentially made to order anyway. So I will move the windows up to
the top row so it will look like our present garage doors. You can also see they drew
dividers down there and I just don't really remember. We talked to them last year
whether they were talking about just munton bars going down there or whether they were
talking about separate panes.
JOHN OXIAN: I think it is the extra muton in between.
NANCY ICKLER: It certainly may well be. Apparently this is the Sunnymede District
Style of garage door according to the people at Kovacs. This is the preferred door that is
installed in our neighborhood. They also live in our neighborhood; not in the historic
district, but close by.
JOHN OXIAN: Does anyone have any questions on this?
JOANN SPORLEDER: I think that looks fine; however, John, it replicates a verticality
of the windows.
JOHN OXIAN: Ok, going to number two on the driveway widening. Anyone have any
questions?
JOANN SPORLEDER: The current driveway is concrete. This is an odd question to
ask; but, is the direction the driveway is running is north and south?
NANCY ICKLER: No, it runs east and west. Because, actually we live on a East Wayne
address; but, it faces Twyckenham. What we originally wanted to do have a circulatory
drive in that side yard; so that it would be possible to back out of the drive like this and
then drive around and head nose out on to Twyckenham. We have an eighteen year old
and a fourteen year old so we just feel safer with children coming out straight onto
Twyckenham; but, here it indicated that would be too much of a deviation from the
feeling of that side yard and so we thought if we could widen the driveway slightly. I
think it is a matter of opinion whether that driveway is wide enough to get in and out of;
because, there is a big kind of ditch; if you look in the pictures there where people have
gone of that side of the driveway about a hundred fifty times trying to negotiate it and it
is full of water and it looks bad.
JOANN SPORLEDER: The ditch is in the parkway or is that in the driveway?
NANCY ICKLER: No, it is in our yard. It's not a testimonial to my excellent driving.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Well, I was out and looked at the whole thing, and with the
recommendation in front of me; and I think that a bigger driveway is needed; it's going to
improve the way you can use it and the way it looks. It would have always been;
therefore, to clearance out the sixteen feet so that you could get into low places.
NANCY ICKLER: You mean right in front of the garage or where it hits the street?
MARTHA CHOITZ: It's slightly wider in the parkway.
NANCY ICKLER: Right, we had that repoured a few years ago because it was badly
deteriorated.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Are you wanting to repour that one yet again
NANCY ICKLER: No, we wouldn't. We had that part of the driveway poured alittle bit
wider so that our driveway would be wider at that point.
JOHN OXIAN: In other words your going from eight foot to sixteen foot.
NANCY ICKLER: I am not sure I should have measured it to make sure it is eight foot.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Are you going to make it the same width as the flare.
NANCY ICKLER: I think it is alittle bit wider than the flare.
MARTHA CHOITZ: No, she means by the garage.
NANCY ICKLER: Oh, by the garage no it's the same width as that.
MARTHA CHOITZ: So it would be parallel straight out from the garage
JOHN OXIAN: Is that what your saying is that you are making it parallel straight out
from the garage.
NANCY ICKLER: I think it will end up being alittle bit wider than that lip. But, I don't
think that will be a problem.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Should we approve the adding of the width at this point in front of
the garage.
JOANN SPORLEDER: It would be nice if we could have a little sketch of the grounds.
So that if we approve it we would approve it in such a way so that it reflects exactly what
we just said. Parallel straight out from the perpendicular to side parallel.
JOHN OXIAN: Wait a minute Joann, Wayne has seen it let's hear what Wayne thinks.
How wide do you think it is Wayne?
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: I think it is wider than eight feet. I took photographs of it. I
think its far wider than eight feet.
MARTHA CHOITZ: I think it is too
JOHN OXIAN: Yes, because it comes almost to part of this garage right here.
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: It flares out with room to get down the driveway and get in
directly. I am not sure it needs to be doubled in size. I didn't have any trouble getting
out of the driveway myself. Whether it needs to be doubled in size I am sure I cant't say;
because, your not really dealing with a turn -around situation.
Are you going to tear up the existing driveway or just add on to it.
NANCY ICKLER: No, we are going to take up the driveway. It is badly cracked up.
JOHN OXIAN: What I would recommend is that for this one; I would not deny it; but, I
would recommend is that Wayne go out there with you and you do a drawing for us and
tell us how much of a width you want on this driveway, and also how close that is going
to be to the removal of those bushes or anything else over there. Because, before I vote
for this I would really like to know. I drive down Wayne street alot and I have no
problems there. But, the thing I want to see is a better drawing on what is going to be
done to this driveway; before, I make an approval.
NANCY ICKLER: Does that mean we can't start work on the driveway until the middle
of the summer.
JOHN OXIAN: No, it means that part would have to wait until June. Unless you want to
make a suggestion.
NANCY ICKLER: My suggestion is instead of having the inspecter reinspect it and
report it to the Standards and Maintenance Committee have him meet at the site instead.
JOHN OXIAN: That would be a good idea; because Martha is on that Committee and so
is Joann.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Unfortunately, I am going to be out of town for a fair amount of
time. I could be out there tomorrow.
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KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: Gerald Ujdak wouldn't be available.
JOHN OXIAN: No, Gerald is off the Committee.
JOHN OXIAN: Martha could you go see it tomorrow, Joann?
JOANN SPORLEDER: I. have kind of a full day tomorrow; but, maybe late in the day.
NANCY ICKLER: Do you all need to be there at the same time?
JOANN SPORLEDER: Yes, we really all should be there at the same time.
MARTHA CHOITZ: My other suggestion would have been was to simple say that the
width of the driveway should under no circumstances be wider than the combined width
of the two garage doors; because, I think that is the sense of what your trying to do.
NANCY ICKLER: Yes that's right.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Whatever those dirmentions are that's what your really reflecting.
I guess that I don't have any real problem with that. Just looking at the drawings it looks
close; but, not real close.
NANCY ICKLER: We are going to need to be alittle wider at the doors.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Well, because, at the doors it should probably be as wide as the
garage just for a esthetic purposes; but from then on I would think that there is no need
for it to be any wider than the two combined doors.
NANCY ICKLER: Sure, that would be fine.
JOHN OXIAN: So, are you going to be taking off a part of this bush here if you widen
it? Or this light fixture on this side? How close are you going to come to this light
fixture?
NANCY ICKLER: Yes, those bushes are going to have to come out. We are planning to
move them. We are going to move them back. The bushes are not very healthy; the
problem is that those are spirea and there is some other plants mixed in with them too.
JOHN OXIAN: You mean the ones on this side or the other side.
NANCY ICKLER: The one on the other side is just a huge juniper and it can get cut
back with no problem, it won't change anything.
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JOHN OXIAN: How about your light here?
NANCY ICKLER: Well, what we are going to do is keep the light. But, we have not
completely decided yet how we are going to do that. This light fixture is a very good
safety feature though.
JOHN OXIAN: Because, if you widen the driveway you will be coming right up next to
the light fixture so your going to have to move it back.
NANCY ICKLER: We will have to move the light fixture back. The problem with the
spirea is that it's so close to the driveway and to our sidewalk; because it goes all along
that Twykenham area. We have cut them back and when the spirea is cut back it then
begins to branch out where ever it has been cut back. They then get very thick and you
can not see the light through them and also the plant I am sure feels like it is under
constant siege; because it gets cutback two or three times in a season. But, if you just let
it grow the way it would naturally, it would grow along that area. It is just not a healthy
plant and the plant is old. So, I guess the question is can we move it back. Our
landscaper said that he thought we could; but, he was not sure. Our landscaper is more
confident than I am, he thinks that it can maybe be moved back and cut down and would
regenerate; other wise he would have to put in other plants. But, you can see from one of
those pictures that it is really dangerous backing out of that driveway and you can't see.
You can see car traffic; but, you can't see foot traffic and there are a lot of people that
walk along there. I am very concerned that with inexperienced drivers like our kids and
their friends that there is going to be an accident there; because, you can't see. So, that
hedge really does need to get moved back. I also think that widening the driveway would
have a helpful affect on the visibility.
JOANN SPORLEDER: What is the possibility of just cutting the bushes down to the
ground and letting them come up again and keeping them trimmed really short.
NANCY ICKLER: We could do that; but, that particular bush is not supposed to be
manicured like that. It is supposed to be big and kind of fuffly like bridalwreaths.
KAREN HAMMON-NASH: This particular landscaper is very good at moving bushes
and keeping them alive. I would expect that if they took Mrs. Ickler's money to move the
bushes to a new location; she would have bushes next year.
NANCY ICKLER: Hopefully, yes. For awhile our yard was looking like these bushes
were just people running around in camouflage; he moved them all over the place when
he was doing that. He did a project in our yard for the paper and put things all around
and he did a great job. He is very talented. But, he is not sure he cankeep them alive, he
thinks he can. He said it's kind of an older look in a plant, which is nice; because, it's
historic and it is beautiful when it is treated properly. It's just a beautiful plant. It's just
right now that I think if we don't do something soon it's on it's last leg
JOHN OXIAN: If you widen that driveway right now what I can see; I think that
driveway is wider than eight foot. That you are going to go over maybe another two feet
or a little over on either side maybe even two to three feet if you do that than you are
going to have to trim back the bushes to the right. You would have to put in the motion
that the light fixture is in a ostentatious location.
NANCY ICKLER: What we need to do is move it back over; but we would definitely
want to keep the light fixture.
JOH OXIAN: The other thing that I would also recommend; and I know this is going
into the other area; but, since your talking about the bushes for pedestrian walking; I
would say that if you took out the comer bushes or move them back you don't have to
take the whole fence row down if you go about five foot or ten foot you can almost tell if
anyone is walking down here by the time they get into this area any driver could see
them.
NANCY ICKLER: You could if you curved it around; but, the problem is that doesn't
address the fact that these bushes for their own health sake need to be moved back.
JOHN OXIAN: Well, what you would have to do whether you move it back or not; well,
in that area you would have to move them.
NANCY ICKLER: There we have to, so that's what we want to do is round it around
like that.
JOHN OXIAN: At least I would say, from five to ten foot would give you enough area
in which to see an individual walking down the sidewalk. This would be the safest.
Are there any other questions on this?
Are we going to go one by one here or what are we doing?
JOHN OXIAN: What do we want to do here go one by one
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
OF SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
MONTHLY MEETING
MAY 20, 2002
MEMBERS PRESENT:
MEMBERS ABSENT:
MINUTES
7'h Floor, Commissioner's Conference Room
County -City Building, South Bend, IN.
John Oxian, President, Catherine Hosteler, Vice -
President, Martha Choitz, Joann Sporleder
Gerald Ujdak, Secretary, Mary Jane Chase
STAFF PRESENT: Karen Hammond -Nash, Director, Thomas
Bodnar, City Attorney, Wayne Doolittle,
Inspector
ALSO PRESENT:
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JOHN OXIAN: Called the meeting to order at 7:35.
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A. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS
1. 2002-0416; 1636 Lincolnway West, South Bend, Indiana
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: Was filed April 16, 2002, by one Mrs. Ethel Anderson. I
do not see Mrs. Ethel Anderson here and I haven't seen her come in. Does the Chair
wish to proceed with this first, or drop it to the bottom of the calendar and take the people
who are here first?
JOHN OXIAN: I would like to drop it to the bottom of the calendar and if she doesn't
show up, than I would like to tabled it until next month.
2. 2002-0417; 1012 Riverside Drive, South Bend, Indiana
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: Was filed April 17, 2002. The property is located at
1012 Riverside Drive. These applicants are here. Does the Chair wish me to waive the
history? Proceeding straight to the recommendation. First the proposed eight foot long
and six foot high privacy fence; while it does not extend beyond the property set -back
and is as un -obnoxious as a privacy fence can be; it still is not the kind of fence that
historically would have been found near this sort of building. More importantly, it could
impact upon a neighbor's ability to walk around the garage or possibly to maintain a
garage. Staff therefore is reluctantly unable to recommend approval of the fence.
Second matter is a system of steps between the upper and lower terraces behind the
house. I have enclosed the details from the application with the packets given to the
Commission. These steps appear to be well planned, historically appropriate, and will
enhance the property. Staff recommends approval of the landscaping as applied for.
JOHN OXIAN: I will divide this up into two parts.
MIKE KEEN: What we want to do is put together a privacy fence. Our property is
running right along the neighbor's property; and when we sit in our back patio; the
neighbors' car is basically parked practically on our property when they open their door.
The door opens onto our property when they get out of their car. They step onto our
7
property. This has never been a problem for either one of us; because, we work together
and we understand that; and they also understand that this is something that wouldn't
have been allowed. These houses this close together encourage only codes. But, that's
not a problem for either one of us. But, we did want to have some privacy between the
two and that's why were asking for this kind of fence. If there is some other kind of
fence; we can get some advice from the commission and you the staff for other
recommendations we would be happy to receive that advice. Our neighbors have told us
that they have no problem with the fence. We have discussed the fence with them. We
need to get a letter and bring that in; if that's the reason to tip the staff into
recommending for the fence. The neighbors have no problem with the fence so we can
document that.
Discussion was held as to where and what type of privacy fence should be installed in
this area between Mr. Keen's house and his neighbor's house.
JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion that a five foot high Villager -2- Fence be installed
in the location as proposed in the C. of A.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I seconded the motion
KAREN-HAMMOND NASH: Did you also want to include the approval for the steps
between the terraces with this motion?
2 �
JOHN OXIAN: No, I am going to make that a separate motion; because, you're
recommending against one and you are in favor of one. So, that is why I am dividing it
up. Any other discussion? If not, those in favor say aye. Those against say nay.
The motion carried unanimously.
CATHERINE HOSTELER: Did your motion include the address and the application
number?
JOHN OXIAN: No, I better put that in there. It is application 2002-0417. The address is
1012 Riverside Drive.
JOHN OXIAN: Now we are going to go to part two.
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: The diagrams for the terrace and steps and the list of the
materials are included. Specifications are for brick matching the existing brick and
reinforced by the same type of reinforcements as in the existing terrace work.
05116/2002 03:42 FAX 2192331915 MAR -MAIN APARTMENTS
Memo to Karen Hammond -Wash
Director of the Historic Preservation Commission
May 16, 2002
Please read this in may absence from the meeting on May 20, 2002.
1 am submitting the annual treasure's report for approval as presented.
X also am submitting the monthly treasure's report for approval as
presentcd.
If there are any questions Karen will answer them or we can take them up
for discussion when I return.
Respectively
Mary Jane Chase
Treasurer
0 001 `
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SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY
RUN DATE 6/01/8002 r PACE 75
LOCATION BUDGET REPORT
.
REPORT DATE .4/30/2002
COUNTY GENERAL
0�01
37HIS0KIC PRESERVATION
UNENCUMBERED
UNEXPENDED
ACCOUNT NO
APPROPRIATION
ENCUMBRANCE
EXPENDITURE
BALANCE/PCT
BALANCE/PCT
11075
OOO ASST. DIRECTOR
23.70.00
0.00
7.295.30
16'414.64
16.414.04
GENERAL GUV7'
69.23
X
69.23
% '
11300
000 HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADMIN.
35,000.00
0.00
8,716'50
26,283'58
26.283'50
GENERAL GOV'T.
76 0
.
�
7G �
' '
%
10000 TOTAL
58.70'00
D,O0
16.011'86
42,698.14
42,608.14
72.73
%
72'73
%
21030
008 OFFICE SUPPLIES
5.741.46
18.30
774.92
4.948.24
4,966.54
GENERAL @0'T'
86'18
X
86.50
%
22010
000 GAS OIL & LUBRICANTS
1.00.00
0.00
0.00
1,000.00
1.000.00
GENERAL GOV'T.
100,00
%
100,00
%
2212000
GARAGE &MOTOR SUPPLIES
700.00
0.00
44.88
655.12
655'12
GENERAL GOV'T.
93'59
%
98.59
%
20000 TOTAL
7.441.46
18.30
8lA'80
6,6D3'36
6'021'66
'
88'74
%
88'08
%
3-=00 OTHER CONTRACTUAL SERVICES
40,I0.00
0'00
5.9I5.30
43.254'70
43,264'70
GENERAL GOV'T'
87'97
X
87.97
%
32820
000 TRAVEL
2.000.00
0.00
47.75
1.052.25
1.052,26
GENERAL GOV'T.
97.61
%
g797.61
%
3205000INSTRUCTION
& TRAINING
1.00.00
0.00
0.00
1.00.00
1,00.00
GENERAL GOV'T.
100.00
%
100.00
%
32200
000 TELEPHONE
2.160,00
0.00
0.00
2,160'00
2,160.00
GENERAL GOV'T.
00.08
x
100.00
t
32350
000 POSTAGE
2.000.00
0.00
106.72
1.893'28
1.893'28
GENERAL GOV'T.
94.66
%
94.66
%
33010
000 PUBLICATION OF LEGAL NOTICES
500.00
0.00
34'11
469'89
465'89
GENERAL GOV'T.
93'18
Z
93.18
*
33100000
PRINTING
22.4�.89
U.�
2.���
19,612.72
19.612.72GENE8AL
GOV'T. '
87.31
*
87.31
%
37100
000 AUTO LEASE
3.864.80
0.00
0.00
3.854.80
3.854.80
' GENERAL GUV'T,
100,00
x
100.00
%
D00 DUES & SUBSCRIPTION
1'600.00
0.00
121'90
1,378'10
1.378.10
ffl
"01 COUNTY GENERAL
LUU��07 HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ACCOUNT NO
39750 000 DATA PROCESSING
GENERAL G0/'T.
30000 TOTAL
4425000OFFICE MACHINES
GENERAL 8OV`T.
40000 TOTAL
LOCATION TOTAL
INVESTMENT ACCOUNTS
TRANSFER ACCOUNTS
SAINT JOSEPH COU
LOCATION BUDGET REPORT
RUN DATE 5/0/2002 PAGE 76
REPORT DATE 4/30/2002
UNEXPENDED
BALANCE/R3
4.064'OU
O9'28 %
80,635'74
89.83 %
833.00-
78.14- %
��00-
7O.l4' %
l29^022'64
82'25 %
UNENCUMBERED
APPROPRIATION
ENCUMBRANCE
EXPENDITURE
BALANCE/PCT
5,000.00
0,00
36.00
4,064,00
99.28
%
80.648.60
0.00
9,112.96
80.635.74
-
80.83
* .
1.066.00
112.00
1'899.00
945.00-
4S.O0'88.65'%
88.65-
%
I.066.00
112.00
1.898.00
945.00-
46.U0'88.B-t
88.65-
%
156,866.15
130.30
27,843.61
128.892'24
82'D
%
0.00
0.00
27'843.6l
UNEXPENDED
BALANCE/R3
4.064'OU
O9'28 %
80,635'74
89.83 %
833.00-
78.14- %
��00-
7O.l4' %
l29^022'64
82'25 %
'
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OUTSTANDING PURCHASE ORDERS 8YFUN0UOC8ACCT/OBJ/POASOF: 480/2002
'
01
COUNTY GENERAL
UN0-787 HISTORIC PRESERVATION
P.U. VENDOR P.O.
NUMBER NUMBER VENDOR NAME BUDGET CODE DATE AMOUNT
078574 000902 NARKING SOLUTIONS INC. 00 21030 00 037 12/06/2001 18.30
079533 006158 COMMERCIAL OFFICE 00I44260 000 037 2/14/2002 I12.00
FIN40X SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY CURRENT COMBINED LEDGER
RUN DATE: 6/01/2002
PAGE 164
FUND: 001 COUNTY GENERAL
FOR 1/01/2002THRU 030/2002 `0C, 037 HISTORIC PRESERVATION
EFFECTIVE TRAN TRAN
'
|!���ODE DATE MATE TYPE
AMOUNT OTHER DATA
001.02711.008'037 REIMBURSEMENTS
GENERAL GUV'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
001.02711,000.037 REIMBURSEMENTS
GENERAL EQV'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS
UNRECV REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE
EXPENDITURE
UNEXPENDED BAL
UNENCUMB BAL
CUR 0.00 0.00
0.00
0,00
TOT 28.396.00 0.00
28,396.00 0.00 0,00
0,00
0,00
0.00
00I.05600.000'037 REFUNDS
GENERALQOV'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
00I.06600'000.037 REFUNDS
GENERAL GOV'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS
UNRECV REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE
EXPENDITURE
UNEXPENDED BAL
UNENCUN8 BAL
CUR 0.00 0.00
0.00
0.00
T0[ 0.00 2.864.80
2.854'80' 0.00 O'OO
0.00
V'OO
O'OO
00I.06602.000.03 RETURN OKVOIDED
CHECKS ` CENEKAL80/'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
001'05602'000.037 RETURN OR VOIDED
CHECKS GENE0&QOV'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS
UNRECV REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE
EXPENDITURE
UNEXPENDED B&
UNENCUMB BAL
CUR 0.00 0.00
0.00
0'00
TOT 0.00 10.463.89
10,463.89' 0.00 0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00
001'06500'000'037 NON -IDENTIFIED REVENUE GENERAL GOV'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
001.06600'000.037 NON -IDENTIFIED REVENUE GEN[RALQOV'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS
UNRECV REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE
EXPENDITURE
UNEXPENDED BAL
UNENCUMB BAL
CUR 0,00 0.00
0.00
0.00
TOT 0.00 2.150.76
2.159.76' 0'00 O'OO
O'OO
U'UO
0.00
=00075.000.037 ASST. DIRECTOR G[NERALQOV'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
4/04/2002 4/04/02 CLH 911.92 PO#OOOOOD VEW#006528COUNJY PAYROLL
4/18/2002 4/18/02 CLH 911.92 PO#000000 VEN#005528C8UNTY PAYROLL
001.11075.000.037 ASST. DIRECTOR GENERAL GOV'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE
CUR 0.00 0,00 0.00
TOT 0,00 0.00 0.00 23^710.00 0,00
0K#008 CHK#790260 PyDst 4/05/2002
BK#008 CHK#791178 yyDst 4/19/2002
EXPENDITURE UNEXPENDED BAL
1.823.84
7,25'36 16,414.64
001.11309.000.037 HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADMIN. GENERALGOV'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
4/04/2002 4/04/02 CLM 639.60 PO#OODOOO VEW#005628COUNJY PAYROLL
001.11300'000.037 HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADMIN. GENERAL GOV'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE
CUR 0,00 0.00 0'00
TOT 0.00 0.00 8.00 35.000.00 0.00
UNEN0MB8AL
16.414.64
0K#008 CHK#790264 PyDst 4/05/2002
EXPENDITURE UNEXPENDED BAL
639'60
8.716.50 26.283.50
UNENCUMBRAL
26.283.50
001.21030.000,037 OFFICE SUPPLIES GENERAL GOV'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
4/30X2002 12/06/01PO/BAL 0'30 PO#0785740EN#000902 MARKING SOLUTIONS INC. Po -Balance
001'2100.000.037 OFFICE -SUPPLIES GENERAL GOV'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE EXPENDITURE UNEXPENDED BAL UNENCUHD BAL
CUR 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
TOT 0'00 0'00 O'DO 5.741.46 18.30 774.02 4,066.64 4.048.24
001.22010.000.037 GAS OIL & LUBRICANTS GENERAL G0/'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
0O1'22OlO.O0O.037GAS OIL & LUBRICANTS GENEKALGOV'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
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Tr| 0.00 0.00 O'UU 0'00
_ 0^00 0.00 0.00 1.000.00 0.00 0,00 1.000.00 1.000.00
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FlN40X SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY CURRENT COMBINED LEDGER RUN DATE: 5/01/2082 PAGE 165
FUND: OOl COUNTY GENERAL FOR 1A0/2002 THRU 4B0/2002 LDC: 037 HISTORIC PRESERVATION
EFFECTIVE TRAN TRAN
�N��UE DATEDATETYPE AMOUNT OTHER DATA
U8W�`l2O.0O0'O37 GARAGE & MOTOR SUPPLIES GENEKALC8V'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE EXPENDITURE UNEXPENDED BAL UNENCUMB BAL
CUR 0.00 0.00 0,00 0.80
TOT 0.00 0'00 0.00 700'00 O'DO 44.88 655'12 655.12
00I.31070,000'037 OTHER CONTRACTUAL SERVICES GENERAL GUV'T, HISTORIC PRESERVATION
4/11/2002 4/11/02CLM
1.30.00 RO#07020 .WAYNE 0K#0080K#791022DNWCONTRACT
4/11/2002 4/11/02CLM
18.30 RO#078820 .WAYNE 0K#008CHK#79022DNVWGAS
4/25/2002 4/26/02 CLH
830.00 PO#000000 VEN#000440DOOLITTUE,WAYWE BK#008CHK#791994
INV#
001'31070,000.037UTH[R CONTRACTUAL SERVICES GENERAL GOV'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV
REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE
EXPENDITURE
UNEXPENDED BAL
UNENCUMB BAL
CUR 0.00 0.8O
O,$O
2.158.30
TOT 0.00 0.00
0'00 40.170'00 0'00
5.915'30
43.254'70
43,254'70
001.32020.000.037 TRAVEL
GENE0AL8UV'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
001.32020.000.037 TRAVEL
G[NERALG&V'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV
REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE
EXPENDITURE
UNEXPENDED DN-
UNENCUMB BAL
CUR 0.00 0,00
0,00
0.00
TOT 0.00 0.00
O'OO 2.000.00 0.00
47'75
1.052'26
1,052.25
801.32060.000'037 INSTRUCTION & TRAINING
GENERAL [OV'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
001.32060'000'037 INSTRUCTION &TRAIN[NG
GENEKAL0UV'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTlKATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV
REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE
EXPENDITURE
UNEXPENDED BAL
UNENCUMB BAL
CUR 0.00 0.00
0.00
0.00
777- 0.00 0.00
0.00 I,000.80 0.00
0'00
1.000.00
1.000.00
001.32200.000'037 TELEPHONE
GENERAL GOV'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
4/30/2002 4/00/02 APP/ADJ
1,000.00 ORD 40'02
4/30/2002 4/00/02 APP/AUJ
1.000.00' ORD 40'02
001.32200^000.037 TELEPHONE
GENERAL GOV'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV
REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE
EXPENDITURE
UNEXPENDED BAL
UNENCUMB BAL
CUR 0,00 0.00
0.00
0.00
~
TOT O'UO 0'00
0'00 2',160.00 0'00
0'00
2,160'00
2,160.00
001.32360.000.037 POSTAGE
GENERAL G0V'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
801.32360.000'037 POSTAGE
GENERAL GOV'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV
REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE
EXPENDITURE
UNEXPENDED BAL
UNENCUMB BAL
CUR 0.00 O'DO
0,00
O'OO
TOT 0.00 0'00
0'80 2.000'80 0.00
106.72
1.803.28
1,803.28
001.33010.000,037 PUBLICATION OF LEGAL NOTICES GENEKALG0/'T, HISTORIC PRESERVATION
001.33010'000.037 PUBLICATION OF LEGAL NOTICES GENERAL GO/'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV
8[V BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE
EXPENDITURE
UNEXPENDED BAL
UNENCUMB BAL
CUR 0.00 0,00
0.00
0.00
TOT 0'00 O'OO
O'OO 500'00 0.00
34.1I
465.89
465'89
001.33108.000.037 PRINTING
GENERAL 8UV'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
001'33I00,000.037 PRINTING
GENERAL 6DV'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV
REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE
EXPENDITURE
UNEXPENDED BAL
UNENCUMB BAL
0.00 0,00
0,00
`. 0,00
0.00 0.00
0.00 22,463.89 0.00
2.851.17
19,612.72
19,612.72
001.33200.000.037 PHOTO & BLUEPRINTING GENERAL GOV'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
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FlN40X SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY CURRENT COMBINED LEDGER RUN DATE: 5/01/2002 PAGE 166
FUND: 001 COUNTY GENERAL FOR I/01/2002 THRU 4/30/2002 LOC: 037 HISTORIC PRESERVATION
EFFECTIVE TRAN TRAN
ODE DATE DATE TYPE AMOUNT OTHER DATA
0WW��200.000.037 PHOTO & BLUEPRINTING GENERAL GOV'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE EXPENDITURE UNEXPENDED BAL UNENCUN8 BAL
CUR 0.00 0.00, 0.00 0.00
TOT 0.00 0.00 0.00 O'DO 0.80 0.08 0.00 0.00
001.37100.000.037 AUTO LEASE G[NERAL{0V'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
001.37100.000.037 AUTO LEASE GENEKALGON'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV REV RAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE EXPENDITURE UNEXPENDED BAL UNENCUMB BAL
CUR 0.00 0.00 0'00 _ 0,00
TOT 0.00 0.00 0.00 3.854.80 0,00 0.00 3.854.80 3.854.80
801.39010,000.037 DUES & SUBSCRIPTION GENERAL GOV'T, HISTORIC PRESERVATION
001.30010-000.037 DUES & 3UDSCK[pTlUN GENEKAL8OV'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE EXPENDITURE UNEXPENDED BAL UNENCUMB BAL
CUR 0.00 0.00 O'UO 0.00
TOT 0.80 0,00 0'00 1,500'00 0'00 12I.90 1.378'10 1,378.10
001.39750.000.037 DATA PROCESSING GENERAL GOV'I HISTORIC PRESERVATION
001.30760,000.087 DATA PROCESSING- GENERAL {QV'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE EXPENDITURE UNEXPENDED BAL UNENCUM8 BAL
CUR 0.00 U'OO 0'00 0,00
001,44250.000'037 OFFICE MACHINES GENERAL GUV'T. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
4/30/2802 2/14/02 PO/BAL I12,00 PO#879533 VEN#OO6l5DCOMMERCIAL OFFICE Po -Balance
DmP-=50.000.037UFFICE MACHINES GEN8RALGOV'T' HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV` RECEIPTS UNRECV REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE EXPENDITURE UNEXPENDED BAL UNENCUM8 BAL
CUR 0,00 0.00 0.00 0.00
TOT 0.00 0.00 0.00 1,066.00 112.00 1,899.00 833.00- 945.00-
^ TOTALS FOR LOCATION: 037 HISTORIC PRESERVATION
ESTIMATED REV RECEIPTS UNRECV REV BAL APPROPRIATION ENCUMBRANCE EXPENDITURE UNEXPENDED BAL UNENCUMB BAL
CUR 0'00 0.00 1 1 0.00 4,621,74
TOT 28.396'00 24.478.46 3,917.56 156.866.15 10'30 27,843'61 129.022'54 '128.802'24
RICHARD& BETTY MORRISON
5740 HAWKINS CT.
SOUTH BEND, IN 46614
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION -
227 WEST jhp'tbxSON BLVD.
SOUTH BEND, IN 46601
A VARIETY OF THINGS HAVE CAUSED ME TO FIND IT
TIME TO SUBMIT MY RESIGNATION TO THE
COMMISSION. I HONOR THE NEED FOR A COMMUNITY
TO PAY ATTENTION TO ITS' HISTORY AS EVIDENCED IN
STRUCTURES AND NATURAL ENVIROMENT HOWEVER, I
CAN NOT ALINE MY THOUOGHTS, ON DECISION
MAKING, WORKING RELATIONSHIPS, AND STAFF
FUNCTIONS, WITH THOSE LONG IN PLACE HERE.
SINCE THE COMMUNITY SEEMS SATISFIED WITH THE
MANNER IN WHICH THE LONG STANDING MEMBERS
HAVE FULLFILED THIS NEEDED HISTORIC .
PRESERVATION FUNCTION, AND I HAVE NOT ADDED
NOR DETRACTED FROM THE PROCESS I HAVE DECIDED
TO TURN MY TIME AND FOCUS TO OTHER COMMUNITY
MATTERS.
PLEASE ACCEPT THIS AS MY RESIGNATION AS OF 4-18-
2002.
RICHARD P. MORRISON
10
ol mumm 5 0 0101
April 15, 2002
Historic Preservation Commission
John Oxian
227 W. Jefferson
South Bend IN 46601
Dear Commission Members,
Please accept this letter as my official resignation as Director of the Historic Preservation Com-
mission. I would like to thank you for all of your support during this difficult time and most of
all for the wonderful professional experiences and opportunities you afforded me. I appreciate
all you have done for me and will gladly assist the Commission and Staff during this transitional
period. I hold dear the time spent working for the Commission and wish all of you the very
best.
Yours Truly,
MW Uk
Rhonda Saunders
14.
David W. Thornton
620 East 4th Street
Mishawaka, IN 46544
April 26, 2002
John Oxian, President
Historic Preservation Commission of
South Bend and St. Joseph County
125 S. Lafayette Blvd.
South Bend, IN 46601
Dear Mr. Oxian:
I recently learned of the assistant director opening in the Historic Preservation Office.
Please accept my resume for consideration for this opportunity.
As my resume reflects, I have worked for Meridian Title Corp. for ten years, in various
capacities that all involved research and accuracy. Being recently downsized, I
accepted a position with St. Joseph County Assessor's Office. This position is
temporarily funded -through the property reassessment program currently underway in
St. Joseph County.
My greatest passion is history. I have a B.A. in history from Indiana University. I was
presented the History Book Award .by the faculty while attending I.U.S.B. My interest in
local history and the preservation of our past treasures has continued throughout my
life. I believe that -my background, interest and desire to learn more about the historic
preservation process would be beneficial to this position
Thank you for your consideration. I would like very much to meet with you and learn
more about this opportunity, and how I would be able to contribute. Please contact me
at home (574) 255-6894, or in the St: Joseph County Assessor's Office (574) 235-9523.
Sincerely,
w.T
David W. Thornton
David W. Thornton
620 East 4th Street
Mishawaka, Indiana 46544
(574) 255-6894
SKILLS AND EXPERIENCE
Research and Writing
• Research legal property history of St. Joseph and Elkhart Counties
• Assess county Recorder's Office activities, trace and track information
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• Examine property liens, judgements and causes that apply to property to
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WORK EXPERIENCE
Subdivision Researcher, Meridian Title Corporation, South Bend, Indiana, 1992 -
Present
Statement Processor, Associates Bancorp, Inc., South Bend, Indiana, 1985 -1992
EDUCATION
Indiana University South Bend, 1981
Bachelor of Arts In History
Cumulative GPA: 3.5
• Received Indiana University History Book Award for Academic Excellence in
Writing and Research
• Phi Alpha Theta - International Academic Honor Society
Dean's List, Indiana University South Bend
• National Dean's List
REFERENCES AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST
Dear Historic Preservation Commission Members, May 6, 2002
The River Park Neighborhood Association would like to request that
the buildings that include the addresses; .3021, 3023, 3025, 3027, and 3015,
3013, 30112 3007 on the North side, of Mishawaka Ave. be considered for
Local Landmark Status. The buildings on this block have beautiful, decorative
architecture that take you back to a simpler time in our history. They add to
the quaintness of Mishawaka Ave. and allow people in the community to
enjoy seeing older structures that were quite splendid in their day. These
buildings continue to be useful in our community and their appearance adds
some of our heritage to the area.
We believe that the buildings we are requesting Landmark Status for
have been a valuable part of the River Park Neighborhood's history. Different
businesses have been housed in these buildings over the years and their walls
hold many memories of people who did business here. The buildings continue
to be a part of the River Park business area and are currently being used for a
variety of businesses.
The River Park Neighborhood Association's motto is, "Proud .of the
past, focused on the future". We would like to keep some of the most
significant buildings in our neighborhood for future generations to enjoy and
these buildings are at the top of our list. We would appreciate the
consideration for Landmark Status by your Commission and will do whatever
you ask of us to make these buildings into Local Landmarks.
Thank you for all of the work you do in our community making certain
that our historical buildings remain standing and that they may retain their
original design whenever possible. What you are now and have been doing
for many years is important to all of us.
Sincerely,
Janet A. Maciulski
RepTres ntative of the River Park
Neighborhood Association
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
OF SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
MONTHLY MEETING
April 15, 2002
MEMBERS PRESENT:
MEMBERS ABSENT:
STAFF PRESENT:
MINUTES
7TH Floor, Commissioner's Conference Room
County -City Building, South Bend, IN
Joann Sporleder, Martha Choitz, Gerald Ujdak,
John Oxian, Mary Jane Chase,
Catherine Hostetler
Richard Helmus, Richard Morrison
Karen Hammond -Nash, Assistant Director,
Thomas Bodnar, City Attorney, Wayne Doolittle,
Inspector
ALSO PRESENT: Thomas J. Hudak, Jeff Berndt, Edward H.
Hinchcliffe, Greg & Elaine Mitchem, Lynn
Patrick, Leif Bouskill
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CALL TO ORDER
GERALD UJDAK: Called meeting to order at 7:33.
II. PUBLIC HEARING
A. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS
2002-0405; 1623 East Wayne Street; install a side and
back yard fence.
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: The family is seeking permission to install an open -style
picket fence with French Gothic board tops around their back yard and side yard along
Esther Street. The fence is proposed to be three foot high in some places, and four foot
high in others, and five foot high along Esther Street. There is a petition pending before
the Board of Zoning Appeals for a variance from the twenty foot setback requirement
along Esther Street.
The reason the owners are proposing a French Gothic fence, when they have a more
period revival or Italianate house, is that their next-door neighbors have A French Gothic
picket fence, and they would like it to match. Part of the reason for taking the fence all
the way out to within two feet of Esther -Street is to enclose the little basketball court next
to the driveway.
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(1) Staff recommends approval of the portions of the proposed fence running between
the house and the neighbor's fence, and from the garage along the driveway. Staff feels it
is too great an intrusion upon the original Sunnymede landscape plans for open unfenced
spaces with a five foot tall fence, even if it is open style, running seventy feet long and
two feet from the sidewalk. Staff feels some compromise could be appropriate, since the
houses behind this one are not in the historic district. But the house on the other side of
Esther Street and the houses across the street are in the district.
(2) Staff recommends that the proposed fence along Esther Street be approved only if
it is significantly reduced both in height and length.
(3) Staff suggests that the Commission recommend, but not require, that the owners
give serious consideration to a cast metal fence of the same or a similar style to the
decorative iron grating originally in their home.
(4) If the owners wish to amend their application to include repair or reconstruction of
the damaged pergola behind their house, staff recommends approval of that as well.
I have two amendments to add to this report. This information has been acquired
since it was written, they are as follows:
(1) While the statement of historic context says that some of the decorative iron
grating around the house was removed for donation to the Patriotic Scrap Iron Drive
during World War II, on a closer view of the house, actually it is probable that all of the'
original metal was donated to the war drive. What is presently there is probably a 1950's
era replacement.
(2) I understand from Mrs. Erickson that the city forester believes that all five maple
trees in their tree lawn have some degree of girdling roots; and so all five trees will need
at least root -crown excavations and pruning, and possibly some of them may need to
come out.
Staff would recommend that the application be amended to include the forestry
concerns and pergola repair, as well as those on the written application.
EDWARD HINCHCLIFFE: We are really interested in having a five foot fence along
that area, because we have twenty -month old twins and we would like to be able to allow
them to play in the back yard. Right now the back yard is open to a street with a fair
amount of traffic. We are not only concerned with our children's safety, but we are also
concerned that if we do decide to let the children play in the back yard that they will have
to have constant supervision by us. We would prefer to have a low fence instead of a
high fence there. The reasons we had recommended having the fence extended as far as it
did is because of the following two reasons:
1. To increase the area that the children would be playing in.
2. Wanted the fence to have a natural cut off point that would match up -with the
extension that has already previously been added on to the back of the house.
We would like to enclose the basketball court with a fence and then we would like to
eventually in the future get rid of the basketball court, and still keep the area fenced in.
We are planning on changing the color of the house from a battleship gray and black to a
green color. We want the fence that we are going to have installed coordinate with the
colors and design of the house.
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The back yard between us and our neighbors to the west we were planning on
installing a four foot fence that would match their four foot fence. There would also be a
four foot fence along the driveway to the north. The only section of fence that would be
five foot would be to the south along Esther Street. The reason we decided that we
wanted a five foot section along Esther Street was we felt that a four foot fence did not
provide enough protection against someone trying to take the children out of the back
yard.
John Oxian then made a suggestion that Mr. Hinchcliffe should install a four -and -a -
half foot fence all the way around his property instead. Mr. Hinchcliffe was not opposed
to this proposal.
Further discussion was then held among commission members and Mr. Hinchcliffe
about what would be the appropriate height and length of the fence that is to be installed
on his property considering the guidelines for the historic district.
JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion to approve the fence that Mr. Hinchcliffe proposes
to install. The fence is to go all the way across the south extension and the extension is to
remain inside. The fence will also be installed four feet back from Esther Street and go
all the way down to the north and then it will go across and up. I also recommend that
that the fence is four -and -a -half feet high and be subject to a variance and that if only a
smaller area would be allowed by the variance that it still would be approved.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Seconds the motion and the motion carries unanimously.
JOHN OXIAN: I would also like to make another motion that the reconstruction of the
damaged pergola behind the house be approved by authorization from staff approval for
whenever the plan is submitted.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Seconds the motion and the motion carries unanimously.
2. 2002-0409; 630 Carroll Street; build new garage.
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: The 1979 district survey shows a driveway next to this
house and the house has no garage. The Mitchems own Birdsell Lot #16, on which the
house is located, and also the adjacent lots #17 and #18. They seek to build a two -car
garage about twelve feet from their house, on the line between lots 16 and 17, and mostly
on lot 17, set back eight feet behind the front line of the house.
If well done, this could be a good thing, as it would reduce the number of cars parked
on the street, and result in a less cluttered streetscape.
Staff recommends approval, with the following conditions:
1. That the garage be situated as drawn, at least eight feet behind the front line of
the house.
2. That the garage be sided with a siding material of the same dimensions as the
siding that is on the house.
3. That the roof be a hipped roof, with a slope of 3-12 or 4-12, similar to the
shallow slope of the house roof.
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4. That the eaves overhang be the same distance as the eaves on the house.
5. That there be a pair of double hung windows, size of the owners' choosing,
on each side of the garage.
6. That no mature trees be damaged or removed.
7. That the garage door and service door installed be appropriate in style to the
quality of the house and the character of the neighborhood.
Staff also thinks that a pair of panel doors with windows in the top third or half would be
an option, and would be ideal. Staff does have a question regarding the driveway. It is
not clear from the drawing submitted whether the existing driveway will serve the new
garage, or whether you will be constructing a new driveway and removing the old one.
This should be clarified before a Certificate of Appropriateness is issued.
GREG MITCHEM: As you are coming up the driveway, we are looking at maybe a
forty-five degree angle coming off the existing driveway and going into the new garage.
The dimensions of the garage should be 26' x 24' instead of the dimensions that were
quoted earlier of 24' x 26'. We have not annexed the lot next to our property. This lot is
still a separate lot.
John Oxian and Gerald Ujdak both stated that even though the Mitchems own all three of
these lots, they believe that they will eventually need to have these lots re -plotted and re -
deeded as one large single lot. The reason is that if their garage overlaps onto any of the
adjacent single lots, than they will have problems getting a building permit.
JOHN OXIAN: I recommend that you do not use paneled, plain, flat, garage doors if you
want your garage to fit into that time period. Even though the staff recommends it, I
would recommend that unless you have a fence all the way around your garage that you
only put in one window and have it facing towards your house. To avoid future break-
ins, I would not recommend that you put two windows in your garage. Even though the
staff is recommending that you have windows in your garage doors, I would recommend
that you don't do this.
There was further discussion between the Mr. Mitchem and commission members about
the location of the garage and the appropriate set back from the garage to the house.
Commission members also suggested that Mr. Mitchem use a Lexon material for the
window in his garage because it is virtually indestructible.
JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion that application 2002-0409 be approved under the
list of recommendations that were stated earlier in the C. of A. However, I would like to
make two changes to that list of recommendations and they are as follows:
1. That there will be only one double hung window on the side of the garage that
faces the house.
2. That the garage door be a flat door with no glass window and that it be a single
hung door.
Seconds the motion and the motion carries unanimously.
3. 2002-0410; 1414 Leer Street; replace siding & install windows.
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: The owner, under threat from the City Code Enforcement
Department, seeks to replace the siding on this building, and to install two additional
windows, as the present number of windows in two of the nine apartments in this
building are legally inadequate for the number of present occupants. The staff
recommendations for this building are as follows:
1. Since the siding is presently artificial, in kind replacement is appropriate, and
should be approved.
2. Restoration of a window in any location where a window used to be is also
appropriate, and should be approved. It is probable that the removal of the old
siding may reveal such. The installation of new, hap -hazard windows in a
previously solid wall would further compromise the integrity of a building that
cannot afford further compromise, and that should not be approved.
3. The missing or broken door at the back of the building should be repaired or
replaced.
4. It appears from the inspection photographs that at least two out of the
three front entrance doors have recently been replaced, one with a colonial
revival style door having a nine -pane window on the top half, and one with a
Colonial Revival "Cross and Bible" style door. Either one of these styles may be
appropriate to use. All three doors in the front of the building should be the same.
LEIF BOUSKILL: Code Enforcement has given us a short period of time in which to
make repairs to the windows in this building. One of the previous landlords had installed
the top windows in the building prior to me owning the building. I have only owned the
building for the last two years. The previous owner that installed the top windows in the
building did not put the siding back on after they had installed the windows for some
unknown reason.
In the last couple of days we have talked to a few of the past landlords of the
property and we found out that a lot of the siding is still in good shape and we might be
able to find siding to match what is already presently on the property. We are planning
on repainting the building also. We would like to pull a lot of these old windows out and
replace them with wood framed sash windows. I do have a meeting tomorrow with Code
Enforcement and I think we have passed on almost everything. I did ask the inspector to
come back out and get the property re -inspected today and that didn't work out too well,
because we had already gotten it Friday and everything had passed with the Fire
Marshall.
What we would like to do with the windows on the top floor is finish off the siding
and maybe put some wood trim around them in the form of trim mounts.
JOHN OXIAN: There could still be original wood trim for the windows underneath the
siding, depending on how far out the siding has been installed from the building itself. I
would also like to offer the following recommendations to the owner:
1. Before you install new additional wood trim to the windows that you first check
under the siding and make sure that no previous wood trim has been left behind around
the windows. It is possible that the wood side boards for the windows are still under the
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siding and the only piece that might not be there and might need replaced is the lower
wooden sill.
2. That the original door that you currently have be repaired and used.
JOHN OXIAN: What type of door are you recommending for the front of the building,
Karen?
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: My recommendation is that if there are two doors that
match, that those two doors be approved and that the third door be made to match the
other two doors. If all three of the doors are different, that the door of the owner's choice
be chosen and that all three front doors be the same.
LEIF BOUSKILL: One of the front doors is a steel raised panel door that I had installed
for the safety of my tenant. The other two front doors are different.
JOHN OXIAN: I am going to make a recommendation and I think that part of this
recommendation is going to have you work with both the staff and the inspector on some
of these items.
JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion with the following recommendations:
I. That the three front doors be the style that I showed you.
2. The back door is to be repaired and the glass in the door is to be replaced with
lexion instead of plain glass for better security
3. Even though the siding is not going to be removed from the building, I would
suggest that you try and find out if there are windows on either side of the
of the building so you don't open up new openings when you don't have to.
If there does happen to be windows on either side of the building that the windows
will be restored and repaired.
4. The same type of siding that is already on the building be put on the wooded area
of the building that the owner wishes to have sided.
5. For every window that you want to reinstall wood frames around, that you first
look behind the siding that is already on the building and make sure that there are
no pre-existing original wood frames or parts of the pre-existing original wood
frames still there.
6. That you work with the inspector when it comes to the reconstruction of the
foundation of the building.
MARTHA CHOITS seconds the motion and the motion carries unanimously.
4. 2002-0412; Mayor Voorde Park, Edgewater District; rocks,
benches and trees.
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KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: There has been a -problem -with private individuals - - - --
driving trucks off the edge of the riverbank to launch boats, in this and other city parks.
The Parks Department has found the installation of large boulders along the riverbanks to
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be an effective protective device. However, the plague of SUV's and trucks driving over
riverbanks to launch boats has become so pervasive that the city is experiencing a
shortage of boulders. Maintenance Superintendent Mike Dyszkiewicz suggested that
park benches anchored in concrete might do as well, and be easier to find.
My initial understanding was the Parks Department had or could get such benches.
Now it appears that we or some private donor would have to supply them, and then the
Parks Department would install them.
The South Bend Police Department recommends that any benches in city parks have
arms, as that apparently discourages homeless folk from sleeping on them in preference
to the homeless shelter.
Staff recommends that the Commission do the following:
1. Approve the placement of park benches (of a style having backs and arms) at
locations around the perimeter of the park, generally facing the river and
and located both where the view is pleasant, and/or where they will discourage
illegal truck traffic.
2. Approve the installation of whatever boulders may be available for placement
at those areas the Park Department deems most severely threatened. The
boulders should also be spaced seven feet apart.
As part of the Edgewater Historic District Tree Planting that the Commission
approved in February, three American elm trees are being donated for planting in this
park. They are partly funded by the Elm Research Institute/ Van Buren Grant received
for this project, and partly funded by donations from Gina DeLaruelle, in honor of her
father, Tina Assimos, and Lynn Patrick. These trees can be approved as part of the
general Certificate of Appropriateness that will accompany planting of the street trees for
the project, or can be listed on this Certificate of Appropriateness for the benches or
boulders.
A brief discussion was held among commission members regarding the park benches that
are to be installed in the park, and the following important points were discussed:
1. What style of park benches will be installed, and how the park benches will be
installed.
2. Who will be in charge of installing, maintaining, and repairing the park?
MARTHA CHOITZ: I think that my motion is that the matter be left at the discretion of
the staff.
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH request clarification: So in other words, if someone
requests boulders, than I can staff approve it? And if someone decides to make a
donation of the benches, than can I staff approve it, or should I bring it before the
Standards and Maintenance Committee?
Brief discussion occurred, and staff approval was authorized.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and the motion carries unanimously.
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5. 2002-0413; 119 LaPorte
JEFF BRENDT: Now that I am actually living at the property, I have run across
numerous problems. The original property that the house sits on has a very small front
yard. The previous owner purchased the adjacent lot and ended up increasing the side
yard by eighty-five percent.
I did put the fence where the Certificate of Appropriateness had instructed me to put
it and it literally cuts off a section that is 42' x 76'. I do not need a garden that big and
this is a waste of a lot of yard space. They also use my front yard as a dumping ground
for all their unwanted trash.
I felt that a garden area roughly 12' x 76' is plenty of space for me. Since I have
several dogs that stand over six feet tall, I am going to have to reinforce the fencing that
is already there because one of my dogs has knocked down one section of the fence
already. When I reinforce that section of the fence, I am going to have to use some type
of fence that is stronger than the one that is currently there.
This house is one of the only houses on that street that sits almost right in the street.
If anyone ever runs over the curb they will end up hitting my house because that is how
close my house is to the street.
What I would like to do is cut the garden area to the front corner of the home giving
me more of a barrier and covering this area with evergreens or arborvitae. I have already
priced_ the 6 foot trees at $60.00 a piece, and I am probably going to need at least thirty of
them.
There is a picket fence out front and it runs the entire length of the property. What I
want to do is plant hedges behind the picket fence, and once the hedges have gotten to the
proper height I would then remove the picket fence. I also want to continue the hedges
up to the corner of the house on the other side of Laporte and then start on the corner
where the driveway is and going the rest of the way down. I really think that this would
improve the way the property looks.
The north side of my property is going to be twelve feet facing the street and seventy-
six feet to the alley. There is a large section of a concrete wall that is located on the north
side of my property at the end of the lot that I want to remove and have the area enclosed
for privacy. I want to leave some type of barrier there because they have almost hit the
wall.
At some point I would like to remove that section and go back to the existing privacy
fence. For the time being I will have to leave that front corner part of the wall until I can
figure out a way to stop people from running into my fence. I don't want to lose a fence
every week. So I am going to have a fence running from the front corner of my house
across the property to the lot wall and we are going to remove that section of the lot wall
back to the existing privacy fence. I will have to gate right in the middle of my privacy
fence with an arbor. I was not planning on putting any openings between the boards in
my fence and I need the privacy fence to be at least six foot high because of the large
dogs that I have.
I figure the arbor body ones would eventually grow in and it will basically cover it _
anyway, and I really don't think that it will detract from the property. I do want to put
my trees in front of my privacy fence. The design I would like to do is very similar, and I
have already purchased the cherry trees when they were on sale. The design will stay
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very similar as far as the gardening area out in the front. Rather than brick stone, I may
go with a granite foundation. I have both so I go either way. In accordance with
blossoming ground cover, and then I would like to fill the rest of the area eventually with
perennials.
JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion to approve application 2002-0413 with the
following conditions:
1. That a privacy fence shall go twelve feet across the front of the property and
seventy-six feet to the alley.
2. That a large section of the concrete wall at the north end of the alley be removed
and go back to the existing privacy fence.
3. The front corner of the concrete wall will remain where it is.
4. He will plant Japanese cherry trees out in the front of the property facing the
street.
5. In back yard the owner is planning on planting two Japanese cherry trees on either
side of the walkway.
6. There will be two gates for the privacy fence.
7. There are to be two arbors.
8. Owners choice of either a stone or brick walkway.
9. The owner's privacy fence will be six feet high
CATHERINE HOSTETLER:. Seconds the motion and the motion carries unanimously,
except that Martha Choitz abstains
B. RESOLUTIONS
1. Appreciation for Rhonda Saunders's Services
2. Thanks for Van Buren Foundation Grant
JOHN OXIAN asked that a copy of each Resolution be added to the official minutes
report. The original signed copies of the resolutions are bound in blue and will be
presented to the persons honored.
MARTHA CHOIT7: I move that we approve both of the Resolutions presented.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and both Resolutions carries unanimously.
III REGULAR BUSINESS
A. Local Landmark, First Reading: the Mott Family Home,
at 2733 Lincolnway West, South Bend.
DR. THOMAS HUDAK: The current owner of the property is petitioning the city to
rezone the property from residential to commercial so that the owners can put a used car- - -
lot in the front yard.
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The neighborhood is understandably quite upset about this matter. I was looking into
unofficial ways to prevent this from happening through the Common Council. Then
when I came to your commission we talked about the structure of the house itself, and
also the possibility of that house having any social significance.
I then realize that this had been the home of Doctor Mott, who was an African-
American doctor, and C.A. Josephine Mott. They had been residents of the house since
before 1947. I then decided to look up the history on this particular family and had found
out that Dr. Mott had been the first African-American to graduate and be an intern at St.
Joseph Hospital. His wife was a registered nurse. The doctor and his wife were the first
African-American doctor and nurse team in the city.
Both of these individuals were also very active in the St. Augustine's Roman
Catholic Church, to the point that Dr. Mott was the founder and the trustee when the
church was original built in June of 1941. Mrs. Mott was extremely active in the city
with nursing activities and she was also involved with the church's soup kitchen. Old
friends of the Motts had even told me that Mrs. Mott was so involved with the church that
she was doing the maintenance with the church when it was first built.
I did not contact the hospital, but it was my understanding that there were regulations
against hiring African-American nurses at that time. So we think that it is rather amazing
that he was able to accomplish what he did. He was on the staff of the osteopathic St.
Joseph and Memorial Hospitals.
. I thought that with this history of the Mott's family along with the fact that this home
is in a primary residential neighborhood area where the Lincoln Way West Steering
Committee has been trying to preserve the nature of that neighborhood. Combined, this
might turn out to be a local historical landmark. In the process of gathering a petition
against the used car lot, I talked to a number of African-American residents in the area.
When I started to describe this home to them they would at some point say, "that is the
home of Doctor Mott" and they would immediately know whom I was talking about. I
think they were a very well respected family in the city. This may even turn out to be the
next old landmark for the local black community
1. I did speak tentatively with the N.A. A. C. P. I just spoke with a volunteer who then
passed on the information to the Executive Board. The Executive Board would be
interested in pursuing this matter, but they still needed more information. Based on all of
this I thought I would leave the petition matter to the commission.
JOHN OXIAN: To add on to what you mentioned, I serve on both the Land -use
Committee and the Lincolnway West Steering Committee of the Lincolnway Corridor.
The Steering Committee has sent a letter in opposition to making this home into a used
car lot. It is now a residential area, and the man who has bought the property has already
cut down most of the trees. He was already notified by the Steering Committee and by
the Area Plan Committee that he was wasting his time to come before them with this
matter. Both committees are opposing this because we are going to introduce an
ordinance to control the zoning on Lincolnway West. We want this area to remain as a
residential area. He also has got the property behind him which is in a residential area,
and we feel that by doing this there is a lot of empty commercial buildings on
Lincolnway West that he can use instead for a car lot. He is trying to copy what a
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relative of his is doing by running a car lot out of his residential home farther up the street
on Lincolnway West.
I also had Karen write a letter in opposition to this car lot, because of its potential of
being a local historical landmark, and because the property will be destroyed if it is
allowed to be turned into a used car lot.
DR. THOMAS HUDAK: You should see the privacy fence he is putting up and he is
planning on attaching it to the chain link fence that is already there. He has now stopped
where he was in trying to attach the privacy fence to the chain link fence and now he is
putting the fence onto poles which he has started half way across the back yard at this
point. I don't know if he has a permit for putting up this fence or not.
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: I did notice that he had a building permit in his window, but I
don't know for sure if the permit is for that fence because I did not go up to his property
and look at it closely.
Further discussion was held between Dr. Hudak and commission members about the
current residential history of the Mott's and the plans the current owner has for turning
the residential home into a used car lot.
JOHN OXIAN: This first reading is just a presentation, but next month_ is when we will
have a public hearing on this matter and then go on with it from there. This property
because of its history does qualify to be a local historical landmark.
B. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES
JOHN OXIAN: We have now found someone who is typing the minutes. So, we should
be getting some of the minutes by next month.
C. TREASURER'S REPORT
GERALD UJDAK: I will make a motion that we table the treasurer's report until next
month's meeting.
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and the motion carries unanimously.
C. STAFF REPORTS
1. C. of A. Approvals
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: There have been eight Certificates of Appropriateness
approvals. I will present more detailed reports of these C. of A.'s next month. Most of
them are in the Edgewater neighborhood. The C. of A.'s include the following:
1. Replacement of gutter and eaves.
2. Replacement of a front door.
3. Replacement of a glass in another door.
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4. Replacement of rotted boards from a porch.
2. Elm Tree Project, Edgewater Historic District
Regarding the elm tree project, the grant from the Van Buren Association, of which you
have been informed, described in the resolution we just passed. The city gave an
additional grant to pay for shipping expenses for three dozen disease -resistant Native
American Elm trees. The trees are going to be delivered to the city forester and are
expected to arrive tomorrow afternoon.
The city forester intends to spend the next week or so grinding out stumps and
preparing planting locations primarily in the Edgewater neighborhood. A tree planting
ceremony is in the works. Mrs. Voorde has indicated that she will be available to attend
the ceremony in honor of her husband, whenever we decide to have the tree planting
ceremony. Charlotte Pfeifer is available almost anytime on the week of the 22nd, which is
when the forester wants to plant the trees.
The one item we haven't actually nailed down yet is the availability of Mayor Steve
Luecke. As soon as we either know that he is not available or when he is available, we
will then be able to set a date for the tree planting ceremony.
The present plan is for the forester to grind out the stumps and to prepare for planting
in advance of the actual tree planting ceremony in the Mayor Voorde Park. We can get
photos of visiting dignitaries, hopefully including as many members of the Preservation
Commission as are available. We will do some speeches and get photos of people putting
trees in the ground in the park. We hopefully will have a definite date for this ceremony
after this Wednesday; after John meets with Mayor Steve Luecke and lets me know when
he will be available and I will then pick an exact date and send notices out to everybody.
3. Inspector's Report, Warren Township
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: I have more than half of that township done already. The South
Bend Country Club has basically done away with their club house and built a new one.
So the club house no longer looks the way it did in 1916. Members told me when I was
there that the club house was outdated and was in bad shape and needed a lot of repair.
The South Bend Country Club decided to tear down the old clubhouse and build a new
one it its place.
If the weather is nice and'sunny this week, I should be able to get a lot of
photographs taken in Warren Township,
I have also been trying to find a company that can manufacture the Parkview street
light poles. Thornburg is the only one that I have gotten a good response from and they
are located in Illinois, but they have a local representative in Mishawaka with the name
ESL.
This company gave us an idea of what it would cost to replicate these street light
poles. They could manufacture them to look very similar to what we wanted. They
stated that each pole would cost $1600.00 apiece and this price does not include the
actual wiring for the pole. The light poles would be cast aluminum. I talked to Bill Voll
of Sibley, who has since repurchased his former foundry, and he stated to me in our
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conversation that he would put a proposal together and get back to me on what he would
be able to do on this matter with the street lights.
JOHN OXIAN: The reason we need this information is because we have to come up
with a recommendation for the Jefferson Street Bridge. At the meeting they left it up to
us to come up with a recommendation. This type of fluted pole would be the closest to
what you would want to put on the Jefferson Street Bridge, even though it won't be
exactly like the ones that were there.
This type of pole would also be ones that you could use in other neighborhoods and
possibly even use them in Leeper Park. You can use either the globe or lantern light
fixtures with these poles. Right before you get to the bus garage on North Shore Drive
there are to L shaped cast iron light poles that are very similar to the ones that used to be
on the Jefferson Street Bridge. These are the same two L shaped cast iron light poles that
we are planning on making into landmarks.
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: The architect has expressed a desire to use the brick from bricks
from Memorial on Navarre Street to recreate paths in Leeper Park. After bricks are taken
out of the street, they will be delivered and stored at the South Bend Foundry on Franklin
Street until they are needed.
I have been working with Alex Regnery, an architect who lives on Riverside Drive. l
-met with him this afternoon and he is going to use the city's drawing of Main Street to
present to us a compromise of another way that Park Avenue can be laid out to provide
for additional parking. We are using this as what the city presented as the original and
we are going to do an overlay on that and then make another presentation as to what we
think would fit in there. We hope to have this done by the end of this month.
5. Legal Report (None was presented)
IV. HEARING OF VISITORS (No visitors present spoke)
V. OLD BUSINESS
1. Enforcement Ordinances and Procedures
JOHN OXIAN: Tom, I am calling an Executive Committee Meeting on the enforcement
ordinances for next week Wednesday at 4:00 p.m.
2. Election of Standing Committees
JOHN OXIAN: I would like you all to look at the committee list and see where you are
now located on this list. If any of you want to be switched around on the list, then please
let me know before the next meeting.
VI. NEW BUSINESS
1. Employment matters:
(a) Resignation of Executive Director.
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(b)—Application-for-Director-position.
JOHN OXIAN: I would like to accept Rhonda's resignation, as she requests in her letter,
and I would like to promote Karen Hammond -Nash into Rhonda's old position. I would
then like to approve the consultant's service contract.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: I make a motion to approve Rhonda's resignation
MARY JANE CHASE: Seconds the motion and the motion carries unanimously.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: I make a motion to have Karen Hammond -Nash be
promoted to Executive Director.
GERALD UJDAK: Seconds the motion and the motion carries unanimously.
(c) Consultant Services Contract (to partly continue Ms. Saunder's
services).
JOHN OXIAN: I think we will still need Rhonda's consultant services in the future and
she is willing to come if we need her.
THOMAS BODNAR: I think the contract should have limits such as a time period when
her services will start and will end, and also include the amount we will spend. I think
that since you already have an amount of compensation per hour, that you also need to
include a maximum dollar amount also.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: I will make a motion that we continue to use Rhonda's
services on a consultant basis under the terms stated in her contract.
GERALD UJDAK: Seconds the motion and the motion carries unanimously.
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
MARTHA CHOITZ: I will make a motion to adjourn the meeting.
There were several people who second the motion and the meeting adjourned at about
10:00.
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THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION S C�
OF SOUTH BEND & ST. JOSEPH COUNTY
MONTHLY MEETING r
MINUTESY
MAY 20, 2002 76' Floor, Commissioner's Conference Room
County-City Building, South Bend, IN.
MEMBERS PRESENT: John Oxian, President, Catherine Hostetler, lye-
President, Martha Choitz, Joann' Sporleder
MEMBERS ABSENT: Gerald Ujdak, Secretary, Mary Jane Chase
STAFF PRESENT: Karen Hammond -Nash, Director, Thomas
Bodnar, City Attorney, Wayne Doolittle,
Inspector
ALSO PRESENT:
1. CALL TO ORDER
JOHN OXIAN: Called the meeting to order at 7:35.
H.
PUBLIC HEARING
A. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS
1. 2002-0416; 1636 Lincolnway West, South Bend, Indiana
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: Was filed April 16, 2002, by one Mrs. Ethel Anderson. I
do not see Mrs. Ethel Anderson here and I haven't seen her come in. Does the Chair
wish to proceed with this first, or drop it to the bottom of the calendar and take the people
who are here first?
JOHN OXIAN: I would like to drop it to the bottom of the calendar and if she doesn't
show up, then I would like to table it until next month.
2. 2002-0417; 1012 Riverside Drive, South Bend, Indiana.
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KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: Was filed April 17, 2002. The property is located at 1012
Riverside Drive. These applicants are here. Does the Chair wish me to waive the
history? Proceeding straight to the recommendation. First the proposed eight foot long
and six foot high privacy fence; while it does not extend beyond the property set -back
and is as un-obno.rious as a privacy fence can be; it still is not the kind of fence that
historically would have been found near this sort of building. More importantly, it could
impact upon a neighbor's ability to walk around the garage or possibly to maintain a
garage. Staff therefore is reluctantly unable to recommend approval of the fence.
Second matter is a system of steps between the upper and lower terraces behind the
house. I have enclosed the details from the application with the packets given to the
Commission. These steps appear to be well planned, historically appropriate, and will
enhance the property. Staff recommends approval of the landscaping as applied for.
JOHN OXIAN: I will divide this up into two parts.
MIKE KEEN: What we want to do is put together a privacy fence. Our property is
running right along the neighbor's property; and when we sit in our back patio; the
neighbor's car is basically parked practically on our property when they open their door.
The door opens onto our property when they get out of their car. They step onto our
property. This has never been a problem for either one of us; because, we work together
and we understand that; and they also understand that this is something that wouldn't
have been allowed. These houses this close together encourage only codes. But, that's
not a problem for either one of us. But, cve did want to have some privacy between the
two and that's why were asking for this kind of fence. If there is some other kind of
fence; we can get some advice from the commission and you the staff for other
recommendations; we would be happy to receive that advice. Our neighbors have told us
that they have no problem with the fence. We have discussed the fence with them. We
need to get a letter and bring that in; if that's the reason to tip the staff into
recommending for the fence. The neighbor's have no problem with the fence so we can
document that.
Discussion was held as to where and what type of privacy fence should be installed in
Us area between I& Keen's house and his neighbor's house.
JOHN OXIAN: I will make a motion that a five foot high Villager -2- Fence be installed
in the location as proposed in the C. of A.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I second the motion.
KAREN-HAMMOND NASH: Did you also want to include the approval for the steps
between the terraces with this motion?
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JOHN OXIAN: No, I am going to make that a separate motion; because, you're
recommending against one and you are in favor of one. So, that is why lam dividing it
up. Any other discussion? If not, those in favor say aye. Those against say nay.
The motion carried unanimously.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER. Did your motion include the address and the application
number?
JOHN OXIAN: No, I better put that in there. It is application 2002-0417. The address is
1012 Riverside Drive.
JOHN �7� we are going to go to part two.
The diagrams for the terrace and steps and the list of the
materials are included. Specifications are for brick matching the existing brick and
reinforced by the same type of reinforcements as in the existing terrace tirork. I move
that we accept application number 2002-0417 part B as recommended by staff.
I second that motion.
JOHN OXIAN: Ok, those in favor say aye. Those against say nay. The motion carries
unanimously.
3. 2002-0513; 1430 East Wayne Street, South Bend, Indiana
KAREN HAMMOND NASH: Was filed May 13, 2002. This actually was thirteen days
beyond what attempted to be the deadline. But, it was a sizeable job, and next month's
agenda would be full; I am hopeful that the commission will be willing to consider it.
There are seven items on this application; they are as follows:
1. New Garage Doors
The proposed new garage doors appear to be almost identical to the existing
ones, except for the muntons down the middle of each existing pane; everything except.
the muntons is replicated in the proposed new doors. Staff recommends approval.
I. Driveway widening.
Want to widen the driveway from approximately 8 feet to approximately 16
feet. Regarding this matter page 39 of the Wa me Street District Guidebook urtu
"Required" states "Dominant land contours shall be retained ' i7n ler "Prohibited'!L u Ibe
S_same pagc,1t ,states "Front yard areas shall notbe transformedinto Imrking.areas, nor
laved nor blacktop." The existing driveway is adequate for accessing the garage;
widening itwould only give more parking space. Therefore, staff recommends that this
part of the application be denied
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3. To repave the area between the driveway, front walk, and service door.
There is a photo attached that shows the small area. It's presently paved with
brick. The proposal is to repave it with concrete stamped in a brick pattern. Staff
recommends approval of the application to repave and staff has no opinion as to whether
the brick pattern needs to be retained or whether it could simply be plain concrete.
4. Remove cement slab and adjacent overgrown brick area in backyard.
Repave a 16x24 -foot patio area that will have a border of stamped concrete that
looks like brick around the perimeter. Install a basketball hoop at the furthest end
of the house. This would have little or no visual impact from the street. Staff
recommends approval, conditional upon the previous paving material being removed,
pursuant to good construction practices before the new paving material is installed.
5. Repouring curbs.
I understand this to be an in-kind renovation, and recommend approval.
6. Move an existing hedge.
The hedge is to be moved back from the corner of the yard and driveway, and
replace the e,dsting wire fence with a similar style fence in the new location. Hence,
reinforce the hedge. This proposal was motivated by safety concerns to entering
Twyckenham from the driveway. Staff recommends- approval.
7. Other landscaping.
The homeowners propose to hire a local landscape designer to design and
install other landscaping. Staff understands that the plans in view would involve adding
or moving flora; but, would not involve removing any significant trees or shrubbery.
Therefore, staff recommends approval.
Discussion was held by staff m regards to the pictures that were taken of the bushes at the
above stated property.
JOHN OXIAN: What we will do is take each one of these one at a time
NANCY ICKLER: I have a couple of amendments off of what Karen says.
JOHN OXIAN: Before you speak I want you to give your name and address. That is the
way we are going to do it from now on.
NANCY ICKLER: My address is 1430 East Wayne Street.
JOHN OXIAN: We will go to number one now. Are these permanent mentons in your
door?
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NANCY ICKLER: You know what they are, just panes that are rectangular shape.
Kovacs indicated, to my recollection, that they can have it made the same way. But, I am
not sure whether they are going to have separate panes or whether they will just have
square panes divided by muntons down the middle. You can see that they drew in their
brochure, in one of the pictures, how it was going to look.
JOHN OXIAN: The only difference they're showing in the picture here is that it's on the
second level floor and over here it's on the first. floor.
NANCY ICKLER: Exactly, so they're going to move the windows up to the top row. I
guess these are all essentially made to order anyway. So I will move the windows up to
the top row so it will look like our present garage doors. You can also see they drew
dividers down there and I just don't really remember. We talked to them last year
whether they were talking about just menton bars going down there or whether they were
talking about separate panes.
JOHN OXIAN: I think it is the extra muton in between.
NANCY ICKLER: It certainly may well be. Apparently this is the Sunnymede District
Style of garage door according to the people at Kovacs. This is the preferred door that is
installed in our neighborhood They also live in our neighborhood; not in the historic
district, but close by.
JOHN OXIAN: Does anyone have any questions on this?
JOANN SPORLEDER: I think that looks fine; however, John, it replicates a verticality
of the windows.
JOHN OXIAN: Ok, going to number two on the driveway widening. Anyone have any
questions?
JOANN SPORLEDER: The current driveway is concrete. This is an odd question to
ask; but, is the direction the driveway is running ring north and south`?
NANCY ICKLER: No, it runs east and west_ Because, actually we live on a East Wayne
address; but, it faces Twyckenham. What we originally wanted was to have a circulatory
drive in that side yard; so that it would be possible to back out of the drive like this and
then drive around and head nose out on to Twyckenham. We have an eighteen year old
- - and a fourteen year old so we just feel safer with children coming out straight onto
Twyckenham; but, here it indicated that would be too much of a deviation from the
feeling of that side yard and so we thought we could widen the driveway slightly. I think
it is a matter of opinion whether that driveway is wide enough to get in and out of;
because, there is a big kind of ditch; if you look in the pictures there where people have
gone off that side of the driveway about a hundred fifty times trying to negotiate it and it
is full of water and it looks bad.
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JOANN SPORLEDER: The ditch is in the park -way or is that in the driveway?
NANCY ICKLER: No, it is in our yard. It's not a testimonial to my excellent driving.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Well, I was out and looped at the whole thing, and with the
recommendation in front of me; and I think: that a bigger driveway is needed; it's going to
improve the way you can use it and the way it looks. It would have always been;
therefore, to clearance out the sixteen feet so that you could get into low places.
NANCY ICKLER: You mean right in front of the garage or where it hits the street?
MARTHA CHOITZ: It's slightly wider in the parkway.
NANCY ICKLER: Right, we had that repoured a few years ago because it was badly
deteriorated.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Are you wanting to repour that one yet again?
NANCY ICKLER: No, we wouldn't.. We had that part of the driveway poured a little bit
wider so that our driveway would be wider at that point.
JOHN OXLkN: In other words you're going from eight foot to six -teen foot.
NANCY ICKLER: I am not sure I should have measured it to make sure it is eight foot.
MARTHA CHOITZ; Are you going to make it the same width as the flare?
NANCY ICKLER: I think it is a little bit wider than the flare.
MARTHA CHOITZ: No, she means by the garage.
NANCY ICKLER: Oh, by the garage, no, it's the same width as that.
MARTHA CHOITZ: So it would be parallel straight out from the garage
JOHN OXIAN: Is that what you're saying is that you are malting it parallel straight out
from the garage?
NANCY ICKLER: I think it will end up being a little bit wider than that lip. But, I don't
think: that will be a problem.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Should we approve the adding of the width at this point in front of
the garage?
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JOANN SPORLEDER: It would be nice if we could have a little sketch of the grounds.
So that if we approve it we would approve it in such a way so that it reflects exactly what
we just said. Parallel straight out from the perpendicular to side parallel.
JOHN OXIAN: Wait a minute, Joann; Wayne has seen it; let's hear what Wayne thinks.
How wide do you think it is, Wayne?
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: I think it is wider than eight feet. I took photographs of it. I
think it's far wider than eight feet.
MARTHA CHOITZ: I think it is too.
JOHN OXIAN: Yes, because it comes almost to part of this garage right here.
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: It flares out with room to get down the driveway and get in
directly. I am not sure it needs to be doubled in size. I didn't have any trouble getting
out of the driveway myself. Whether it needs to be doubled in size I am sure I can't say,
because, you're not really dealing with a turn -around situation.
Are you going to tear up the existing driveway or just add on to it?
NANCY ICKLER: No, we are going to take up the driveway. It is badly cracked up.
JOHN OXIAN: What I would recommend is that for this one; I would not deny it; but, I
would recommend is that Wayne go out there with you and you do a drawing for us and
tell us how much of a width you want on this driveway, and also how close that is going
to be to the removal of those bushes or anything else over there. Because, before I vote
for this I would really like to know. I drive down Wayne Street a lot and I have no
problems there. But, the thing I want to see is a better drawing on what is going to be
done to this driveway; before, I make an approval.
NANCY ICKLER: Does that mean we can't start work: on the driveway until the middle
of the summer?
JOIN OXIAN: No, it means that part would have to wait until June, unless you want to
make a suggestion.
NANCY ICKLER: My suggestion is instead of having the inspecter reinspect it and
report it to the Standards and Maintenance Committee, have him meet at the site instead.
-- " - "- JOHN OXIAN: That would be a good idea; -because Martha is on that Committee and so
is Joann.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Unfortunately, I am going to be out of town for a fair amount of
time. I could be out there tomorrow.
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KAREN HAIV MOND NASH: Gerald Ujdak wouldn't be available.
JOHN OMAN: No, Gerald is of the Committee.
JOHN OXIAN: Martha, could you go see it tomorrow, Joann?
JOANN SPORLEDER: I have kind of a full day tomorrow; but, maybe late in the day.
NANCY ICKLER: Do you all need to be there at the same time?
JOANN SPORLEDER: Yes, we really all should be there at the same time.
MARTHA CHOITZ: My other suggestion would have been was to simple say that the
width of the driveway should under no circumstances be wider than the combined width
of the two garage doors; because, I think that is the sense of what you're trying to do.
NANCY ICKLER: Yes that's right.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Whatever those dimensions are that's what you're really reflecting.
I guess that I don't have any real problem with that. Just looking at the drawings it looks
close; but, not real close.
NANCY ICK.ER: We are going to need to be a little wider at the doors.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Well, because, at the doors it should probably be as wide as the
garage just for a esthetic purposes; but from then on I would think that there is no need
for it to be any wider than the two combined doors.
NANCY ICKLER: Sure, that would be fine.
JOHN OXIAN: So, are you going to be taking off a part of this bush here if you widen
it? Or this light fixture on this side? How close are you going to come to this light
fixture?
NANCY ICKLER: Yes, those bushes are going to have to come out. We are planning to
move them. We are going to move them back. The bushes are not very healthy; the
problem is that those are spires and there is some other plants mixed in with them too.
JOHN OXIAN: You mean the ones on this side or the other side.
NANCY ICKLER: The one on the other side is just a huge juniper and it can get cut
back with no problem, it won't change anything.
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JOHN OXIAN: How about your light here?
NANCY ICKLER: Well, what we are going to do is keep the light. But, we have not
completely decided yet how we are going to do that. This light fixture is a very good
safety feature though
JOHN OXIAN: Because, if you widen the driveway you will be coming right up next to
the light fixture so you're going to have to move it back.
NANCY ICKLER: We will have to move the light fixture back. The problem with the
spires is that it's so close to the driveway and to our sidewalk; because it goes all along
that Twykenham area. We have cut them back and when the spires is cut back it then
begins to branch out wherever ithas been cut back. They then get very thick and you can
not see the light through them and also the plant I am sure feels like it is under constant
siege; because it gets cutback- two or three times in a season. But, if you just let it grow
the way it would naturally, it would grow along that area. It. is just not a healthy plant
and the plant is old_ So, I guess the question is can we move it back. Our landscaper said
that he thought we could; but, lie was not sure. Our landscaper is more confident than I
am, he thinks that it can maybe be moved back and cut down and would regenerate; other
wise he would have to put in other plants. But, you can see from one of those pictures
that it is really dangerous backing out of that driveway and you can't see.
You can see car traffic; but, you can't see foot traffic and there are a lot of people that
walk along there. I am very concerned that with inexperienced drivers like our kids and
their friends that there is going to be an accident there; because, you can't see. So, that
hedge really does need to get moved back. I also think that widening the driveway would
have a helpful affect on the visibility.
JOANN SPORLEDER: What is the possibility of just cutting the bushes down to the
ground and letting them come up again and keeping them trimmed really short`?
NANCY ICKLER: We could do that; but, that particular bush is not supposed to be
manicured like that. It is supposed to be big and kind of fluffy like bridal wreaths.
KAREN HAMMON-NASH: This particular landscaper is very good at moving bushes
and keeping them alive. I would expect that if they took Mrs. Ickler's money to move the
bushes to a new location; she would have bushes next year.
NANCY ICKLER: Hopefully, yes. For awhile our yard was looking like these bushes
were just people running around in camouflage; he moved them all overtheplace when he was doing that He did a project in our yard for the paper and put things all around
and he did a great job. He is very talented But, he is not sure he can keep them alive; he
thinks he can. He said it's kind of an older look in a plant, which is nice; because, it's
historic and it is beautiful when it is treated properly. It's just a beautiful plant. It's just
right now that I think if we don't do something soon it's on its last. leg.
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JOHN OXIAN: If you widen that driveway right now what I can see; I think that
driveway is wider than eight foot. That you are going to go over maybe another two feet
or a little over on either side maybe even two to three feet; if you do that then you are
going to have to trim back the bushes to the right. You would have to put in the motion
that the light fixture is in an ostentatious location.
NANCY ICKLER: What we need to do is move it back over, but we would definitely
want to keep the light fixture.
JOH OXIAN: The other thing that I would also recommend; and I know this is going
into the other area; but, since your talking about the bushes for pedestrian walling; I
would say that if you took out the corner bushes or move them back you don't have to
take the whole fence row down if you go about five foot or ten foot; you can almost tell if
anyone is walking down here by the time they get into this area any driver could see
them.
NANCY ICKLER: You could if you curved it around, but, the problem is that doesn't
address the fact that these bushes for their own health sake need to be moved back.
JOHN OXIAN: Well, what you would have to do whether you move it back or not; well,
in that area you would have to move them.
NANCY ICKLER: There we have to, so that's what we want to do is round it around
like that.
JOHN OXIAN: At least I would say, from five to ten foot would give you enough area
in which to see an individual walking down the sidewalk This would be the safest.
Are there any other questions on this?
JOANN SPORLEDER- Are we going to go one by one here or what are we doing?
JOHN OXIAN: What we want to do here is go one by one. All right, then make a
motion on the first one, someone?
JOANN SPORLEDER- I move that we approve the garage for application number 2002-
0513. I suggest that proposition number one to purpose new garage doors be approved as
recommended.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Second-
JOHN
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JOHN OXIAN: Any discussions? If not, then those in favor say aye. Those against say
nay. Motion carried unanimously.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Driveway widening part -two of the same application. I would
recommend --videnu g the driveway to an appropriate width that corresponds to the width
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of the two garage doors; and upon further investigation to find out exactly what that
width in fact is.
JOHN OXIAN: And the removal of the light fixture.
KAREN HAMMOND NASH: Would you suggest that the Standards and Maintenance
Committee, or Wayne Doolittle, or you should do this investigation?
JOANN SPORLEDER: I suggest that Wayne do it because, from my point -of -view, I
think that it will work. All we need for the record is what the actual width is.
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: The standard width of garage door is eight feet. So you have
two garage doors eight feet each; which is 16 feet, and then you have a space in the
middle which is going to be another foot-, so you are all ready at seventeen feet. I think-
that
hinkthat should be appropriate.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I think that's wanted here.
KAREN HAMMOND NASH: Did you also say that you had some concern about the
width of the street?
JOANN SPORLEDER: No, apparently not. That's already been done.
JOHN OXIAN: What is your motion for changing the light fixture?
JOANN SPORLEDER: I don't think- that really goes with that, John.
JOHN OXIAN: Yes it does.
JOANN SPORLEDER: No, because the driveway widening only talks about the
driveway widening.
JOHN OXIAN: Yes, but, if you widen the driveway than the light fixture is going to
come out. Unless, you are going to knock it down and put it back up again.
JOANN SPORLEDER: And move the light fixture.
JOHN OXIAN: Relocate it.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Yes relocate it.__ --
JOHN OXIAN: Ok, any other discussions on this?
KAREN HAMMON-NASH: Is there a second?
MARTHA CHOITZ: I second the motion.
JOHN OXIAN: Those in favor say aye. Those against say nay. The motion carried
unanimously.
JOHN OXIAN: Number three.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Repave the area between driveway, front walk, and service door.
Staff recommends approval.
KAREN HAMMOND NASH: There is a photograph in the application for the area that
is supposed to be paved. The application suggests paving it -with concrete stamped to
look like brick. Staff recommends simply approving the repaving and leaving the design
of the repaving to the owners choice of time in doing it.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I recommend approval as through staff recommendation.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Second.
JOHN OXIAN: Any discussion? Those in favor say aye. Those against say nay. The
motion carried unanimously.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Number four. Remove cement slap and adjacent over -grown
brick area in the back yard and repave xNrith a sixteen by twenty-four foot patio.
NACNY ICKLER: I am not really sure what the dimensions are going to be.
JOANN SPORLEDER: This is the size of the patio, not the size of the bricks. Having a
border of stamped concrete looking like brick around the perimeter and a basketball hoop
installed Staff recommends approval, conditional upon the previous paving material
being removed, pursuant to good construction practices.
Small discussion was held on removing paving material from the specified area.
NANCY ICKLER: There is a very ugly piece of concrete slab that goes the whole width
of the backyard So, what we were going to do is remove that and remove these bricks
and pour something that would be useful as a patio back there. I am not sure about the
dimensions yet. My basketball people tell me that this might be too small. We should
put something back there that would be a patio and could double as a basketball court.
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: You're not looking for a full basketball court., are you?
NANCY ICKLER: Oh no.
JOHN OXIAN: So are you going to have half of it resembling brick and the other half
just plain concrete?
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NANCY ICKLER: No, we are going to take out the concrete and take out the bricks and
just pour a concrete slab and then trim it with something to tie it back into the rest of the
house. What we might do is have concrete in the middle and then for the driveway; we
were thinking of using exposed adaget so it wouldn't be so much white in your face, it
would look more natural and go with the rest of the yard. Then pour this patio with
concrete in the middle and then have an outside border of 12 to 18 inches with exposed
adaget to tie in with the driveway. But, I think this is still a little bit of work in progress.
Our landscaper said he needs to lay it out. I didn't like what he did, Wayne, did you?
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: I thought he was going in the wrong direction. Generally it's
an (L) shape.
NANCY ICKLER: That doesn't make any sense what he did back there; but, he was just
trying to get an idea of the size. He suggested using a border to help kind of tie in with
the driveway.
JOANN SPROLEDER: I think I would like to recommend that we not approve this until
we get a plan that shows a little more specifically what it is were approving.
JOHN OXIAN: Table it.
NANCY ICKLER: That means we have to like not do any of it; because, they are not
going to come out twice and pour concrete.
JOHN OXIAN: No, what you should do is to remove what ever it is that you want to
have removed from there and then come back to us and tell us what you are going to do
there.
NANCY ICKLER: What I am saying is that they can't put in a driveway and come back
out again and pour the patio.
JOHN OXIAN: Oh, that's right.
JOANN SPORLEDER: The problem is nobody seems to be exactly clear about what is
going to actually be there. I think that we can't approve something that isn't more clear.
This is as unclear as it can be to me, anyway.
JOHN OXIAN: Concrete, believe it or not, ones who deliver concrete they go by the
amount of concrete you buy. It doesn't make any difference if they come out there for
five feet or twenty feet._ I knew_ by oncrete_work that I have had done, sometimes they --
can use up the whole truck and they charge you the same thing as if they came out and
did a small amount. So if they have to come out there twice, to them it doesn't make any
difference.
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NANCY ICKLER: Well, but these people are busy. They are busy and they also are
from out of town. Also they would have to drive their concrete truck on their brand new
driveway to get to that Ether place, if they did the driveway first.
MARTHA CHOITZ: I see no reason why she can't within the next two or three days get
a drawing of the site that is going to be done.
JOHN OXIAN: Then you have to have the Standards and Maintenance Committee meet
with her in the next few days. She also has to get the drawings for them.
MARTHA CHOITZ: There's nothing to hold her up. We can be there tomorrow night
or tomorrow afternoon.
JOHN OXIAN: What we need then is amotion. Right now you're tabling it.
MARTHA CHOITZ: But, we need to know the size of it before it is going to be located.
That really is important. And that's all, because, the rest of it that you're describing here
is something that is perfectly --
NANCY ICKLER: Well, can you approve an outside dimension?
JOHN OXIAN: What I would recommend is that since no one seconded Joann's motion;
that you make a motion to put it into Standards and Maintenance Committee and meet
with her and then approve it.
JOHN OMAN: Make a motion.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Yes, I will make a motion on item four and the recommendations
that this be referred to Standards and Maintenance Committee and that we meet with her
almost immediately and she will provide use with the general area and size and where the
thing is really going to be in the backyard hi -other -words we need a drawing. We
should have some kind of drawing. It. doesn't have to be a professional job more -or -less
in this case. But, if you're coming out we can have a professional job, Joann.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Well, I am not going to do the drawing.
JOHN OXIAN: Wait a minute, wait a minute, you are having discussion; let's finish
with the motion. Who seconds the motion?
KATHERINE HOSTETLER: I second the motion.
JOHN OXIAN: All right, Katherine seconds the motion, nolo you can have a discussion.
JOHN OXIAN: All right, it sounds like we had the discussion already. Those in favor
say aye. Those against say nay. Ok, this is in Standards and Maintenance Committee to
meet.
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MARTHA CHOITZ: If you can waitwe can work it out this evening. If you can't we
will get you by phone and try our best to be there tomorrow. But, it would be a lot easier
than the three of us trying to do it now. If you could wait and talk to us later?
JOHN OXIAN: Next make a motion to send someone.
KAREN HAMMON NASH: Before anything incurs. This is an in -hind renovation.
Staff recommends approval; unless, the Standards and Maintenance Committee wishes to
discuss it with the previous matter.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I suggest we approve item number five in this application.
JOHN OXIAN: Who seconds it? - .
MARTHA CHOITZ: I second the motion.
JOHN OXIAN: Martha seconds the motion. Those in favor say aye. Those against say
nay. Motion carries unanimously.
JOHN OXIAN: Ok, number six.
KAREN HAMMON NASH: Moving the existing hedge back from the comer of the
yard and driveway, and replace the existing wire fence with a similar style. The third
drawing on the page; rather dark, but shows the area to the left of the garage as you look-
at
ookat it that hedge would simply be moved back and would be curved instead of being done
at a right angle. The existing fence replaced with they say an almost invisible wire fence
behind the hedge.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Why does the wire fence need to be replaced'?
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: In order to stop small children from running out into the
street and to reinforce the hedge.
NANCY ICKLER: The hedge gets weighed down by the snow in the winter time.
JOHN OXIAN: What kind of wire fence is that? Is it the old type of wire fence or chain
link fence?
NANCY ICKLER: It's the old type of wire fence that sits back.
KAREN HAMMON NASH: But, very historically accurate.
NANCY ICKLER: But, you don't notice ittoo much.
JOHN OXIAN: No, I didn't notice it you can tell that.
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JOANN SPORLEDER: It's a wire fence, a heavy wire fence. It's been there for many,
many years. It's not behind the house, it's at the South side of the house.
NANCY ICKLER: Right, it's behind the house with respect to Wayne Street.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Yes, but, it goes clear to the other street.
JOHN OXIAN: What are you going to replace this with? I don't think you are going to
find wire fence. Are you going to be able to find wire fence?
NANCY ICKLER: I don't know.
JOHN OXIAN: I think you are going to have, to go with some type of chain link fence.
NANCY ICKLER: I don't think that is going to work very good. I don't know. Do any
of you have any suggestions?
'JOANN SPORLEDER: Some chain like fences are covered with a black like material.
NANCY ICKLER: That would be all right; because, you wouldn't be able to see it. It
would be like a black screen.
JOANN SPORLEDER: What I don't think any of us knows is how well they hold up
and how many years of weather they can take.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I simply don't know; but, they look very good. They are almost
invisible. You are talking about in that wooded area.
NANCY ICKLER: In that wooded area, and then when we move the hedges back and
replant them if we need to there along the inside of the hedge.
JOHN OXIAN: How high is the fence now, four foot?
NANCY ICKLER: No, it's not that high. It's only three -and -a half.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Would four foot do it?
NANCY ICKLER: You mean would it be tall enough?
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: Well, the existing one is not tall enough at three -in -a -
half.
JOANN SPORLEDER: There is so much foliage, you know that you are not going to see
it anyway.
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NANCY ICKLER: Wayne, did you look at that fence? Do you think it is about three -
and -a -half feet?
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: I honestly didn't look at that.
JOANN SPORLEDER: It's one of the old ones. All four people wanted it closed up. It
is maybe waist high.
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: It's well hidden inside though. I actually looked and I didn't
see it.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I tried to take a picture of it and you could hardly see it.
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: I didn't see it while I was looking for it. It wasn't obvious.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Is it big squares?
NANCY ICKLER: No, I think it is intended to be decorative; it kind of goes like this
and it's you know wound around itself.
JOANN SPORLEDER: The wire is twisted and they were common everywhere and
everybody had them.
John Oxian: That type of wire fence is very weak.
NANCY ICKLER: In our woods there is a vacated alley and it kind of goes every which
way.
JOANN SPORLEDER: It sounds like to me the fence is sorta purposeless and should be
dispensed with.
NANCY ICKLER: Well, I think you could, except that if you got little kids out there at
all, you wouldn't leave them for a second without a fence. You probably wouldn't leave
them for a. second anyway; but, traffic on Twyckenham is really bad. I think that the yard
is much less usable without a fence.
JOHN OXIAN: Are you going to putthat fence inside the bush or outside the bush?
NANCY ICKLER: Inside the bush.
JOHN OXIAN: Then I would recommend that you put a chain link fence four foot high.
JOANN SPORLEDER: That's a substantial size fence.
JOHN OXIAN: No, a four foot high chain link fence is not that high.
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NANCY ICKLER: You know if it would be all right, I guess, I would rather not have
specifically a chain link fence approved
JOHN OXIAN: If you can find any other type of wire fence, I would like to see you try
and find one.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I think there are other types of wire fence out there.
JOHN OXIAN: Yes, the old type of farm fences, which have the big squares like this,
you might find them at Lowes.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I know you can get those; because_, I saw a whole selection of
them at Farm and Fleet.
JOHN OXIAN: They might have that type.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Every once in awhile there is a big ad in the Old House Journal
for these types of fences.
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: We can approve the alternative; either a wire fence, or
coded chain link fence, is the owner's option, from three feet tall to five feet tall.
JOHN OXIAN: I am the last person you would want to speak with, I like chain link
fences.
JOANN SPORLEDER: So, you do like chain link fences.
JOHN OIXAN: Yes, I do like chain link fences. Privacy fences are not like chain link
fences.
NANCY ICKLER: This even more open than a chain link fence this particular one; but,
if you can find something else.
JOHN OXIAN: That's why I asked you to put it behind the bushes.
JOANN SPORLEDER: What always goes through your mind though, is "is there razor
wire on the top of that one?"
JOHN OXIAN: No, I put mine up without it. Someone make a motion for what you
would like to approve.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Number six of the staff recommendation: moving the existing
hedge and replacing the wire fence with a similar style. I move for approval.
MARY JANE CHASE: Second.
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JOHN OXIAN: You're moving all of the hedge or just the corner area?
NANCY ICKLER: I am going to remove all of the hedge.
JOANN SPORLEDER: All of it really, I thought you weren't going to do this.
NANCY ICKLER: All of it for the reason so that it can grow a little bit fuller.
JOANN SPORLEDER: All right, so moving it is really not the right word, you're going
to take it out.
NANCY ICKLER: Well, whatever seems to be salvageable we will move back; but, if it
looks like it's not going to, then we will have to fill it in with some other things.
JOHN OXIAN: How far back are you moving it?
NANCY ICKLER: We will be moving it back five feet, probably.
JOHN OXIAN: Ok, those in favor of the motion say aye. Those opposed say nay.
Motioned carried.
JOHN OXIAN: Ok, going to number seven.
KAIZEN HAMMOND NASH: Other landscaping should be designed by a local
landscape designer. At the time that this application was submitted and the packet was
put together we did not have a drawing; because, one has not yet been done. However, I
do have a description from Mrs. Ickler indicating that this would involve removing
existing flora and planting some new, and that no significant trees and shrubbery would
be removed. Based on this the staff recommends approval.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Landscaping, Nancy, is putting in gardens for annuals.
NANCY ICKLER: I think what we are going to do is behind the new patio we're putting
some shrubbery or something like that and also he is going to put some flowering trees
back there in the woods. He's done the rest of the yard, and nothing looks outrageous.
He has been real careful to keep it natural looking and to have it compliment the style of
the house.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Somebody make a motion on number seven.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Number seven on the same application number, the local
landscape designer is going to relandscape the yard, maintaining all existing trees and
significant shrubbery. I suggest approval as recommended by staff.
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KATHERINE HOSTELER: I second the motion.
JOHN OXIAN: Any discussion? Ifnot, all those in favor say aye. All those opposed say
nay. Motion carried unanimously
JOANNN SPORLEDER: May I say that when we meet, whenever we meet, at some
time I would like to have a sketch of what the landscaper is going to do for the files. So
we in fact know what was proposed. It is a little hard to sort it all out.
KAREN HAMMOND NASH: I understand that what Mr. Roberson does is get a can of
orange paint and he does his sketch on the lawn rather than on a piece of paper.
JOANN SPORLEDER: That's ok, but, it eventually needs to get transcribed to paper,
because, we are going to need to go back to the tiles and see what it was that we
approved at that time.
NANCY ICKLER: Are you talking about the moving of the hedges or the landscaping?
JOANN SPORLEDER: I think we are talking about the whole thing; because, there are a
Iot of things in here which are important like: the size and shape of the driveway, the size
and shape of the patio, the exact location of the trees and shrubs, what shrubs are being
removed and what shrubs are not being removed. It's just a little hard to follow with for
me, anyway, unless I had a plan that I could look at.
NANCY ICKLER: Well, I think that this is going to have to be something that is made
up on the spot; because, he is going to have to evaluate which of the shrubs will survive if
they are moved back and what he can obtain to fill in with and what probably would go
together.
JOANN SPORLEDER: What ever needs to be done, and is proposed to be done, I would
like to see it on paper. I would like a sketch plan that more -or -less scales what the
dimensions are for what is going to be done.
4. 304 South T�vyckenham Drive, South Bend, Indiana
KAREN HAMMOND NASH: Read the staff recommendation into the record. The
proposed new fence line, as drawn in the application, will be almost totally concealed by
the existing hedge. Staff recommends approval, contingent upon the fence being
removed if or when the hedge is ever removed or ceases to conceal the fence.
KAREN HAMMOND NASH: I move that we approve application number 2002-0514 as
recommended by staff.
JOANN SPORLEDER: I second the motion.
JOHN OXIAN: Joann seconds the motion. I have a question to ask was there a hedge
here, before?
WAYNE DOOLITTLE: No, there was an existing fence.
JOHN OXIAN: There's just a fence there.
NANCY DUFFY-SNOOK: Just a fence, yes.
JOHN OXIAN: So that fence is coming down?
NANCY DUFFY-SNOOK: Yes.
JOHN OXIAN: So in other words there is going to be new hedges and a new fence.
NANCY DUFFY-SNOOK: The hedges already exist.
JOHN OXIAN: Those hedges are already there?
JOANN SPORLEDER: Yes, they are very big and very high and very thick. From the
street the fence will hardly show at all.
JOHN OXIAN: All right, those in Favor say aye. Those against say nay. The motion
carried unanimously.
JOHN OXIAN: The fifth C. of A. has been withdrawn; let's go to the sixth C. of A.
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: The applicant is going to be resubmitting the application
with probably about ten things on it; and it is going to be modifying the proposal
regarding what is still unfinished yet_
JOANN SPORLEDER: Is this about the unfinished window frames?
KAREN HAMMOND-NASH: Yes, so the only remaining application then is;
application number 2002-0516-2. This is the second of two applications filed on May
15`'. The first application filed on May 15a` was this drawing,; this is a separate item and
separate order. Eric and Mary Morgan in September of last year applied for a Certificate
of Appropriateness for several things, including reroofing his house; the reroofing is now
in progress and the builders are discovering that they are having problems getting
adequate ventilation into the attic. They have several alternatives, and the one that they
feel is probably going to be the mostsuccessful is to remove the half round windows on
either gable end of the house and replace them with fence. For those that are attached;
one of the half round windows has a fan pattern in it, probably original. The other has
plain glass in it. that is probably a replacement.
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If there are other alternatives that might be architecturally acceptable for ventilating the
attic; and that would preserve the background windows that add character defining
features of the house than staff would recommend that. If, however, upon consideration
there still is no other alternative for adequate ventilation then staff would reluctantly
agree to the removal of the windows and Mr. Van O-.vrberghe being aware that there was
in the short time since this application was the opportunity to put all the answers to the
questions in the packet and appear himself to answer whatever questions the Commission
has.
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: WithVan Overbergbe Builders, 53922 Olive Road, here
with Eric Morgan, from 209 North Shore Drive. To answer any questions you might
have.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Can you save the half round windows? The openings?
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: Yes.
JOANN SPORLEDER: You can work with them like that, and put some other kind in
there instead?
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: What we propose to do is put a louvered -back style
wood, made out of cedar, custom made to fit in the exact opening without removing the
exterior trim or jeopardizing the integrity of the siding around the area. I am not sure
how clear your pictures are; but, I have more pictures here if you only have one copy.
There is a halt -circle -style -cedar shake design above the windows. The existing trim of .
the window and the style that runs above the window to the ridge of the roof would not
come out. The actual glass would be removed and the custom -tit -louvered -vent made out
of cedar would be installed. I don't have a picture of a cedar vent, louvered -styled, but I
have a picture of a louvered -half -circle vent type that you can look at in the photo if you
need to. It is made of a different material; but, it gives you the general idea of the look of
a louver.
JOANN SPORLEDER: My impressions when I went out and looked at it Saturday, that
especially this one, they both show from the street. Now you got to be looking for them;
but they do show. If you were to remove that, they should be saved, they should be put
into storage in your attic or somewhere and labeled very clearly what they are.
Whatever comes out of there. The frame work, especially on the one that is the fan
shaped; because, that undoubtedly was the original one to the house. But, other than that,
I have no questions.
JOHN OXIAN: You have to remove both?
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: Yes, to provide proper ventilation.
JOHN OXIAN: So the only thing you are removing then, is not just the glass; but, the --
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GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: The ribbon -styled mutton. The exterior trim, the
molding, and everything else will stay. -
JOHN OXIAN: All aright fine then.
JOANN SPORLEDER: What is causing the necessity of this?
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: Well, when the house was originally built; and with the
additions that have come after the original construction of the house there is no
ventilation in the roof. Upon further inspection, you will notice if you would venture out
to the house that you notice the soffit. There is considerable deterioration and that is
caused by moisture that's trapped in the roof Basically, when you have a house and you
have no ventilation it will rot from the inside out. We have found that in the process of
removing the old roof and installing a new roof there has been considerable deterioration
in the soffit material. With the cost of gas now, and that house has boiler heat, Mr.
Morgan is contemplating insulating the house. He is planning on adding insulation to the
attic; as well as, to the side walls. What that will do is seal the house up more and allow
the moisture and the heat that is in the house, although the insulation will help if from
escaping it will rise out instead of across to the empty insulated walls.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Where are you putting the nets insulation in the attic? In the attic
floor or in the attic rafters?
ERIC MORGAN: In the attic rafters. I have some drawings here.
MARTHA CHOITZ: When the roof came offare you venting the insulation through the
rafters? Like construction is usually done.
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: This is not a detailed or a two -scaled cross drawing; it
land of incorporates all of the aspects of what we are doing.
KAREN HAMMOND NASH: I have an additional question if may? Are we
absolutely contain that the flaw in the bathroom vent that goes to the outside was not
ea -posed to moisture?
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: The amount of moisture that is caused from a bath, no.
The bathroom is vented out through the roof with a five inch cast iron pipe.
KAREN HAMMON NASH: Are there any leaks in the pipe?
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: Leaks in the pipe, no. When we redid the roof, we
removed the active pipes in the attic space and ran them through the roof with a material
that will not deteriorate.
JOHN OXIAN: Why are you putting the insulation on the roof area?
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: No, on the ceiling area here instead. Realistically the
best solution is to have the soffit ventilation incorporated with a pop hat or a refinished
ventilation sytem. Although in this particular house there is no feasible way for you to
get adequate soffit ventilation in the house. If you look to the next page the outline is the
roofs edge and the x line is the houses so it shows you the size of the soffits. This area
here is the front porch, this is the front of the house.
JOANN SPORLEDER: Which soffits are wider these or these?
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: These soffits here are wider. These two soffits here have
real metal and have no aspect to them.
For the record could you say which one; otherwise our transcriptionist would be mad.
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: The eaves soffit.
KAREN HAMMON NASH: The second story eaves soffit.
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: Yes, the second story eaves soffit. The second page is a
little thing I put together that shows you the air -flow ventilation. It is an oversew of the
sides of the house. The solid lines are the roof's edge and the dotted lines are the edge of
the house.
JOANN SPORLEDER: In a case like this, with all of these additional things, it doesn't
do any good then to put a continuous one.
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: No, actually via Michiana Insulation, John Gruger, who
is our employed contractor, it defeats our purpose to put the ridge vent along with the
cable vent. The ridge vent is designed to have soffit vents parallel to it at a lower area. If
you incorporate the two you defeat the purpose of either or.
MARTHA CHOITZ: So, these triangular things here are the soffits?
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: On the drawing the triangle areas represents the soffit
ventilation.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Now how do you get to the attic space when you are finished?
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: There will be an access in the closet on the second floor.
MARTHA CHOITZ: A pop-up
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: Yes, a pop-up place.
MARTHA CHOITZ: So the attic is just an attic.
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GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: Yes, that is correct it is just an attic.
MARTHA CHOITZ: So you could store those things up there, when you take out the
windows out.
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: That is correct We could put the windows right next to
them up there.
MARTHA CHOITZ: All right, line then.
JOHN OXIAN: Someone want to make a motion?
MARTHA CHOITZ: I will make the motion. I move that we accept the application
2002-0516-2 as consensus by the contractor and recommended by the staff Oh, yes, and
to save the windows, please.
JOHN OXIAN: Who seconds the motion?
JOANN SPORLEDER: I will second it.
JOHN OXIAN: Joann seconds the motion. Those in favor say aye. Those in favor say
nay. Motion passes unanimously.
MARTHA CHOITZ: Do you have a question?
GARY VAN OVERBERGHE: Yes, I have a question; earlier this evening you said that
you didn't have a quorum and you couldn't approve the C. of A., so does this mean you
can or can't do this?
JOHN OXIAN: Explains to Mr. Van Overberghe that the Commission was meeting as
Committee of the whole to advise the staff regarding issuance of staff approval for
Certificates of Appropriateness as discussed and advised by Committee.
CATHERINE HOSTETLER: Can we approve the minutes?
tes?
JOHN OIXAN: No, you can't do that Since we can't make any decisions or anything
else like that, this is information for all of you to read and bring back with you next
month. Whatever need be. Like I said, you will have December's minutes, and you will
have April's minutes, and you will. more than likely have the Committee Report for May.
We will be catching up very soon.
JOHN OXIAN: Somebody want to make a motion to adjourn'?
TOM BODNER: Someone is here for hearing of visitors.
JOHN OXIAN: No, it's just Don Sporleder.
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several different topics presented, but, it also includes the Saint Joseph River Basin
History and economics and so this may be an opportunity for the Commission to be able
to share with them what it is that you are all about. It should be a good conference.
JOHN OXIAN: Ok, who will make a motion?
MARTHA. CHOITZ: I did.
JOHN OXIAN: Who second the motion?
JOANN SPORLEDER: I did already.
JOHN OXIAN: Joann did now at the end, ok.
KAREN HAMMOND NASH: At 10:04 we are adjourned -
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