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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSeptember 1995AGENDA OF THE REGULAR MEETING of the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COYRMISSION Regular monthly meeting 7:30 p.m. Monday, September 18, 1995 County Commissioner's Conference Room 7th Floor County City Bldg I. Call to Order II. Roll Call A. Intorduction of new County Council appointee - John Borkowsi III. Public Hearing A. Certificates of Appropriateness 1. 938 Riverside Drive - LHD-RD; relocation of various ventilation devices including restoration of dormer window & installation of roof vent. 2. 1421 East Wayne Street North - LHD-EW; Removal of attic window vents and restoration of window conditions. Also installation of roof window. IV. Regular Business A. Approval of Minutes 1. August 21, 1995 2. September 6, 1995 B. Treasurer's Report C. Correspondence D. Committee Reports 1. Budget & Finance 2. Legal a. By -Laws and Rules 3. Historic Districts 4. Historic Landmarks a. Status of recommendations to Common Council - 534 LaPorte Avenue (Starzynski Texaco Gasoline Station) 237 North Michigan (LaSalle Hotel) 518 South Michigan (Pro Sound) b. Darden Bridge c. Proposal to designate Leeper Park 5. Standards & Maintenance 6. Personnel 7. Staff Reports a. C of A Staff Approvals 1. 1019 Riverside Drive - LHD-RD; In-kind roofing replacement and reconstruction of chimney. 2. 1061 Riverside Drive - LHD-RD; In-kind reconstruction of chimney. b. DHPA Grant status 1. National Register Nominations a. determination of consultant, Glory June Grief b. possible inclusion of Wenger Homestead, 701 Pennsylvania 2. Economic Benefits Study - RFP issued. c. Historic Preservation Plan - adoption by County Council V. Old Business A. 54335 Rose Road - log House VI. New Business VII. Hearing of Visitors VIII. Announcements & Miscellaneous Matters IX. Adjournment �" D CERTIFICATE OF.APPROPRIATENESS STAFF REPORT APPLICATION -- 1995-0811 PROPERTY -- 938 Riverside Drive South Bend OWNER -- Jay Tidmarsh DESIGNATION -- RSD-LHD STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT This residence was constructed circa 1903 in the American Foursquare form with Free Classic style. The house was rated C/9 when previously surveyed for the Indiana Historic Sites and Structures Survey, however subsequent removal of aluminum siding and restoration of details warrants review of this rating. PROPOSED CHANGE Proposed alterations in this application are: 1) Remove fan and vents from west facing dormer window and restore glazed window sash condition at this location to match other existing dormers. 2) Install ridge vents at horizontal ridge conditions of dormer and main roofs. Shingle over metal vents to match existing roof shingles. _ 3) Remove existing kitchen vent through wall. Restore siding at this location to match surrounding material and locate new range vent discharge through window sash of basement where dryer vent is presently located. STANDARDS II.A.2 Recommended - Whenever possible original building materials shall be restored... II.B.1 Required - The existing shape and material of the roof shall be retained All architectural features which gives the roof its essential character_ such as dormer windows, cupolas, cornices, brackets, chimneys, cresting, and weather vanes shall be retained. II.C. Required - Original windows and doors including sash, lintels, sills, shutters, decorative glass pediments, hoods, and hardware shall be retained or when deteriorated beyond repair, replaced with units and trim resembling the original. RECOMMENDATION As noted above substantial restoration activity has been proceeding at this house. Staff recommends approval of all items on the following basis: 1) Removal of the fan and vents in the dormer and replacement of the sash and glass in the existing frame constitutes a replacement of material deteriorated beyond repair; in this case missing. 2) The installation of ridge venting is necessary to alleviate condensation in the rafter space cavities for the insulated and finished attic. this requires no removal of otherwise significant detail and will be barely noticeable from the ground or street. 3) Relocation of the Kitchen vent discharge to the location of the dryer vent discharge allows restoration of the integrity of the wall surface. The basement window discharge has little effect on the appearance of the house and is an acceptable modification. DBD 9/12/95 Ir CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS STAFF REPORT APPLICATION -- 1995-0901 PROPERTY -- 1421 East Vayne Street South Bead OWNER -- Michael & Jenny Toal DESIGNATION --_RZP--LHD STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE/HISTORIC CONTEXT This residence was designed by H. R. Stapp and constructed circa 1925 in the Colonial Revival style. The house was rated C/9 in the Indiana Historic Sites and Structures Survey. The house was apparently built speculatively by Whitcomb & Keller & then sold in 1926. The structure is wood frame and has been altered with the application of aluminum siding. PROPOSED CHANGE Proposed alterations in this application are: 1) Remove fan and vents from east and west facing attic gable windows and restore glazed window sash condition at this location to Match other existing double hung windows. 2) Install new roof window on rear slope of main second story roof. STANDARDS II.B.3 Prohibited - Nothing shall be done to change the essential character of the roof as viewed from the thoroughfare by adding architectural features, large unsightly fixtures,or by using roofing materials inappropriate to the style of the house.... II.C. Required - Original windows and doors including sash, lintels, sills, shutters, decorative glass pediments, hoods, and hardware shall be retained or when deteriorated beyond repair, replaced with units and trim resembling the original. RECOMMENDAtION Staff recommends approval of both items on the following basis: 1) Removal of the fan and vents in the dormer and replacement of the sash and I glass in the existing frame constitutes a replacement of material deteriorated beyond repair; in this case missing. The proposed replacement windows reasonably reproduce the pattern of existing windows in the house. 2) The East Wayne Street Guidelines do not address roof windows and sk3-lights directly. The installation of the roof window as proposed does not affect the appearance from the thoroughfare as discussed in the standards. DBD 9/12/95 English: Installation instructions for ventilating skylight Espanol: Instrucciones de instalaci6n para tragaluz de ventilaci6n Frangais: Feuillet d'instructions pour ('installation du puits de lumicre ouvrant VELUX' .•F:. +j%•: •M ti:. Index: P. 2 Introduction P. 3 Planning for your VELUXs skylight P 4 Planning for your VELUXs skylight— Light shah application P. S Securing mounting brackets to skylight P.6 Pregration of skylight P 7 Positioning skylig t to roof P. 8 Adjustment and final attachment of skylight P. 9 Underlayment and flashing P.10 Details of skylight installation Indite: P. 2 Introducci6n R3 Preparaci6n para su tragaluz VELUXs P. ! Pr*V;mi6n para su tragolux VELUX' — Instalaci6n del hYKO de luz P. S Colococi6n de las escuadras de mantaie en el trogaluz P6 Preppaaraci6n del trogaluz 117 Colocaci6n del trogalux on el teiado P. 8 Ajus» y fijoci6n final del tragalvx P. 9 Recubrimiento impermeable y tapa'untas P.10 Detalles sabre el montaie del traga�ux Index: P. 2 Introduction P. 3 Pour planifier l'installation d'un puns de lumi6rt VELUX" P. A Pour planifler le bf* d'ouverture de vatre puits - de lumi6re VELUX P. S Comment fixer Its 6querres de fixation w puits de lumi6re P. 6 Pr6paration du puits de lumiAre P. 7 Positionnement du puits de lumi6re dans le toil P. 8 Ajustements et fixation finale du puits de lumi6re P. 9 Papier noir et satin P.10 D6tails sur (installation du putts de lumi6re . t 1181ho-850 VELUX' .•F:. +j%•: •M ti:. Index: P. 2 Introduction P. 3 Planning for your VELUXs skylight P 4 Planning for your VELUXs skylight— Light shah application P. S Securing mounting brackets to skylight P.6 Pregration of skylight P 7 Positioning skylig t to roof P. 8 Adjustment and final attachment of skylight P. 9 Underlayment and flashing P.10 Details of skylight installation Indite: P. 2 Introducci6n R3 Preparaci6n para su tragaluz VELUXs P. ! Pr*V;mi6n para su tragolux VELUX' — Instalaci6n del hYKO de luz P. S Colococi6n de las escuadras de mantaie en el trogaluz P6 Preppaaraci6n del trogaluz 117 Colocaci6n del trogalux on el teiado P. 8 Ajus» y fijoci6n final del tragalvx P. 9 Recubrimiento impermeable y tapa'untas P.10 Detalles sabre el montaie del traga�ux Index: P. 2 Introduction P. 3 Pour planifier l'installation d'un puns de lumi6rt VELUX" P. A Pour planifler le bf* d'ouverture de vatre puits - de lumi6re VELUX P. S Comment fixer Its 6querres de fixation w puits de lumi6re P. 6 Pr6paration du puits de lumiAre P. 7 Positionnement du puits de lumi6re dans le toil P. 8 Ajustements et fixation finale du puits de lumi6re P. 9 Papier noir et satin P.10 D6tails sur (installation du putts de lumi6re DOUBLE -HUNG U WINDOWS Fine double -hung windows can lend an authentic look to homes and other buildings of traditional design. Pella"' dou- ble -hung windows recreate a classic appearance, but they offer state-of-the-art perfor- mance and features. Wood con- struction lends warm, natural beauty and insulating value for interior comfort. An optional aluminum -clad exterior practi- cally eliminates maintenance concerns. Pivoting sash and optional removable wood win- dowpane dividers make it easy to wash windows from the inside. Design options include high -efficiency glass and Slim - shade® blinds. Choose from three different styles: both sash of equal size, tall upper sash, or tall lower sash. TOP: Double -hung windows with removable colonial muntins. LEFT Tall lower sash, double -hung windows with muntins. BOTTOM: Double -hung windows and French doors with removable muntins. 34 The'Pella® Cladb6iible WOOD SASH AND FRAME. -.- WASH 'FEATURE ali;;-vi' _,';window with the id6ublef M1 glai-,`�­ d provi e stru�Wiil strength :.sash to pivot in the ctntii-b '4; -;-_,.-mg panel insu ating I * value and wnden-' the window for f "d ��,easy g" sAofi control All Wood IS- outside glass rom insi reaWri %ithN4at�r-rekllent-,-�,,.--;,'�(4.;th6bdilding --------------- V.-i 7, a — EA iEk9f10Vj?ING is ING is- viny -va'ap"P"M f6kh'ift all seal= - ing'points h 64t`j am Kl. i n' - gill '"d­chi&rail.',Wit ir6of1.57psU,,'w,'.i- M: 1% s crack .4 ash %s:^ i, -1 W_ -ANC fa 7. 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Call to Order The meeting was called to order at 7:36 p.m. by HPC President, John Oxian Presiding. II. Roll Call Commission members present were: Martha Choitz, Adrian Fine, Catherine Hostetler, John Oxian, Joanne Sporleder, J. Edward Talley, Jerry Wiener, and Father Richard Bullene (attending, but not seated due to the presence of Joanne Sporleder). Staff present were David Duvall, IiPC Director and Aladean DeRose, Counsel to the HPC. Also Present were Peter Hauser, Larry Clifford, and Marsha Stevenson. III. Public Hearing Public Hearing was conducted for the following Certificates of Appropriateness applications. 1995-072£3: 1233 East Wayne Street Korth - LHD-Eid; replacement roofing. David Duvall read the Staff report. President Oxian read a letter form the applicant explaining their inability to attend the meeting due to being out of the city. Commission members discussed the attrition of slate roofs in recent years and questioned whether the use of look-alike composition material as replacement was becoming and automatic response in lieu of investigation of slate replacement or other more authentic replacement materials. Concerns expressed included that the new shingle materials often do not replicate the appearance of true late authentically and are typically not laid in the same coursing, etc. 'Mrs. Sporleder recalled the case of Neighborhood Housing Services at the former Notre Dame Av, Firehouse which recently found in economically feasible to replace with real slate. Mr. Duvall stated that he was unaware whether the applicants had received bids for slate replacement. Mr. Oxian suggested that the application be tabled and that the applicant be asked to provide such comparative bid data. Mr. Talley moved that the application be so tabled. Mrs. Choitz seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved. Mr. Fine indicated that he would provide information from HLFI regarding supply sources for used or salvaged slate. 1995-0731: 221 East Navarre Street - LHD-RB; landscaping & privacy fence. Mr. Duvall read the Staff Report noting that the applicant, Mr. Hauser was present. Mr. Iiauser provided additional information in the form of additional plan sheets and a memo further specifying fence and pavement surface material. Mr. Talley noted that Mr. Hauser had already committed considerable effort to rehabilitation of the house and that he was providing and excellent example to the neighborhood in appropriate restoration practices. President Oxian•asked whether mature trees were existent on the property or were proposed for removal as part of the landscaping proposal. Mr. Hauser indicated that there were no mature trees present except for those shared with neighbors on the property line and those on the tree lawn which would be unaffected by the plans. Catherine Hostetler moved for approval of the application. Jerry Wiener seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously. Mr. Oxian commented that the commission should be aware that the approved landscaping would probably page 1 take longer than the one year period of -the COA to be completed. Mr. Hauser concurred with this. 1995-0725: 1043 Riverside Drive - LHD-RD; Replacement of rear privacy fence. Mr. Duvall noted that the applicant was not present and that the submittal of the application and its details had been handled by the tenant, Mr. Tom Serczynski and that the sketch site plan from the survey data card was attached by staff as no site plan had been submitted. Mr. Oxian inquired about the portion of the application regarding garage repairs. Mr. Duvall responded that the owner had removed these items from the application in phone conversation, leaving only the fence item to be considered and that there" seemed to be a misunderstanding between the Owner/Applicant and his tenant who had submitted the application materials.Mr. Talley observed.that he believed the tenant to be the moving force in attempts to conform with district standards at this property. He then read the Staff report. In discussion, Mr. Duvall clarified that.previous alteration of the garage has rendered its historical integrity dubious. Mr. Talley moved for approval of the fence for the tenant per the Staff Report. Mr. Fine seconded the motion. Mrs. Choitz questioned how we could issue a COA to a person who did not own the property. Mr. Duvall clarified that the signatory on the application was the owner but that the tenant had filed the application and provided the details of the fence and that all process had been confirmed with the owner in telephone conversation. :Mr. Talley withdrew his motion and then restated it to move that the application be approved Der the Staff Report and that the Oroiect be monitored by Staff. Adrian Fine seconded the motion. The motion was passed unanimously. IV. Regular Business A. Approval of Minutes - July 17, 1995 Mrs. Sporleder noted a redundant verb form in item, IV.D.1 (be being). Mr. Oxian called for approval of the minutes as corrected. The minutes were unanimously approved as amended. B. Treasurer's Report iir. Wiener distributed a balance sheet indicating that at the six month point we are on budget for the year. Ile noted that due to the way we are billed from the county, he has not separated postage from telephone expenses. Mrs. Choitz moved to accept the Treasurer's Report. Firs. Hostetler seconded the motion. The Treasurer's Report was unanimously accepted. Mrs. Sporleder inquired about the status of the County Budget. Mr. Duvall reported that to his understanding by hearsay that the $3,500 operational budget and his own salary are still line items in the County Commissioner's budget. On checking with the Executive Secretary of the County Council Friday of the previous week, there had still been no Commissioner's budget submitted. Ed Talley reported that on August 9, Patty Godsey, Executive Secretary of the County Commissioners, had indicated to him that a loo salary increase for the Director was being put forward while the Operating Budget was to remain constant and that money for grants would be handled on a case by case basis. . C. Correspondence .Mr. Duvall reported.the following items received: 1) Notice from the County Council Budget Committee indicating August 29 as the date of the Public Hearing for the 1996 budget. 2) Invitation to IILFI Northern Regional Office to visit with Victor Hood and Dr. Larry McKee who have been contracted for feasibility study for the restoration and interpretation of the hardy 'Manuel Log House on Friday August 25, 5:00 p.m. page 2 3) Thank you note from Christine Anderson for wedding gift. 4) National Trust compensation and computer study. 5) Note from Paul ;;crlinn of the City of South Bend Parks & Recreation Department indicating that the East Race Area has been accepted for participation in the D.O.0 / National Trust Hoosier Heritage Development (HIID) Program for the Spring of 1996. Outgoing Correspondence: 1) Registration for Msrs. Duvall and Oxian for the Cornelius O'brien Lectures in Fort Wayne, Sept. 29-30. 2) The letter has been prepared.for sending the historic Preservation Plan to The County Council for its adoption. D. Committee Reports 1. Budget & Finance 2. Legal a. amendment to state statute Mrs. DeRose reviewed her memo regarding the amendment to State Statute which she has prepared which would permit the Historic Preservation Commission to introduce an amendment to the local zoning ordinance establishing a local historic district. Mr. Oxian indicated that he had not seen the memo. Mr. Duvall indicated that he had received the memo and placed it in Mr. Oxian's mail tray in the office. This is essentially and exception as St. Joseph County is the only jurisdiction in the state wherein the historic preservation powers reside in the zoning chapter of the code. b. Rules and By -Laws Mrs. DeRose then raised the issue of the proposed procedural rules which had been discussed at the June meeting of the IIPC and the interface of those rules with the existing by-laws. Mr. Oxian determined to form a special committee to review the two and propose a resolution of the two. Mr. Talley brought up the concern for conflict of interest which had been discussed in June and mentioned the applicability of state law. Mrs. DeRose indicated that she concurred on the importance of establishing this rule. Mr. Talley continued with an inquiry regarding the liability of commission members with regard to the actions of the commission. Mrs. DeRose explained that technically commission members bear liability but that the City insures citizens acting in its behalf. The requirement for public notice of meetings of the commission was raised. Mrs. DeRose indicated that five days advance notice was the requirement. Lir. Oxian indicated that he thought that the legal memo regarding -liability should be included in the compilation being prepared by Mrs. DeRose. Mr. Oxian appointed himself, Mrs. Iiostetler and Mrs. Choitz to the special committee to make recommendation for the resolution of the proposed rules and the by-laws. Ile asked other commission members to review the proposals and contact those appointees with their suggestions for this work. There was brief discussion regarding a loose-leaf binder format for the rules, By -Laws, etc. to allow easy updating. 3. Historic Districts ��r. Oxian reported that the Lincolnway West Business Association had distributed the petition materials for the proposed Local Historic District and reviewed their proposal to collect signatures from the largest property holders first followed by individual home and business owners. 4. Historic Landmarks a. Status of recommendations to Common Council page 3 fir. Oxian reported as follows: 534 LaPorte Avenue (Starzynski Texaco Gasoline Station) - Little activity has occurred at this location since the new owners acquired the site. 237 North Michigan (LaSalle hotel) - The Owners have been contacted regarding proceeding toward designation and have been provided with the consent form and a new copy of the Landmark Standards. 518 South Michigan (Pro Sound) - We are waiting for assistance from the Department of Economic Development for proceeding in concert on this designation. b. Proposed Landmarks pending second reading Streetlight at L77 corner Stanfield & Pokagon - LMr. Oxian brought this object in-situ forward for recommendation. Mr. Talley noted that since the disappearance of another streetlight of the same design during the preceding month, the one under consideration is the last of its type in the city. 'rMr. Talley moved that the streetlight be recommended to the Common Council as a Local Landmark. Mrs. Choitz seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved. Mr. Oxian instructed Mr. Duvall to contact Carl Littrell regarding the whereabouts of the other street light mentioned by ,Mr. Talley. Mr. Talley inquired about interim protection of proposed landmarks during the designation process. Mrs. DeRose indicated that a moratorium on demolition would be possible. .Mr. Oxian indicated that he has considered such a moratorium up to 90 days and that one statute which he had seen extended such authority to National Register properties. sir. Duvall indicated that he believed the Wisconsin law provided for local commissions being able to delay demolition of National Register properties for some period. c. Frame Family cemetery ;Mr. Duvall reported that .the final plat revisions have not yet been finalized but that the developer's commitments have been quite appropriate and cooperative. d. Darden Bridge Mr. Duvall reported that construction documents have been issued for the project letting of a contract is anticipated in November. The County Engineer has promised to provide a copy of the documents but they are not yet in our possession. Construction start is not anticipated until spring thaw. e. County Court Houses Mr. Duvall reported that Hercig Associates is preparing documents for a program to disassemble and reconstruct the tile roof of the dome at the Third Courthouse. Additional related masonry repair will be included. A temporary weatherization program is underway to get the structure through the winter. They have been made aware that these activities willrequirea CdA. Phil Cartwright of Troyer Associates is volunteering his labor to supervise the stabilization of the Second Courthouse. Mr. Duvall noted that the Northern Indiana Historical Society still had storage in the building. John Embriclson, director of the City -County physical plant will be executing the work. .firs. Sporleder inquired why the structure was being "moth -balled". 'Mr. Duvall responded that his understanding was that an individual contributor had given ter, thousand dollars toward that purpose in the absence of some wider rehabilitation program. He noted that the Historic Landmarks Foundation of page 4 Indiana had placed this structure on its Ten Most Endangered list for this year. Mr. Fine added that roof stabilization was the focus of the present program. f. Inquiries ;1r. Duvall reported the following inquiries regarding the possibility of establishing the following properties as Local Landmarks: 1. 1045 West Washington Street - Children's Dispensary 2. 30750 Inwood Rd. -.County Schoolhouse The owner indicates this to be a one room schoolhouse constructed in 1925. It was not noted in the IHSSI St. Joseph County Summary Report. It would have been on the cusp of the 50 year threshold at the time of that survey. Ile has had no opportunity- to for further research at this time. 3. 1122 West Colfax - Entzian house Mr. Duvall indicated that this building has been altered and is not rated sufficiently high to merit landmarking by the commission's criteria at this time although restoration activity might merit future review. Mr. Oxian indicated that the Summary report indicated the building top be a rated as a C/10 while the survey card indicated C/9, neither meeting the S/11 threshold for landmarking. ,1r. Duvall. observed that the Summary Report should probably be considered correct. IIe discussed the procedure which has been established in office for recording these discrepancies. Re -ratings will be brought to the commission periodically in bundles. ,1r. Fine indicated that the new owner of the I -IPA House which has been moved recently is interested in pursuing Local Landmark Designation. Other Landmark concerns which have recently come to the attention of the HPC. office are: The desire of the Department of Economic Development to meet with us regarding resources available should the City acquire the property at 701 East Pennsylvania. The present plan is to include this structure in the new park being developed in that vicinity. A meeting is to be established on this topic. From newspaper reporting, the State Board of Tax Commissioners appears to be steering the South Bend School Corporation toward a demolition of Riley High School as opposed to rehabilitation and expansion. Mr. Oxian inquired about the log house on Rose Road which appears to have been demolished without COA. Mr. Duvall will investigate further to determine the situation. Mrs. DeRose mentioned that the possible remedy would be reconstruction. She expressed that there was the possibility of getting an order without capability of enforcement and cautioned for selective application of judicial process. Mrs. Choitz indicated that some incentive or assistance to preservation of such structures might be possible but is unlikely in the local context. Mr. Duvall observed that the Bickel Cabin was also in a precarious state of repair. Mrs. Choitz observed that this is the sort of situation where easements may prove helpful. Air. Oxian reviewed the status of the easement legislation which is believed to have been passed in the last legislative session but which has not been reported adequately. Local easement ordinances are already in place. Bringing the discussion back to the Rose Road Cabin, Mrs Sporleder inquired if the commission could place a lien on a property in such a case. Mrs. DeRose said that she believed not. Mrs. Sporleder continued in this line of inquiry about restrictions on the property after the demise of the Landmark structure. Mr. Oxian indicated that until the designation was removed from the property, a COA could continue to be required for any proposed development. Mrs DeRose indicated that there would be due process issues which would come into play and that the right not to be deprived of property without due process of law is a very highly respected principle in the current Supreme Court. firs. DeRose page.5 felt that there was a significant distinction to be made in this regard between a willful demolition and an "act of God" with regard to the legal remedies which would pertain. Mr. Oxian observed that some of our rural Local Landmark sites include extensive land area in addition to the structures constructed there. These designations will remain in ordinance until they are removed by the Common Council. Mr. Duvall observed that any attempt to purchase a permit for development activity at such a site would still result in a referral to the HPC for a COA and only at the determination of the commission regarding such a proposal would the question of the relative merits of such remedies come into question. Mr. Talley questioned whose responsibility enforcement would fall to if.foul play were found to be the cause of the demolition (e.g. arson). Mrs. DeRose indicated this would be a criminal charge. 5. Standards & Maintenance had no business to report. 6. Personnel a. interview progress - Mr. Duvall reported that he was still waiting for the CDBG Grant commitment and County and City Budgets to be established before being able to proceed with consideration of hiring with confidence. He noted that additional resumes had been received recently after a considerable lull in applicants. 7. Staff Reports a. C of A Staff Approvals 1. 1007 Riverside Drive - LIID-RD; In-kind roofing replacement 2. 621 Lincolnway East - LHD-EP; in-kind porch repairs 3. 701 Portage Av. - LL; In-kind gutter replacement & masonry repair. b. DHPA Grant status Mr. Duvall reported that five proposals were received for the National Register Nomination portion of the CLG General Assistance Grant. There has not been sufficient time for interpretation of the proposals. He requested that the determination of a consultant be referred to committee to expedite the formulation of such an agreement. Mr. Oxian referred the selection of a consultant for this work to joint action by the Budget and Executive Committees. c. CDBG Grant status The 1996 application was submitted on the preceding Friday. The same level of funding as previous years has been requested but portions of the application were revised to further specify particular activities, most notably, to specifically include the development of National Register Nominations. Mr. Talley inquired about the future prospects for CDBG funding. Mr. Duvall indicated that the House of Representatives proposal is a seven year series of consecutive 200 reductions in the program which yield 50% reduction -at the end of five years and culminates in a 200 of present funding at the end of the seven years. Mr. Duvall indicated that IUSB has a :faster of Public Affairs program which provides a stipend to master's degree level students for work in public agencies. Ile is looking into participation in this program which is one alternative to the CDBG funding for the position of administrative assistant. V. Old Business page 6 VI. New Business A . Brick: Streets of South Bend :Mrs. Sporleder observed that Notre Dame is preparing to host a conference nett spring on the subject of masonry and that the city's brick paved streets might prove a topic.of interest for a'tour or paper for that group. This brought to mind the necessity of surveying and inventorying where such street still exist and where they continue to remain as substrata under new pavement. There might also be an opportunity for the management of salvage from locations where brick removal is justified as in the past when this has occurred, the salvage brick has more or less disappeared into isolated private use. .."•Mr Oxian observed that there were no remaining brick surfaced streets in any local Historic Districts but that some do remain in the National Register Districts. Mr. Talley corrected that the 900 block of Riverside Drive LIiD which is also in the Chapin Park NRHD retains brick pavement. There are no restrictions on the 'NRIID except for application of federal funds. Ile further noted that Memorial hospital ambulance services have been complaining about the brick approaches to their ER facility. Mrs. Sporleder indicated this as a good illustration of a case which might justify removal rather than paving over of the brick. Mr. Oxian observed that the paving over of brick was ineffective, as the asphalt invariably fails in a fairly short period. Mr. Talley indicated willingness to do preliminary inventorying. Mrs. Choitz emphasized the need to systematically assure the maintenance of the streets and storage of salvage lest the material simply disappear as the street lights have. 'Mr. Oxian indicated that an inventory was a requisite first step. L'Irs. Choitz countered that there is a need for a plan in conjunction with the inventory. This type of material pirated at the least opportunity. Mr. Oxian indicated that street bricks removed are now taken by the Street Department for reuse elsewhere. He concurred that a comprehensive proposal should.be developed for this issue. :Mr. Fine indicated that IILFI has some information files on brick pavement and a case study from another city which he will make available to those interested. Mr. Oxian indicated that there was a.speed of travel versus ease of maintenance issue here. :Mrs. Choitz suggested a video production might be an informative project in this regard. Mr. Oxian observed that there was a brick bridge under 1Tilbur Street which has been buried. Mr. Talley reiterated his concern for the designated and controlled storage of historical materials salvaged by the City. Mrs. Choitz suggested that if such materials are to be -sold, the revenues could be dedicated for other Historic Preservation activities. Mr. Talley introduced the subject of the overhead wiring which will remain on Riverside Drive after completion of the streetlight project which will be limited to telephone and television wires on phone poles which were illegally erected in the first place. He stated that TCI and I&i'M have requested that a letter be sent from "as high as you can get in city government" requesting that the poles be vacated and these lines be placed underground. Mr. Oxian indicated that this would still require a COk and the City Engineer would need to participate. .Mr. Oxian indicated that Mr. Duvall should compose a letter to be signed by ;Mr. Oxian who will seek additional signature from the City Engineer. VII. Hearing of Visitors Ldo visitors made presentation VIII. Announcements & Miscellaneous Matters IX. Adjournment LMr. Oxian adjourned the meeting at 10:10 p.m. page 7 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING of the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION Special called meeting MACOG 5:30 p -.m. Conference Room Wednesday September 6, 1995 11th Floor County -City Bldg I. Call to Order The meeting was called to order at 5:36 p.m. by HPC President, John Oxian Presiding. II. Roll Call Commission members present were: Adrian Fine, Catherine Hostetler, John Oxian, Janeanne Petrass, J. Edward Talley, Jerry Wiener, and Father Richard Bullene. Staff present was David Duvall. Also Present were Michael and Denise.Collins. III. Public Hearing Public Hearing was conducted for the following Certificates of Appropriateness application. 1995-0728: 1233 East Wayne Street North - LHD-EW; replacement roofing. David Duvall dispensed with reading the Staff report as it had been presented at the regular meeting. He distributed the photographs which were shown at that time and two additional photographs provided by the applicants. He also exhibited a proposal prepared by Troeger & Co. in March of this year estimating the cost of replacing roofing with new slate at $42,925. He indicated that in his judgment the problems with this roof were the result of deteriorating slate and not failure of fixing devices indicating that salvage was not a viable alternative. Mr. Tallev moved that the application be approved as the replacement material had previously been determined to -be compatible and approved at the previous addition. Catherine Hostetler seconded the motion. Father Bullene inquired about the price differential from the proposed material and the slate. The Collins indicated that the differential was tenfold. Father Bullene agreed that this was prohibitive. Mr. Oxian questioned why Mrs. Sporleder had believed that the cost might be closer. Mr. Duvall reminded the commission of the replacement of the roof at the former fire station on Notre Dame Av. where the city had determined to replace the roof as they had a more favorable cost differential there. He speculated that the contractor who was near retirement at the time and now unavailable may have given that project a unusually favorable price. The motion was unanimously approved. There was some discussion regarding the various grades of slate and inference that the original slate on this roof appears to have been of inferior quality. Mr. Talley inquired about how the commission maintains information about suppliers and craftsmen. Mr. Duvall indicated that he had a policy of not recommending products or craftsmen unless an inquirer indicated that they were unable to find some particular product or service, in which case our office will direct them to such if.we know of it. Mr. Fine indicated understanding that this was a necessary position as a government agency and that HLFI had similar lists of information. Mr. Duvall also indicated that he often refers inquiries for craftsmen to Paul Hayden of South Bend Heritage Foundation who is aware of people who are experienced with the special requirements of historic buildings. Mr. Duvall also distributes the material supplier sheets i- - V page 1 from Traditional Building magazine. Mr. Talley inquired about our knowledge of cost information. Mrs. Petrass observed that cost really varied from case to case. Fr. Bullene indicated that special order items would vary by location. The commission either must trust the applicants or create a position to research this sort of issue. Mr. talley asked if the fundamental problem in this case was the combination of the applicant's absence at the regular meeting and failure to submit the high estimate as evidence. Mr. Duvall verified this. Mr. Fine reminded the commission that cost was not the first consideration. Mr. Talley asked if there could be a -case where we would not approve such a replacement material. Mrs. Hostetler produced a photo of a roof with highly irregular slates as an instance where the commission could not accept a material like that just approved. Mr. Talley questioned whether property in a historic district was necessarily more expensive than the average to maintain. Mrs. Hostetler said that it was dependent on the particular structure. Mr. Wiener indicated that the key to understanding this was to look at replacement cost insurance which can be up to three times market value in order to replace special craftsmanship, but that an owner should not need to anticipate extra cost for roofing , for instance. Mr. Duvall stated that the turn of the century buildings up to about 1910 would all have originally ha& wood shingle.if not slate or metal, and the commission does not require"restoration of historical correctness in these instances. Mr..Fine returned to the question of whether the particular feature is character defining:: In'the,case`_just heard, the replacement material did in fact reasonably reproduce=the-appearance of the original material. Mr. Oxian noted that after one has been ori'the commission for some time, one comes to recognize the reasonable-1case"from"false representations. Mr. Oxian adjourned the meeting at about 7:00 p.m.