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HomeMy WebLinkAboutNovember 1977nistoric preservation commissior -. - , •.-: ; - . - ,_. - , - , -_ "_ .... -. ,•. _ _ : s f .south en and st. jo ep county ROOM 1123 COUNTY CITY, BUILDING south bend, indiana 46601 (219 284-9798) Regular Meeting - November 21, 1977------_ :7.30 �i _ :•, r. - _ Y3 - Room_323 -Conference Room -: - - - Ca11_-to 3. APPraval of- Nhi.nutes Treasurer's Report7 5 ,:.Corresondencek P" 11 6, Committee Reports City Survey Budget:;and Finance _ Historic Districts - - _.. ,:. Historic --Landmarks Legal _ - Public- Relations and ,Coffin . unit Edu y. ca on - - :Standards and Historic PlariF` Presidential° Report _ -- Staff Report- _. == 7. Old: Business _- '8. New Business Hearing: of .Visitors 10 ;._,'Announcements and Miscellaneous Matters. "Adjournment . t ,: HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TOTAL BUDGET $11,425.08 Treasurer's Report November 21, 1977 $11,425.08 4,213.46 1977 Budgeted ,Balance Line Item 119.1 Historic Preservation Planner $8,200.08 $2,628.62 212 Postage 300.00 187.97 213 Travel Expenses 600.00 -0- 215 Books 125.00 125.00 241 Printing, other than office supplies 400.00 204.10 242 Publication of Legal Notices 200.00 100.00 243 Photography and Blue Prints 200.00 200.00 244 Stationery and Printing 100.00 28.55 252 Equipment 50.00 13.00 261 Legal Services 600.00 600.00 263 Technical Assistance 400.00 0- 371 General Office Supplies 100.00 38.22 570 Dues and Subscriptions 150.00 88.00 $11,425.08 4,213.46 historic preservation commission November 21, 1977 Page 2 Mr. Oxian then asked the Commission to set aside a sum of -$600. for Ms. Deloris Davisson--to implement and carry on the work she had done on the Project - Landmarks, the matching fund grant from the National Trust. There was some discussion on this matter and it was felt that Ms. Davisson would be in the temporary employ of the Commission. Mr. Ted Wasielewski made a motion that the Commission set aside $600.00 for Deloris Davisson to work on implementing the Project Landmarks. Ms. Sporleder seconded this motion. There was no dis- cussion_and the motion passed unanimously. Mr. Oxian-then made the motions that the Commission authorize a sum of $300.00 for Mr. John Stamper to continue the project he is doing at the present time and several other projects Mr. Oxian has in mind. Included in these are the completion of several survey forms and the completion of a Certificate of Appropriateness for the Number 7 Fire Station. Mr. Al Stivers seconded the foregoing motions and they were passed unanimously. Ms. Sporleder then wished the Commission to appropriate sufficient money at Gene's Photo Shop to reproduce 160 slides for educational presentations, plus three slide trays to be bought at Schillings. Mr. Stivers seconded this motion and it passed unanimously. Mr. Oxian then made a motion that the Commission purchase ten more plaques, since there were several more landmarks. There was some discussion on this. Mr. Oxian made a recommendation that the Commission subscribe to the new magazine: American Preservation. 5. Correspondence Mr. Oxian stated that a decision should be made by the Commission - on the Morris Theatre and the Fire Station # 7 to complete a Certi- ficate of Appropriateness. It was decided to turn this over to John Stamper. Next a letter from Morris Ketchem was discussed. He had written asking for information on structures within South Bend that had been recycled into new uses for inclusion in a publication he has been preparing. It was decided that this project would.also be undertaken by John Stamper. Mr. Nimtz seconded this motion and it passed unanimously. Mr. Oxian then informed the Commission that he had heard from the Society of Professional Journalists and recommended that the Com-- mission om-mission send a representative to a meeting that they are -having on 7:00 p.m., Tuesday, November 29th. It is an open meeting and Mr. Nimtz will attend as a member of the Redevelopment Commission. Mr. Wasielewski and Ms. Sporleder voiced that they might attend. 6. Committee Reports City Survey Mr. Ted Wasielewski reported that a meeting -of the City Survey November 21, 1977 Page 3 committee was held on the 9th, and he brought the Commission up on the present status of the survey. He then read a progress report prepared by the firm of Crumlish/Sporleder. It was men- tioned that approximately 4,250 structures within the city of South Bend had been reviewed. Of these structures approximately 261 may be regarded as very superior or above average and will be carded. All buildings have a rating of 10 or above. Each target area has been mapped.. Mr. Wasielewski informed the Com- mission that the next meeting of the City Survey Committee will be on December 7, 1977 (changed to December loth) at 7;30 p.m. at the Bognar Agency office. He said everyone is welcome to come. He also asked the Commission to pull together some ideas for next year's work. Budget and Finance Mr. Oxian informed the Commission that there is a proposal pend- ing, of which Mr. Timothy. Eckerle is aware, to appropriate the $8,000 needed to complete the City Survey to be used, in part, to build a fire station. He said the city would tear down the existing Fire Station #6 and build a new one. There was discussion between Mr. Tim Eckerle and Mr. John Oxian. Mr. Eckerle explained how Community Development funds work and said this proposal was pending locally. Mr. Oxian then said the $20,000 had been pro- mised to the Commission for the City Survey, of which $12,000 were -to be used this year, and $8,000 until July of 1978. There was some discussion of ordinances and attachments. It was men- tioned that perhaps the Historic Preservation Commission could re -apply to C.D. for these funds for next year. Mr. Oxian said that no member of the Commission was informed of this pending pro- posal, and Mr. Eckerle countered that no agency had been informed. Mr. Eckerle said the first reading would be the last Monday in the month. There was further discussion of the Citizen's Advisory Committee. Mr. Oxian then stated that since Mr. Eckerle was well -- versed in Community Development funding, wised to appoint Mr. Eck- erle to the Budget and Finance Committee. Thereupon, Mr. Eckerle, who works for Community Development, dclined this position on the grounds that it would be a conflict of interest. Mr. Oxian said that Mr. Eckerle's being on the Historic Preservation Commission was a conflict of interest. He then said that Mr. Eckerle should - keep the Commission informed of what goes on in Community Develop- ment and to keep in touch. Historic Districts Mr. Ted Wasielewski informed the Commission that there had been a small meeting of this committee and that the committee agreed to pursue proposed zoning change in the West Washington area. He said he would be meeting with Mr. Dick Johnson of the Area Plan Commission regarding such zoning and acceptable occupancy. He said a district must be established - a local district by ordinance. Mr. Oxian then said he had received a sample of a - law which was passed by the Massachusetts Legislature establish- November 21, 1977 Page 4 ing the Historic Preservation Commission of the City of Boston. He said in this lw, three different types of historic districts were set up: one for the National Register, the second type for State and local and the third type a conservation district. This would preserve the neighborhood in which architecturally superior buildings were not included. He said he would ask W. Gaylen All- sop to read this ordinance and perhaps make this a part of the Commission's ordinance. There was discussion of these three sep- arate types of districts. Mr. Oxian then said that Community Development should be working with the Commission in the West Washington area. Mr. Oxian then appointed Tim Eckerle to become a member of the Historic Districts Committee, and It. Eckerle accepted. Historic Landmarks Mr. Oxian informed the Commission that he had several structures that he would like to nominate for landmark status. One was at 18075 Roosevelt Road. Ha made a motion that the Commission de- clare it an historic landmark. Mr. Nimtz then asked if the owners agreed to this designation and Mr. Oxian assured him that they had. Mr. Al Stivers seconded this motion. It passed unanimously. The next one is located at 61723 Oak Road. Mr. Oxian said that two letters had been sent to the original owners and then one - letter to the owner who had inherited the property. The origin- al owner passed this property on to her daughter. He said there had been no response to the letters, but that the Commission could go ahead and declare this building, which includes the barn, a landmark if there were no objections. Mr. Oxian then made a motion - that this structure be designated an historic landmark. Mr. Rother- mel seconded this motion. It was put to a vote and passed, with Mr. Nimtz voting nay. Mr. Oxian said the barn had a cupola which was removed after it was ascertained that it would cost too much to repair. Mr. Nimtz stated he didn't like the procedure of de- claring a landmark when the owners did not specifically say they wanted it done. He did not think the Commission is consistent. Mr. Oxian said that according to the Ordinance the Historic Pre- servation Commission it is not required to have the consent of the owner in declaring Landmarks and that it was proper procedure. There was some discussion on this point, and Ms. Sporleder remarked that it certainly would be "nicer" if the Commission had the approval of the owners to declare a structure a landmark. Mr. Oxian then said he would like the house at 1608 Devon Circle in the city declared a landmark as well. He said the owner had - approved, in writing, that the house be so designated. Mr. Roth- ermel made a motion that this structure be declared a landmark. Mr. Ted Wasielewski seconded.this motion and it passed unanimously. Mr. Oxian then discussed the Barlett house and said that the former owner, John Bender, had wanted the house declared a landmark. November 21, 1977 Page 5 The house is now owned by David Lord. He talked with Mr. Lord and there was no definite answer either way. Mr. Oxian said that Southhold had made Mr. Lord a loan to restore the structure. But permission must be gotten to declare it a landmark. Mr. Ted Was- ielewski said he would talk -,to David Lord. Mr. Oxian next brought up the Arthur Fredrickson house on Lafay- ette Boulevard. He said he had talked several times with Mr. Fredrickson but had received nothing in writing in having this house and store declared a landmark. Mr. Oxian made a motion that this house and store be designated a historic landmark. Ms. Sporleder maintained that permission should be gotten from the owner. Mr. Ted Wasielewski suggested that perhaps a form letter could be sent to the home owner for him to sign, giving permission for designation. There was discussion on this matter and it was decided that Ms. Joann Sporleder would work with Mr. Oxian to draft such a letter. Mr. Oxian then made a motion that this house be declared a landmark,ending a possible permission from the owner, with Mr. .Oxian getting written consent from mr. Fredrickson. t'!r. Al Stivers seconded this motion and it passed unanimously. Ms. Joann Sporleder then spoke about the Palais Royale and the Morris Civic Theatre. Mr. Stamper advised the Commission that - preliminary research had been done on these buildings. Mr. Roth- ermel said that the Palais Royale is part of the Morris Theatre and should be utilized as one building. It was mentioned that the owners of these buildings "were spread around the country." There was some discussion about the historical and architectural significance of the structures. Mr. Oxian stated that if the two buildings could not be declared landmarks at one time, then neither one by itself should be so designated. Legal Mr. Nimtz, in discussing the Rinderle case, informed the Commission that there had been no further word on whether they were going to appeal Judge Ati11er's refusal for a motion. Public Relations and Community Education There was no report from this committee Standards and Historic Plan There was really nothing new from this committee except that Mr. Oxian mentioned that a procedure should be adoptedby the Commission for a Review Board. Ms. Sporleder was advised to get together with Mr. Oxian to set up a procedure. Mr. Oxian showed a brochure, "Guidelines concerning appearing before the Architectural Review Board". Mr. Oxian made a comment that this matter be withheld for further action later. Presidential Report Mr. Oxian discussed the hiring of Ms. Candace Peck for the position of Historic Preservation Planner, beginning November 21, 1977 Page 6 December 1, 1977. She was interviewed by Deloris Davisson,- Ruth Price and John Oxian at the annual National Trust meet- ing in Mobile, Alabama and is highly qualified for this position. Staff Report Ms. Gilbert felt it was necessary to publicly inform the Com- mission that Ms. Deloris Davisson had not been re -appointed to the Commission by the Mayor, and that he, had appointed Mr. Timothy Eckerle to serve for three years'as a Commission member. 7. Old Business Mr. Oxian brought up a letter from Mr. LeLee regarding a Certificate of Appropriateness for the #7 Fire Station which is now housing the— ACTION Center. He felt that an architect should fill out the Certi ficate and turned this matter over to John Stamper. Mr. Nimtz moved that a special review committee be set up, which would include Mr. Oxian, Ms. Sporleder and Mr. Stivers to deal with this particular request. Mr. Rothermel seconded this -motion and it passed unanimously. Mr. Oxian brought up a letter from the North Shore TriangleAssociation regarding the lights on the Leeper Bridge. He said a letter had been sent to Patrick McMahon regarding this matter. Mr. Oxian suggested that some sort of facsimile of the bridge lighting be made up and that Ms. Sporleder work with.the North Shore Triangle Association on this aspect. He stated that Mr. Ted Wasielm--ski would handle the district matter. Mr. Oxian then discussed the matter of facade easements and said a meeting had been held and it was a most difficult task to decide the the value of a facade on a house. Mr. Oxian talked about a facade. easement plan in San Francisco in which no less than 15% of the value of the building was included in the facade easement. It must be cleared. by the assessor's office. 8. New Business Mr. Oxian brought up the matter of several. conferences: December 1 to 3 in Washington, D.C., a conference on --old and New Architectural - Design Relationship. Then there is a Mid -west division of the -Nation- al Trust meeting of Preservation Action in Oak Park, Illinois. Mr. Oxian reported that the Historic Landmarks Foundation of Indiana had a revolving fund of $150,000 to be earmarked for historic pre- servation of threatened historic structures. He said it would not apply to the Commission but might very well apply to Southhold. 9. Announcements and Miscellaneous Matters There were no further announcements. November 21, 1977 Page 7 10. Hearing of Visitors There were no remarks from the visitors in attendance. 11. Adjournment Mr. Ted Wasielewski made a motion that the November meeting stand adjourned. Mr. Al Stivers seconded it and the meeting, after this motion had passed unanimously, was adjourned at 9:33 p.m. SUBMITTED BY: Russell W. Rothermel, Secretary DRAFT PREPARED BY: Gertrud C. Gilbert NEXT REGULAR MEETING Tuesday, December 20, 1977 Conference Room - 323 Third Floor - County -City Building 7:30 p.m.