HomeMy WebLinkAboutSM 05-09-75May 9, 975
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1. ROLL CALL
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SOUTH BEND REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION
SPECIAL MEETING
HELD IN LIEU OF
REGULAR MEETING OF MAY 2, 1975
1200 County -City Building
Mr. F. Jay Nimtz, 227 W. Jefferson Boulevard
President South Bend, IN 46601
Mr. F. Jay Nimtz, President
Mr. John E. Chenney, Vice President
Mr. Donald A. Wiggins, Secretary
Mr. A. Peter Donaldson, Member
Mr. B. L. Wade, Assistant Secretary
Mr. Kevin J. Butler
Media: Ms. Christine Boehlke, Adv. Sales, South Bend Tribune
Ms. Jeanne Derbeck, South Bend Tribune Reporter
Mr. Dave Anderson, WNDU -TV Reporter
Mr. James L. Marchelewicz, WNDU -TV Reporter & Photographer
Mr. Dan Caesar, WSBT -TV Reporter
Mr. Steve Neher, WSBT -TV Photographer
Mr. Larry Ford, WSJV -TV Reporter
Mr. Les Howard, WSJV- TV.Photographer
Staff :
Present: Mr. Roland A. Kelley, Secretary, Board of Trustees
Mrs. Janet S. Allen, Interested Citizen
Mr. Jack Buffington, J. C. Penney Co., Inc.
Mr. Gene Evans, South Bend Civic Planning Assn.
Mr. John C. Fleck, International Constructors Co.
Mr. Hubert Getzinger, President, Downtown South Bend
Council
Mr. Dick Hoy, Osco Drug Store
Mr. John R. Kagel, Executive Director, Downtown South
Bend Council
Mr. Karl King, Chairman, River Bend Plaza Advisory
Committee
Mr. John Paulson, Hans- Rintzsch Luggage Shop
Mr. Allen E. Schrager, Interested Citizen
Mr. Bill E. Slabaugh, Dept. of Public Works
Mr. Edward F. Soltesz, Chairman, Governmental Coordination
Committee of River Bend Plaza Advisory Committee
Mr. C. Wayne Brownell Mr. Mark S. Davis
Ms. Helen S. King Mr. Kenneth Schaller
Mr. Keith P. Crighton Mr. Louis N. Wilcox
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
In the last Commission Meeting, which was called as a Special Meeting,
heli on April 29, 1975, the approval of the Minutes of the Regular Meet -
ing of April 18 was not on the Agenda for Commission approval. The Chair
dis ensed with the consideration for approval until the regularly -sche-
dul d meeting of May 9th.
The Chair requested approval of the Minutes of the Regular Meeting of
Apr 1 18, 1975, at which time, Ms. Jeanne Derbeck, Reporter for The
South Bend Tribune, requested that she be granted permission to go
on record before the Chair proceeds with this Commission Meeting. Ms.
Derbeck was granted permission to speak.
Ms. Derbeck requested her comments, be placed on record, and shown in
the le Minutes:
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Ms.
Ms. Derl
ring an,
a.
b.
One thing specifically, I have read the Minutes, and I
noticed that the Minutes do not mention several things.
Well, one thing specifically: Councilman Terry Miller
was here, and we had considerable discussion, which is
NOT NOTED in the MINUTES. Now, you are dealing with
topics here that were a controversy in the meeting. Well,
these topics could become more controversial.
I have known of other Commissioners who use minutes of
their past meetings as a record -- almost a legal record.
I am speaking of The Housing Authority, for instance.
ssioner Chenney said he couldn't hear what she was saying, and Presi-
Nimtz asked Ms. Derbeck to speak louder to be heard.
(Derbeck said:
These Minutes do not mention Councilman Terry Miller's
comments from the 'last meeting' -- which were consider-
able.
Now, Minutes can become an almost legal record, and maybe
they are a legal record - -I don't know. And I have seen it
happen with The Housing Authority Commissioners who have had
to go back to past Minutes as evidence of something that
happened about a controversy that arose later.
This is a controversial topic and these Minutes may be used
as evidence later. I am not on the Commission, nor suggest-
ing what you should do, but I would like it on RECORD that
some things are missing from these Minutes.
*k was requested to clarify for the record, which Minutes she is refer -
objecting to being incomplete:
Minutes of Commission Meeting of April 18, 1975, (Regular Meeting),
recorded by: Ms. Helen S. King;
Minutes of Commission Meeting of April 29, 1975, (Special Meeting),
recorded by: Mrs. Dolores Crynes.
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2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES (Cont'd
Ms Derbeck said regardless of which, that Terry Miller made comments in
bo . h .
Mr. C. Wayne Brownell, Executive Director, said the Chair was requesting
approval of the Minutes of the Regular Meeting of April 18, and Terry
Miller's comments are shown in the April 18, 1975, Minutes, noted as
Item 10, Block 6 Development, R -66, pages 12 through 15.
The Chair requested extra copies of the Minutes of April 18 be brought
in the meeting for discussion, for the Commissioners and News Media,
and this was done.
Mr. Brownell said the Commission was about to approve the Minutes of
the Regular Meeting of April 18 and if Ms. Derbeck has any corrections
for that meeting? Ms. Derbeck replied, "I have none for the 18th. The
180 is okay; I am talking about the Minutes of the 29th meeting." Mr.
Brownell said we are talking about the 18th, and that we should take
that one first.
Pre�ident Nimtz said:
Ms.
On Miller's remarks, there are four (4) pages of Terry Miller's
remarks in the Minutes of the April 18th meeting.
Of course... I'd say this to everybody present... it's impossible
to have verbatim Minutes of these meetings. Helen is good,
and I think she is studying to be a court reporter, but, for
the record, we are just not equipped - -or available - -to have
verbatim Minutes of these meetings, and we try to do the best
on digest. But, I think your comments might be apropos for the
29th Minutes. We will get into that on the Minutes of the
29th. But, I think, on the 18th Minutes, that everything is
there. Are there any comments from the Commissioners?
lissioner Wiggins:
Well, I agree with what you say. I think that we ought to be
completely fair and objective about this. We operate under
the Roberts Rules of Order, and it's required that we - -that
the minutes -- reflect the actions that are proposed and are taken,
and, I believe, that they do that. It's not required that the
Minutes be a verbatim account of everything that's said, and
everything that's happened to that degree. As long as the
Minutes reflect reasonable accuracy as to what did transpire,
in terms of the actions that were taken, is all that is neces-
sary.
Derbeck:
Well, I don't think they should be verbatim either, but perhaps
things need to be referred to, and that as our City Councilman,
Terry Miller has requested information to his questions
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2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES (Cont'd
a.
a
Mr.
issioner Wiggins:
Well, he is listed here as being present; he's listed here
on some several pages, on his remarks that he said. That is
what we are considering.
Approval and /or
of April 18, 19
is to Minutes of Regular Meeti
The Chair asked for a motion for the Minutes of April 18th,
that it be approved. Said motion was made by Mr. Chenney,
seconded by Mr. Wiggins and carried.
Approval and /or Amendments to Minutes of
of April 29, 1975:
cial Meeti
President Nimtz said, "Now, we get to the Minutes of April
29, 1975. Now, this is the one that Helen King was not the
reporter, isn't that right? Mr. Brownell: Right." Com-
missioners concurred.
Chair: "Now, there may be some in that that are
sketchy in those Minutes."
Commissioner Wiggins requested copies of those Minutes for
the discussion, which were also produced.
Kevin J. Butler, Commission Legal Counsel: Jeanne, is there
any ommission, or Board, or Council, who does prepare
a transcription of the Minutes as extensive as this
Commission? I have never seen it. I'think that maybe
our problem is that ours might tend to go too far.
Ms. Derbeck: I don't think that the remarks have to be verbatim.
I'm not an authority, but I wouldn't be objective
for a lack of verbatim remarks, but I think there
should be, at least, some reference to the matters
discussed.
Mr. Butler: That's why we present them in a meeting for approval,
so that if anyone has any comments with respect to it,
they can bring it up.
Ms. Derbeck: But, I think there should be at least a sentence or
two, or a summary acknowledging the essence of major
objections, and things like that.
MINUTES
APPROVED,
REGULAR MTG.
OF APRIL 18,
1975
You asked if other Commissions - -well, the other one that
I cover regularly is The Housing Authority meetings, and
I think they have pretty extensive minutes. At least, I
think so.
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2. APPgOVAL OF MINUTES (Cont'd
Mr. Butler: They try to do the same as us?
Ms. Derbeck: Well, yes! Well, some of these are almost verbatim in
spots.
Mr. Wiggins: They are.
Ms. Derbeck: Yes, although they left out large parts of the discussions
by the Councilman.
Mr. Brownell: Mr. Terry Miller's requests on these Minutes are contained
on Page 3, the Minutes of the Special Meeting of the 29th.
Ms. Derbeck: The comments made in these Minutes of the 29th is all in
regard to parking. I think he asked other questions too
that are not in the Minutes.
Mr. Wi ins: Well, I think there is a procedural matter here too that
needs some consideration, if I can stick my 'oar' in.
(To the Chair): By your leave?
Mr._INimtz: Yes, go ahead.
Mr. Wi ins: The fact is that we operate very loosely in terms of the
Roberts Rules of Order.
You will find throughout all of these Minutes, comments
by people, other than the Commissioners -- either at their
own initiative or upon invitation -- none of which is legally
constituting any kind of entitlement.
I think, in fairness, you ought to be as level with this,
and...as you have carried it as far as you have ... with
the idea that these are public meetings with everyone
entitled to attend. This does not really mean that they
have any legal entitlement to participate, beyond what
invitation might be extended to them, and now, there has
been extensive opportunities provided, but the actual
responsibility of what happens here lies with the Commis-
sioners.
Ms. Derbeck: I did not say I was making a formal objection. I just said,
for the record, that I think it should be noted.
Mr. Wi ins: It would seem that if there is a problem here, in terms of
Councilman Miller, he should be the one to be here and ob-
ject!
Ms. Derbeck: No. I'm bringing this up on my own behalf. I know from the
verbal parts of the meeting from the notes that I had taken
that several things were left out.
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2.
AL OF MINUTES (Cont'd
Mr.
Nimtz: Jeanne, I do not recall exactly what was omitted from the
Minutes, but, really, as Don says, we try to let everyone
talk here.
In regard to that last meeting, sure, I tried to adjourn
the meeting, and everyone kept saying something, and the
meeting kept going on. So, I don't think there was any
attempt to shut anybody off the last time. I "did not
try to shut the people off, the last time, at all. We
adjourned the meeting at 11 :20 a.m.
Ms.
Derbeck: I think you did say a couple of times that you were...
... (not audible) ...
Mr.
Nimtz: What ... What...
Mr.
Chenney: We can't hear you.
Mr.
Nimtz: No! No! I...the discussion would die down and then it
would start again, and I just let everybody talk. There
was no attempt to shut anyone off at all the last time,
but...I don't get what you mean?
Ms.
Derbeck: As far as the Minutes go, I am merely making an observa-
tion, and so you know! So that you know that I have
made it for my own records for the Press, as far as it
is concerned, to observe when I have to refer back to
items reported.
I made it, and that is it! I am not asking for the
Commission to take any action.
The
Chair then asked if there are any comments concerning the MINUTES
Min
tes of the April 29, 1975, meeting by the Commissioners. There APPROVED,
bei
g none, Mr. Donaldson made the motion that the Minutes of the SPECIAL MTG.
Spe
ial Meeting of April 29, 1975, be approved. Motion was se- OF APRIL 29,
con
led by Mr. Wiggins and carried. 1975
3. APPROVAL OF CLAIMS
On otion by Mr. Chenney, seconded by Mr. Donaldson and carried,
the claims, as presented, were approved and ordered to be paid,
tot lling: $39,688.01. The claims, as authorized, are:
P.E�A. R -57
Sou h Bend Exterminating Co.
Swe ney, Butler & Simeri
CLAIMS
APPROVED
AS PRESENTED
$ 30.00
426.00
Total 456.00
3. APPLOVAL OF CLAIMS (Cont'd
W" ..
Rea Estate Research Corporation
Solid Waste Disposal ° Department
South Bend Exterminating Co.
South Bend Tribune
Tri County News
Swe ney- Butler & Simeri
Edward J. White, Inc.
Clyde E. Williams & Associates, Inc.
Clyde E. Williams & Associates, Inc. and Environmental
Planning & Design - Joint Venture
Clyde E. Williams & Associates, Inc. and Environmental
Planning & Design - Joint Venture
Total
REDEVELOPMENT REVOLVING FUND
Payroll: April 5, 1975 through April 18, 1975
Ault Camera Shop
The Bobbs Merrill Company, Inc.
Comet Car Wash
Credit Bureau of South Bend - Mishawaka
Dorothy Z. Deane - Petty Cash
Fre man- Spicer Company
Ind ana Bell Telephone Co.
Ind ana & Michigan Electric Co.
Ind ana Truck Wash, Inc.
Int rnational Business Machines Corp.
Jordan Ford
Mak elski Art Shop
Mus ynski Insurance Agency, Inc.
Postmaster
Sea s, Roebuck & Co.
Swe ney, Butler & Simeri
Sea s, Roebuck & Co.
Sou h Bend - Mishawaka Area Chamber of Commerce
MOD L CITIES EXTENDED SERVICES
Relocation Claims
Norj Jane Hill - Elvie Hill (Incidental Expense)
N.D1P. A -10
Total
Northern Indiana Public Service Co.
Sou h Bend Water Works
Swe ney, Butler & Simeri
Total
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$ 3,545.13
20.00
30.00
24.35
25.83
2,122.51
292.35
2,865.55
1,006.43
6,593.45
$ 16,525.60
$ 5,117.08
17.26
24.50
12.75
8.00
56.05
21.02
466.88
71.28
5.50
319.91
86.51
9.25
179.00
52.45
45.41
200.00
18.45
38.21
45.50
6,795.01
$ 178.51
32.79
223.50
434.80
3. APPROVAL OF CLAIMS (Cont'd
4.
BURgAU OF'HOUSING ='E =7 PROJECT
Orri S. Frame & Son, Inc. $ 75.00
Ork n Exterminating Co., Inc. 288.00
Swe ney, Butler & Simeri 31.50
William Parrish - Petty Cash 38.50
Mad son Builders, Inc. and Western State Bank (Contract No. 12) 5,000.00
Madison Builders, Inc. and Western State Bank (Contract No. 2) 51126.00
Total X10,559.00
DISTRICT CAPITAL FUND
Cir le Lumber Company $ 15.72
Factory Tile, Inc. 133.20
Jack Frost Co., Inc. 60.00
Kue t Concrete, Inc 309.65
Total $ 518.57
DISTRICT CAPITAL BONDS OF 1972
Aay
Rent -Alls
$ 136.00
Acm
Air - Filter Service
8.00
Akt
ve Sales and Service, Inc.
19.50
B.
B. Trash Removal
32.00
Cir
le Lumber, Inc.
29.33
Flags
International
291.49
Indiana
Bell Teleph one Company
48.46
C. L.
Lee Company
16.07
Sears,
Roebuck & Company
5.08
Sei
er Safe and Lock Service
4.00
South
Bend Hardware
149.10
Sou
hlawn Ford Tractors & Equipment, Inc.
1,350.00
Wat
on, Inca
2,310.00
Total
4,399.03
GRAND TOTAL
$ 39,688.01
a.
ICATIONS
HUD letter dated April 17, 1975: This letter, over the
signature of Mr. Stephen J. Havens, Acting Director,
Community Planning and Development, Indianapolis Area
Office, advises that based on our letter and recent
conversations with their office, approval is granted for
extending Projects Indiana R -66 and R -57 (Central Downtown
Urban Renewal Project and LaSalle Park Urban Renewal Pro-
ject, respectively) to June 20, 1976. A firmer close -out
date will be established at a later date.
CLOSE -OUT DATES
EXTENDED FOR
PROJECTS R -66 &
R -57, TO 6 -20 -76
4. COMMUNICATIONS (Cont'd)
b. HUD Regional Office letter dated April 18,1975: This letter,
over the signature of Ms. Mary M. Dangles, Legal Financing
Officer, Office of Regional. Counsel, Region V, Chicago, ad-
vises in connection with the sale of our forthcoming issue
of Project Notes, they will submit, on our behalf, to The
Daily Bond Buyer, data setting forth the information to be
inserted in the Notice of Sale to be published therein. The
information will be incorporated'in a consol- idated Notice of
Sale which will include similar information with "respect to
all Local Issuing Agencies selling Project Notes at this time,
as well as all the conditions applicable to the sale.
Also enclosed were HUD Form 9402, suggesting we prepare the
form of proposal and distribute copies to each local bank
and to other prospective purchasers, even though local adver-
tising is not required by local law.
The canvassing of bids will be at 1:00 p.m., Eastern Daylight
Savings Time, on May 20, 1975, in the Office of the Depart-
ment, for Project Indiana R -66, First Series 1975 Project Notes,
in the amount of $6,745,000.00, with a closing date of June 17,
1975, and a maturity date of June 11, 1976.
Immediately upon the canvassing of the bids, they must be
called into their Chicago Office for their authorization
and awarding to the low bidder and the processing of the
Project Notes.
C. HUD letter dated April 25, 1975: This letter, over the signa-
ture of Mr. Stephen J. Havens, Acting Director, Community
Planning & Development Division, Indianapolis Area Office, ad-
vises the revised Invitation for Bids, Addenda Nos. 2 and 3,
and revised Engineer's Cost Estimate, submitted with our
letter dated April 14, 1975, have been reviewed and approved
for advertising, for the Colfax Pier Park Contract, R -66.
They will await our submittal of the award package, with a
total of five (5) items requested to be included in the
mailed packet.
d. HUD letter dated April 259 1975: This letter, over the signa
ture of Mr. Daniel B. Bowman, Acting Director, Housing Pro-
duction and Mortgage Credit Division, Indianapolis Area Office,
advises the updated Wage Decision for Contract II -E, in the
Central Downtown Renewal Project, for the Paving Force Account
and Contractual Work on Curbs and Sidewalks, is IN75 -2028,
dated February 7, 1975, and currently in effect Enclosed
also is Modification No. 1, dated March 7, 1975.
FIRST SERIES
1975 PROJECT
NOTES, R -665
$6,745,000.00
COLFAX PIER
PARK, R -66
WAGE RATE
DECISION FOR
CONTRACT II -E,
R -66
e.
HUD
letter "dated April 28; 1975: This letter,
over the signa-
PHILADELPHIA,
ture of Mr. James E. Armstrong, Area Director,
directed to
INC., RELOCA-
Mr.
Andrew Poledor with a copy to this office,
is in regard
TION PAYMENT,
to
Philadelphia, Inc.'s request to HUD for a re-
determination
R -66
of
their relocation payment. After reviewing
every aspect of
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4. COMMUNICATIONS (Cont_'
their claim, Mr. Armstrong stated they can find no basis to
change the decision made by HUD in their letter of February
16, 1974.
A review was made by the HUD Relocation Specialist and the
guidelines on the Direct Property Loss Payment set forth in
HUD Regulations, Section 42.70, are unchanged. The guidelines
state, the amount of the Direct Property Loss is based on the
lesser of the Fair Market Value for continued use on the esti-
mated moving expenses as determined by the 'A enc .
The letter states the LPA has conformed to HUD guidelines and
has made every effort to make the maximum relocation payment
allowable in this case. Thus, HUD does not concur in their
request for payment of $68,671.75. HUD authorizes payment of
$47,488.00, as approved by the LPA. This is to constitute
payment in full.
Under established grievance procedures, Mr. Armstrong informed
Mr. Poledor that he has the right to seek Judicial review.
f. HUD letter dated April 30, 1975: This letter, over the signa-
ture of Mr. James E. Armstrong, Area Director, advises the
Department of Housing and Urban Development is responsible
for assuring that local agencies carrying out HUD assisted
activities involving displacement, comply with the Uniform
Relocation Act, and the Department's implementing regulations.
To accomplish this purpose, their Relocation Specialist made
a relocation progress and performance evaluation of our Urban
Renewal Projects, Indiana R -66 and R -57, and N.D.P. Project
Indiana A -10, on April 17 and 18, 1975.
Consultation with our Relocation Staff and a random sampling
of our relocation files and records was made in conjunction
with this evaluation.
The evaluation included a determination as to the degree of
compliance by the LPA with the items and conditions of the
contract, and with the pertinent regulations, policies, and
procedures of the Department of Housing and Urban Development
governing the Relocation Assistance Program. The evaluation
revealed that our Relocation Assistance Program "is being
carried out in an acceptable manner."
g. HUD Regional Office letter dated May 2, 1975: This letter,
over the signature of Mr. Richard A. Kaiser, Assistant Re-
gional Administrator for Community Planning and Development,
Region V, Chicago Office, advises Requisition No. 8 for Pro -
ject Capital Grant Progress Payment, for Contract No. Indiana
R- 66(LG) that was transmitted with our letter of March 21,
1975, has been approved, in the amount of $3,384,012.00. The
approved amount represents payments of 95% of the earned grant.
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RELOCATION
ASSISTANCE
PROGRAM
EVALUATED
CONTRACT NO.
IND. R- 66(LG)
GRANTS APPROVED
4. COMMUNICATION'S (Copt'd
Requisition No. 7 for Relocation Grant Payment, same Contract
Project, has been approved, in the amount of'$9,282.00.
Check No. 6,824,073 dated May 5,`1975, has been received, in
the amount of $3,393,294.00, drawn on the Treasurer of the
United States to the depository designated and authorized by
our Agency, for deposit only for Project Temporary Loan,
drawn for: "Repayment. Fund Project IN R -66 Contract Indiana
R- 66(LG)." The check is to be recorded as a receipt in the
Project Temporary Loan Repayment Fund.
Mr. Brownell said what this means is that instead of owing
$10,150,000.00, we will only owe $6,745,000.00, as a result
of getting the Progress Grant Payments above.
President Nimtz further added this has been a result of pro-
longed meetings both by Mayor Miller and Mr. Brownell, and
the staff here, in Indianapolis, Chicago, etc. This is a
tremendous credit that we have received here. Commissioner
Wiggins also added that it will save time and a lot of money
and interest.
In reference to Ms. Derbeck's question if this amount is
what was discussed previously for the Project Notes, and Mr.
Brownell replied the $6,745,000.00 relates to the First Series
1975 Project Notes that we will be canvassing bids on May 20,
1975, discussed udner 4b above, and advertised in The South
Bend Tribune on April 29 and May 6, 1975.
h. International Constructors Company letter dated May 8, 1975:
This letter is over the signature of Mr. James McCutcheon,
President, relating to Block 6 proposed development change,
for Project Indiana R -66. Mr. John C. Fleck, the developers
architect, with Fleck & Hickey, Inc., architects, in LaPorte,
Indiana, brought the letter in this morning and the site plan
for Block 6 revised land use, to present to the Commissioners
and the public in this mornings meeting.
Mr. Brownell read the letter in its entirety. It is summarized
for the minutes.
This is to formally request "Block 6" be offered for bid. If
it is possible to accept the bid subject to later change in land
use designation, we would be happy to bid immediately in order
to accelerate this program. Your serious consideration of this
alternative is requested.
We hereby request a change in land -use designation. A minor
land use change is necessary to permit construction of a motel
and restaurant in addition to the current designation, and to
permit an increase in the number of residential units to a
number in excess of 200 as hereinafter suggested. We under-
stand that your approval of our proposed projects will be re-
quired prior to transfer of title, and must conform to all
zoning requirements then in effect.
PROPOSED
DEVELOPMENT
CHANGE, BLOCK
6, R -66
4. COMMUNICATIONS (Cont'
Projected is a 150 -room luxury motel with a prestigious
restaurant and cocktail lounge, occupying approximately
4.5 acres. This is proposed to be a Midway Motor Lodge
and a Hoffman House Restaurant The construction time
is approximately 12; months ; with'the anticipated opening
to be no later than the completion of the Century Center.
Construction could begin as early as this fall, but certainly
no later, than the sp ring 'of 1976. A 20,000 sq. ft. office
building, adjacent and possibly attached to the motel, with
tennis courts to provide recreation for motel occupants and
apartment residents.
Approximately 4.5 acres is to be reserved for future office
and commercial development, as needed, to meet the require-
ments of the South Bend business community. We are prepared
to build and lease, lease the land only, or sell the land
for the purchaser to build, depending upon the interest shown.
We believe some construction coulld begin as soon as the motel
is started, but the total development of this area might not
be determined for 6 - 12 months thereafter. We would, of course,
expect to obtain Commission approval for specific projects that
would be considered.
100 luxury apartments on approximately 4.5 acres, with construc-
tion here not expected to begin until the middle of '76, and
some change in number of units and type of construction may
be necessary to accommodate the housing market at that time.
An 11 to 14 story high -rise apartment project for the elderly
occupying approximately two acres - -to include 150 -200 units,
depending upon the allocation provided in HUD advertisement
they they expect to be released in the near future. Because
we feel this is important to South Bend, we would assure you
that we will build the high -rise elderly beginning this fall,
if we are the successful bidder. If another bid is successful,
we would make the land available at same cost basis as we in-
clude in our bid and subject to your approval of the project
as designed by others. This could be the first project to
begin construction, assuming they are successful in purchasing
the land and obtaining the HUD award by September 1, 1975.
"We appreciate your cooperation in making this project move as
quickly as possible. We think it is not only important to the
South Bend community to have construction begin this year, but
it will be helpful to us in obtaining favorable interest rates
and construction prices."
Photographs of some of their Midway Hotels, as they exist in other
cities, were also shown.
The following questions were asked of Mr. Fleck and the various
responses are shown:
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4. COMMUNICATIONS (font'
Mr. Schrager: With the Royal Inn only about 35% occupied, how would you
propose to finc-;nce another .150 -room 'motel?
Mr. Fleck: Full development of Block 6 is contingent upon successful
grants for the downtown area. It's success, of course, is
predicated upon the protocol of the downtown, as well as with
the Civic Center:
Mr. Nimtz: As I understand it, your feeling is not yours, but the princi-
pals involved, and that with'the Civic Center there would be
sufficient clientele, and that neither installation would be
hurt?
Mr. Fleck: That's correct. Yes, sir.
Mr. Hoy: Do you propose to put any retail businesses down there, or
just offices?
Mr. Fleck: No. No retail businesses. As we say, the Block 6 is now de-
signated as Service Commercial /Residential. We feel that is
somewhat restrictive in terms of the total highest, best land -
use development of Block 6.
What we are suggesting is that it still be retained for those
service- oriented commercial businesses, but expanded to include
a motel and also the need for more numbers of residential units.
Particularly, I don't think, at the time, that the high -rise
elderly was considered for that block. That, in itself, would
be 150 to 200 units, and would then make it impossible to pro-
vide any other kinds of luxury apartments, or apartment units,
in the Block 6 area. We found the present "category of classi-
fications would be subject to your approval in that area.
Mr. Caesar: It was my understanding at the other meeting that Midway Motor
Lodge wants to build a motel here. Is that right?
Mr.lFleck: Yes, sir.
Mr.ICaesar: It is their idea?
Mr. IFleck: Yes, sir.
Mr. Nimtz: Janet, did I see your hand up? You haven't asked a question
here for a long time.
Mrs Allen: If you are to separate the motel from the apartments- -which
should be - -you are only going to have office space or Service
Commercial in there, and you cannot. I don't think you should
consider an 11- or 14 -story high -rise for elderly. Luxury
apartments, yes, because they... but for the elderly you have
to remember they might have to walk down a fire escape- -WALK,
not in the elevator.
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4. COMIUNICATIONS (Cont'd)
Mrs Allen: You also have to remember that if you are going to have elderly
people down there and .luxury apartments, that you must have a
grocery store- -li -ke a commissary= -and a delicatessen, like
they have in Dallas in their apartment complex. Not a drive -in
facility, but have some place where the people can go to get
something to eat, because those folks are not'interested in a
closed office building at night.
Mr. Nimtz: Janet, I am sure they have considered this, but, -I know from
the discussions that I have had, that the thing has to be
economically feasible on a square footage basis. Isn't that
right?
Mr.
Fleck: Right.
Mr.
Nimtz: And there are a lot of things people would like, but when you
are charging minimum rent, there are only certain things that
you can do. Am I putting it correctly?
Mr.
Fleck: Yes, sir. Exactly.
Mr.
Nimtz: I might say and report to the Commission that, although Mr.
Brownell and the staff have been busy on various matters,
including these negotiations with HUD, he and the staff have
been working on things that need to be done concerning this,
because we are not only involved, but the Area Plan Commission
is involved, the City Council is involved, MACOG is involved,
and HUD is involved - -all those agencies have to approve this.
Mr.
Wiggins: The success, or lack of, will be determined by approval of the
people, Janet, and this is a very important element, and I am
sure everyone involved in it has to be aware of it.
Now, when you mention high -rise in terms of this elderly, how
high -rise are we talking about?
Mr.
Fleck: Now, that depends, of course, upon the number of units designated
by HUD to be constructed which may be 150 to 200 units. Now,
therefore, that may be from 11 to 14 stories. Of course, the
times of construction required for a facility of that type are
very restrictive in themselves in terms of fire- proofing, and;
that sort of thing. There really is no other way to develop
a successful project for the elderly, except the high -rise kind
of situation.
We found that the elderly do not necessarily like to be out in an
area where we have plenty of open land and land that is relatively
inexpensive. They need the conveniences that are close at hand,
and, as the lady suggested; commissary, within the direct area
for the sake of convenience, but it needs to be fundamentally
a high -rise type of facility with all the protection you can
provide for it.
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4. COMMUNICATIONS (Cont'd)
Mr. Wiggins: Well, you're talking principally, I assume here, about a
facility that would be rent subsidized in some fashion by
HUD to provide a low -cost housing facility for the elderly.
Mr.lNimtz: This is where you get into the square- footage thing.
Mr. Brownell: I think, with your permission, Don, as I explained to the
Commission, I also have another group of people who are
interested in bidding on Section 8, Elderly Housing, and
they want two acres in this tract', and, of course, they
can't each have two acres. Either one or the other- -the
successful bidder would be the only one that would get it.
They tried to talk to me about getting an option on two
acres, and I said that we have never granted an option
to anybody on land up to now, but, I understand, from Mr.
Fleck this morning that these people have talked to each
other, and if you (speaking to Mr.. Fleck),were successful,
you would be willing to turn the two acres' over to then
to them?
Mr.lFleck: Yes, to both questions.
Mr. Wiggins: Now, basically, are you both talking about the same type
of general construction?
Mr. Fleck: Yes, sir. Let me say, since we first announced our interest
in Block 6, we have had conversations with at least two
potential developers or bidders for the high -rise elderly
project, when it comes out, and both have indicated a major
interest in this site on Block 6, as opposed to the site,
I believe, on the Northwest side of the city area.
Mr. Nimtz: Mr. Brownell, as I understand my discussion with you the
other day, we have no formal letter from the other people,
as yet?
Mr. Brownell: No. No, not as yet.
Ms. Derbeck: Are the other bidders, T. Brooks Brademas? The other
potential bidder?
Mr. Brownell: No. I have no bids from T. Brooks Brademas. I have not
talked to T. Brooks Brademas.
Ms. Derbeck: We were talking about another person Who was it?
Mr. Brownell: There was more than one person really, but 'I have just not
given you the names because they haven't made any public
statement, as yet.
Mr. `limtz: Do the Commissioners have any other questions they want to
ask?
(There being no further questions on this item, the Com-
mission moved to the next item.)
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4. COMMUNICATIONS (Cont'd
i. City Development Company letter dated April 2$; 1.975: This CITY DEVELOP -
letter is'from Mr. Allen E. Schrager, Partner of this firm, MENT COMPANY
addressed to Mr. F. Jay Nimtz, President of the Board of
Redevelopment Commissioners`, with copies to all the Commis-
sioners and Mr. Brownell.
This letter was not on the Agenda. Mr. Schrager requested the
communication be shown as received'; which is for approving the
proposed plans fo thE: Ri`ver..Bend Development Group and further
stating they own downtown properties as follows l) Commerce
Building, 2) JMS Building, 3)'JMS Building Annex, 4) Washington
and Michigan Building, 5`) 127 North Michigan Street, and 6) Michi-
gan and Wayne Building.
Mr. Schrager further says they own two properties which he states
would be required for the project, namely, the former American
National Bank Building at Michigan and Washington Streets and
127 North Michigan Street.
He states for the Redevelopment Commission to agree to acquire
these propE,rties for the River Bend Development Group would,
in effect, be giving them an option on his properties.
He said they would be willing to meet with the developer and dis-
cuss a sale; however, he requests the properties not be put on the
acquisition list.
Mot on was made by Mr. Wiggins that the above communications be received
and placed on file. Motion was seconded by Mr. Donaldson and carried.
5. OLDIBUSINESS
a. Suggestion for River Bend Plaza from River Bend Plaza Advisory
Committee: Mr. Louis N. Wilcox, Director, River Bend Plaza, said
that it had been the desire of the Commissioners that the River
Bend Plaza Advisory Committee make some determination as to which
one of the several plans presented for the development of the
remaining blocks would be favored by the Committee. At their
Advisory Committee meeting on May 6, Mr. Wilcox advised that. a
motion was made by Mr. Richard Russell of thE: Advisory Committee
that the Committee recommend immediate adoption of Plan "D" of
the presented alternatives, to include two, 30 x 30 stages, which
would be controlled by hydraulic lifts. The motion was seconded
by Mr. Allen Schrager, and passed by unanimous vote by the Com-
mittee. Those plans are in the office of Mr. Brownell now and
were displayed to the audience at the Special Meeting.
Commissioner Wiggins said that at the meeting that we held, an
indication was made that the public would be invited to attend
the River Bend Plaza Advisory Committee meeting, and asked if
there was any substantial participation on the part of the public
or others? And if they had any input', and were , they -afforded an
opportunity to give input?
=M.
PLAN "D"
TABLED FOR
NEXT COMMIS-
SION MEETING,
5 -23 -75
5. OLD BUSINESS'(Cont'd)
Mr. Louis Wilcox said that as to the substantial participation,
the answer was "No." However., there was some. The meeting was
a free and open-meeting'and Mr. Oesterling of''C1yde E. Williams &
Associates presented the various plans at the meeting and made
the explanations very simple and took an adequate amount of time
to explain many of the questions that were asked, and that there
was a substantial number.
Commissioner Wiggins asked if the feeling was pretty generally in
accord with the motion that was made and that has been presented
to the Commission here, to which Mr. Wilcox replied, "I would say,
yes.
President Nimtz said that we can get into a discussion from now
until Noon about this stage, and we don't want to do that at this
time, but stated to Mr. Soltesz, "I know that one of the big dis-
agreements is going to be concerning the proposed stage and what
the estimate is. As I understand it, you have a figure of around
$37,000 and, of course, I think we have had a figure of`anywhere's
up to $200,000 ?" Mr. Brownell said, "the cost is stated in differ-
ent ways: One of the costs that the architect thinks it will be,
is a continuing cost each year, of up to close to $50,000 a year,
and, I think, this has to be explored and we have to find out where
we are going to land, before we can proceed with it, and I have
asked Mr. Oesterling to make himself available -- either before or
at our next Commission meeting."
President Nimtz asked Mr. Soltesz if he could be available for con-
sultation and Mr. Soltesz said that he can be. The Chair asked
Mr. Soltesz to state his position on this stage, as he knows there
was some discussion at the Advisory Meeting on this subject.
Mr. Soltesz stated: "I would only like to say this: That if those
of us that are involved in industry had to forecast our expenditures
in a manner in which this was presented, and I happen to know, as
an adversary of mine is sitting across the table there - -Mr. C. Wayne
Brownell- -that if these figures that were presented to us would be
accurate, none of us would be in business here, and we would be
manufacturing nothing here in the City of South Bend, or St. Joseph
County::: That is my only comment that I have to make."
President Nimti stated that he is sure that the Commissioners will go
into this very thoroughly because we want to do what needs to be done
there, and Mr. Soltesz replied: "I know you do, Mr. Chairman." The
President said we are in a great divergence here on costs. Mr. Brownell
said he wanted to explain Ed's remark: "Ed represented the union,
and I represented the management."
The Chair asked Mr. Soltesz, "What about relocation of the utilities
down there ?" and Mr. Soltesz said, "I do not think it is apropros."
The Chair's question on whether he has talked it over with Mr. Oester-
ling, Mr. Soltesz advised, "Yes, we have talked about it and we have
talked it over several months, and it hasn't been a problem, and much
to our surprise, the costs for moving all of these items ... but one thing
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I am glad of, Mr. Chairman, is that the overlay of the utilities has
finally come out for discussion that Mr. Kagel and the rest of us
have asked to know where shut -offs for electrical apparatus and
gas, and everything else is. It is now out where we can see it,'�
so we did achieve something for a $4,000 income--$4,000 for the
engineering outlet." Mr. Kagel said "Absolutely. We should re-
ceive this report and then we have to obviously consider this matter
again."
Mr. Wiggins made the motion this item be placed on the Agenda for
the May 23rd meeting, seconded by Mr. Donaldson and carried.
Mr. Chenney asked how they are going to go on th s $37,000 estimate
that they have; have no papers we don't know what companies bid
on it; we don't know anything about it. He didn't think the engineers
that work for Bendix are going to come out here and are qualified to
make this thing; they are not in the construction industry. Mr.
Wiggins said this is what we are going to hear about and decide at
our next meeting, on the 23rd, and that is one of the reasons for
having all the people who are interested here at the meeting to
present their opinions.
To this reply Mr. Soltesz angryly replied, "Now, just a minute:"
Mr. Chairman: Now, just for your information, 'yes, we are in the
construction business out there at the Bendix Corporation,'and conse-
quently, we have just as many civil engineers, and architectural
engineers as that in any industry around here -- including Wheelabrator,
Ball Band, Dodge, and others:" Mr. Chenney said, "Oh, I know that,
sure. I'm not disputing that. You're working for Bendix; that's
what I said. I'm not disputing that."
The Chair asked if the Commissioners or the Director were at the
River Bend Advisory Committee, last Tuesday. None were. It was
election day. Mr. Wilcox and Mr. Soltesz attended.
The Chair advised Mr. Chenney that he will be the Presiding Officer
at the next meeting. Mr. Nimtz will be out of town.
The motion was that this item be placed on the Agenda for the May 23rd
meeting for public discussion and hearing, and motion so carried.
6. NEW I BUS I
a. Request for Paving Bricks, Block 6, R -66: This is a formal
request placed on the Agenda, from Southhold Restorations, Inc.,
Mrs. Ruth Price, Executive Di rector, dated' April 30, 1975, to
the Redevelopment Commission to have permission to.remove the
paving brick east of the Post Office for use at Tippecanoe
Place. "We are quite aware that brick of this type has value -
particularly to various individuals who are currently helping
themselves to them -with or without your permission."
PAVING BRICK
REQUEST, FROM
SOUTHHOLD RE=
STORATIONS,
INC., R -66
6. NEWIBUSINESS (Cant'd
—r-
Southhold is trying to redevelop the Tippecanoe Place and
thE: condition of the driveway and parking.lot is quite deplor-
able, and if they were permitted to use the brick to repave
the drive, it would be entirely in -'keeping with the street
surface material of the period. It would also be using the
brick where the general public would derive benefit from it...
This would help maintain the mansion in its historical context.
They have a commitment from the City for summer workers and
they would be used in the project.
President Nimtz stated, "I also wear a hat at Southhold and
will not participate in any action here on this subject, and
now will turn the meeting over to the Vice President to Chair
this portion of the meeting."
Presiding Officer, Vice President Mr. John E. Chenney, inquired
if the paving bricks are separate from the other bricks? Mr.
Brownell said they are in a street and have never been torn
up. Commissioner Wiggins asked if any quantity of these bricks
that have been removed and have been stored elsewhere? Mr.
Brownell answered that some of the bricks have been removed
by theft and hauled away. It is in Block 6, off the old L.W.E.,
the old Columbia Street that is closed, west of the old Columbia
warehouse.
Mr. Wilcox suggested if the Commission is going to do anything
about this request for the bricks, he would suggest it be done
as quickly as possible, as he has personally talked to people
wanting to take the bricks away and they told him that we do not
own them and that they are entitled to take them. At the rate
the bricks are disappearing, they will not be available for the
future.
Mr. Brownell said that Mr. Rollin Farrand, the City Engineer,
wants the bricks for city use, wherein Mr. Slabaugh stated that
the street is not city owned; it belongs to Redevelopment; that
this Department acquired the whole area. 'Mr. Gene Evans, Execu-
tive Secretary of the Civic Planning Association, said that
Southhold would have a problem because they are acquiring owner-
ship, but do not intend to move there until the end of the summer.
In the meantime if it is made known that Southhold will get it,
others may move in and take the bricks, and "I don't know how
you can protect the bricks from being taken." Mr. Nimtz said
Southhold would pick up the bricks within two weeks.
Mr. Kevin J. Butler, Commission Legal Counsel, said that "we own
the property. The street has not been vacated, so the City still
has the right to the bricks We are in the process of filing a
petition for the right of the street; then we would own the bricks."
Commissioner Wiggins made the recommendation that Mrs. Price make
the request to the'Board of Works direct, and Mrs. Janet S. Allen
requested, "You make the suggestion; don't wait for Ruth to do it."
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6. NEWIBUSINESS (Cont'd)
Commissioner Wiggins stated that he will be glad to refer this
to the Board of Works with our recommendation that the bricks
be given to Southhold,'and further that the Board of Works give
further consideration for .the conservation of the bricks`; if
it means the removal and storage some place, so be it! Com-
missioners all concurred, and the statement was requested to
be made the motion by Mr. Wiggins, seconded by Mr. Donaldson
and carried.
It was also suggested that mounds of dirt be placed on top of
the bricks; however, in jest it was stated by several that the
dirt would be taken first, then the bricks.'
b. Commercial Lease: Commission approval was requested for a COMMERCIAL
Commercial Lease between the Department of Redevelopment and LEASE
the Department of Public Works, Division of Facilities, Bureau
of Municipal Parking of the City of South Bend; 'to use Disposi-
tion Parcels 4 -1, 4 -31, 4 -32, 4 -78 and 4 -79 for surface park-
ing, commencing May 5, 1975, on a month -to -month basis, in
amount of $1.0.00 per month. Project Indiana R -66.
Mr. Butler defined the parcels as: 4 -1, 4 -32 and 4 -31 is
the entire area east of Michigan Street, across the street
from Wymans; Disposition Parcels: 4 -78 and 4 -79 are the service
drives.
Motion for the approval of the above Commercial Lease was made
by Mr. Chenney, seconded by Mr. Donaldson and carried.
Commissioner Wiggins said he is concerned with the approval
of the motion of the lease. What happens to other property
that we have previously leased to them from the Civic Center?
Mr. Brownell advised that we sold the land called for the
Century Center and these have been used for parking. We are
closing off the monthly parking and moving south where the
old School Administration Building was. This particular lease
will not be for monthly parking; this will be for people who
want to come downtown and they will have this parking area for
parking. It will be metered parking for people to shop etc.
Mr. John Paulson, owner of the Hans- Rintzsch Luggage Shop, asked
"if the "hole -in -the- ground' (the amphitheaterY, will it be filled
and graveled off ?"
Presiding Officer, President: Nimtz, back chairing the meeting,
said, "This is the old question of parking. Parking is the City's
responsibilities because of the bond issue for the parking. garages;
they have certain legal commitments. The parking meter monEy is
pledged to the payment of the bonds, so any question of parking and
free parking is a city responsibility, and they have to watch their
legal commitment to the bond holders. Is this right, Counselor ?"
Mr. Butler responded, "That is absolutely correct! " President Nimtz
said that Kevin Butler-has researched this matter and that is why
it was done that way. Motion carried.
lwklm
6. NEWIBUSINESS (Cont'd
c.
Resolution No. 512: This Resolution authorizes the execution RESOLUTION
of the Redevelopment Agreement for the disposition of land and NO. 512
the execution of Quit- C1.aim Deed..for the transfer of title ADOPTED,
thereto in connection wits Parcel.Nos. 15 -9, 15 -10 and 1 /2.of R -57
15 -11, to C. E. Stafford, in acquisition amount of $1,123.00,
Project Indiana R -57. The parcels are located on Dundee Street.
On motion by Mr..Chenney, seconded by Mr. Wiggins and carried,
Resolution No. 512 was adopted, and the President and`Secre-
tary authorized to execute.
d.
Pool and Fountain'Work: Commission authorization was re- PAYMENT
quested for approval to pay for the work performed by Colip AUTHORIZED
Electric Company, for pool and fountain start -up, to the FOR POOL &
amount of $2,600. °00, Phase I'II, Project.Indiana R -66. FOUNTAIN
START -UP,
Per Mr. Bill Slabaugh, Department of Public Works, and the RIVER BEND
Project Engineer, had the cost of the work verified with PLAZA, R -66
Colip Electric, on May 8, to be: Labor, $1,750.00;
Materials, $850.00, or a total charge of: $2,600.00.
Mr. Brownell asked Mr. Slabaugh to give a report on why the
work was required.
Mr. Slabaugh referred to a letter from Mr. Raul Saavat of
Clyde E. Williams & Associates, Inc., professional engineer
and consultant for us, in letter dated April.21, 1975, and
"he stated in here that new ground fault interrupting -type
circuit breakers have been installed on these pools."
Mr. Slabaugh added that "they spent some $3,900 - -at no charge
to you - -in installing those, and while they were installing
them, they found water down in the panels. Clyde E. Williams
got a letter from Colip Electric - -while Col,ip was installing
this - -and I would like to read part of that letter, because
it seems that everybody got a copy of Clyde Williams' letter,
but NOBODY got a copy of Colip's letter." Quote from letter:
"On April 9, 1975, we replaced all of the ground fault breakers
for pool lights in pools C, D, E and I." (C is at Western; D
is at Dainty -Maid; E is in front of St. Joseph Travel Agency;
and I is at Morris Civic). "Our electrician discovered water
in the panel board for Pool I lights and his further inspection
indicated someone had failed to seal the cable openings when
the lights were removed for the winter."
Mr. Slabaugh added, "If you remember, that is the same pool "I"
that had a tree on it, from the Advisory Committee's tree decora-
tions, and it happened in a.couple of places. We weren't in-
formed that those tree lgihts were going to be set up there in
time to actually do `something about it, and we couldn't make
the proper inspection -- though I am not blameless there - -I could .
probably have gone to the Advisory meetings, etc. At any rate,
when your consultant, Raul Salvat from Clyde E. Williams, got
that information, he wrote this letter that indicated that certain
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things should be done to protect the panels which are down below,
as far as the elevation is concerned, or down below these lights,
there is a little pinhole where the water can trickle down and
get into these panels. So Colip in doing this work - -1 asked him
all through his work time, which took a week and a day- -that
he advise me and recommend to us what we should do to prevent this
in the future, and he said that even though Kim and I have their
manual, and everybody is welcome to see it; they are the manufac-
turers. They told us how to prepare the pools, and even 'though we
didn't have all the time that we should have had to do it, we should
have, at least, kept the water out of the panels. Then Colip told
me that we should put waterproof coverings over those pools, before
the trees were set on the pools, to keep the water out of the pools
and not take the lights out, and to hrre Colip to periodically- -
say, two or three times a month - -to check and make sure that the
water is kept out of the panels from the pools - -any snow water or
ice - -and there are heaters to keep all the distribution panels and
all the pool pit panels dry; that is, moisture free, and.that we
would check them every day and they would check them periodically
to make sure that everything is functioning properly. They would
mark them so that we would turn them on; we were manned to do that.
If we keep the water out, we will not have this repeat cost. I
wrote my annual report in advance, practically covering that.
President Nimtz.asked for any comments o
of the Commission, to which Commissioner
I am glad to hear that it appears that w e
situation, because I think this probably
of the breakdown of the pools in the pas
tr questions by the members
Wiggins responded, "Well,
are now on top of the
was one of the big causes
year."
Mr. Slabaugh responded, "That's right! They had a low - threshhold
ground circuit breaker and there are some technical things that went
into that; I believed they weren't necessary to go in there then,
but they are now. But, at the time this contract was written,
it wasn't necessary to have them, but the pedestrians down there
have a conditional safety - -if they touch a hot wire, the ground
vault is going to go and not the pedestrian (audience responded
with laughter). I know it sounds sort of heartless, but it's very
true.
President Nimtz said that Mr. Soltesz had a discussion with him
the other day on this matter. "Mr. Soltesz, I'll call on you."
Mr. Ed Soltesz, Chairman of the Governmental Coordination Committee
of the River Bend Plaza Advisory Committee, said, "Sometime back,
I sat in this same meeting and opposed the payment-to Hickey's for
the completion of the pools, and I stated, at that time, that there
were many things wrong with the pool area, and I'said that there
were cracks, fissures in the pool down by Dainty -Maid; also, on the
electrical aspect of what was wrong with the pools. I- was told, at
that time, that the only thing that remained to be done with those
pools was the inclusion of a motor that had to be re- wound, and
the pools would be ready to be run on April 15th. Is that right,
Mr. Slabaugh, it's a matter of record!"
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6. NEW OUSINESS (Cont'd)
Mr. Slabaugh stated, "I said, 'if' and the 'if' was- -and Helen wrote
it down in the Minutes with a 'big if.' We had a three-year warranty,
which we are trying to guarantee here:
Response from Mr. Soltesz,' "Well, -you see, warrantees are tike anything
else, and this was my point t: Now, we have a figure here of $2,600.00.
In this $2,600.`00, the employees - -your employees= -AND my witness is
sitting right in this room, and we WERE TOLD to remove the covers off
of these same fountains, that are now being talked about by Colip in
his letter--Charlie Col'p wrote the letter--and also the other letter
that you speak of - -1 have copies of BOTH- -and in there it was specifi-
cally stated that the instructions were not followed.in the preparation
of the pools. Now, there was not a determination.....
Mr. Slabaugh: "This is NOT a Hickey Contract::" Mr. Soltesz: "I didn't
interrupt YOU:, Mr. SLABAUGH, when you had the floor: Mr. Chenney: "You're
getting a little rough, boys:
The Chair said "All right, go ahead." ...to which a heated rebuttal
ensued. Mr. Slabaugh stated, -I am the Project Engineer, sir. I am in
the Redevelopment area:" and Mr. Soltesz's retort was, "AND I happen to
be the taxpayer, Sir; JUST remember that:" The Chair's gavel to maintain
order in the meeting was ignored, with more heated rebuttels.
The Chair requested Bill Slabaugh to complete his report. Mr. Slabaugh
said "this was not a Hickey contract. Hickey is the general contractor
on Contract No. 5; Colip was their subcontractor. But Colip put these
pools in order so that they run and so that they can be under warranty.
Actually there was one part that was stolen; one of those pool lights was
stolen and that's in here.. It is not indicated in the detailed breakdown;
it will be in his bill, so, if we are saying that Colip shouldn't be paid;
if that is what is coming from the outside, you recognize as someone who
is not completing my report, then all I am doing is asking for your ap-
proval to pay Colip for the work that they DID to insure that we would
have a Maintenance bond, which we will probably lose if it wasn't done."
The Chair asked Bill if he is through now, and Bill Slabaugh said he is
through if that's all that is required for him to explain.
President Nimtz said the Commissioners had no questions at thE! time he
had called for the Commissioners' comments, and '°Do the Commissioners
have any .comments now ?" Commissioner Chenney asked if Colip's have done
the work, to which Mr. Slabaugh answered, "Yes, Sir." and Mr. Chenney
said that is all he wanted to know. The Chair requested Mr. Soltesz
to go ahead with his discussion.
Mr. Soltesz commented; "No. 1, to clear the air. I have no objection
to having the pools running. We've.got $3 Mil -lion Dollars invested; a
little better than.$3 Million, in fact. The citizens of this community
would like to spend some time in utilizing these little pools from the
time that they were turned on and they were not completed;.were not
operating. I understand that they have been turned over to the City in
the interim. Who......" Mr. Slabaugh interrupted., "They have not been
turned over to the City in the City in the interim." Mr. Soltesz's
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6. NEWIBUSINESS (Cont'd)
comment was, "Well, then I stand to be corrected. I understood
from this Commission that sometime in the last several weeks that this
has been turned over -- including the $6,000 that was appropriated for
cleaning these pools., last Januarys by this Commission." Mr. Slabaugh
replied, "Co.ntract'No.' 5 is still an active contract! YOU SAW to that
when you nailed that $8,000.00 down in the Hickey contract. Hickey
still ownes that pool that you are speaking of down there."
The Chair requested that this be cleared, and asked Mr. Brownell, "Are
these the City's responsibility, or are they ours? Mr. Brownell
said they he understood that they have been turned over to the Board
of Works and the Chair said that was his understanding also. Mr. Slabaugh
said, "That is not true, unless you have turned it over since last Monday."
Mr. Brownell said that he had talked to Mr. Farrand about it.
Mr. Butler, Commission Legal Counsel, stated that his understanding is
that the, Commission has never approved that Contract No. 5 - -a completion
certification - -or that a comparable document has never been approved
by this Commission. And if that isn't correct? Mr.` Brownell replied,
"That's right. In other words, there are still some maintenance items
for Hickey to go over. In fact, we held back $8,000 to guarantee that those
would be delivered; and, therefore, we have do not have a completion on
that. Commissioner Wiggins' response, "All right, if not completed, then
can it, in fact, be turned over ?" Mr'. Brownell said that we have tried
to turn over the operation of the fountains to the Board of Works is over
the Plaza authority. The Chair responded that by now, they lost him in
the understanding and he still didn't know, "Are they the City's responsi-
bility, or are they ours? Because when Ed talked to me the other day, I
said it was the City's responsibility." Mr. Brownell said he understood
in talking to Mr. Farrand, that the Plaza Authority, which is appointed
by the Mayor - -the same as the Board of Works- -had taken control of and
were operating the fountains in the Plaza." Mr. Butler replied to Mr.
Brownell's comment, "I think the legal responsibility is ours; we have
the responsibility under the contract." President Nimtz said, "Well,
then I was wrong when I said that to you the other day (speaking to
Mr. Soltesz)."
Mr. Soltesz said that it is quite all right and that it kind of clears the
air. "Then, I am going to ask, "What happened to the $6,000 in chemicals
that.was to be used along with a steam cleaning unit that was appropriated
by this Commission, awarded to the Board of Public Works, and to the
authority of Mr. Slabaugh for the cleaning of these pools ?" Mr. Slabaugh
replied that they are in use daily. The chemicals and all, as they cannot
all be put in the pools at one time.
Mr. Soltesz replied that he is not playing 'Monday morning quarterback'
with this thing, because of the fact that, "I told'you so.' I have been
standing before this Commission and before.these meetings many times talk-
ing about these pools. Now, I received the last phone call on the pools
not operating and the way that they look. We spent quite a bit of money
on the pool by Jefferson Boulevard that has the black stones. I don't
know whether they came from'the Hudson Bay area, or where they came from,
but the people that designed these pools., 'it was 'a thing of novelty!'
Now the pool in itself is not ' black' - -it's gray.' Here's the stone I
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6. NEWIBUSINESS (Cont'd
am talking about. This is from,the.pool;.they'are falling off, and,
consequently, in conversation with'Mr. Brownell, and I'have been
on this thing too; he was informed that the Epoxy that they used has
to be adjusted. This is all well and good; but you don't take any-
thing like this on the mechanical'side of it and'have_ people in your
employ: beat on i,t and knock it off either. Now receiving these com-
ments, I•came down early one morning and ,I took one'of these stones
home- =and Mrs. Janet Al °ten 'has one also. I-took the thing home,
and there isn't.a lady in this community that can't clean the pools,
and, do you know what I used ?` I used 'Sno= Bowl''`and in :three seconds
the stone was clean. There isn't a lady who maintains her -own house-
hold who can't clean these pools.
Now here we are ... with a pool that isn't clean: We've got $6,000
plus expenditures and a steam cleaner, and the pools are still not
clean. The pool was running out there and there are sediments on
the bottom of the pool; it was still there when the pool was turned
on.
"I spoke to Mr. Colip; I spoke to everybody in the city that had
something to do with the pools, including Mr. Farrand. Now, I am
told that the area of controversy is just about over, that the pools
are going to be running. I am glad to hear this. But, yet the
cleaning, as Mr. Colip states, is the basic fundamental. The lights
that are now in the pool do not have the: humus brilliance. The
lighting effect on Pool E - -by Jefferson Boulevard -=the lighting is
so corroded with the same items as the stone you see here (displaying
one of the stones from the pool), that we have all of this expertise
in this community (and I think we ought to have the ladies of this
community come down and clean the pools. Now if any one of these pools
would sit in any of the ladies' living rooms, I am sure they would be
clean, and not at a cost that we are paying). But here, we have all
the expertise of engineers, employees, and everything else, and we
can't get the 'damn job' done. Now it is just that simple:"
"From the time of having a motor to be replaced,to the time of $2,600.00,
is a lot of time, and it's a LOT OF MONEY! Now, who is oing to pay
this $2,600.00; is this going to be the warranty of the 8,000 that is
still there on the pool; or is it something that is going to come out
of the Redevelopment Commission's money NOW, or is it from the Board of
Public Works and Safety? This is the only question I stand to raise!"
President Nimtz asked Commission Legal Counsel what the status of this
contract is and what is holding up the completion?
Mr. Butler said, "The contract has never been certified as completed
by this Commission. We still have a responsibility as the owner under
the contract provisions. We do have a maintenance bond, and, of course,
a contractual guarantee, because a maintenance bond is designated to cover
it. The question, as I understand it, is: Whose responsibility was,.,
what was the cause of the problem whose responsibility was that cause?
As I undertood Bill S1abaugh- -Bill, when you were explaining ity I believe
you are saying that it was not the contractor's fault. 'Th1s occurred after.
Is this our fault - -I say 'ours' collectively--the Engineering Department;
Redevelopment Department ?"
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6. NEW BUSINESS (Cont'd)
Mr. Slabaugh answered Legal Counsel, "It was everybody's fault. The
Advisory Board, during their Christmas tree decorations...."
Mr. Soltesz was requesting the President's attention, and he asked
Ed Soltesz to wait, as Mr.. Wilcox is shaking his head, and saying
'No'.to that. Mr. Wilcox said he wants'to defer answering that
to Soltesz, and the Chair gave Mr Soltesz''permissi'on to speak.
Mr. Soltesz's comment, "Mr. Colip suggested - -Mr. Charles Colip
suggested - -in that letter that you (directed to Bill S1abaugh') have,
and in conversation to it and in addressing to that, that covers
could be utilized of some type to cover those pools. Now, the
cover that was used on that pool was negative; it was constructed::
Insofar as covers on those pools, 'yes,'they should be there, to
negate the fact of throwing things in it."
"My comments as to the pools by the old post office--with the open
grates - -many people that have walked through 'there `have caught
their heels on it, and we are liable for suet in the City-- TODAY --
because of the open gratings that are on it. (Commissioner Wiggins
agreed). There have been suggestions made on this, and it has NOT
been followed through with EITHER: Mr. Wilcox has made this pre-
sentation; it has been brought beofre the Board HERE, and at the
ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETINGS AT THE RIVER BEND PLAZA, AS TO WHAT
HAS TO BE DONE: THIS HAS NOT BEEN IMPROVED UPON AT ALL:"
"The point here, Gentlemen, is this: We have people that are in
charge of the maintenance of these pools NOW, that are not aware
of the job and the responsibility they. have in maintaining them.
This is what it amounts to. To the tune of money- -yes, we have
the money to pay for these things - -but, surely, somewhere along the
line, there should be a brochure out to give to people that are in
charge, to maintain those items that we have to supplement with
'M 0 N E Y S' -- moneys:"
The Chair, at this point entertained a motion that this matter be
referred to Legal Counsel for discussion with the Board of Public
Works and Safety, the City Engineering Department, and report back
at the May 23rd meeting. Also with Colip's. Commissioner Chenney
said, "I thought Kevin Butler just said that it is our responsibility:
Now, listen, this here...I want to speak on this: This has nothing
to do with ...Colip Brothers installed it in the first place, didn't
they? According to the engineers' specifications? "Yes, sir,"
was Mr. Slabaugh's reply -- "Yes, it was according to the plans and
specifications." Commissioner Chenney asked, "And we found out
that it didn't work, that moisture gets in there--the water gets
in there." Mr. Soltesz said, "It was a neglect. with Mr. Chenney
stating, "That's all right; THAT'S not Colip's fault!" Mr. Soltesz
answered, "That's right; You are absolutely right'" Mr. 'Chenney
said, "and now that you got Colip to go ahead and try to fix it,
and he recommended what we do, and now you don't'want`to pay him,
right? Mr. Chenney said he makes that recommendation right now
that Colip be paid; he is not going to turn it over for the future.
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e.
IBUSINESS (Cont'd)
Mr. Kevin J. Butler said, "I think that Mr.'Soltesz's point here
is that in the future we will have to.get a handle on these pools,
because they are 'DAMN' costly.::'.They are too costly to operate
and maintain." Commissioner Wiggins said, "We want to.be sure
that we don't continue to:make the''same boo- boo's' and pay the
same price over and over again. I don't think that anyone can
quarrel with that.
The Chair requested a motion for the payment for this work that
has been done. Mr. Chenney made'the motion that this bill be
allowed and paid to Colip's (The bill has not been submitted;
the amount quoted by Mr. Slabaugh i's: $2,600.00). Motion was
seconded by Mr. Wiggins and carried.`
The response to the Chair's, "Any further questions ? ", Mr.
Gene Evans stated he was curious as to why this was not pre -
sented as a Change Order to the Contract, since it is an active
contract. Mr. Wiggins said it is not a change order it is for
additional work that was not in the specifications. Mr. Chenney
said it was installed according to the original specifications and
we found out that it didn't work, that moisture got in there and
it shorted out. Mr. 'Brownell said, "I don't believe it is any part
of the contract. Mr. Evans then asked, "It is out of the funds that
would normally pay for the contracts? Commissioners Chenney and
Wiggins replied, "No. Mr. Wiggins said this is actually maintenance
to a degree in that they had to undue the water damage.
The Chair said the motion is that this be allowed and ordered to be
paid and with no further discussions, the motion is made and carried.
Mr. Slabaugh requested from the Chair he be permitted to answer to
one point. "The material that Mr. Soltesz used, I did the same
things. I used hydrochloric acid; he used hydrochloric acid; and
it snowballed. 15% hydrogen chloride - -it's hydrochloric acid;
muriatic. acid. Muriati,c acid eats up..." At this point, Mr. Soltesz
interrupted!Mr. Slabaugh, and said, "That's not right:: Hydrochloric
is not muriatic acid, Mr. Slabaugh, just for the clarification of the
records." Mr. Slabaugh's response was, "Well, according to a little
'geology book' that I have; it is. Muriatic acid is a common name
and hydrochloric acid is specific. At any rate, we used this material
that you are using, and if it seeps down on the concrete, it is going
to eat the concrete out." Some asked, "They do ?" and Mr. Slabaugh
answered, "Yes."
Change Order No. 1 to Rehabilitation Contract No. 10, E -7: Commis-
sion approval was requested of Change Order No. 1 to the Rehabi-
litation Contract No. 10, for an increase in contract amount
of $887.00, with Ted Combs Decoratin— g & Construction Company,
for ork a
wt 613 East Keasey Street, Project E' -7, Bureau of Hous-
ing, for an amended contract total of: $5,377:40, and no time
change.
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CHANGE
ORDER 1
TO CON-
TRACT 10
APPROVED,
E -7
6. NEW BUSINESS (Cont'd)
Mr. Brownell read the additions': Replace waste lines to the
kitchen sink. Replace P-- trap. Install continuous vent or
Quik -vent. Repair any damage to walls, floors and ceilings,
Item No. 2: Replace waste lines to lavatory in the'bathroom.
Replace P -trap, install continuous vent or Quik= vent to meet
the code requirements. Repair any damage to walls, floors,
and ceilings. Item No. 3: Install all waste and vent piping
according to the South Bend plumbing code, 'connect all joints
in a workmanlike manner.
Mr. Brownell said this damage was not visible until they got
into the rehabilitation work, so we have an extra to the con-
tract of $887.00. Mr. Keitt; Crighton, Director of the Bureau
of Housing, E -7 Program, said this is indicative of the type
of things we,run into with the rehabilitation programs. Many of
the items are not visible on inspection and we just have to kind
of gamble on it until we actually get into the work.
Mrs. Janet S. Allen said, "My question is, as the Council has to
approve anything over $5,000 and when you change a contract
from $4,490 to $5,377 does it not have to go back to the Council
for approval ?" Mr. Brownell said he does not think that it does.
Mr. Crighton said it does not. If it is in the original contract
it is. If we receive the original bid in excess of $5 ;000.00,:
then we have to go before the Council for approval; if the ori-
ginal contract is less, we do not go before the Council. As far
as a change order exceeding the $5,000 amount, we do not need to
go before the Council. The Chair asked our Legal Counsel if he
concurs with that? Mr. Kevin J. Butler: said to Mr. Crighton that
we should check into this. The Commission here can approve it,
and if it has to go to the Council, we will take it to the
Council. Commissioner Wiggins said he concurs and feels this is
a good question and it should be checked.
Motion was made by Mr. Wiggins for the approval of Change Order
No. 1 to Rehabilitation Contract No. 10, for an increase in
contract amount of $887.00, with Ted Combs Decorating & Construc-
tion Company, for an amended contract total of: $5,377.40,
and no time change, and this be subject to Legal Counsel approval
and also Legal Counsel to check if it also requires City Council
approval. Motion seconded by Mr. Chenney and carried.
f. Change Order No. 1 to Rehabilitation Contract No. 32, E -7:
Commission approval was requested of Change,Order No. 1 to
the Rehabilitation Contract No. 32, for an increase in con-
tract amount of $160.50 with Newton Contractors, for work at
713 East K -asey Street, Project E -7, Bureau of Housing, for
an amended contract total of: $3,925. 50, and no time change.
Motion for approval of above Change Order was made by Mr. Wiggins,
seconded by Mr. Donaldson and carried.
CHANGE
ORDER 1 TO
CONTRACT 32
APPROVED,
E -7
6. NEW BUSINESS (Cont'd)
7.
g. Change Order No. 1:to Rehabil:i.tation Contract with Roseland Con- CHANGE
str.ucti.on Co., Inc.', for an increase in contract amount of ORDER NO. 19
$622. <74, for work at 301 Soutt owa Street, in the LaSalle Park R -57 PROJECT
Urnn Renewal Project, Indiana 'R -57, for an amended contract APPROVED
total of; $3;865:74.
This covers work requested by the contractor for additional
work:
1) Install 1/4" underlayment and vinyl asbestos tide in the
den area; and
2) Install new exterior solid cone flush birch door style
303 (3 -stage lite)
Motion for approval of above Change Order was made by Mr. Wiggins,
seconded by Mr. Chenney and carried.
h. Change Order No. 1: to Rehabilitation Contract with Roseland Con- CHANGE
struction Co., Inc., for a decrease in contract amount of '$120.00, ORDER NO. 1,
for work at 305 South Iowa �t_re T; in the LaSalle Park Urban R -57 PROJECT
Renewal Project, Indiana R -57, for an amended contract total APPROVED
of: $3;894:00.
This covers work change which results in a decrease of the
contract. The change is to shore up the rear steps in lieu of
replacement as proposed in the original contract.
Motion for approval of above Change Order was made by Mr. Wiggins,
seconded by Mr. Chenney and.carried.
S REPORTS
a. River Bend Plaza Schedule of Activities, R -66: The Chair RIVER BEND
said to Mr. Louis N. Wilcox, Director of the River Bend Plaza PLAZA REPORT
Office, that he sees by the newspaper that we are going to
have an aviation display, and he is calling on him for his re-
port other than what he has reported previously.
Mr. Wilcox said, "I think the only thing I would like to say,
Mr. Nimtz, seeing that the audience is a little more 'diverse'
today than usual, that the River Bend Plaza Advisory Committee
meets every Tuesday, at 1:30 E.S.T., in the River Bend Plaza
Office, at 112 South Michigan Street, and there are many, many
items of important discussion that concerns all of us in South
Bend, and I would like, publicly, to ask that anyone who cares to
come to those meetings, to.please.do so.
As far as the schedule is concerned, Mr. Nimtz, the Commission
has been given a schedule which has been elaborated on to some
degree, but not sufficient to warrant a new schedule.
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7. PR0 RESS REPORTS (Con V d)
b. Staff Reports
1) Acquisition Status Report: Mr. William J.'Parrish, Real
Estate Officer, submitted a written report on the follow -
projects:
R -57: Remains the same--one remaining to be acquired.
382 Parcels purchased, 18 Condemnation Cases,
totalling 400.
R -66: Three (3) remains to be acquired. 228 Parcels
purchased,.) Condemnation Case, totalling 229.
Merry Avenue: Purchases completed. 40 Parcels purchased,
2 Condemnation Cases, totalling 42.
NDP A -10: All parcels acquired.
MN #1: 34 Parcels purchased, 1 Condemnation Case,
totalling 35.
SE #1: 62 Parcels purchased, 8 Condemnation Cases,
totalling 70.
- 2) E -6 Model Neighborhood Code Enforcement Project: Mr. John
Davis, Project Director of the E -6 Program, in
written report, advised work is continuing in the
E -6 Code Enforcement Area. Two contractors are
engaged in physical rehabilitation.
Bids were received for Rehabilitation Contracts
16 and 17 on April 14 and 28, respectively.
ACQUISITION
STATUS REPORT,
R -57, R -66,
MERRY AVENUE,
& A -10
There have been a total of five final inspections and
seven initial inspections fcr the month.
3) Relocation Progress Report: The Relocation Staff submitted
a written report, for the month of April, 1975:
NDP A -105 SE #1: Workload seven- -three families, four
individuals.
R -57: Workload one individual and that house is in con -
demnation.
Model Cities Extended Services: Worklaad is four families.
...............
City Wide: Workload is six families. Status remains the
same as prior report.
Orange - Colfax Connector: Waiting for approval to begin
relocating residents.
Michigan Main Connector: Status remains the same.
E -7 NDP: Workload three families.
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RELOCATION
PROGRESS
REPORT
8. FED RAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION:
Mr. Brownell advised that we have been negotiating with Mr.Garwood Judah,
A.A E., Airport Director, Michiana Regional Airport of the St. Joseph
County Airport Authority, in using, our staff for acquisition and relocation
work for the Airport Authority: We have not reached a conclusion yet on
the way that can be handled. We are in negotiation. rt "is. recommended
to them by the Federal Government that they `use our staff, rather than
go out and acquire staff and train them, and the expense involved in
training their staff, when we already have trained relocation people.
Com issioner Wiggins said we served as contractors for Model Cities and
Cit -Wide.
Mr. Brownell said we want to work out a contract that would be fair to
bot agencies.
9. DOW TOWN REDEVELOPMENT
Mr. Kevin J. Butler, Commission Legal Counsel, gave the following report
per aining to the renewal of the Downtown area.
Qui a obviously, the disposition and redevelopment in the downtown area
is ne of the key matters that-the City faces, and it is the key matter
fac ng the Commission. I think there has been some confusion generated
wit in the last couple of weeks with the change in the scope of the
pro ect, and the change in the prospective developer. It think it is
fmp rtant that I try to cover the various areas where the confusions
hav come up.
It'c very important, for the success of the renewal of the downtown area,
thal the attitude generally in the community be positive. I think right
now there is a tendency towards a negative attitude -- perhaps a feeling
of kepticism- -that I think we are all going to have to overcome. Speci-
fic lly, there have been some comments relative to the Commission's involve -
men in the proposal of Associates and now of the River Bend Development
gro p (name of the joint venture), to the effect that the Commission is in-
vol ed in a bail -out project -- trying to bail out Mike Carmichael or Associates.
Well, first of all, I doubt that Mike Carmichael; or Associates, need any
hell from.the Commission. They can stand on their own feet. I think it is
ver3 important that we understand the Commission is NOT involved in any such
act vity. The Commissioners are concerned, and I think the Commissioners
who have been serving over the past three.(3) years that `I have been serving
the Commission -- including the four (4) members here today, plus Mr. Wade,
Mr. Helmen, and Reverend Williams- -have done an admirable job, and, as we
all understand, at no pay. They have put in a lot of time to try to get the
various renewal projects completed, and completed' successfully: It is very
imp rtant I think,that we all be behind the members of the Commission.
Thi isn't to say that the Commission.does not want any criticism,,or that
the Commission wants sympathy, or even praise, but I'd like to say - -not
as member of the Commission, but as a member of the staff - -that the Com-
mis ion does n:eedsupport; they need cooperation; and they need input. They
nee the kind of questions that were asked at the April 29th meeting, and
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DOWN60 REDEVELOPMENT (Cont'd)
the <ind of questions that, I am sure, will be asked today and in the future.
Thos2 questions; °'if not asked, might not be`asked by us here. We 'need total
comminity input.
First of all, with respect to the clarification of the Associates bid situa-
tion and the bid security,' commonly referred to as a-.Letter 'of Credit, .I would
like to explain the procedure briefly. There has been a general misunder-
standing about this. First of all, the Commission could not, at any time,
during thE:'past.two years and a couple of months since the Associates' bid
was submitted execute on a Letter of Credit A Letter of Credit "'is an excel-
lent security as a bid security. A bid security is required to be submitted
with any bid, but it is not enforceable or collectible until the Commission
awards or approves the bid; in this case, until they approved or awarded the
bid to Associates. The Commission, at no time, could have made an award
of that bid, because Associates had not finalized its plans. As a matter
of fact, very shortly after they submitted the initial bid, they indicated
quite clearly, and publicly, that the concept of their development was chang-
ing, and so the Commission could not act upon that Letter of Credit, simply
because the Commission never had awarded the bid, and could not have awarded
the bid. At the same time, another area of misunderstanding, is that Associ-
ates has never had a 'hold' on the property. The Commission has never granted
an option to Associates. Associates, as well as the Commission and many
other people, have been very aware of this. Associates has, at times, even
exp essed some concern during the past two years and a couple of months con -
cer ing the investments that they have made in the planning which has exceeded
a Q arter Million Doll ars,preci`sely because they did not have an option on
the property.
With respect to the disposition procedure, and I know that some of you here
are very aware of that -- Allen Schrager, you have been involved in this in
a couple of your projects - -so I ask those of you who are aware of the pro -
ced res to bear with me, but, I think, that this is .really the basis of the
mis nderstanding.' The public, and perhaps the Press to a certain degree, do
not understand fully the disposition procedures, and I feel, therefore, that
we hould explain those procedures now in some detail.
Mr. Dan Caesar, reporter for WSBT -TV, refuted the Counsellor's statement and
rep ied: "Excuse me, sir. But, I did ask you last week and publicly you
refused to-make any public statement. It is the criticism that you are laying
on the Press." Mr. Butler acknowledged that Mr. Caesar did question him
in he Special Commission meeting of April 29, but stated that his intent
is pecifically not to criticize the Press, but what he is simply saying is
tha there is a misunderstanding, ard that is why he now wants to run through
the procedures, so that we a1T' understand how the disposition works.
Mr. Butler, in outlining the program, continued and stated that everything
has been laid out. Basically, we I have been doing our job here. The Com-
mission is trying to dispose of property.in the downtown area, and I guess
we have just assumed that everyone knows what our procedures and our require -
men s are, but it became clear to me, in.the'Commission Special Meeting of
the 29th, that those procedures aren't really that well understood.
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9. DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT (Cont'd
First of all, a prospective redevelopE,r`of property in a. given renewal
pro ect expresses interest to the Redevelopment.Commission. For example,
we had interest expressed when we. received the letter this morning_.on
Block 6, which is for the proposed development of Block 6. The next step
theri is for the Commission and staff to explain to the prospective developers
if they need such explanations, the various procedures and requirements for
the disposition. Under the HUD requirements and state statutes, then the
prospective redeveloper puts together its development plans.`'
When the plans are basically fin<<lized; they are discussed with the Depart-
ment of Redevelopment staff, and,, in some cases, with the Commission. All
the land in a renewal area is designated for specific use. If the prospec-
tiv redeveloper plans require a land -use change, then the Commission will
consider that, and, if they approve it, or concur with it, then they will
submit the proposed land -use change. A public hearing must come before
the Commission first for public acceptance and /or remonstrance;' then the
proposed land -use change must be submitted to the Area Plan Commission
for approval; then to the South Bend Common Council; and finally to MACOG
for their acceptance or rejection. This procedure generally takes between
30 to 60 days, depending upon when the various meetings are scheduled. If
the land -use change is approved by the various bodies, then we obtain a re-
use appraisal on the property, and that is another 15 to 30 days, and then
we submit the information relative to the land -use change and the reuse
appraisal to HUD by Proclaimer. The Commission will then authorize bidding
and the notice is published. The prospective developer who triggered the
bidding, and other developers who are interested, will submit bids and
accompanying those bids are the Indiana 96 -A forms, which, in effect, are
financial statements. They will submit a non- collussion affidavit, and other
documents including the bid security, and again in Associates' case it was
a L tter of Credit. I think, in Allen Schrager's case, in a couple of in-
stances, a Letter of Credit was used as the bid security. Other alternatives
are bid bond through an insurance company, or cash bond. The Commission then
'receives' the bid. They submit the 96 -A form to HUD and they submit the
bid proposals to staff for review and recommendation. If HUD approves the
prospective redevelopers, those who submitted bids, the staff then completes
their review and will make a recommendation to the Commission. The Commission
then acts on the recommendation, approving or awarding the bid to a single
bidder, or rejecting all bids if they feel that none of the bids are appro-
pri te.
Now, with respect to the Associates' situation specifically, again; the
staff never actually made a: recommendation to the Commission, basically
because the planned redevelopment by Associates was changed. The concept
was changed, almost immediately, and so the Commission never acted upon
it. Some of the items that mitigated against awarding or approving the
Associates bid was their interest in acquiring Parcel No. 4 -66; which is
jus to the east of the Odd Fellows Building, and the service alley to
the the east of that, and another service alley west of ''the hole."
Whei
the
nex,
the bid is awarded, at that.point, the bid bond becomes binding and
edevelopE,r can't back out without forfeiting that security. The
steps, basically, are the execution of the contract for private re-
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9. DOW TOWN REDEVELOPMENT (Cont`d
development, and that specifies the project and the timing on the conveyance
of the property, along with the commencement and the completion dates of
the project. Along with that then is submitted a'Performance Bond, and,
of ourse;`at that point, the.Performance Bond takes the place of the Bid
Bond. Then the deeding of the property,, the actual physical redevelopment
of the property, and then when that°is completed, the Certificate of
Completion. If it' is not completed properly, then, of course, the Perfor-
mance Bond is the only guarantee that we have'at that point.
Bas cally, the reason that the question concerning the Associates' Letter
of Credit was not answered as directly perhaps as it might have been at
the last meeting,: was because I didn't understand, or didn't appreciate
the fact that there was a misunderstanding concerning this. I subsequently
did talk to Dan Caesar, and to Jeanne Derbeck. When I`was talking with
Dan Caesar immediately after the meeting,. then it became very clear to me
the a was a misunderstanding. Jeanne Derbeck called the next day and I talked
wit her.
Add tionally, I had intended when we met the next day with the representatives
of Associates and of the River Bend Development group to make a recommendation
that there be no assignment of Associates' bid and that there be no new Letter
of Credit coming from the new developer -- the.joint venturer- -and the reasoning
for that was because I think we are at a point now where we really are looking at
an ntirely new plan - -a new concept- -and we are going to have to, at the appro-
pri to time, rebid this property.
The next point I would like to make, covers my basic recommendation to the
Commission. First of all in regard to the appraisal of the proposed plan of
the developer, I think it is a good plan. I think a lot of work has already
been done by Associates and by Hal Imus, who is one of the new persons in the
Joint venture. The Development Commission is not a developer. This has been
a problem, I think, with many developments in downtown areas throughout the
country. We don't have the specific expertise. We don't have developers on
the staff and it is 'damn' expensive to pay developers. I think that theoreti-
cally, at least, a large development like this which will redevelop a signifi-
can portion, or area, of the downtown, as well as the Block 6 type of re-
dev lopment, is the most appropriate, if, in fact, we can get something going.
The River Bend Development. group, in my meetings with the individuals, is, I
thi k, an excellent team - -an action team - -and I think we are going to see and
hea something. They are going to be acting and moving quickly.
In 3oing back to the original Associates' proposal, I recall that that pro-
posal called for the start of their actual physical redevelopment by the
end of the third year. It was submitted in February, 1973, and I.think
that the stage at which the River Bend' Development group takes plans over
is t such an advanced stage with respect to the development and marketing
tha three -year period is still "a very."possible" goal. I think that the
Com issioners should cooperate fully with this group= -with the Joint Venturer- -
wit view to an early submission of a proposal and with the understanding
tha when they are ready with their plans, that it is going to have to be re-
bid
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9. DOW TOWN UR DEVELOPMENT`(Cont'd)
At he same time, the Commission-should encourage and consider other qualified
redevelopers who present serious and significant developments for that Block
4, and the same is true for Block 6. I think you should encourage al`1`comers --
anyone who has a serious development project'. Again, there has been no option;
Associates has had no option in the past, and 'I. don't be1i`eve the joint venturer
shotild be given an option now. I believe the Commission has', in the past,
listened to prospective developers in all of the: various renewal projects. There
has been no discouragement in any respect of prospective redevelopers, and I
thirik the same attitude should and will carry with respect to the Block 4 and
Block 6 proposals. I can't speak, of course, for the River Bend.Development
group, but from our conversations with them, I am confident that they'don't want
to tie up that property down there. They are not asking to have a limit on com-
petition, or to limit input from the public, or to limit other developers to get
involved. It was said to us during our discussions that they were sorry - -the
dev topers were basically the First Bank. Their people'were sorry that they
wer not able to seek specific input form the various interest groups who are
inv (lved in this matter, spec;fically the downtown retailers, but they got in-
vol ed in discussions with Associates three weeks before the magic May l date- -
before that Letter of Credit was to have expired - -and with that they simply,
on tehalf of the First Bank, were involved in the discussions and then the
negotiations with Associates. They simply did not have the time, but they are
goi g to, and I think in this coming week they are beginning their discussions
wit the various interested groups in the community.
I t ink, in very brief conclusion: Again, we do need a very positive, confident,
coo erative atmosphere within the community, and attitude within the community,
if we are to get this thing off the ground.
Again, criticism, as well as questions, as well as information, from anyone who
has it, has to be welcomed- -has been welcomed in the past -- and is welcome now.
It is a very difficult and complex matter that the redevelopment of downtown has
seer problems all over the country. I personal) *ly am confident that we can get
this downtown redevelopment in a very successful manner, whether it is the
Fir t Bank, or whether it is some other developer we don't know about now that
com s forward.
And with respect to Block 6, whether it is from people whom we heard from this
mor ing, or some other developer, I think with that type of approach, things
are going to continue to happen. We have a problem with the economy now,
and we have to recognize that and realize that must mean additional effort
and additional cooperation.
In conclusion of the above report, Presisent Nimtz thanked the Commission Legal
Counsel, Mr. Kevin J. Butler. The President reported that he and Mr. Brownell
had "a very friendly meeting with Mr. Schrager and Mr. Herman Glaser, and
also a very friendly meeting with Mr. Doyle and Mr. Ray Braden, the Manager of
the Odd Fellows Building."
The
meni
hair then called on Mr. Allen E. Schrager, a partner in the City Develop -
Company, who reported:
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that
OWN'REDEVELOPMENT'(Cont'd)
I would like to say f`irst`of ".all, 'I agree with Mr. Butler that the
Commission has done a very.good job, and that we do need to co-
ope,rate to get this job done. We sort of find ourselves in the
middle of the lake, and you can't swim, and which way do'you want
to go-- where you started from, or try to complete this.
Now, I am not trying to be negative, but my only objection is
that when Associates presented their proposal`, and the staff
knew it did not meet.HUD requirements, T feel on a timely basis,
this proposal should have been 'rejected, because, in effect, when
you don't accept a bid, and when you don't reject a bid, you're
placing a cloud on that property. Now, I am not being negative.
I wish these people a lot of success because we owe them 'a lot of
money, and we want to see this thing go, but let's' not make the
same mistakes again. Let's not get in here and tie this property
up and close the door for everyone else.
Our only interest, and we have made which you know a very sub-
stantial investment in downtown South Bend, is that just get
this thing rolling. I am not knocking anyone. Let's al. 1 work
together, and in order to work together, you have to have lines
of communications.
Now, at least the First Bank, I think, has shown good faith,
because they are setting up a series of meetings to start tell-
ing the people what they plan to do. But I do request of this
Commission that you do not make any verbal or written commit-
ments to this group that is not made public, and I know that
you will be fair and that you won't do it.
Butler responded: "I think I can guarantee, on both behalf of Wayne
myself that we have not made any commitments, and they are aware that
ommitments can be or will be made. There is no way to option that
ierty to them. They are, at this point, a prospective redeveloper of
property."
Commissioner Wiggins said he wanted "to raise one thing because I am sure
Allen did not intend it that way, but the fact, as you stated, it would
lend at least some 'credence to the possibility that there were such
secret agreements with the Associates group, and there were no such
agreements." Mr. Schrager said he did not mean i.t that way.
Mrs Janet S. Allen stated that Mr. Schrager mentions a point that she
is trying to make, because in February, 1973 -- according to 'the minutes
of February 2,1973--the bid from this group was received, and Mr. Wiggins
made the motion the bid from Associates Bancorp., Inc. be received.and for-
warded to Legal Counsel and staff for.r.eview and recommendation. Said motion
was seconded by Mr. Chenney' and unanimously carried. Mr. Helmen thanked
Mr. Van Mele, the Mayor had a great big statement, presented by Dr.'Kromkowski,
that covers a full page of the minutes, saying 'the commitment of Associates,
one of the nation's leading financial institutions, to the City means that
South Bend remains the hub of 'a prospering and growing Michiana area. All
of our industries, all of our commercial firms, all of our retail and service
enterprises will benefit from this commitment.' In those minutes, Mr. Helmen
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9. DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT (Cont_d)
said that 'The Commission will give prompt consideration to this bid
and will proceed with the negotiation far sale of'two adjacent parcels
as p rt.of the'total_ construction %proposal of'the Associates and the First
Bank & Trust Company.'
Further ' Mrs. Allen stated, "in March - -the next month - -in minutes of March
16, 1973, there was a letter-from HUD that said they have reviewed the
Redevelopers Statement of Associates Bancorp., Inc., etc., and find no
objection to these corporations as redevelopers of the disposition parcels
note . Now renderings were presented in April 6, 1973 meeting and noted
in t ose minutes. In May 22, meeting, which was a Special Commission
Meet ng, you mentioned the joint venture. This is all in 1973:
Then it goes on down the line, and then down to August, in minutes
of August 3, 1973, a public hearing was held 'in' the City - Council
Cham ers on the amendatory urban renewal plan and minor plan changes.
Mr. Van Mele made the statement, in Commission minutes of April 6, 1973,
'We aill commence construction on Parcels 4 -31, 4 -32 and North 140 feet
of Parcel 4 -1, by.December 31, 1973 of this year, assuming marketability
title is transferred and 4 -31 and 4 -32 are completely cleared.'
Now then, again and as stated in the Minutes of September 21,1973, Mr.
Cha les F. Lennon, Jr., then the Executive Director, said there would
be an update of Associates status report.
I do not have a copy of the Minutes of May 22, 1973, so I cannot elaborate
on it. But I think the point is well taken. For 2 -1/2 years, everyone
has been under the impression that the Associates and Gulf and Western
had a 'hold' - -a definite hold - -with its Letter of Credit and everything--
that they had a definite hold on this property, and you have not received,
nor welcomed, or invited' - -I should say - -bids from anyone else. Now, dur-
ing this 2 -1/2 years, if anyone else - -Mr. Glaser and everyone else - -had
realized that Associates did not have a binding commitment, we might
wel have received many other developers and we might well have had a
lot of buildings down there right now. So I think that your point is
wel taken that you make it very clear that Associates or the First Bank- -
NEI HER ONE- -has a definite commitment for this property you are trying
to ispose of, and make it plain that bids for its use of the property
are welcome from any developer at this time.
Commissioner Wiggins stated: "I think you ought to differentiate between
proposals and bids. There is a very distinct difference. We would " welcome
any and all proposals, and we have been in this position all along.
Mrs Allen responded: You were open for bids and in 2 -1/2 years later,
you find no fire action-was taken on that bid, but from all intent they
felt that their _bid had been and was accepted on this property.` And, THAT'S
IT!"
Commissioner Wiggins stated that "Mrs. Allen's comments and the comments
of many of the public made here, 'you are correct.' They are aware of the
procedure and how it takes place. At the time we had the property up for
bids, Associates was the only one that responded, and we had no response
of interest from anyone else at that time. We should all be aware- -the
=YAM
9. DOWP
REDEVELOPMENT (Cont'd)
statements made here today - -I have been here from 'day one' and our under-
statiding from ten (10) years ago was that it was possible to come up with
a new plan, a new schematic out of this material, and remove the old and
falling-down buildings, and then we should see them rebuilt, along the
dec aratory pattern. This is what we thought would happen. In the
feasibility reports, and then in trying to get actual participation ,we
found that it is not the way to do it at all.
In some approximately 600 cities in the range of 35,000 population and
over, in none of these where there substantial changes of this nature- -
complete rebuilding- -and I am advised that in terms of downtown projects,
more has happened in South Bend, Indiana than in any other place in the
United States. This is probably all that we can expect. Our consultants- -
our viable people we hired- -the first thing they said that the method we
are using in only advertising the parcels locally was not the way to
do t. We need to go nationally for developers.
The chief things involved if you are going to change this treatment- -
if you are going to compete with shopping centers - -you are going to
compete on that type of a level, and we have to put it in a package, or
it will not go. You will not find people of that type of capital to go
into that type of business. You may find people who will prepare and
lea ;e it - -and that is what Associates proposed to do. The original
int nt was to build a fairly substantial office-type building, bring
in i number of employees, in- house population downtown that would
enc urnge retail development that would serve its people, if nothing
els . South Bend is a center of a large shopping area. The latest survey
indicates this is a handy place to shop.
Real Estate Research, undoubtedly in a reasonable amount of time, can
bri g back depending on transportation, whatever other means are available,
and this puts the downtown under a different light and restores, to a
deg ee, the sale of the land in the downtown to develop. It takes a
sal for it to happen. This will have to happen on a large scale."
Legal Counsel, Mr. Butler, said if anything comes out of this part of the
meeting--I hope it is the point you made, Mrs. Allen- -which is what I tried
to make and I am glad you emphasized it. There is no 'hold' on that pro-
perty. For the actions taken in the past, if we need to place thE: fault,
I w'll.take the blame myself for that, as Mr. Donaldson just said to me,
in n aside, we can't get those two (2) years back. Let's profit on
whatever mistakes we have made in the past and not make them in the
future.
Connissioner Chenney referred to the time when shortly after Associates
submitted their proposal and then changed it. Mr. Brownell replied the
day the bid was presented and I want to make it clear, that under HUD
reg lations, we are not permitted to accept any bid with conditions.
This bid had so many things listed as a contingency to their bid that we
could not accept it. As to the change, when we met to negotiate with
the Associates people, Mr. Van Mele, as one of the representatives,
we ointed out to them some of these problems. That brought up the
que tion that they had changed their attitude and mind as their architect
fro Skidmore & Merrill, and stated for us to have a row of parking for
9'?
9. DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT (Cont'd
the garages would be like a fence wall, and it would not be attractive to
then. They wanted their shops and parking to be above their commercial
stores. Under Indiana law that was not possible, as we cannot combine
commercial with parking. We tried to get legislation to get that passed.
This has been undertaken and passed by the Indiana Legislature for the
par ing. This was initially the change - -this changed thEi land use.
Parcel 4 -1 instead of the parking garage would be partly commercial.
We would need land use for Parcel 4 -32 and Parcel 4 -31 would have to be
bot parking and commercial.
Mr. Butler said that any fault lies with us, and we assumed everyone knew
the mechanics. Our assumption was erroneous and faulty.
Ms. Derbeck, South Bend Tribune Reporter, stated that "I think there has
beer some secrecy here. These things should be brought out in public.
Com issioner Wiggins advised we have to deal with realistics. Peoples'
ideas do change. To which Ms. Derbeck replied that as a result of those
discussions they have been calling Associates consistently and were led
to telieve the deal would go through. Mr. Brownell stated negotiations
are not public negotiations; negotiations must be private.
Com issioner Wiggins emphasized that in terms of development, there has
to e a lot of variables; it is too complex not to. We all have to
rec gnize that this is the type of things we have to deal with.
Mr. Dan Caesar said that he has attended a lot of these meetings, and
thal Mr. Schrager said a while back that HUD rejected the proposal.
Mr. Schrager's response was that he didn't say that, and Mr. Caesar
sta ted to refer to his remarks written down (leafing through pages),
and the comment is '...that the staff was aware that it would not meet
HUD requirements.'
President Nimtz said he wanted to compliment Kevin Butler and Wayne
Brownell in what they are doing and that he has great hope and trust
in toth of them - -for the future of both Blocks 4 and 6, and that he
wants to enlarge on this that it will take TRUST, CONFIDENCE, AND
BELIEVING IN THE FUTURE! To which Mr. Butler added: "And questions
and criticisms when you have it."
Ms. Derbeck said that it should be stressed that the Commission should
be ore open.
Mr. Butler said his legal advice is that a new Letter of Credit not be
obtained and the bid not be assigned, and that we simply consider the
Riv r Bend Development group as prospective, interested developers for the
Block 4 area.
Mr. John R. Kagel, Executive Director of the Downtown South Bend Council,
stated: "As a member of the public, all I can say is that you people- -
again I pointed this out once before - -I think you are doing a great job,
and you have our vote of confidence. A lot of people are involved in this.
You are shouldering a lot of confidence and criticism, and °I wanted to ex-
ten the compliment in what you are doing.
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9. DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT (Cont'd
Mr. Caesar asked if this entire area of land is going as a block bid,
or as an individual bid? Mr.`Brownell's reply was that there is no
bid We still have individual areas. Commissioner Wiggins replied,
"I think, Dan, we need to be aware that success involves a large scale
of onfidence." Mr. Caesar again asked, "But it is not as an individual..."
Com issioner Wiggins' reply was, "at this time, it is not." President
Nim z also added that this would have to be considered at the time.
That the advice we received from our national consultants is that the
bigger the project, the better the success. Mrs. Allen replied, "That
is what we did 2 -1/2 years ago." The President stated that no one was
awa a this would happen; no one anticipated the problems with the national
economy.
10. NEXT COMMISSION MEETING
The next meeting of the Redevelopment Commission will be at 10:00 NEXT
a.m., Friday, May 23, 1975, in the Office of the Department of Re- COMMISSION
dev lopment. This meeting will be a special meeting in lieu of the MEETING,
regularly-scheduled meeting of May 16, 1975. 5 -23 -75
11. ADJOURNMENT
The Chair said as we no longer have a quorum present, we will adjourn ADJOURNMENT
the meeting, and the motion was duly made to adjourn by Commissioner
Wig ins, at 12:18 p.m.
L;. way owneii, i
(SEAL)
ecutive
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- DANIEL R. LAWSON. P.E.
JOHN E. FISHER, P.E.
GERALD E. KINYON, P.E
LAWSON ASSOCIATES
PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS
101 I M S BUILDING * SOUTH BEND, IND. 46601 PH: (219) 234 -316'
April 28, 1975
Mr. Wayne Brownell, Executive Director
Department of Redevelopment
City of South Bend
1200 County -City Building
South Bend, Indiana 46601
Dean Mr. Brownell:
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Re: Plaza Park Project: Contracts 1 and 3
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After examining the bids which were opened in your office
April 11, 1975 for construction of the electrical work and general work ;
contracts on Plaza Park, we have the following observations and .
recommendations:
The low bidder on Contract No. 1 was Nautilus Construction, Inc.
of Elkhart, Indiana. This is a small construction firm which has only
recently become incorporated. We have made efforts to establish the.
capability of this company to perform the work required in Contract No. 1.
We I ave interviewed a number of owners of projects for which Nautilus
Construction performed the construction, and we have talked with two
engi eers involved as consultants on projects which Nautilus Construction
has oerformed. Based on these conversations, we feel that with adequate
supervision, Nautilus Construction is capable of performing satisfactorily
the Nvork involved in Contract No. 1 and would recommend that this
contract be awarded to Nautilus. Jr''
The low bidder for Contract No. 3 with the base bid combined
with the first priority Alternate 'B' is Colip Brothers, Inc, of South Bend,
Indi na. This is a well established electrical contractor, and we recommend
that lContract No. 3 be awarded to them.
' The project which we recommend to fit within your budget is
indi ated on the attached exhibit entitled Project Combination 'D` . It is
Mr. Wayne Brownell April 28, 1975
Paqe 2.
our judgment that this combination will provide the best combination of
items for the money available and give you the most desirable park in
line with the original intents and guidelines of the Redevelopment
Commission. Please note also that a contingency fund for the project,
in e cess of $10,000, is included, and that this amount is agreeable to
the 3outh Bend Bureau of Construction which will administer and inspect
the onstruction of this project.
Lawson Associates will be available to discuss these recommenda-
tion with you at any time. Please feel free to call upon us if you have
que Lions or would like additional information or explanations.
DRL:
Encl
of
Very truly yours,
LAWSON ASSOCIATES
aniel R. Lawson, P..E.
T
Distribution:
Red velopment Commissioners
Kevin J. Butler
Mr. Brownell
Original - file
EE21f
ct Combination 'D'
Base
Contract 1
(Nautilus)
Base
Contract 2
(Foegley)
Base
Contract 3
(Colip)
Total
of Base Contracts
Alternate B
Contract 1
21,462.00
Alternates
A
$267,924.55
3.9%
C
10,436.95
H
J
Exclu
es.: Modules 'B', 'D', 'E',
K
Brick at Bridge
Plaza,
N
and Bridge Lighting.
P
ngency Priorities
Q
(If. c
)ntingency not used, perform work in following
S
1.
contract 1 Alternate 'D'
T
2.
U
PLAZA PARK
627.00
871.00
777.00
2,716.00
1,236.50
17,929.00
8,450.00
4,000.00
875.00
2,000.00
-( 1,725.00)
$171,349.50
26,323.75
10,932.80
$208,606.05
37,856.50
37,856.50
$246,462.55
Contract 3
Alternate B
21,462.00
$267,924.55
3.9%
Contingency*-
10,436.95
Total
$278,361.50
Exclu
es.: Modules 'B', 'D', 'E',
'F', 'G', and 'AA,
Brick at Bridge
Plaza,
at Entrance Plaza,
and Bridge Lighting.
*Con
ngency Priorities
(If. c
)ntingency not used, perform work in following
order)
1.
contract 1 Alternate 'D'
5,191.00
2.
Contract 1 Alternate 'L'
4,032.50
DisC'USSion,., to-Continue 6nKGza Stape
By JEANNE
Trion s
DERBECH !
tt writer
"" The commissioners came to have four rows of built -in seat-
Commissioner John Chen -
The vision
full -
no decision but agreed the dis-
cussion would continue at their
ing fanning out in a semi - circle
ney said he was concerned
ny orchestra pe
performing-on
p
hydraulically-lifted
forming e a
stage on
next meeting on June 6. `
in the street. The plan seemed
to present some problems for -
about the merchants and said
whatever was done should
River
River Bend Plaza
d Pl
looked excit�
, The hydraulically- lifted
. stage was one of three ideas
movement of fire equipment in
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help them. He said he did. not
ing to some persons
at the
proposed for, continuing con -
of emergency, but Oes•
believe that shows performed
Redevelopmen
Commtssio'n,
siruction of River Bend Plaza
teriing said a fire truck would
so far on River Bend Plaza
meeting today.
between Jefferson and
be able to get through by driv-
have resulted in any more
Others at the
commission's
ington :.. ;Wash-
_' ing across the stage under ti
business for the merchants.
public hearing expressed
nerv-
The cost of construction
canopy above the stage.
•The
Nautilus Construction of
about
he cost and
would be somewhere between
third plan was for a
Elkhart was awarded the con-
possible
possible maint
lems of the inn
nance rob
p
vative stage -
$770,000 and $1.4, million, de-
plaza area with a pool, and
p p
tract for major construction of
Plaza Park for its low base bid
in- the - street.
. pending on the number of
stage levels and other details,
greenery in the style of the
Plaza already completed. The
of $171,349.50 plus $37,856 for
After considerable
sion, Commissi
discus-
ner Donald
'according to tom oesterlin of
g
'cost was estimated at between
$460,000 and $550,000.
alternates added to construc-
tiom Nautilus also received
summed
up his opin-
the hickey Co.
the contract for dredging un-
ion:
ion:
"There would be a major
Edward Soltesz, Who first
der the Colfax, Bride and
g
"We have to
ear in mind
problem, with the electrical
suggested the hydraulically-
gg Y y, ;
protection of the slope for its
that such an expense
item cer•
;,duct wok which would require
lift stage, said Oesterling's es;
base bid of $40,000 plus $6,620
tainly would hav
to-be com- relocation, he said
timates were much too high.
for an alternate added.
patible with the
ind of use It '
A second ro osai for a st .
p p a `
He said the stage could be
built for
The electrical contract for
would have. If
this project
tionary stage at sidewalk level `
$37,000, but refused to
Plaza Park went to Colip
;gets to be a really
involved,
on the t west side of. the ' street>
say who had drawn up the
Brothers Electric Co. for
expensive kind of
is
operation, it
would cost between $442,00 and
estimate. He would only said
the estimate was made by lo•
$25,400 total; and the Harry H.
Verkler
I just. not in the
`won't happen."
cards and
$645,000, Oesterling estimated.
The stationary stage would
cal people who do such
Contractor, Inch won a
contract for wheel -chair
-.
things." `
g
ramps downtown for $14,500.
The South Bend Tribune; Sunday, May 25, 1975 19
•
�O Get ;Hearing
Pavi�g,,',,Plaza fund
constitute the maintenance sources department.
By MARCHMO T KOVAS budgeted for the materials
Tribune city cove ment writer from state tax refunds. staff are being funded through Among maximum salaries
Revenue shari g funds for And $165,000 in cumulative the federal Corripreitensive proposed are: ,
ntal coordinator,
the city's street paving pro= capital improvement funds Employment' Training Act Environme
gram and for the maintenancf has been earXnarked for the program, said Farrand. The, ` $14,850 and diectorl of com-
of River Bend laza will be. 1975 program, making -a total crew operates from a room in., munity affairs, $10,000, both.in
subjects for pu lic hearings j of $465,000 sought" for this thLa gent Auditorium. he plaza department; bureau eof boust
Tuesday night y the South . year's purchases of. a variety., budget is $23,250 for electricity ing director, $15,400; project
Bend Common C until, of materials.
The council 1 meet at 7 Decker said that. total still is to run the fountain pumps, director, $13,200 bureau of
p.m. in fourth floor chambers far less than the $666,207 in lighting, and, electricalkoutlets' planning and management di
in the County-City Bldg. motor vehicle tax funds, re- on the plaza. rector, $15,400; bureau of man
Proposed ordinances to be venue sharing and cumulative A sum of $2,000 is for water power administration director,
aired would allocate $252,800 capital improvement funds a1 b and there rd control by an8a lilt application $18,900, operations $16,500. uty director,
for the street d artment and lotted for materials in 1974. Y PP op
$33;080 for the laza mainte- City Engineer Rollin E. Far- of chemical to keep pigeons �;
nance. rand told the council that the away from eanopie$;.without
Final action also is to be redevelopment department is harming the birds
taken on the setting ,of mini - .;.turning over the plaza to the The hearing on the salaries`
mum and max' um salaries Department of Public Works will be a continuance of a
for certain employees of the for maintenance .and the fund hearing held April 21. The bill
Human Resources and Econ- sought is for materials, equip- would set minimum and maxi-
omic Development Depart mum salaries for 19 job de-
ment and supplies only. de-
scriptions in the human re-
ment. - Salaries of.six persons who p
Donald L. Decker,
street.'`
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in revenue sharing
funds was
voted by the
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March and the
additional`
$252,800 will round
out the
$300,000 needed
to complete
the paving and
slurry sealing
program for this
year.
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DATE
TIME
PLACE
PRESIDING
OFFICER
ATTENDING
MEMBERS
RIVER BEND PLAZA ADVISOFY COMMITTEE
MINUTES
May 6, 1975
1:30 p.m.
River Bend Plaza-,Office
112 South Michigan Street
South Bend, Indiana 46601
Mr. Karl King
Mrs.
Mr..
Mr..
Mr..
Mr..
Mr..
Gwen Stiver
Floyd Jessup
Hubert Getzinger
John Kagel
Edw. F. Soltesz
Ed. Smith
ATTE DING
GUES S Mrs. Janet Allen
Mr.. Tom Oesterling
Mr.. Allan Bloomquist
Ms.. Chris Trippel
Mr.. Allen Schrager
Mr.. Robert Goodrich
Mr.. Richard Russell
Mr.. Louis N. Wilcox
CALL TO
ORDER The meeting was Called to order by Mr. Karl King,
Chairman, at 1:30 p.m.
APPROVAL
OF
MINUTES On motion made by Mr. Soltesz and seconded by Mr.
Smith, the minutes were approved as recorded.
PLAZA
PROGR
REPOR
ESS
T_ Mr. Wilcox, Director, of the Plaza, introduced Mr.
Tom Oesterling of Clyde Williams Associates, who
presented the details of the four (4) site studies
prepared for completion of the Plaza pedestrian
area.
Mr. Oesterling described each of the proposed plans
and also, submitted the estimated costs for each one,
of the plans, and the alternates provided therein.
The Committee examined the sketches of each plan, which
had been made available in the Plaza office a few days
before the meeting day.
Mr. Soltesz moved that any recommendation regarding the
site studies, be tabled by the Committee, until.a
definite determination could be made regarding the funds
currently available for completion of the Plaza.
RIVERI BEND P
ZA COMMITTEE MINUTES Page 2
Mr. King submitted, that Mayor Miller recently assured him that
the f nds are available for completion of the Plaza.
No su port'was given to Mr. Soltesz' motion, and a new motion
was presented by Mr.-Russell that the Committee recommend the
immediate adoption of Plan D of the presented alternatives, to
include two (2) stages 30' -x 30', which would be controlled by
hydra lic lifts.
Mr. Schrager seconded the motion and the Committee passed the
motion unanimously.
COMMZ TEE
REPOR S No Standing Committee reports were submitted to the
meeting.
BICEN
TTENNIAL:
Mrs..Stiver, Chairman, reported that everything is
going well, and that more than one hundred twenty
five (125) people are currently involved in the plans
of the Festival.
OLD
BU.SIN SS
Mr. King asked Mr. Bloomquist for any report or comment
he might wish to submit to the Committee, regarding
the building plans of the First Bank and Trust Co.
Mr. Bloomquist responded that the'Bank is giving the
project considerable priority, as is, Mr. Imus of the
Development Control Corporation, and when Mr. Imus
returns from his business in Florida, Mr. Bloomquist
expects the projected plans will gain considerable
momentum.
Mr. Getzinger spoke of the frustration caused by the
lack of communication regarding building plans on the
Plaza.
Mr. Schrager added that considerable difficulty resulted
from the announcement made to the public on April 25th.,
because of certain assumptions included in the projected
plans for a super - block. Mr. Bloomquist agreed that
this situation was unfortunate, but notintentional, because
the plans were not presented to the public as a committed
situation, only as, a possibility.
Mr. Bloomquist added that he believed an improvement
can be expected regarding the building plans of!_the
First Bank and Trust, mostly because the Bank is locally
oriented, with responsibilities and involvement with the
City of South Bend.
Mr. Schrager commented that Mr. Bloomquist's attitude
favoring open communication, was a welcome change, and
would encourage cooperation toward the goal of completion
of the Plaza.
RIVER BEND PLAZA ADVISORY COMMITTEE MINUTES -Page 3
NEW
BUSINESS No new business was presented to the Committee.
COMMENTS Mr. Soltesz called the Committees' attention to
fact that the Scottsdate Mall is using. the term
"People Place" ' `which originated with the River
Bend Plaza and he added that many of the actvities
being presented at the Scottsdale Mall, are the
same as those planned for the Plaza.
ADJOU NMENT:There being no further business, a motion for
adjournment was made by Mr. Schrager, seconded
by Mrs. Stiver and duly passed for adjournment at
1:40 p.m.
Submitted by,
Olive Fisher,
Secretary
VTTSBURGHy PE
ANDS.CAPE -ARC
WASH.INGT "O;N D' C a
S PL-ANNE.,RSh•7U.RBAI
Apri 14, 1975
Mr. Wayne Brownell, Executive Director
Department of Redevelopment
County -City Building
South Bend, Indiana 46601
Dear Mr. Brownell:
Mr. Thomas Oesterling and I were pleased to meet on
March the twenty -fifth with you and members of the South
Bend Redevelopment Commission to review alternative plans
for the development of the River Bend Plaza between
Jefferson and Colfax.
Although our original charge was to meet with the
Merchants - Citizens Advisory Committee and prepare a
feasibility study with costs for the development program
it endorsed for the Plaza from Jefferson to the north
boundary of Block 7, as requested by you, we prepared
alternative studies and cost data for treating the balance
of the Plaza to Colfax. Consideration was given to the
potential that the Associates might in the future develop
the Plaza from the north boundary of Block 7 to Colfax.
Since it is now established that the current budget for
construction is approximately $400,000, we are submitting the
enclosed summary of Alternatives, Cost Data, and Recommen-
dations. In response to a request by the Board, we are
including an Alternative to provide a platform with roof
canopy in lieu of a series of lift stages as proposed by
the Merchants - Citizens Advisory Committee.
RID'
A N,T
'1 U �L� i_1
Partn r" John Ormsbee Simonds Philip Douglas Simonds Paul Dorr Wolfe C. Richard Hays
Me ers: Richard O. Hagan W. Vernon Kennedy Geoffrey L. Rousch Jack R. Scholl James E Voss Edward E. Werley
Associates: David J. Germond Richard A. Graig John C. Loatsch George J. Sloss C. Steven Victor Robert J. Vukich
Mr. Wayne Brownell
Page ,two
April 4, 1975
If the Plaza between Jefferson and Washington is to
be completed this year, it is essential that a decision be
made in April, and that we be authorized to proceed with
the contract documents.
If there are unresolved questions, please call me.
Sincerely yours,
Philip D. Simonds
PDS /jcr
Enclosure
April 4, 1975
RIVER BEND PLAZA, SOUTH BEND, INDIANA
Summa -y of Alternatives, Cost Data and Recommendations
for thel plaza areas between Jefferson and Colfax
Altern to -D
As presented to the Board and shown on Study D, the development between
Jefferson and Madison of an Assembly Area with a lift stage and roof canopy
in Block 7 and minimum treatment on existing paving'in Block 8 would cost
as follows:
Bloc 7
1. Rlelocation of underground utilities
and connection of inlets to storm sewer $ 95,000 to 150,000
2. Stage and pit 30'x60' (1 to 8 units) $180,000 to 600,000 **
3. Roof over stage $130,000 to 310,000 * **
4. Canopies and balance of site work and
planting* $330,000 to 350,000
5. Sound system $ 5,000 to 10,000
Block 8
1. Connection of inlets to storm sewer $ 5,000 to 10,000
2. Balance of site work, excluding sound $ 25,000 to 35,000,
TOTAL $770,000 to 1,465,000
*Does not include ancillary space for office, dressing rooms, toilets and
storage areas.
** For $180,000 the stage would be a single unit in a simple pit with a
minimum of controls and features. The range in cost to $600,000 covers
a stage system of from 2 to 8 units with special controls and features.
The more complex stages would require additional relocation of utilities
as indicated under Item 1.
* ** A roof over the stage at $130,000 would be a simple truss with built -up
ro f on a standard support system. The roof can be one of five 'other
explored designs ranging in price up to $310,000.,
Alterna
e -G
As presented
to the Board and shown on Study
G, the development
between
between
Madison and Colfax of a temporary treatment on
existing
scale would
roadwa
would cost as follows:
follows
Blocks
9 and 10
Block.
7
1 .
imber construction
$ 45, 000
to
60,000
2. Benches
20,000
2,500
to
3,00.0
3. Lighting,
new fixtures on existing poles
3,000
to
5,000
4. Flanting
250,000
35,000
to
40,000
5: Resurfacing
roadway
10,000
to
12 j 000
6. Connection
of inlets to storm sewers
5,000
to
10,000
to
10,000
2. Balance
of site work and planting
TOTAL
$100,500
to
130,000
*50 to 4% would be salvagable.
Alterna
a -B
As presented
to Board and shown on Study
B, the development
between
Jefferson and Madison of Block 7 basically as originally
planned
and Block 8 modified to a reduced
scale would
cost
as
follows
Block.
7
1. Connection
of inlets to storm sewer
$ 10,000
to
20,000
2. Canopies
(per original plan)
190,000
to
230,000
3. Balance
of site work and planting
230,000
to
250,000
Sub-Total
$430,000
to
500,000
Bloc
8
1. Connection
of inlets to storm sewer
$ 5,000
to
10,000
2. Balance
of site work and planting
25,000
to
40,000
Sub -Total
$ 30,000
to
50,000
TOTAL (Blocks 7 and 8)
$460,000
to
550,000
Alterna
a -A (Recommended)
A new
31an between Jefferson and Washington
for Block
7
(with
a fixed
stage and roof over stage area, responding to request
of
Board)
and for Block 8 (minimum treatment) would cost:
Block
7
1. Connection
of inlets to storm sewer
$ 10,000
to
20,000
2. Lowering
of water line
2,000
to
5,000
3. Canopies
(simplified system)
150,000
to
200,000
4. Balance
of site work and planting*
250,000
to
370,000
Sub -Total
$412,000
to
595,000
*Incl
des stage, roof and sound system
Block 8
1
2
onnection of inlets to storm sewer
alance of site work and planting
$ 5,000 to
25,000 to
10,000
40,000
Sub -Total 30,000 to 50,000
TOTAL (Blocks 7 and 8) $442, 000 to 645,000
The recommended plan, Alternate -A, is within the budget and provides. a
stage area of approximately 30'x601, a roof over stage, a seating area for
800 to 1,000, and a standing area under trees for 1,500 to 2,000. It is
designed to serve all the performances and exhibits requested by the
Merchants-Citizens Advisory Committee. It does not include provisions
for an Dffice, dressing rooms, toilets and storage area. The dressing
rooms and storage area can be accommodated in a trailer to be located
on Jeff rson at times of major performances and /or in tents to be located
under 1he canopy abutting the stage.
To install a sound system on the other whole blocks of the Plaza will
cost $2,000 to $2,500 per block. Music can be provided at a rental of
$40 per month, per block.
The 16 x75' canopy in front of the former Kresge Store will cost between
$20,00 and $25,000.
Public/private s - .
bran s this downtown
bac to I ife.
Youngstown Ohio, makes a $2 million `good faith' investment 's +b
before seeking private commitments - �'`►
Specially designed fixtu es by Glaus, Pyle, Schomer, Burns
and De Haven, Inc., bate the plaza in warm, yellow light.
Since each fixture has 12 globes with 240 -w lamps, the
lighting also provides toj maximum security.
66 • THE AMERICAN ICITY / MARCH 1975
view of west I- ederal Street before improvements. Vacancies
were high and rising, but since the plaza was built,
"we've arrested the exodus," the author noted. •
This precast concrete bus shelter (in Youngstown
called a pedestrian shelter) is equipped with
heating. To keep warm, the pedestrian simply pushes
a button, and heat comes on for about. 15 minutes.
Pervious friction
courses gain in popularity
The use of 4en- graded asphalt
pavements for the prevention of
hydroplaning, the wet - weather
phenomenon i which a vehicle's
tires lose contact with the road
due to a thin film of water on the
pavement's su face, is gaining ac-
ceptance among highway au-
thorities in Europe as well as the
United States, according to a re-
cent report by the Asphalt Insti-
tute. Highway experts feel that
the wet-weathE r accident rate can
be reduced if rainwater is quickly
removed from roadway surfaces
via pervious wearing courses.
Motorway atithorities in Den-
mark have placed experimental
pervious asphalt friction courses
on I two sections of pavement of
that country's arnum Motorway,
reports the Institute. Five more
sections will e used on the
soon-to-be-corripleted Elsinore
Moto Tway.
no reflective cracks have ap-
peared, and the rubber emulsion
kept water out of the pavement's
base course. We have been
satisfied, thus far, with its scuff
resistance, and all -in -all, it's a very/
durable pavement. 7
The project AAas supported by
the U.S. Federal Aviation ;Ad-
ministration and the Okla oma
Aeronautical C mmissiom FAA
cooperated in developing the
specifications for the )surfacing
and encouragec I us td use the
open - graded mixes because of its
demonstrated in pr ved skid re-
sistance and ab lit to eliminate
hydroplaning.
The skid fact( /r of the resur-
faced portion � our 6200 -ft run-
way is 62 to 65, as measured by
the Oklahoma S ate Highway De-
partment. ■■
The Danish pervious course
uses 83% crushed rock (maximum
-'/8-inch), 15% crushed rock fines,
2% hydrated lime filler, and a
binding agent of 4.1% to 4.3%
100- penetration grade asphal
The pervious mix also includ s
0,4% of an amine -type antist Ip-
ping agent.
The Danish experiments f Ilow
the precedents set in Engla d and
the U.S. England has use open -
graded friction cours since
1yb7, and pervious friction
Courses are becoming more
common in the U.S. when skid
prevention is necessary.
More information on the de-
sign and construction of open -
graded asphalt pavement is avail-
able from the Asphalt Institute,
College Park, Md. Ask for
Open - Graded Asphalt Friction
Courses, publication No. 10 in the
Institute's Construction Leaflet
series. ■■
Wearing course deAgn mix vs. job mix, Bartlesville municipal airport
Sieve - Design Limits
Size (i passing)
Job Mix
(i passing)
3/& -inch ! 100
100
No. 4 25 -65
33
No. 8 15 -25
20.6
No. 16 3 -15
13.6
No. 200 3-5
4.1'
% Asphalt 5.0 -8.0
7.0'"
'Includes 1.5° hydrated lime
•60 -70 pen ration asphalt with 2.0 ppm DC -200 silicone agent
> resurfacing the old pavement, a three -ft
plastic strip was placed over all cracks
joints to prevent reflection cracking.
MARCH 1975 / THE AMERICAN CITY • 65
t
connes.back to life
our 10 -story office building, City
Center I, on the urban renewal
property along the plaza.
The other. requirements were -
■ A municipally financed parking
garage to act mmodate vehicles
for the office wilding.
■ A pecleStriar walkway connect-
ing the office building with the
parking garage and the plaza.
We've been fortunate to com-
plete all three requirements, and
.construction f the office build-
ing and several other buildings is
now completed. Other facilities
are in various stages of planning.
In fact, a federal post office — to
serve as a regional distribution
center — is scheduled to be
under construction this summer.
Our $7.4-million parking facility
contains space for 920 cars.
Rather than prc viding parking on
the street level it was built with
40,000 sq ft of space for shops
along the pla a. The building,
which was dedicated in February,
is an attractive addition to the
city's skyline.
We built the pedestrian con-
nector under t e plaza to City
Center I. It can be extended to
service other ne1V buildings plan-
ned in the area.
Youngstown residents and bus-
iness people are so happy with
the revitalization that the city ad-
ministration and city council is
considering extension of the
plaza for three blocks further
west on Federal Street, at an esti-
mated cost of $1 74 million. This
project will assurne high priority
in budgeting of $3.7. million in -
community development funds
the city will re eive. this year.
While the p aza extension
would be ped strian- oriented
and designed to arry out the re-
laxed, informal t eme, it might
have to accom Odate a traffic City -owned 920 -car parking facility can service new buildings at the
lane to handle se vicing needs of east end of the Youngstown Federal Plaza. Built with
businesses in the hree- blocks. �■ municipal renewal funds, the $7.4 million garage provides
40 000 ft
_y" " u�uc "y dnv riowers nelp make the
Plaza pleasant and informal
sq of retail space on the ground level.
68 • THE AMERICAN CITY / MARCH 1975
9
By EDMUND J SALATA, P.E.,
Deputy Director of Public
Works and City Engineer,.
Youngstown, Ohio ■ Down-
town Youngstown (pop. 140,000)
is alive and well People are com-
ing - back. Stores that threatened
to leave have Jecided to stay.
Retail sales, byo r barometers, are
up anywhere fr m 10% to 15 %.
Our revitaliza ion was spurred
by completion last fall of the
three -block Youngstown Federal
Plaza. Named fc r the major busi-
ness artery it is n, the plaza was
built with $2 million in bond issue
funds.
Resulting renewal activities are
very much a par nership between
the city and p ivate investment
based on the city's commitment
to its own future, in the form of
the plaza funding. As a result:
■ A private developer has con-
structed a 10 -st ry, 100,000 -sq ft
office building downtown.
■ A major bank ias committed $5
million to expan ion and rehabili-
tation.
Two major department stores
are putting r ioney in their
downtown estal lishments.
■ Local merchai its are fixing up
their stores on t ieir own to make
them more attra tive and in keep-
ing with the newly revitalized city
center.
Over the, past 15 years, several
concepts for a pedestrian mall
along Federal treet had been
proposed. All involved rebuilding
the street 16 feet below grade
through Central Square, with the
plaza extending over the road-
way. These plans called for isolat-
ing pedestrians Irom traffic.
This concept created two major
problems:
First, going underground would
add $2 million t the initial con-
struction price tag.
Second, mz ny operations
housed in the basements of two
banks located oi Central Square
extended out ur der sidewalks.
In addition, construction would
have created hardship for the
other property abutters, the very
people we were trying to help.
For a while ii looked like no
plan was going to succeed. But
under the very active leadership
of Jack C. Hunter, who became
mayor in 1970, a new plan was
proposed.
The alternate plan, prepared by
architects and engineers Glaus,
Pyle, Schomer, Burns and DeHa-
ven, Inc., and landscape architect
James H. Bassett, Inc., called for
renovation .of the Central Square
area of Federal Street with a
plaza -like atmosphere, but would
still allow vehicular traffic.
Under the plan, the median
strip of the square was elongated
and narrowed, allowing for both
.north and south traffic with a
pick -up, drop -off lane on either
side. Crossing points were lo-
cated at two quarter points, and
traffic signs were to be coordi-
nated with intersection signals to
ensure safe crossing.
City officials were enthusiastic
about the plan, but many
businessmen were still making
plans to leave downtown. To get
vital support, at the request of the
city, the architects prepared a
slide presentation spelling out the
virtues of plazas in general and
the. proposed Youngstown plaza
in particular.
After seeing the presentation,
the businessmen realized the
combination plan was practical,
handsome and functional and
that vehicles and pedestrians
could both be served,while retain-
ing the general pedestrian atmo-
sphere. They decided to give it a
chance.
Construction began in Novem-
ber 1973, and the plaza officially
opened in October 1974. Inciden-
tally, for the week -long opening
festivities, local business leaders
raised $70,000 for promotion —
and many of these individuals and
firms were not even located in
the plaza area.
Along the plaza the architects
.used tree -lined curved walkways
of concrete with exposed aggre-
gate surface of paving brick, in-
formal arrangements of pedes-
trian shelters, benches and other
furnishings. Two sculptured
water fountains provide a warm,
personal atmosphere.
A special feature of the plaza is
a sunken amphitheater at the east
end. Measuring 125'x250', it is
large enough to stage such events
as band concerts, style shows and
outdoor exhibits.
Lighted fountains create a
dramatic gateway effect at the
east and west entries to the plaza
off Central Square. People just
come to enjoy the surrounding.
The plaza was one of three pub-
licly financed elements and pre-
requisites that influenced the pri-
vate developer who constructed
Sculptured water fountain creates a gateway effect at the plaza entry off
Youngstown's Central Square. Water flowing over the petal -like shapes
adds a pleasing visual and audible impact.
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