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TO THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND:
THE SUB-COMMITTEE HAS INSPECTED THE MINUTES OF THE
February 25,2019
MEETING OF THE COUNCIL AND FOUND THEM TO BE CORRECT.
THEREFORE,WE RECOMMEND THE SAME BE APPROVED:
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APPROVED BY THE COMMON COUNCIL ON: March 25, 2019
ATTEST: A
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REGULAR MEETING February 25, 2019
Be it remembered that the Common Council of the City of South Bend, Indiana met in the Council
Chambers of the County-City Building on Monday, February 25, 2019 at 7:00 p.m. The meeting
was called to order by Council President Tim Scott and the Invocation(Minister Laquita Aldridge-
Hughes, New Horizons Outreach Ministries) and Pledge to the Flag were given.
Council President Tim Scott also asked for a moment of silence for past Council Member Ann
Puzzello.
ROLL CALL
COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT:
Tim Scott 1St District, President
Regina Williams-Preston 2nd District
Sharon L. McBride 3rd District
Jo M. Broden 4th District
Jake Teshka 5th District
Oliver J. Davis 6th District
John Voorde At-Large, Chairperson Committee of the Whole
Gavin Ferlic At-Large
Karen L. White At-Large, Vice President
OTHERS PRESENT:
Kareemah Fowler City Clerk
Jennifer Coffinan Chief Deputy Clerk
Bianca Tirado Deputy Clerk
Graham Sparks Clerk Executive Assistant
Bob Palmer Council Attorney
Elivet Navarro Council Intern
REPORT FROM THE SUB-COMMITTEE ON MINUTES
Councilmember Gavin Ferlic made a motion that the minutes of the February 11th, 2019 meeting
of the Council be accepted and placed on file. Councilmember Oliver Davis seconded the motion
which carried by a voice vote of nine (9) ayes.
SPECIAL BUSINESS
There was no special business at this time.
REPORTS OF CITY OFFICES
Representing the City Administration: Laura O'Sullivan, Chief of Staff
RESOLVE INTO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE
At 7:05 p.m. Councilmember Karen White made a motion to resolve into the Committee of the
Whole. Councilmember Oliver Davis seconded the motion which carried by a voice vote of nine
(9) ayes. Councilmember John Voorde, Chairperson, presiding.
REGULAR MEETING February 25, 2019
Councilmember John Voorde explained the procedures to be followed for tonight's meeting in
accordance with Article 1, Section 2-11 of the South Bend Municipal Code.
Councilmember Tim Scott made a motion to move Bill No. 05-19 before 03-19. Councilmember
Jo M. Broden seconded this motion which carried by a voice vote of nine (9) ayes.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
BILL NO.
69-18 PUBLIC HEARING ON AN ORDINANCE
AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND
SEEKING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2610 EAST
JEFFERSON BOULEVARD, COUNCILMANIC
DISTRICT NO. 3 IN THE CITY OF SOUTH
BEND, INDIANA
Councilmember Oliver Davis, chair of the Zoning and Annexation Committee, reported that they
met this afternoon and, given time constraints, send this bill forward with no recommendation.
Jordan Wyatt, Planner for the Area Plan Commission with offices located on the 11th floor of the
County-City Building, South Bend, IN, served as the presenter for this bill. Mr. Wyatt stated, The
petitioner is requesting a zone change from OB, Office Buffer District to MF-One (1), Urban
Corridor/Multi-Family District. They are also seeking a special exception use for a group
residence. To the north (referencing a presentation which is available in the City Clerk's Office)
across Jefferson Boulevard are Single-Family homes zoned MF-Two (2), High-Density Multi-
Family District. To the east is an office zoned OB, Office Buffer District. To the south are two (2)
family homes zoned MF-One (1), Urban Corridor/Multi-Family District. To the west is an office
zoned OB, Office Buffer District. On site currently is an office building and parking lot. The site
plan shows the office and parking lot will remain. This rezoning comes to you with an unfavorable
recommendation from the Area Plan Commission and the special exception comes to you with no
recommendation from the Area Plan.
Councilmember Karen White asked, Could you mention the reasons why this came with an
unfavorable recommendation.
Mr. Wyatt replied, They weren't able to come to a successful motion to carry.
Edward Fisher, 303 East 3rd Street, Mishawaka, IN, served as a petitioner for this legislation. Mr.
Fisher stated, I'm a registered surveyor. I'm here representing Richard Patterson, the owner of
Think Big LLC, the owner of the building. This is a dual petition. The first (1st) portion of which
is to rezone from OB, Office Buffer to MF-One (1), Urban Corridor/Family District. We are also
seeking a special exception for use of the property as a sober living facility and group residence.
Here in attendance with me are the Executive Director of Choices Recovery, the potential user of
the property, the Outreach Coordinator for US Addiction Services and also with me is the Project
Manager for TIA Corporation, the proposed new owner, Patrick Gerrard. I'm here to address the
MF-One (1) rezoning, the rest are here to explain to you about the special exception. As you saw
on the drawing(referencing a slide in the presentation), the property on the south, we are outlined
in red,is zoned Multi-Family. The property to the west across 26th Street is also Multi-Family. The
property to the north is Multi-Family. To the east is a dentist's office and then to the east of it are
Multi-Family residential properties. The other OB on the west side is a parking lot and then
abutting our parking lot is a vacant duplex. So, in general the neighborhood is MF-One (1). We
don't feel a change to MF-One(1) is out of the question. If you have any questions about the MF-
One (1), I really believe that addresses the issue. The more urgent issue, and why everybody is
here, is for the special exception. If I may, I will yield my time to others to address that issue.
Alicia Brown, 19532 Sunset Lane, South Bend, IN, served as a petitioner for this legislation. Ms.
Brown provided packets of additional information(which are available in the City Clerk's Office)
to Council Members.
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Brandon Adolf, 2734 Sampson Street, South Bend, IN, served as a petitioner for this legislation.
Mr. Adolf stated, First (1St) and foremost, thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for letting us come
here tonight. I will go over some of the information in that packet and kind of do an introduction.
Choices Recovery, we are an in-patient drug and alcohol treatment facility. We are State-licensed
and CARF-Accredited, which is the highest accreditation level a rehab facility can have. We
recently did that survey the 10th and 11th of December 2018. We passed that survey with a three
(3) year accreditation, which is the highest level you can get through that. Choices currently
services people from a wide variety of life. We do everything from medical detox to intensive out-
patient. We offer evidence-based treatment based off of ASAM Criteria including one (1) on one
(1)case management and medical detox by our Medical Director of Addictionology,Emma Wong.
Mr. Adolf continued, Again, like I stated, Choices Recovery has been operating for a little over
four (4) years at 3606 East Jefferson Boulevard,just point three (0.3) miles down the street from
this proposed location. In 2018,Choices had five hundred and forty-one(541)successful graduates
from its program. It serviced two hundred and forty-one (241) clients from the State of Indiana
and one hundred and twelve (112) clients within a thirty(30) mile radius. To speak to you about
the sober living we are proposing, those of you that may not know what a sober living is, it is an
out-patient supervised and structured living environment that works in combination with evidence-
based treatment, one (1) on one (1) counseling, one (1) on one (1) case management, provided
transportation, physical fitness, nutrition and workforce preparation. Choices Recovery currently
tracks all of its patients for one(1)year through our After-Care Department. Not only do we reach
out to the individual clients, but we reach out to every immediate family member they release on
their information to gather information from them. Through the data we have collected through
our After-Care Department, we see that our clients are two and a half(2.5) times more likely to
stay sober if they attend a sober living facility, like the one (1) that is being proposed today, as
opposed to returning home.
Mr. Adolf went on, I think even more importantly, as we have tracked through our clients,
unfortunately, to the disease of addiction, which many times left untreated is deadly, we had five
(5)patients die after receiving treatment. All of those patients returned immediately home and did
not go to a sober living facility. Unfortunately,there are little to no resources in our area. Although
we do have similar facilities like Upper Room, Dismas House, Jane's House, and Oxford House,
all of these are full or near-full with many of them having a waiting list, and none of these offers
evidence-based treatment in combination. The large majority of these resources are strictly
housing. I would like to read our sober living mission statement.Our sober living program supports
recovery and stability from drug addiction, by providing and reinforcing a positive healing
environment. Detoxification and substance abuse treatment are only the beginning in the recovery
process. It is our goal to assist beyond treatment and provide residents the foundation in skills they
need to achieve complete physical, emotional and spiritual health that can last a lifetime.
Mr. Adolf continued, I would now like you to look through your packet. We have attached a
combination of pictures for you,hoping to give you a little bit of visual evidence to go along with
the facility. If you look at picture one (1) provided to you in the packet, that would be an example
of what a bedroom would look like at this new facility. Picture two (2) is also an example of what
a bedroom would look like at this new facility. Getting to picture three (3) gets to the security
systems that are currently in place at Choices Recovery. Although our patients are all there
voluntarily, we do everything we can in precautions by providing a high-tech security system and
fully-trained security staff, twenty-hour (24) hours a day, three hundred and sixty-five (365) days
a year. If you look at picture three (3), that is the keypad and intercom that is the entrance to our
facility. Picture four (4) is a picture of our current gate at Choices Recovery. Picture five (5) is a
photo of an exterior camera that we have installed at Choices Recovery. Picture six (6) is a photo
of an interior camera. Picture seven(7)is, ultimately, our security system screen. This exact same
camera system and video system would be installed at the new facility. We are looking at an
estimated fifteen(15) cameras to provide full coverage for the interior and exterior of the building.
All of this video will be backed up to a hard drive that would be stored for at least one(1) year. If
there are any incidents that occur, we can clip those and save those onto another drive for review.
Mr. Adolf went on, In addition to the security system, we plan on having two (2) to three(3) staff
members for each shift to provide twenty-four (24) hour coverage, seven (7) days a week, three
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hundred sixty-five (365) days a year. The leader of the staff will be a certified recovery coach and
behavior interventionist that is working under the direction of a licensed Master's-level counselor.
If you continue on through the packet provided, we have a layout of the building and we have
drawn in there the changes that we would like to make as well as the bed layout we are looking at
implementing. Currently, if you look at the top left of that page, the left side of that parking lot is
open as you can also see from the pictures. We do plan on putting a privacy fence and also a gate
there to make that more secure. In addition to that, we are going to have to add some toilets and
showers to the property. If you look to the bottom-left corner, you will see a room currently sixty-
seven(67) square feet. We plan on adding two (2) toilets to that room. Just south of that, we plan
on adding a shower room with four(4) showers.Also, in the sleep area labeled seven hundred and
twenty-four(724) square feet, we plan on building two (2) additional bedrooms. That would bring
our total to ten(10)bedrooms, looking at housing twenty(20)patients.
Mr. Adolf continued, During this process, we have tried to do a lot of community outreach. We
have received a lot of positive feedback and have many people here today to support us.
Additionally, we have received some negative feedback and hypothetical situations that have
caused fear or reduction in property value. We understand that many of these issues are very
serious and we will work our absolute hardest to ensure we provide safety not only to our clients
but our community. Even with all of this, all of the members we have met with that have been
opposed to this project have had one (1) fundamental agreement - that this is great for our
community and is needed greatly. However, they just do not want it near them. I want you guys to
look at the facts. The facts are Choices Recovery has been point three(0.30)miles down the street
from this current location in this neighborhood. It has been there operating for over four(4) years.
It has an even more vulnerable population housing detox and RTC-level of care patients who are
at the height of their withdrawal. Even if all these situations are hypothetical,we have not had any
issues in our four (4) years that we have been there. Our largest complaints that we have heard
from the community to date has been a volleyball going over our fence and our music being too
loud during a Fourth (4th) of July barbeque. I do know those are serious and we will work very
hard with our clients to keep the noise down, but I just hope that in this day and age, 2019, with
the epidemic affecting our country, that most likely will take the life of one(1)of my good friends
today, we value human life over potential property value reduction and hypothetical fear.
Ms. Brown stated, I serve as the Outreach Coordinator for US Addiction Services. I'm also the
President and Founder of a local non-profit organization called F.A.N.S. As a resident of South
Bend, Indiana, for the past two (2) years and a resident of St. Joseph County for the past thirteen
(13)years,I currently stand before you five and a half(5.5)years in recovery from opiate addiction.
This was a ten (10) year-long battle of my life. During my life in active addiction, I did serve a
total of five (5) years in the Department of Corrections through three (3) separate incidents. I did
serve executed time in St. Joseph County Community Corrections and probation. However, in my
recovery, I worked to initiate change in our community and throughout the State. I stand before
you tonight as someone who needed these services back in 2007 and could not get them because
they were not available here in our community yet, when I needed them. I was married at the time
of my addiction and incarceration and I had good health insurance. I had the means but no local
resources. I vowed that if I was ever given the chance, I would pave the way for others in the same
predicament. I have often heard people ask, what can we do? Or they say,we should do something
about this. On the flipside, I've heard,you don't belong here.You're never going to be clean. Who
does she think she is?And,most recently,you should have died and taken another addict with you.
Harsh, right?
Ms. Brown continued, Well, I stand here tonight, proud to be alive, who I am today and all that I
have accomplished on behalf of other addicts and the addicts that are still suffering. I believe there
is a time for change, ladies and gentlemen, and I believe that time of change is now. I have had the
opportunity of getting out in our community and discussing this at great lengths. I appreciate the
feedback, both good and bad, because it has allowed us, as new staff of Choices Recovery, who
has only been on staff since 2018, to make some decisions and much needed improvement. So,
tonight, I bring a letter that is also in your packet, and it is a letter of intent. We have found that
there have been some noise issues and complaints at our current location of Choices and we want
to fix that. So, we have a letter of intent that for the next six (6) months we are going to improve
those things by working with the local members of our immediate area. We have worked to try
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and meet with some of them. We still need to work with them and have it surveyed. But, in the
next six (6)months, we plan on putting in the trees,the privacy fence and other things in that have
been requested. I did want to make sure to bring that letter of intent and those things will be done
in the next six (6)months. If there is a problem, we want to solve it.
Ms. Brown went on, That being said, I want to talk briefly about who our client is. That is what
we keep hearing. I don't want the drug addicts in my neighborhood. Ladies and gentlemen, the
drug addicts are in your neighborhood.They are in your churches.They are in the places you work.
The fact of the matter is the clientele that we serve are people that come from private insurance.
These are people just like you and me,that find themselves in an addiction problem and they need
help, but they are afraid to ask for help. Our client is an average twenty-seven (27) year old male
with two (2) children and married. We've had people come to us and say we are going to import
sex offenders. Ladies and gentlemen of the City Council, I am here to tell you that sex offenders
cannot live at our facility because it is within 1,000 feet of a school district. And it's not even
allowed at our facility. Plus,we have a very high priority in terms of the application process.These
individuals must have already completed in-patient treatment to even come in here and we are
going to have high standards for clients to stay. This place is not for a person to just be a flophouse,
or a dormitory. This is a place of life-changing and evidence-based programming for people to get
back on their feet.
Ms. Brown continued, Ladies and gentlemen of the City Council, I know tonight, South Bend
prides itself on being a City of diversity and inclusion. We want inclusive practices, yet, we don't
know where to put them. I have a place. I proposed a place. I proposed a place for twenty (20)
beds for maybe somebody that you know that can live in our community,work in our community,
get well in our community and get right back to working in our community. Admit it or not, we
all know someone that needs the help. In this room, tonight, we all know someone. I beg of our
community. I understand the fear, but I am asking for us to give this a chance not because it's a
for-profit business but because it is saving someone's life. On the way here, Brandon got word of
a gentleman he has known his whole life, in critical condition,due to an overdose. I commend him
for even being able to stand here tonight and talk about this.
Ms. Brown went on, So, in conclusion, what am I asking the City Council to do? What are the
mountain of supporters that we have tonight asking the City Council to do? I'm asking you to
consider what we are doing in our community. I'm asking you to look at these twenty (20) beds
and I'm asking you to vote yes for the citizens of the community who need you right now and who
need this. Thank you so much for the opportunity of hearing what we have to say. And for those
of you who disagree with what we are doing. I appreciate you, I respect you,I respect your opinion,
but these resources saved my life personally. And I am a mother of a six(6)year old little boy who
I enjoy every day. Thank you.
Councilmember Tim Scott stated, I have a concern about the fencing. Knowing that it's a corner
lot, I believe you have to have a certain percentage open on that fencing. Are you guys considering
a chain link or something else?
Ms. Adolf replied, We haven't officially decided on that yet. I think we are looking at, at least for
a section of it, a privacy fence and then maybe where the main gate is, in the middle, chain link.
Councilmember Tim Scott stated, This is going to go on, so I will send you guys some
recommendations. But for myself, personally, I would like to see something that would fit a
neighborhood and something a little more decorative that works for you guys. I want higher quality
than chain-link.
Ms. Brown interjected, Absolutely.
Ms. Adolf replied, Yeah, and we want to be able to provide something that gives a little bit of
safety and security to our patients and also to the community. We don't want somebody that is
right across the way at a business to see all of our patients loading the bus in the morning and
heading to treatment, you know what I mean? We want to have some privacy for them, too. A lot
of these people are members of the community and someone could recognize them. We don't want
that to happen.
Councilmember Tim Scott followed up, Yeah. Thank you.
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Councilmember Jo M. Broden stated, Thank you for your presentation and the amount of detail
you've provided Council tonight as well as in previous meetings in the community. I know you
have reached out to individuals in the fourth (4th) District and I appreciate that as the Council
Member representing them. I do have a couple of definition questions. I want to know what I'm
voting on, like, really explicitly, all right? Your facility Choices, what is it characterized as within
State Code?What is its actual technical name, IRS, or whatever,what level at the State does it fall
under in terms of a definition?
Mr. Adolf clarified, Are you meaning as far as our licensure goes?
Councilmember Jo M. Broden followed up, Licensure, right.
Mr. Adolf replied, It is a substance abuse treatment facility.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden followed up, Ok.And then in terms of,I heard you say you qualified
for a three(3) year, and you had an inspection, is that every three(3) years?
Mr.Adolf replied, It depends on how you pass the inspection,ma'am. So,the CARF-Accreditation
is a nationwide accreditation and, like I said, it is the highest level you can get for a drug and
alcohol treatment facility. When they come in, it is a two (2) day survey with two (2)people. One
(1) of the individuals is looking at the administration side of things and the other is looking at the
clinical and medical side. Each is an expert in that area. It is over 2,000 topics they survey us on
and we can have either a recommendation, suggestion or pass on each one (1) of those topics. A
recommendation basically means you need to change it, a suggestion is take it or leave it and pass.
Out of those 2,000 topics, we only had eight (8)recommendations. Based off of that, we qualified
for the three (3) year accreditation. You can either fail the accreditation, get a one (1) year or a
three(3) year. So, we got the three (3) year accreditation. It will be every three (3) years, moving
forward, as long as we continue to meet those standards.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden followed up, Alright, so that is locked in as long as you meet the
standard.
Mr. Adolf confirmed,Yes.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden then asked, Related to that, terminology-wise, the facility that you
are proposing, what is its classification at the State-level, accreditation and inspection? What are
you proposing?
Mr. Adolf replied, It's a sober living facility. That is exactly what it would be.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden stated, The reason I ask is because I've heard quite a few terms
such as transitional and the ordinance itself says group home, so I just want to quantify it.
Mr. Adolf stated, Yeah, we would classify it as a sober living facility.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden stated, Ok. Then, does that have any accreditation screens that
accompany that designation?
Mr. Adolf replied, Currently, right now, they don't have a set of accreditations for a sober living
facility. Obviously, for our patients to attend treatment at Choices Recovery, we have to uphold
those standards when they come to Choices for their treatment, but currently at the State level,
there is not an exact accreditation for a sober living facility. After we've been in operation for one
(1) year, then we can apply for the CARF-Accreditation at that location, also.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden followed up, And with those standards, would they be similar?
Mr. Adolf replied, yes.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden exclaimed, Wow.
Mr. Adolf continued, They would be slightly different with the levels of care because at that level
of care, you are dealing with outpatient. So, you are not providing quite the same services. For
instance, there wouldn't be a medical detox at this facility as there is at Choices Recovery.
Councilmember Jo M.Broden interjected,Because you're offering more there is more to look into.
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Mr. Adolf replied, Exactly, ma'am. So, there will be a few less standards just because some of
those services won't be offered, but still, very high-level.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden stated, Ok, thank you. I appreciate the building layout because one
(1) of my questions was about occupancy. You are proposing twenty(20)?
Mr. Adolf replied,Yes, ma'am.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden followed up, And that is firm? Would you be willing to make a
commitment to that level for now and going forward?
Mr. Adolf replied, We would. Absolutely, ma'am.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden continued, And then, what are your calculations for occupancy? I
see a mix of two (2)to a bedroom, some are three(3), and I don't count twenty(20) as I'm one(1)
bed short when I'm quickly doing this but what do you base those calculations on?
Mr. Adolf replied, There are two (2) ways to do it. We could either take the entire square footage
of the entire building and divide that by one hundred and twenty(120) square feet. Or, you could
take just the bedrooms and divide that by seventy (70) square feet. So, either one (1). If you look
up in the notes, at the seventy(70) square feet calculation,just adding up the sleep area, the sleep
area alone is currently 1,753 square feet, and at that square footage, our maximum occupancy load
is twenty-five (25) people. I think one (1) thing to keep in mind here, too, ladies and gentlemen,
our patients will be coming to Choices Recovery to eat their meals, attend their classes, use our
gym, and so things like a kitchen will not be needed at this space.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden stated, Thank you for the clarification on the occupancy because
there was some concern, initially, about numbers and capacity. Related to that, you mentioned the
staff-to-client ratio, is that based on best practices in the field?
Mr. Adolf replied, Yes. That is based on our standard and what we expect for around twenty(20)
clients. Like I said, we plan on having two (2) security guards on, for every shift, seven(7) days a
week, twenty-four (24) hours a day, and that would be the minimum. So, we are looking at three
(3) and that third (3rd) person is a peer recovery coach and also a trained behavior interventionist.
All of our behavior interventionists have to work under the guidance of a Master's level counselor.
They cannot do any type of intervention without consulting with that patient's counselor, prior to.
They have to go off of their recommendation.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden then asked, Do you anticipate that the staffing could fluctuate from
one (1) facility to the other?
Mr. Adolf replied, Yeah and Choices, itself, is going to have a much higher staff load. Currently,
I have sixty-four(64) employees plus five(5) contractors. So, there are a lot more staff at Choices
currently,but again,you are provided a lot more services there. We have full kitchen staff,security
staff, transport staff, case management staff,personal trainers, nutritionists, and so there is a lot of
additional staff that goes into the actually service versus just supervising the living.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden followed up, And you had stated that within a year, you anticipate
applying for the similar regulatory accreditation?
Mr. Adolf replied,Yes,the standards to be able to apply for that accreditation includes having had
been open for at least one (1) year. That is so there is enough evidence to go through. As I said, it
is a very intense two (2) day survey. They are digging up financials, medical records, everything.
In order to compile enough data, you have to have been open for at least a year.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden then stated, Forgive me for this next question but I come from the
long-term care background. Are your surveys announced and are they scheduled dates or are they
surprises?
Mr. Adolf replied, They are announced. We schedule them, and they are announced. We can have
surprise inspections from the State and insurance companies. There are a lot of other guidelines
we must adhere to other than just our CARF-Accreditation.
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Councilmember Jo M. Broden stated, Thank you for that clarification. Then my last question, I
believe. Why not build at your current property? That question has been presented to me,
repeatedly.
Mr. Adolf replied, You know, I've heard that question come up and I think our best answer for
that is not only the budget but the necessity of having a facility quickly. The time it would take to
survey, excavate, draw plans and actually put a facility together is quite time-consuming. The
reality is, we are trying to serve as many people as possible, and unfortunately, with the epidemic
we have, there are a lot of times Choices is at max capacity and we are turning patients away. A
lot of people are having to leave their community to seek sober living facilities like this. So, we
have something that will be, like I said, point three (0.3)miles down the road, it fits our needs and
it is ready to go.
Ms.Brown stated, I would like to add to that,as well.The need for the person graduating treatment,
that in itself is this glorious feeling to be done with treatment. You leave there, and you move on
to the next step. This is the next step to almost home. So, there is a little bit more leeway and a
little bit more freedom. It is freeing for the person in recovery. So,it's a great way to take that next
step before going home and living outside of that bubble that is being inside a treatment facility.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden then asked, So then what are the distinguishing elements with the
sober living facility? If the next step is home, right? What are the distinguishing elements? You
haven't included a kitchen, you know? I don't see a rec room and those types of things. But what
are the distinguishing elements? I'm sure it gets to programming and I'll let you take it away from
there.
Mr. Adolf replied, The biggest thing is having supervised living in a safe, positive and healthy
environment. For a lot of our patients,home is a hostile place.Whether they have a family member
or spouse that drinks or even a bad marriage, there are a number of things that trigger our patients
at home to use and there is no one(1)there to supervise them. Having somebody twenty-four(24)
hours a day, not only to hold you accountable but to support you. When they walk past an
individual and they can tell someone is being down, our staff reach out. They want to see how
they're doing, and they want to get them in to see their counselor if they are having a tough day.
So,to have those trained staff members there to supervise and support you,twenty-four(24)hours
a day, is really the main distinguisher between that and going home.
Ms. Brown stated, And I want to clarify, when we talk about supervision, we aren't talking about
a level of corrections supervision. We are talking supervision in terms of your mood. Depression
is very rampant among people with addiction and, right now, suicide is at an all time high. So,
when we talk about supervision, we are not talking about the corrections-level of supervision. The
gates are needed because of what's in there. The gates actually, at Choices, are to keep people out
and unhealthy people away from the people who are seeking and desiring change.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden stated, That is a good distinction, I appreciate that point. So, thank
you very much.
Councilmember Oliver Davis stated, Thank you for what you do. I have a couple of questions. If
you want to write them down, then you can go for it. What lead you to this location, number one
(1)? Number two (2), did you look at other locations? And, if so, what were the key differences
with this current proposed versus the other locations.Number four(4),were there any other zoning
requirements at any of the other locations that would have come before the Council? Number five
(5), who are your other competitors that do similar work here in the City of South Bend or nearby?
I would like those kinds of things for that and what distinguishes you from your other competitors
from that standpoint.You said that people were going to be walking from one(1)place to the other
place for that, could you clarify that? That is my sixth(6th) and final question, at this present time.
Mr. Adolf replied, So, what led us to this current location was both me and our realtor looking for
a couple of months. We've looked at multiple different locations across the community. The only
thing we found that was a residential multi-family were very large apartment complexes, a lot of
them being close to $1 million. Frankly, that isn't even close to being in our budget. On the other
side of it, we found many small apartment complexes or small duplexes that could maybe house,
at max, eight (8) to ten (10) people. To try and get to the twenty (20) beds we would need, we
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would probably need to have two (2) to three (3) locations spread out in the City. For us, that
would mean more staff and it would be more difficult to supervise. We would need more
transportation as they would be further away. So ultimately, what led us to this location was that
it was close by and that is convenient for our transport drivers to get the patients to and from
treatment, work and school. Also, it was a large enough building that gets us close to that twenty
(20) to twenty-five (25)beds we are looking for. And, it's a good layout. If you look at the layout
of the building, a large majority of the bedrooms are just down one (1) hallway. With the camera
system, one (1) guard can see the entire interior and exterior of the building by turning his head.
Other zoning requirements depended on the facilities. Some of them were just zoned residential.
Maybe they were large homes that we would have had to try and get a special use permit for.
Others were already residential and multi-family but were just too large of a dwelling for what we
were looking for. Competitors for similar treatment in our area,the only thing that really compares
to us would be the Life Treatment Center. The big difference is that they don't offer a medical
detox.
Councilmember Oliver Davis asked,You're closest is Life Treatment Center? And the closest one
(1) outside of that, in terms of other cities, would be what?
Mr. Adolf replied, Probably Recovery Works in Merrillville.
Ms. Brown stated, There is a Recovery Works out in Merrillville but if we are talking about
sending patients we get that we need to send to sober living, we send them to Minnesota, Florida
or California because we also want to send our patients to a facility that is CARF-Accredited. We
want to send them to a place that we know will be beneficial to them.
Councilmember Oliver Davis then asked,Do they only get sent to for-profit areas or have you also
considered non-profit areas? What are you looking at?
Ms. Brown replied, We do send most to for-profit, but we have some amazing non-profit sober
living houses in our area such as Jane's House and Dismas House and those kinds of things. But,
their services are little bit different than the services we provide, in terms of the care. But,they are
amazing facilities.
Councilmember Oliver Davis followed up, And the last question regarding the walking to and
from for eating purposes?
Mr. Adolf replied, They will be transported. We have two (2) large fourteen (14)-passenger vans
and the idea is that the staff members at the facility would also be trained, secondarily, as a
transport driver. A typical day is waking up at 7:00 a.m., 7:30 a.m. you are transported to Choices,
8:00 a.m.to 8:30 a.m.they eat breakfast,then from 8:30 a.m.to 12:30 p.m.you have your intensive
out-patient classes combined with either a counseling or case management session, 12:30 p.m. to
1:30 p.m. for lunch,at 1:30 p.m.the patient would then either go to their job or school,return home
at 9:30 p.m. and then curfew is 11:00 p.m.
Councilmember Karen White stated, Thank you for the information and for the work that you do.
Regarding one(1)page of your literature, you talked about the admissions process. You indicated
individuals must apply to be admitted. What do you look at? How do you select individuals? And
what is the length of that selection process?
Ms. Brown replied, I think at this time,we are actually considering an advisory board, constructed
by people in the community to help us choose, as well. So, right now, we are kind of in the early
stages of deciding on how we are going to do that process. But, these individuals have to come
with references from the treatment program they were in. We have to know they are compliant in
the treatment facilities they have partaken in. We also want to make sure that they are going to fit
in. Why do they want to come to this sober living? Are they coming back home close to family?
Is it because they have children? All things need to be considered in terms of these twenty (20)
beds. They are going to go fast. We want to make sure we are bringing in the right people for the
community in which we live and in which we serve.
Mr.Adolf stated,I would like to add,too,that this facility will be single-sex,either male or female.
Just the way the layout is, there is no good way of breaking it up to separate those genders.
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Currently, right now, we are leaning towards it being all female, but we have yet to make a
distinction.
Councilmember Karen White stated,You have mentioned you haven't decided in terms of having
the advisory board. If this is approved, what is the timeframe in terms of establishing that advisory
board? If you look at other boards in the community, what is the training process that would be in
place for you all to identify who all should be selected? My other question, what is the pool from
which you will be making the selection from? What is the number of individuals that will be in the
pool?
Ms. Brown replied, Starting with your first (1St) question, we really would like to have a ninety
(90) day process to really look at an advisory board. That gives us three (3) months. You know,
there are still things that have to be done once this approval, I hope, goes into place. Then,we will
start looking at who we want on that board and people that can help us with that. We would love
it to be members of the community. Obviously,there is HIPPA Compliance there as well. So,there
will have to be some paperwork signed for confidentiality, of course. But, we also want to look at
the ninety (90) day process for that. The pool from which we pull from will be from references
and referrals from case managers and clinical therapists, as well. That is the pool of individuals.
I'm sure people may hear about it and may want to write-in,but it is still going to follow the same
referral process of coming from our staff.
Councilmember Karen White stated, I heard mentioned twenty (20) beds. Will it be twenty (20)
individuals based on the beds that you have? I heard twenty(20) to twenty-five(25), so, I want to
make sure that we're talking about the exact number of individuals that could possibly be housed
here at this location.
Mr. Adolf replied, So, the maximum occupancy is twenty-five (25) but we are making a
commitment to the Council tonight to twenty(20). I think we can comfortably house twenty(20)
people. I don't think there is any need to try and shove any more than that in there. I think twenty
(20) is a good number. We would be satisfied with that.
Councilmember Karen White clarified, So, you will not go over that number if this was, indeed,
approved?
Mr. Adolf confirmed, Agreed. Correct.
Councilmember Karen White then asked, You won't come back here to increase?
Mr.Adolf replied,Our next step would be,and as I said it would all be one(1)gender,but it would
be to try and find another location for the next gender. That is ultimately our next goal and we
wouldn't try to stuff any more into this. Again, this will most likely be all female and we would
try to find another location for our male patients.
Councilmember Jake Teshka stated, I have a couple of things I want to touch on for some
clarification. Will these commitments be written and submitted to Council?
Ms. Brown confirmed, Yes.
Councilmember Jake Teshka followed up, And those commitments, then stay with the property.
So, these commitments are binding and enforceable. The second (2°d) thing I want to ask, and
maybe this question goes to Planning, we've had some special exception before I believe that,
instead of sticking with the property, went to the owner, right?
Mr. Wyatt replied, Special exception uses can't really, legally, be tied to a specific user. They
would be tied to the property itself. If you decide to approve it, you can make as many conditions
on it as you want, it just can't be tied to a specific user.
Councilmember Jake Teshka reiterated, So, it can't be tied to a specific user. Ok. But, it still stays
with the property. The building to the west,the gentleman up earlier referred to it a vacant duplex.
It is, and will remain zoned OB. So, there is no current resident there? It's a residential duplex but
zoned OB?
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Mr. Fisher replied, It is a duplex identical to the other duplexes in the area that are zoned MF-One
(1). It is currently vacant. There was somebody working on it sporadically. I don't know what the
purpose is, but it is the size of all the other duplexes in the area.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden stated, For clarification, though, it is OB.
Mr. Fisher confirmed, Yes, it is.
Councilmember Jo M.Broden stated, It is the same as the current property that you are petitioning.
Mr. Fisher replied, Yes. It is not residential as it is zoned OB. Right next to our building, on our
property, is a concrete parking lot. This duplex is adjacent to the parking lot at our parcel.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden interjected, Same ownership.
Mr. Fisher replied, Mhm, it appears to be, and it shows that way.
Councilmember Jake Teshka stated, With regard to parking, that gets to my next question.
Brandon, you had mentioned shuttle drivers. Are your residents able to have their own vehicle? Is
there sufficient parking for twenty (20) vehicles if that were the case?
Mr. Adolf replied, We do not plan on letting our patients have vehicles. We think that is too much
freedom too early and we do not want that. Again,there is not going to be enough space for parking
and we feel a lot more comfortable transporting our patients. There may come a time in their
treatment where we let them start using Uber or get a bus but that is based on that individual's
progress in treatment and receiving recommendation from the clinical team. But, we plan on
transporting them all.
Councilmember Jake Teshka clarified,And that is to and from work and school,up until that 11:00
p.m. curfew?
Mr. Adolf replied, Yes, sir.
This being the time heretofore set for the Public Hearing on the above bill, proponents and
opponents were given an opportunity to be heard.
Maria Stancati, 57785 Crumstown Highway, South Bend, IN, stated, I'm the Executive Director
of Dismas House of Indiana and I support the sober living house. I think that people need that next
step when they go from rehab to home. There is nothing stabilizing there. So, I think if they have
this intensive out-patient place,that would be good. It has been proven that they need sixteen(16)
to twenty-four (24) hours a week and this would give them what they need to move forward.
Addiction is a disease and I think we all finally realize that, and we need to treat it as such. We
can't just give people ninety (90) days of treatment and then they're all better. That's not what
happens. There are underlying factors and I think most of you agree with and recognize that. We
need to treat the disease. We need to treat people. Maybe people don't like where it's located,but
they've had a great record so far. They are going to have a fence and a gate, and I think we really
need them in our community. Thank you.
Bill Redman, 401 West Sample Street, South Bend, IN, stated, I am the Sheriff of St. Joseph
County. I'm here in support of Choices Recovery. I had the opportunity of being invited when I
was running for the office of Sheriff back in the fall of 2018 to visit Choices. I'll be honest with
you, I had driven past the facility on numerous occasions and never even realized it was there. But
it was brought to my attention when I was invited by Alicia Brown to take a tour of the facility
and learn a little bit more about what they do here locally in our community. I will tell you, I was
extremely impressed with the facility and with the work they do for their clients and for the people
that are in need of assistance,especially because of the addiction issues people are faced with. I've
been a police officer for twenty-five (25) years. We deal with addiction, drug and alcohol abuse
on a day-to-day basis. Now, as the Sheriff of St. Joseph County, I see that kind of behavior even
more while I oversee the day-to-day operations of the jail. I can tell you arresting everybody for
their addictions and the drug and alcohol issues is not the solution. We need more facilities such
as Choices in our neighborhoods in our community. I know it's not favorable among some people
in the neighborhood. I understand that, and those concerns are real concerns we all should be
paying attention to because this is a serious issue dealing with drug and alcohol addiction. I was
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also impressed with the security and the way they had the facility staffed and structured. I thought
it was very impressive. We have many other agencies such as Dismas and Life Treatment Center,
but unfortunately, we need more assistance. That is the reason why I am here today, to support
Choices Recovery and the work that they do.
Scott Leeper, 1518 North Byrkit Avenue, Mishawaka, IN, stated, Good evening, ladies and
gentlemen of the Council. I am absolutely in favor of the sober living facility on Jefferson by
Choices. I am the author of the book Johnny and Addiction: Sink or Swim that launches March
27th. In this book, I talk about my dad's death. I took him off life support in 2012 and I watched
him take his last breath because of an alcohol addiction. Tonight, I want to share some statistics
with you. We have 325.7 million Americans in the US, right now. One (1) in ten (10) Americans
deal with a drug abuse issue. That is ten percent (10%). That also equates to 32.6 million people.
Statistically in this room of about one hundred and fifty(150)people,there are fifteen(15)people
sitting in this room,right now,that are dealing with a drug abuse problem. Everybody in this room,
as a result, as affected by addiction to some degree. The National Institute on Drug Abuse reported
in 1999, there were 16,849 overdose deaths. In 2017, there were 70,237. That is an increase of
53,388 people. That is a four hundred and sixteen-point-eight percent (416.8%) increase in less
than two(2)decades. Seventy percent(70%)of the addicts are gainfully employed and many rehab
facilities have executive rehab programs for those people of influence. Ten to fifteen percent(10%
- 15%) of dentists, no less, will deal with an alcohol or drug addiction in their lifetime. Just
recently, a dentist graduated from Choices. Professions with the highest addiction rate include
health care professionals at an estimated ten to fifteen percent(10%- 15%)as well. Sales, farming,
forestry, fishery, law enforcement, restaurants, and I personally was prescribed over twelve (12)
medications at the same time as a Marine by Naval Medicine. SAMSA, the Substance Abuse and
Mental Health Services Administration stated based on a combined 2009 and 2014 statistic report,
8.7 million children live in a house where at least one(1)parent has an addiction problem. Annual
average, 1.5 million ages zero to two (0 — 2). That is twelve-point eight percent (12.8%) in that
age group. 1.4 million ages three to five (3 — 5). 2.8 million ages six to eleven (6 — 11). And 3
million ages twelve to seventeen (12— 17). In Indiana, according to the Indiana Health Center for
Recovery, one (1) in twenty(20) Hoosiers admitted to abusing opiates iates and that is under reported.
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So, it is estimated at about one(1) in sixteen(16). Eighty-four(84) opioid painkillers are issued to
every one hundred (100) Indiana residents. A vast majority of heroin users started with a
prescription opioid. Almost all addictions start when the affected person is a teenager. The
Coroner's Office is running out of room to store the bodies, literally, stacking up. "I've never seen
anything like this. This is a disease that is actually causing people to die at a rate that I have never
seen in my twenty (20) years of conducting death investigations." That was said by Alfarena
Ballew who is the Chief Deputy Coroner of Marion County. She also says those numbers are
increasing. In St. Joseph County alone, according to addiction center dot corn, in 2015, the
overdose death number outnumbered fatal vehicle crashes and murders combined. Mostly, it was
heroin and opioid pain killers. That is fifty-nine (59) people. On that website, it stated that local
officials say these numbers are staggering but there isn't the typical response to these numbers like
there would be to say if the same number of people were shot and killed. So, ladies and gentlemen,
in support of this sober living facility, as the prayer at the beginning of this night stated, it is our
responsibility and I will add, our mission, to be good stewards of God's grace. Thank you.
Jennifer Knowles, 140 Bercado Circle, Mishawaka, IN, stated, I've been waiting my whole life to
do this. I'm not going to cry. Ms. Knowles provided a picture to the Council. Ms. Knowles stated,
I want to give you a picture of her, so you can see her. Hello. My name is Jennifer Knowles and
my sister Melissa was thirty-six (36) years young when she died from a fatal dose of fentanyl and
heroin this last July. My sister wanted to have a career. She wanted to be able to take care of her
daughter, Olivia, independently. She wanted to get married and have babies. In the twenty (20)
years my sister was fighting a hard addiction to opioid pills, then later became the cheaper and
easier drug heroin. I had about four (4) calls from her where she was crying. I'm dying, Jenny. I
can't do this anymore. I can't stop, and I have to get away. My body is tired and I'm tired of lying
to myself. Of course, my sister was not employed. Her full-time job was being a slave to heroin.
To say Melissa's options were limited would be the understatement of the century. My sisters and
I come from middle class family. We grew up in Granger. We played softball. We joined our local
Brownies squad and we all graduated from Penn High School. Although our parents divorced, we
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never could make my dad go away and give up on us girls. We were loved. My mother worked a
full-time job. She ran us around to sports and choir in the evenings. My stepfather worked at Bosh
and made over $150,000 a year. Raising three (3) girls, a good portion of that went to our school
clothes. Life was good. At sixteen (16), Melissa had a dental procedure and she was prescribed
Vicodin. Right after that, she got mono and she was prescribed Darvocet for two (2) months
straight. By the time the prescriptions were up, my sister was a teenage addict, and no one knew.
Was it school? Was it a boy? No one knew. What we did know was that she was always wanting
to go to the doctor. She was always hurt. She was angry, and she was secretive. Our family did
what most families do, we fought amongst ourselves for years in silence. My dad was tired of the
calls from my mom so one (1) day he picked Melissa up to live with him. He just knew he was
going to save her. Meanwhile,my mother and stepfather began to turn on each other. You see,my
stepfather blamed himself because apparently no one told him that a step child will tell you I hate
you a million times before they tell you I love you. So, he began to drink and gamble privately.
My mother moved us out and started working two (2)jobs. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the new
American family. Please do not fear the addict. They are already here amongst you working,going
to your favorite restaurant and sending their children off to school to play with yours. Ladies and
gentlemen, we have a Mayor that is on the New York Times Best Selling List and he is a
Presidential hopeful. Do we want South Bend, Indiana to be a graveyard or a grace land? Do we
want to be the face of rebuilding our community and giving American families hope? Please do
not let fear divide us.
Skyler Stanton, 4607 South Fellows Street, South Bend, IN, stated, I'm a certified recovery coach
in the State of Indiana. What led me to this? In my Army career, I was airborne, and I tore my
meniscus, broke my ankle and was prescribed opiates. I've been sober for almost five (5) years
now but my brother wasn't so lucky. Throughout my time as a recovery coach, the biggest issue
we have, anywhere in the area, is housing. The biggest issue, without a doubt. This is a chance to
help that issue. Thank you.
Kristin Haseley, 54410 29th Street, South Bend, IN, stated, I was raised by an amazing family in
central Indianapolis and after high school, I received a full-ride scholarship to play division one
(1) soccer at IUPUI. I closed my career as one (1) of the all-time leaders in matches played, save
percentage and goals against. That was about fifty (50) pounds ago, but anyway, I was named
IUPUI's Academic Advisor's list every single semester and was selected to the Summit League
Commissioner's List for Academic Excellence on three (3) different occasions. I was selected by
our Journalism professors to carry our banner at commencement where I graduated cum laude. My
senior year, I was even published in USA Today. For years, I worked for the Youth Soccer
Association here in our State and I actually coach two (2) of the current players down the street at
Notre Dame. I'm also a recovering alcoholic. We all like to think that addiction could never happen
to us or our families. For some of us, we are lucky it hasn't yet. My family, we were some of the
lucky ones who are able to turn a blind eye to this problem until we couldn't any more. I was the
first (1St) person in my family to be arrested. I was the first (1St) person in my family that ever
needed to raise a hand and say I need help. For two (2) years,my family and I tried to find a place
like this out-patient building we are trying to open here in South Bend. I needed a place I could
live sober and clean and learn how to live a new lifestyle. Unfortunately, these places don't exist
in our communities right now. I jumped from seven (7) day detox to seven (7) day detox. From
there to jail until I finally ended up in an in-patient treatment center for an extended period of time.
Recovery is a life-long choice that requires dedication every single day. You heard some of the
statistics from some of the other people, so, I won't repeat them,but the patients we are looking to
come into this facility are the ones that have already proven to us that they are dedicated. I've been
working in the addiction recovery field for almost a year now, and as a case manager at Choices,
I speak with the families of these patients every single day. They are dying for places like this. We
would be cutting off a lifeline for someone who could go on to recover and end up helping any
one (1) of our loved ones. I appreciate your consideration.
Council President Tim Scott announced to the audience, For those who are here for the RSVP Bill,
this is going to be a long time. If you would like to say whether you are in favor or against, there
will be sheets to sign outside these chambers. You can put your name, address and number and
whether you are in favor or against the bill. (That list of names is available in the City Clerk's
Office).
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Clara Ross, 726 Cushing Street, South Bend, IN, stated, Thank you for five (5) minutes. Thank
you for giving me a chance to speak. Thank you for giving others the possibility to live, even if
it's only for five(5)minutes. A choice can be made. Right now,we have a choice we are willingly
making on our own—to live. And, giving others the possibility to live. That is what sobriety really
is. It is a chance. It is a chance. All we want is, as a family member people who are addicted to
cocaine and alcohol,I ask you for a chance. And a place.And hope.And a dream.And a possibility
to live one (1) more day. To express, one (1) more day. To give my family one (1)more day. To
give me hope and a hand out, one (1) more day. So, what does this five (5) minutes mean?
Everything. What does sobriety mean? Everything. What does housing mean? Everything. If only,
for five(5)minutes. Thank you.
Jerry Vanest, 1309 East Mishawaka Avenue, Mishawaka, IN, stated, I have worked for Choices
since we've opened. I am now lead case manager for the last four(4) years. I can tell you, as lead
case manager, we do everything from not only setting them up after care but also help them with
any legal issues that some of them may have when they come to our facility. Every chance, as case
managers,that we have to help our patients,who we also consider family,to live and be successful,
we can do that. I'm also going to tell you today, a lot of people don't know, but I am a person of
long-term recovery. I have not had a drink since 1999. I am proud to say that. That is because of
PTSD from multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as Somalia. The VA would not help
me. They wanted to give me pills which I had two (2) of my fellow comrades kill themselves. One
(1) overdosed and the other took a shotgun and killed himself. I don't want that option, so I got
help and counseling. That is another thing we do well in our program. We have some of the best
minds in the country when it comes to counseling. We have one (1) of the best clinical directors
you could ever imagine who does amazing things with what we are given as options. I am proud
to be a part of this program and I am proud to be part of the Choices family. I have worked in
several places since my mandatory retirement from the military, from being wounded, and I will
tell you, I don't want to go anywhere else. Till they have to carry me out of there, I will continue
to fight,every day,to help these patients be successful. That means sometimes we have to be there.
We have to listen when no matter what is going on, we are that ear. Sometimes we're the ear for
the family. When we make these weekly calls to these family members, they cry. They scream.
They are frustrated and angry because they don't know what to do. We have to be that ear and we
keep carrying on. We keep pushing forward. One(1)thing I want to end with is, always remember,
and as a Lutheran I have always been taught to understand the great knowledge from Martin
Luther,who asked ourselves,what kind of person are we?When we leave this world,are we going
to be someone that just got by with whatever came and let others fall? Or do we stand up and help
those that can't help themselves and we carry them? That is what kind of person I want to be. I
want to help those people help themselves. Thank you for this opportunity. I appreciate it. I am
very much in support, again, for this program. Thank you.
Eric Forri, 631 North Lafayette Boulevard, South Bend, IN, stated, I work for outreach services
for Oxford House. We offer transitional living for those who are in long-term recovery and I
support this. Working with a similar population, many times people come out of treatment and
they have to go back home to where it was comfortable and back to families that are using or even
back to streets where they don't have the sustainability to change their lives. So, I support this.
Every person that had the disease of addiction has to take a different path through it. Sometimes,
people need more structure. Other people get it right after treatment. I completely support this
because there are people who, in Choices, will be able to have that accountability and care over
them so that way,when they leave,they will be more sustainable and become productive members
of society. I,myself, am in long-term recovery. I have not had a drink since 8/14/17 and with that,
I struggled with the disease of addiction for five (5) years. It was because I would come out of
treatment and when I would come home, I did not have that safe environment to go to. So now, I
advocate for those who are damaged by this stigma. I'm a normal person. I have two (2) kids. I
had a full music scholarship to school. I was a missionary in Honduras and in my active addiction,
I was looked at as trash. Because of a place like choices that gave me a second (2nd) chance with
no judgement,having a new social network that believed in me and helped push me, I am where I
am at today where I can help change the lives of others. Thank you.
Shea McClellan, 2734 Sampson Street, South Bend, IN, stated, I work at Choices Recovery. I am
a behavior interventionist as Brandon touched on before. There are a couple of things I want to
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touch on. Number one (1), I do deal with the behavior of clients and there is very little. Everyone
there wants to be there and there is very rarely a problem to the point where I have to intervene.
They are there because they want to be, and we don't have violence in our facility ever. We have
very little issues. I'm personally in recovery. My family is, too. The more resources, the better,
you know? We are all trying to help, and everyone here wants to help. So, I am very much in
support.
Christopher Santiago, 3008 Trenton Court, Mishawaka, IN, stated, I am in support of this. I didn't
come from a bad home. I didn't come from the streets. I was middle-upper class. I had a job in
aviation and I had an injury. I became addicted to prescription pain killers and then ended up losing
my career, my home and most of my family to this disease. It was because I didn't have a place
like this. I went to a treatment center and they sent me back home. I didn't know what to do. I
wanted to live life a certain way and everything was new to me. I didn't have someone to help me.
I didn't have someone to guide me in a good direction until I found Choices. I,myself', now work
at Choices as well trying to help people from making the same mistakes that I did. Thank you.
Michael Wells, 19532 Sunset Lane, South Bend, IN, stated, I am also the Community Transition
Program Case Manager for St. Joseph County Community Corrections. In my experience, what I
have seen as a whole, is individuals, whether they are coming out of DOC of Impactive Addiction
and active treatment, is you need someplace safe to go. If you don't have a place, you are going to
fail. This sober living facility is very important to those in addiction. Thank you.
Matthew Landry, 54410 29th Street, South Bend, IN, stated, I'm here to support Choices Recovery
and the opening of this building for them. I want to share with you what they've done for me. I've
been struggling with addiction for eight(8) years now as a resident of South Bend. I would like to
express my gratitude I have for this place and everything they've done for me. They've helped me
through, starting with where I was at in my life before I got here. I had just been through serious
trauma. I lost all hope. My baby was taken into custody of the State of Indiana DCS. I have a one
(1)year old baby boy. My heart was broken. I struggled to manage a job. My relationship with my
son's mother was falling apart. I was distant from all of my family. I lost my home and was in
trouble with the law. I heard about Choices Recovery and I called them. They were very fast to
pick me up. When I got there, I was treated with respect and love. I knew everyone there really
cared. I learned how to heal all the brokenness inside of me through the courses that I took there.
I learned how to form healthy and new relationships and how to handle situations that used to
baffle me. Through certain classes I attended, I learned to identify what behaviors I had to change
and how to do that in order to prevent relapse. I learned how to connect with people and
communicate what I needed to stay clean and sober. Today, because of the changes I've made in
my life,with the help of everybody at Choices,all of my legal issues have been handled and cleared
up. I see my son every week and will have him back in my custody in a couple more months. I live
in a sober environment, able to pay my rent and manage a full-time job in recovery. Me and my
son's mother are in counseling and repairing our relationship and my family is very supportive of
my recovery. I can say that it is because of everything I learned at Choices and all the great people
that have come into my life from Choices that I am at this point in my life. I couldn't have done it
without them.
Sandra Gill, 7651 W. 1400N, DeMotte, IN, stated, Even though I don't live or reside in South
Bend, I am a nurse here at Choices Recovery and have been for the past year. I am a wife,mother,
sister, daughter and a nurse. I have worked at Choices for a year and prior to that, I was a nurse at
the Indiana State Prison maximum security. I used to think the criminals, when they would state
they were there because the system did them wrong and say when they committed their crimes
they were under the influence or on a bender,that it was all just a cop out.The truth is,the addiction
is truly the monster. Sadly, addiction can take them there. This our chance and our opportunity as
a whole community to give families back their moms, dads, sons and daughters. No one grows up
wanting to be an addict. My patients carry the guilt and shame of being an addict all on their own
without us placing that on them. People have the need and want to be accepted. With everyone in
the community knowing this is sober living,my patients are already being judged. So, for them to
make this commitment, willingly, this is a very brave step for them. They deserve to be built up
and supported by each and every one of us. I want to leave you with one (1) thought. We are all
just one(1)bad day away from being an addict ourselves.
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Brad Black, 54410 29th Street, South Bend, IN, stated, I owe my life to Choices,honestly. I would
not be here right now if it was not for Choices. I've been struggling since I was a teenager with
opiates. I've been through this enough to know that if we do not give recovering addicts the help
they need and a place to go, if they are not ready to go home, they need help. I've been through it.
I didn't get the help I needed when I completed a program and it led me here. I'm grateful to be
here today. Sober living houses are more than just giving a place to live. It helps them and teaches
them lessons. It reintegrates them into society. That is crucial for people like me because I didn't
have that, and I thank God every day for being where I am because now I get the chance to help
other people. With that, if I can help people with this sober living house, it is worth it at the end of
the day. Thank you.
Sheila Cegielski, 52022 Woodsedge Drive, Granger, IN, stated, Thank you for your time and
consideration on the matter before you. I'm a real estate agent representing the buyer. I know you
may be thinking of course she wants to talk because she has a vested interest in the sale of this
property. I assure you, that is not the case. I really dislike speaking in public. I am here to tell you
two (2) short stories that will explain why I believe this change deserves to be made. Sixty (60)
plus years ago, I was born the last child of ten (10) siblings. With a family that big, the odds of
them having an addiction problem were against us. Two (2) of my brothers were the unlucky
winners. One(1)was fortunate enough to love his job so much that he chose it over the addiction.
The other, at the end of last month, celebrated his first (1St) year clean after fighting addiction for
fifty (50) years, due to the help of a wonderful addiction center in Florida that is very similar to
Choices Recovery. Both were professionals in their field. We had the same parents but different
results. My one (1) brother has a great retirement. Two (2)homes, two (2) Harleys and he gets to
be retired and happy. He needed to find his own way out of addiction and he actually married an
addiction counselor. The other one (1) lives in an apartment on social security only. He is near
death and we've almost lost him three (3) times that we know of. Life is all about choices, but we
still love them both. The next story is about someone I've known since the day she was born. She
works in a very busy emergency room in a big city. One (1) evening, the ER was at full capacity,
and one (1) of the regulars, as she referred to him, came in off the streets smelling of alcohol. She
told him she would put him in a room and was going to let him warm up and sleep it off while she
attended to patients who had more serious conditions. One(1) of her attending nurses took it upon
herself to get the bloodwork ordered for this man, simply, because it was protocol for someone to
come in with the type of pain he was having. When the results came back, she came to the doctor
and read them to her since she was busy with another patient. Her words,to me,were said between
tears. Sheila, if it wasn't for my nurse that night, that man might have died under my watch. She
felt so awful because she had judged him on the basis of his appearance and smell. He could have
died but, instead,he had open heart surgery. She is a very hardworking, compassionate and caring
person who was having a difficult night, but she learned a lesson that evening that would last her
a lifetime. Don't judge people by their looks. This man was someone's son and probably
someone's dad. Just because he made a poor choice at some time in his life doesn't mean he is
worth less than you or me. Why would you not want to help people who seek help to make their
lives better? I don't understand that. They could be your child or husband, or father or mother,
your aunt, uncle, sister or your brother. Tonight, you hold in your hands the vote to make many
people's lives better instead of bitter. The choice is yours. It is possible to hate addiction without
hating people.
Betty Keranen, 431 West Lawrence, Mishawaka, IN, stated, I'm here in favor of this sober living
house. I personally didn't wake up, fifteen (15) years ago, and say, I want to destroy my life. I
joined the United States Marine Corps and I was in a very severe and traumatic ATV accident. I
shattered my entire face, broke my back and was in a coma. I suffered a severe brain injury. It
ended up being a blessing. It intensified my alcoholism and made it very incredibly dangerous for
me to drink. When I came home after being relieved of my duty in the military, I was surrounded
by,thankfully,an incredibly supportive family.Not everyone has that option. So,my family helped
get me into recovery shortly after I came home. Not everybody has that option. In the over six (6)
years I've been in recovery in this area, I've seen multiple go back out because they needed a local
in-patient facility to be at and it was not here for them. So, as a member of the veteran community,
I see at the VA facility, nine (9) times out of ten (10), they have a drinking or a drug addiction
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issue. I don't have statistics in front of me but, from my personal experience in the VA community,
this is a very needed facility in the area. Thank you.
Pat McGann, 2313 East Edison Road, South Bend, IN, stated, I did not come here to speak on or
against this action tonight. I came for a totally different reason,but I've been listening to everything
people have said. When I was fifteen (15) years old, my brothers and I started an ambulance
service. I worked all through high school up until the age of about thirty-one (31). I was among
some of the first(1st)licensed paramedics in the State of Indiana. Our license number was one(1).
In all of that time, after we became paramedics and could dispense drugs, I never once, never,
dispensed Narcan. That was an anti-narcotic drug we carried on the ambulance. I'm also, now, in
the funeral business. I own and operate four(4) funeral homes within the City of South Bend. We
have the oldest funeral home in the State of Indiana and the oldest business, of any kind, in the
South Bend area. Last year, we probably had six (6) opioid deaths. I remember a situation where
a man and woman,boyfriend and girlfriend,lived in a high-rise apartment in Chicago overlooking
Lake Shore Drive and Lake Michigan. This fella was a rising star in his family's business in
Elkhart. It was a large manufacturing business. He was the heir apparent to take over the company.
Very wealthy family. They came home after work on a Friday, were not seen again until Monday.
Both of their companies went to check on them and they both still had the needles in their arms of
a fentanyl and heroin overdose.Another situation we had was a young woman in her twenties(20s)
or thirties (30s) was living with her dad. She had this problem. She was living with her dad and
her young child and her young child came into the room and found her mom with the needle still
in her arm. The child was like an eight (8) year old girl. Then, most recently, we had a man who
was brought home on Christmas by his mother. He had been down in Florida for rehab for two (2)
years. He had been in and out of it and was in it and doing very well. He came home and arrived
on Christmas Eve, his mother found him dead in her bedroom Christmas morning. So, that's all I
wanted to say.
Donald Weiss, 532 %2 Kosciuszko Street, South Bend, IN,stated, I am also a veteran. I served three
(3) years in the US Army as a Military Policeman. Due to a financially difficult situation, I became
homeless at the Miller Vet Center back in 2010. Recently, for the last six (6) years, I've been
residing in my house on Kosciuszko Street. I'm currently, also, in the Miller Vets Color Guard
Unit. We go around and do ceremonies for veterans. In our color guard unit, we had two (2)
veterans that had major alcohol and opiate problems. They went to the Life Treatment Center and
they did not get any assistance. I tried to take them in there to get rehab and detoxed and they
turned around and walked out. They refuse the treatment. They chose to be on the streets and
homeless. In other words, they did not want any assistance. So, I finally persuaded them to come
to my home. I was going to give them a safe haven to stay off of drugs and alcohol because I did
not tolerate it in my home. I attempted to try and help them be sober, keep them active in our
community and color guard unit, and they refused to get my assistance. They refused to cooperate
with me. It's an ongoing battle situation. When people make a choice in their life that they don't
want any assistance, there is nothing you can do about it. There are a lot of homeless people out
here on the streets in the City of South Bend that need assistance. They either have a drug or
alcohol problem or whatever. I'm for Choices. That sounds like a very good program to get them
back on their feet again to have some sort of a structured lifestyle. I'm for it one hundred percent
(100%). Recently, that one (1) veteran I tried to assist, he died of alcohol poisoning at the former
hotel called the Wooden Indian. He was found dead of alcohol poisoning, because he couldn't get
his hands on liquor,he drank mouth wash to get drunk. It is devastating to witness this, especially
when you feel there was something else you could have done or said. It hurts when a fellow
comrade leaves us because he is so sick. Choices Recovery is the best thing this community needs
right now and I'm for it one hundred percent (100%). Thank you.
Kelly Williams, 3008 Trenton Court, Mishawaka, IN, stated, My story, as a recovering addict, I
am from California and I graduated a five (5) year apprenticeship where I got my Bachelor's in
Science and Mechanical Engineering. The whole time I was going through school, I was an addict.
I was in my addiction. I had been through treatment several times and returned home to the same
environment and kept relapsing. I didn't understand it, so, I attempted to take my own life twice.
This last time through treatment, I didn't end up going home. I stayed here and now work at
Choices Recovery and that is why I am alive today. They helped me see that going home was not
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the best option for mc. So, this sober living is what needs to happen for people like me to stay
sober. Thank you.
Beth Szweda, 71701 Spruce Road, Walkerton, IN, stated, Twelve (12) years ago, my husband
became addicted to opioids due to a back surgery. He worked for FedEx. We were a stable,happy
home with two (2) children. Over the course of ten (10) years,his addiction grew. One (1) by one
(1), he lost everything that he loved the most. At the height of his addiction, in 2017, he was not
only addicted but he was also committing crimes in our community. He was stealing from
businesses. He was taking scrap metal just to feed his addiction. He became so focused on
committing crimes and stealing because he couldn't get and hold a job. He ended up committing
a crime with my son in the car. My point is, we need this in our community. If we don't have
something like this, it will result in more crime, not less. The people who may be afraid of these
people in the neighborhood committing crimes, that is completely false, in my opinion. My
husband went from a fine upstanding father to a common criminal on the street. Thank you.
Bob Edmonson, 317 South 26th Street, South Bend, IN, stated, I would really be foolish to stand
up here and try to tell you, after all of these speeches, that I am in opposition to Choices. I am in
opposition to the location. I would fully support a different spot. I live within a half block of this
proposed location and I live in a community that is seventy-seven(77) years old and that is a fifty-
five (55) plus community with over two hundred and forty (240) units. The location where this
proposed facility is, if you just spread out a little bit, there are hundreds of apartment units just to
the west. There is another large apartment complex just across the street that houses hundreds of
children. We have school buses that stop directly in front of and across the street from where this
facility is located. I would fully support the operation in a different location. I am most concerned
about the safety in our neighborhood. I have serious reservations about certain things the presenters
said tonight. I attended two public meetings, most recently last Thursday. To be honest with you,
several things that were said here tonight were different then what they said in the public meeting
I went to on Thursday. I question the safety at their 3606 East Jefferson location. I understand that
Sheriff Redman said they have a nice camera and all of that, and I believe they do. But, since this
has become an issue, I personally, along with my wife, drove into that facility on two (2) different
occasions and parked. One(1)time it was for ten(10)minutes and another time it was for an extra
fifteen (15) and was never, ever, ever, ever, approached. I saw patients coming and going outside
of the gated area. Maybe that's perfectly acceptable, I don't know. But I heard them say tonight
that the gate was more for preventing people from going in, I'm telling you right now, I sat there
on two (2) different occasions, in excess of ten (10) minutes, both times, and was never ever
approached. I was never asked why I was there. I fully believe we need this type of thing in our
community. I've lived here for almost sixty-five(65)years in South Bend and Mishawaka and we
have a real need. I understand that. But, this is not the right location. Therefore, I ask the Council
to vote in opposition to this.
Lorraine Celis, 133 North Esther Street, South Bend, IN, stated, Good evening, members of the
Common Council. Thank you for your time. I am the dentist next door and the owner of the
property immediately adjacent to 2610 East Jefferson Boulevard. I am in strong opposition to the
proposed zoning change for the following reasons. This zoning change and special exception will
negatively affect the use and value of my property. I have my dental practice that I have established
since 2002. Per the petition's requirements, a special exception cannot adversely affect the use of
the adjacent areas or the property value. Reason two (2) is that this request in zoning change is not
consistent with the character of the district. Number three (3), it will create a challenge for me in
recruiting future dentists and staff members. My employees do feel concerned about having a
recovering addict home next door. The Office Buffer Zone was intentional. Changing it to MF-
One(1),a residential zone, so that a foreign for-profit entity from Michigan can operate a business,
seems contradictory to me. Jefferson Boulevard has a lot of visibility and easy access. It is also
next to the St.Joseph Valley MetroNet Fiber Line. This should be saved for future business. Please
do not sacrifice this space and grant the rezoning that could negatively affect the area for years to
come. Lastly, I would just like to urge the Common Council to look into who TIA Corporation is.
We are inviting them to set roots in South Bend. They are from Battle Creek, Michigan. What kind
of track record do they have there in that community? Thank you for your time.
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Margaret Hicks, 2626 Birch Way, South Bend, IN, stated, My house is located three sixteenths
(3/16) of a mile away from 2610 East Jefferson. As President of Walnut Grove Mutual Housing
Association, I would like to share with you who we are. We are a non-profit housing association
for individuals aged fifty-five (55) and up. Individuals purchased the right to occupy their units.
We are not a rental property, nor do we receive any federally subsidized funds. Our Board of
Directors represents our members, and they have voted to oppose this zoning and special
exemption request. We are concerned about the devaluation of our properties. We are also
concerned for the safety of our residents,many of whom are in their seventies (70s), eighties (80s)
and are very frail. We are concerned for the safety of our neighbors, many of whom are children.
Plus, the safety of our employees. I would hope you reconsider and vote no to this. Yes, this is
needed in South Bend but not at that corner with all the children. Thank you.
Mont Annis, 133 North Esther Street, South Bend, IN, stated, Good evening, members of the
Common Council. Thank you for your time. I really appreciate it after being here all day. My wife
is the dentist and the owner of the property immediately adjacent to 2610 East Jefferson Boulevard.
She purchased the property in 2002 and has operated her dental practice for seventeen (17) years
there. She's invested money, time and she's paid employees. In 2013, she expanded her practice,
enabling her to hire more dental professionals and serve our community better. She currently has
eight (8) employees, including myself. I'm the bureaucrat there. I am here in strong opposition to
this proposed zoning change for the following reasons. Let me stop right there. This is about a
zoning change, nothing else. Then, they are also asking for a special exemption. I am in strong
opposition for the following reasons. One(1),the Area Plan Commission of St. Joseph County has
given this petition an unfavorable recommendation. I was there. It was eight(8)to two(2). Second
(2nd), allowing a for-profit foreign entity to rezone a commercially taxed property, to MF-One(1)
residential to operate their for-profit enterprise is inconsistent with the future land-use plan for this
area. The future land use plan for this area is commercial. I got that tidbit from the staff report.
Three (3), at the Area Plan Commission's public hearing, the petitioners stated that they plan on
housing twenty (20) to thirty (30) recovery addicts at the location. We all stressed safety and
everything. In their rebuttal, they said our concerns about safety are non-existent. The next day, I
found out there were four(4)registered sex offenders at the address.The same website is operated
by Sheriff Redman. The next day, when we had some community outreach,they denied they were
ever there. We reminded them that Sheriff Redman's website had them on there. They did not
know where they went. This zoning change and special exemption will damage the use and value
of the adjacent Office Buffer zoned properties, including the mutual housing authority across the
street. Per code, a special exemption cannot adversely affect the use in adjacent areas or property
value. It will create future challenges including the recruitment of dentists and other dental
professionals. Dentists are retiring in South Bend. You commemorated one (1) last month. That
office sits empty right now. No one (1) is coming. I'm having trouble finding people to come to
South Bend. They are choosing other communities. This will definitely be an inconvenience to us,
trying to get dental professionals to come. Recently,a spouse of an opioid addict killed a physician
in 2017. My fears are real. It happens. It could happen, it may not. These people have been down
the street from our office and a mile from my home. So, when people say this is NIMBY, not in
my back yard, it's not NIMBY, not in my back yard, it's not in my back yard, again. How many
is enough. There are two (2) within a mile of my house. Well, this will actually make two (2)
within a mile of my house. This request in zoning change is not consistent with the character of
the district. Office Buffer zone is an intentional and integral part of the Jefferson Boulevard
corridor. Carving out an MF-One (1) zone in between two (2) Office Buffer properties is
destroying the district. It is no longer an Office Buffer district. It's a checkmark of MF-One (1)
and Office Buffer. With that, I thank the Council for your time. I appreciate everything you do. I
wouldn't want to do it. It's amazing what you people do. Thank you very much for your time.
Charlotte Sobel, 2601 Cypress Way, South Bend, IN, stated, I live one fourth(1/4)of a mile away
from this property due north. I am in total opposition to this request for rezoning and special
exception. I spoke at the Area Plan Commission. I believe when Mont and I both spoke, it opened
some eyes. Things that were said at that meeting and things that were said at the meeting held last
week at Walnut Grove with Brandon and Patrick are in direct opposition to things that were said
to you and promised here tonight. I am saying that you need to understand who these people are.
I am not meaning Choices Recovery. I am talking about TIA Corporation who put in the petition.
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They are a sole proprietor for-profit business with headquarters in Battle Creek, Michigan. Unlike
a non-profit, there is no governing Board representing the community. Any assurances made by
them in support of this bill today and in past hearings of meetings regarding how the program will
operate, the safety features built in to protect both the clients/residents and neighborhood could be
nullified immediately and without notice or consent of the neighborhood or the City. This is a
private, for-profit corporation. In addition, it has been stated by the presenters that when clients'
private insurance or personal funds run out, they are removed from the program and relocated
elsewhere. While that may be in the best interest of the business,it is a turning of people for profit.
I was grateful to hear that during the time of turning people for profit, some people truly get help.
The addition of this property will just allow them to turn more people for profit. We have been
told, unlike what has been told tonight that only people at Choices down the street will be lucky
enough to move here. Now,they are saying they may come from elsewhere.All of this is for profit
at the expense of our neighborhood to a corporation based in Battle Creek and I urge you to do
your research on that. They also stated to us that no client is allowed to leave the program, even
though it's voluntary, without a place to go or a follow-up care program. As Mont mentioned,
when questioned about the four(4) registered sex offenders who lived there in 2018, the response
was, and I wrote this down from a gentleman who is not in this room but who does represent them,
We don't know, and we don't care. Well, if they can be so cavalier toward that, I don't know what
they are to other people. Obviously, their concerns do not extend whole-heartedly and full-
heartedly. When those people's funds ran out, they were out of the program. In opposition to what
Brandon said earlier to you about fencing this property, it was also stated to us that only if they
had the money would they fence it. They will not be owning the property to the left that faces
Jefferson and 26th Street. Their parking lot is to the rear of the building. That parking lot is owned
by the apartment complex across the street where mothers with their children park twenty-four
seven (24/7). Fathers, sons and daughters, etcetera. So, it's something that changes the more that
we hear. I urge you to do more research. We were told, and Bob mentioned, the fences were there
to keep those of us who live on the outside, out. I,too, spent time in Choice's parking lot for a total
of thirty (30) minutes. We were also told at our public hearing by Patrick, who is no longer here
tonight, that they couldn't build an addition on their property because insurance regulations
wouldn't allow it. They have a huge parking lot,half of which never had a vehicle on it. I want all
of this clarified. The other thing is, if their average client is a married man who is twenty-seven
(27) years old, why are they saying this will be only for females? Probably because of most of us
at Walnut Grove, they think it's going to be easier for us to accept. I want you to do research. I
hope you support the Area Plan's recommendation to deny this special exception and rezoning and
retain the strength of our neighborhood. Thank you, very much.
Judy Shills,2612 Birch Way, South Bend, IN, stated, Good evening and thank you for listening to
all of us that are here. I'm here with concerns on the rezoning to MF-One (1) of property 2610
East Jefferson,requested by Choices Recovery, located at 3606 East Jefferson, to turn this facility
into a sober living facility for residents associated with this company. My concerns are real and
not hearsay. I have personally witnessed how Choices has run this current facility, in part, for the
last four(4)years. My daughter's home is on 35th Street along with two(2)other residents adjacent
to this facility, with sizeable backyards and all amenities including a pool used for family
gatherings for the past thirty(30)plus years. The last four(4) years, all of this has been hampered
by vulgarity, concert-volume music, no curfew with zero (0) regard for neighbors and businesses
including River Bend Cancer facility that invested dearly to outside property for clients to have a
peaceful atmosphere. It is very rarely used for that purpose. Choices has been contacted because
of the problems, personally, with complaints of the noise, behavior and lack of security. It has
gone to no avail. So, contact has turned to law enforcement. I can not speak for the winter months,
this is spring, summer and fall. Police would come, and it would get quiet for about fifteen (15)
minutes. Then, in fifteen (15) minutes, the noise goes back up and goes even louder than it was
before. Another thing I want to bring up about the facilities, as far as the security, it was brought
up earlier by one (1) of the constituents of Choices that it was brought to their attention at one (1)
of the meetings that several times, it wasn't one(1) time, but these kids jump over the fence quite
often. It is different kinds of volleyballs and whatever. He also brought up that it was one(1)family
picnic. Well, this has been going on for the last four (4) years. With that being said, if they are
granted this rezoning, how are we guaranteed the promise of a secured facility at 2610 East
Jefferson?Does it have any merit at all,considering what doesn't take place,security-wise, at their
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current facility? One (1) more though, and it has also been mentioned tonight. Their so-called
locked security gate is either wide open or not working and people are able to just go in and do
whatever they want to. This has been seen many,many times. It makes me wonder. Do they really
care about the clients? Or, are they just there to make money? I, myself, and I think we have all
been touched by addictions. I think I can speak for everyone, it's not the facilities we don't want.
It is the location. Choices is located next to a liquor store and now this one (1) is in a residential
area. These facilities should be located, I believe, in a quiet, less-populated area to get the proper
care they are in such need of I thank you for your time and I do hope that you will turn down this
proposal.
Barbara Steele, 2630 Aspen Way, South Bend, IN, stated, I am the closest neighbor they are going
to find. I do support their corporation. I do support their purpose. I am an ex-addict. I know what
the hell it was like. I do know what they have to go through. That part, I support. This is in the
middle of so many regular citizens.One(1)block away is a school.Across the street are apartments
with one hundred and eighty (180) members. We are an organization of two hundred and fifty
(250) members. Then, to the other side of us is another corporation that has apartments. All
together it comes to right about 2,150 residents who are being submitted to this being that close. I
do support the group. I do. I have even volunteered in a similar group. That's how much I think it
is that important. I also know it's that important that it be relocated in a more commercial situation
where the ladies can come in, get a loaf of bread, and go out and they don't have to worry about
something happening. Thank you.
Kathleen Petitjean, 119 South 26th Street, South Bend, IN, stated, I live in the Walnut Grove
community. Anyone with eyes to see can see that we need healing spaces like that which is being
proposed tonight. I don't think I need to remind any of you good people on this Council that this
is not about whether or not our community needs a healing space for people. This is about the
rezoning issue. I would like to speak about that. For those of you who received my email and read
it, you know that the City Administration's interface with Walnut Grove has been less than stellar.
Has anyone talked about what the traffic conditions will be like and how that traffic will be
impacting our community of Walnut Grove? Let me just tell you, Walnut Grove is a multi-family,
high-density community. It is zoned MF-Two (2). Our curving streets, unprotected sidewalks and
the proximity of our tiny homes to those streets put pedestrians, citizens and property at risk. For
that reason, our community was zoned MF-Two (2) and we have a twenty (20) mile per hour
posted speed limit. I'm here to tell you today that the only people who obey the speed limit are
Walnut Grove members, two (2) of the TRANSPO Bus drivers and our mailman. Every other car
that speeds through Walnut Grove does so because they are using our neighborhood as a high-
speed bypass. We, in Walnut Grove, begged the people on the 13th and 14th floor of the City's
Administration to address our concerns in Walnut Grove about the traffic there. In 2014, Pete's
Engineering Department came out and acknowledged the fact that we do have a problem with cut-
through traffic and also acknowledged that almost all the traffic far exceeds the twenty (20) mile
per hour speed limit. That was 2014. Five(5) years later and four(4) significant accidents in front
of our unit, alone, we have yet to see any improvement to our situation. Walnut Grove consists
primarily of elderly women and retirees. We have already seen the lack of respect for the zoning
regulations in our community with respect to speeding. What kind of impact is a facility like this,
where there will now be transport vans and who knows how many employees will be in the
corporation, and they are also going to be speeding through Walnut Grove. I'm asking you to
remember, please, that this is a zoning issue. We need to look at how the rest of the community is
going to be impacted, both traffic-wise, tax-wise, and this nebulous solution of a fence on the
corner, I just wonder about aesthetics. I just ask you to be our representatives of our community,
do the right thing and follow through with the Area Plan Commission's recommendation to decline
this rezoning.
Tamara Mason,420 South 35th Street, South Bend, IN, stated, I've lived behind Choices for thirty-
five(35) years. Thank goodness I have a thirty-three(33) year old son that is now out of the house
and that he was not young when this establishment was located there. I have witnessed profanity.
The same things you've heard,jumping of the fences,loud noises,no curfew at 11:00 p.m.,believe
me. I've been out in my backyard and I hear it go on and on and people wonder what's going on
over there. I have a sister who is a recovering drug addict. I understand there need to be places and
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areas for help. I do not think it should be in a residential area because of families and what might
happen. I just oppose it. That's all I have to say.
Brenda Raplogo, 2614 Cypress Way, South Bend, IN, stated, I live in Walnut Grove. I oppose the
rezoning. I have my granddaughter,my daughter,my great-grandson that lives in those apartments
right across. My granddaughter is special needs and she doesn't need to be surrounded with guys
looking at her and trying to pick her up, or, you know. My grandkids don't need to be around it. It
is a respectful area. I feel safe walking to their apartment. I don't know if I would feel safe in that
area anymore if this comes to the area. I was hit and run on 26th Street because somebody sped
past me at fifty(50)miles per hour. I had to pay for my car to get fixed. I just don't feel safe if that
was there. I would just be worried about my grandkids, and my granddaughter and my great-
grandson. I would hope you say no to the rezoning.
The petitioners were then given five(5)minutes for rebuttal.
Ms. Brown stated, Ladies and gentlemen,thank you so much. Patrick Gerrard is in attendance this
evening,he will be doing the rebuttal.
Patrick Gerrard, 121 Capital Avenue NE, Battle Creek, MI, stated, Good evening, Council and the
City of South Bend. Thanks for having us. Yes, I've been here all evening. We've heard a lot of
for and a lot of against here tonight. I, personally, understand the sensitive nature of what we are
talking about. I know the Council does. I know these fine people from Walnut Grove Home
Association understand our plight and what we are after, too. What we have to do, though, is find
a way to meet in the middle, ok? I believe it can be accomplished. I believe under proper control,
security and knowing what we know how to do, we know how to do it. With that, I was at their
meeting last Thursday and I want to bring up some point here from various members of that
association. A broken gate. That gate was broken. I told them last week when we were there, I put
a lot of money into that gate. Brand new motors,mechanisms, sensors and everything. The gate is
not broken. I can take anything you throw at me, but I need the facts. You've got to give me the
fact. Some of the things we heard here were stretching the truth. The TIA Corporation. Yes, it is a
for-profit corporation. Yes, it is in Battle Creek, Michigan. A foreign business? We're not from
Mexico. We're not from Canada. Ok? A foreign business that is coming into this community that
has been here for four(4) and a half years that wants to pump more dollars into here, it's not that
I take offense being called a foreign business,but I think it's an incorrect term. Sex offenders.That
came up, ok? They told us last week there were four(4) sex offenders in our program. I told them
that was incorrect information. They asked me if that means the St. Joseph County Police website
is lying and I said no, it is just incorrect data. And, I also know where they went. I was in the
process of getting them off there. If you look at the website, none of them are on there. I did know
where they went,ok?But they were not in our facility when we met with these folks last Thursday.
I heard some other things. I'll build the fence if we have the money. I have no idea where that
came from. I asked these people who came up and talked about noise. I asked them if they
contacted the facility. Have you written a letter? Have you come over to knock on the door? They
said no, so they called the police. We are there. We want to be community neighbors, folks. But,
we need the information if we're not doing something correct in the neighborhood. I can't correct
if I don't know what that is. We do know what it is, now. We are working on it. You will find it
in your packet. As soon as the weather breaks, I want to build a privacy wall. We need to send our
community outreach people deeper into this area where we are at and start asking what we can do
better. There is nothing wrong with that. We are human. If there is something we are doing wrong
that we can do better to become better community neighbors, in this area, we can do it. Speeding
vans through Walnut Grove. I don't know what any of our people would be doing over in the
Walnut Grove Neighborhood Association. Our business is on the entirely different side of the road.
The clients that are going to be there are not going to have cars. The two(2)or three(3) staff there,
yes, they will have their cars in the parking lot. Once again, I was thinking about a privacy fence
both ways, especially for the dentist next door. With that, I want to thank the Council and the City,
again, for your time. I know it is a sensitive subject, ok? We know we can do this. I would really
like to request the approval from the City Council on this fight. Thank you.
Councilmember Tim Scott made a motion to continue Bill No. 69-18 to the Council Portion only
in the March 11th, 2019 meeting of the South Bend Common Council. Councilmember Gavin
Ferlic seconded this motion which carried by a voice vote of nine (9) ayes.
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At 9:23 p.m., Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to recess. Councilmember Jo M.
Broden seconded this motion which carried by a voice vote of nine (9) ayes.
Be it remembered that the Common Council of the City of South Bend reconvened in the Council
Chambers on the fourth floor of the County-City building at 9:35 p.m. Councilmember John
Voorde presided with nine(9)members present.
02-19 PUBLIC HEARING ON AN ORDNANCE
AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2307 EDISON
ROAD, COUNCILMANIC DISTRICT NO. 4 IN
THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA
Councilmember Oliver Davis, chair of the Zoning and Annexation Committee, reported that they
met this afternoon and send this bill forward with a favorable recommendation.
Councilmember Tim Scott made a motion to accept the Substitute version of Bill No. 02-19.
Councilmember Jake Teshka seconded this motion which carried by a voice vote of nine(9) ayes.
Jordan Wyatt, Planner for the Area Plan Commission with offices located on the 11th floor of the
County-City Building, South Bend, IN, served as the presenter for this bill. Mr. Wyatt stated, The
petitioner is requesting a zone change from CB, Community Business District to MU, Mixed-Use
District in the area outlined in red(referencing a presentation which is available in the City Clerk's
Office) on your screen. To the north are businesses zoned CB, Community Business District. To
the east is a funeral home zoned CB, Community Business District. To the south, across Edison
Road,is a CVS Pharmacy zoned LB, Local Business District.And,to the west,is a business zoned
CB, Community Business District. On site,currently,is a vacant business and parking lot. The site
plan shows the development of a new three (3) story building with retail, office and residential
space. Off-street parking will be provided. The development will need to meet the development
standards of the MU, Mixed-Use District. The Department of Community Investment offers a
favorable recommendation saying the area would be appropriate for an urban neighborhood center.
They recommend the planning of future vehicular connections for access to adjoining lots on the
north end of the site to help reduce the need for curb cuts, allowing for street frontages to be fully
developed and more walkable.This comes to you with a favorable recommendation from the Area
Plan Commission. I would be happy to answer any questions.
Councilmember Oliver Davis stated, Like I said with our position that was shared, can you just
talk about how they mitigated that situation?
Mr. Wyatt replied,Yeah, sorry. So,the property owner directly to the east of the funeral home was
concerned about users of this site parking on his property. That was mitigated by the fact that a
fence was going to be installed completely around the site. That divides the parking lot up. Right
now, it's currently just paved.
Councilmember Oliver Davis asked, So, that fence will help separate it?
Mr. Wyatt replied, Yeah, and I'm sure the petitioner can speak more to that.
Councilmember Oliver Davis stated, I appreciate that.
Leonard Connaughton, 18512 Summer Wind Lane, South Bend, IN, stated, I'm the Vice President
of Beach House LLC. We purchased the property in November. The existing building is one (1)
story and it was currently used as a honey-baked ham shop when we purchased it. We would like
to demolish that building and build a new 10,000 square foot building with 3,500 square feet of
retail space on the first(1St) floor, 3,500 square feet of office on the second (2nd) floor and one(1)
residential apartment. We think it's an improvement and a benefit to the area. Hopefully, we get
your approval.
Councilmember Tim Scott asked, Do you have any businesses for the office or for the retail space
below?
Mr. Connaughton replied, No, we didn't talk about any of the leasing until we went through this
procedure.
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Councilmember Oliver Davis asked,With the sixteen(16)parking spaces,do you think that would
help clear up everything else,too? In terms of what will be enough when you consider the business,
the person living there and those kinds of things? Will the sixteen (16) parking spaces be enough
for everything?
Mr. Connaughton replied, The leasing area for both the office and retail areas are about 3,000
square feet each. The current parking regulation is two (2)per 1,000 square feet of retail and three
(3)per 1,000 square feet of office. The residential only required one(1)parking spot. So, we have
sixteen (16) when, really, we only need fifteen (15). We have a dumpster enclosure which we are
not required to have but it makes the building more attractive.
This being the time heretofore set for the Public Hearing on the above bill, proponents and
opponents were given an opportunity to be heard.
Pat McGann, 2313 East Edison Road, South Bend, IN, stated, I am immediately to the east of the
proposed rezone. The current property they are going to tear down is one third(1/3)the size of the
building they are going to build, and it has twenty(20)parking spaces. It is no where near enough
parking. So, I don't know. I don't write the zoning laws and I'm sure the people that do know a
lot more than I do. But, it has definitely always been a problem with that small lot. It was a Pizza
Hut prior to the honey baked ham company. It's never stood vacant very long. It just became
vacant this year I think or the latter part of last year when the honey baked ham company moved
up to Tuscanna Park in Granger and north Mishawaka. So, this is an improvement in the
neighborhood. There is no question about that. This is going to be a much nicer building than what
Pizza Hut had. So, I'm not speaking against this zoning at all, but I was hoping we might be able
to come to some sort of compromise, seeing that I am experienced in the neighborhood having
been there since 1984. I also own the property to the north of that. The Area Plan Commission had
put in their plan to put in some kind of ingress-egress up there and that is not part of Mr.
Connaughton's plan, as I understand it. That would have to go over my property anyway. The
fence is a great idea, although, I don't think he can build the fence all the way to the street. It
wouldn't be safe. So, may I approach this map up here? (referencing a slide in the presentation)
Council President Tim Scott confirmed, Yes.
Mr. McGann then informally addressed the layout of his property,relative to Mr. Connaughton's,
and shared a few traffic, seasonal, parking and safety anecdotes. He then stated, My proposal is,
and it is something I hope Mr. Connaughton and his associates agree with, to place the building
all the way back as far as possible on the property. That would allow all the parking to be up front
near the door for easy access and handicap accessibility. Plus, their vegetation is growing. So, I
hope is passes. It's a good use of the property,but I would just like to see the building move back.
The petitioner was then given five(5) minutes for rebuttal.
Mr. Connaughton stated, The parking on the site plan is done by a civil engineer. That is the
amount of parking we have. With regard to the entrance of the retail space, there is an entrance at
the front of the building for pedestrian traffic and an entrance at the rear of the building. We could
have pushed the building back. I would require a variance. In Mixed-Use Zoning,the building has
to be on the lot line or twelve (12) feet back, either/or. We are willing to work with Mr. McGann
to find some resolution. We still plan to have the fence and we are eliminating that current egress
that exists on Mr. McGann's property. That will be closed off.
Councilmember John Voorde asked, How far toward the street can the fence be?
Mr.Wyatt replied,You can build a fence all the way up to the property line. In this case,it wouldn't
work out, though, because of the clear site requirement. So, the closest a fence could be in this
situation is ten (10) feet to the southern property line.
Councilmember Oliver Davis asked, In terms of the parking right in front, could that be designated
for handicap? Then the rest in the back part?
Mr. Connaughton replied, The handicap spots are right there in that L shaped side of the building.
Councilmember Oliver Davis clarified, Up front. Wait, are they all in the back? Isn't that correct?
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Mr. Connaughton replied, There is no parking up front. Is that your question? I'm sorry.
Councilmember Oliver Davis stated, There is no handicap parking up front.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden stated, Just for clarification, there is access to the retail area off of
those handicap spots in the back. Correct?
Mr. Connaughton confirmed, Yes.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden followed up, Ok. Just speaking from the District, there is an entire
length of Ironwood north that has been developed with parking from building to street and there
are not even walkways the entire length of Ironwood on the east side. So, while we think moving
a building, while it would be a burden on you the petitioner to have to seek a variance, I think it
would also be a burden on the neighborhood to not allow a facility sidewalk access and walkability.
Frankly, I think that is a huge issue from a development and vitality standpoint. So, I think the
burden would be on you to change your petition and I just don't think it would meet good planning
standards.And not just planning standards,but the test of the neighborhood where,again,you have
parking from every one (1) of those other businesses. Up until a year ago, you couldn't walk on
the thoroughfare safely. Thankfully, on the other side of the street, we've been able to construct a
sidewalk. As the representative of the district, that was a priority that was indicated to me. Yeah,
people would like to have sidewalks on both sides. I think it would be a great business decision,
but we can't force that now. I'm just speaking from what I've heard, overall,the connection to the
neighborhood and, frankly, what allows businesses to thrive over time. So, yeah. I'm not into
moving buildings.
Councilmember Oliver Davis interrupted, To add to that, Mr. McGann, you shared in our Area
Plan meeting about during the holiday season. I'm over there a lot and it creates a mess.
Councilmember Oliver Davis requested Mr. McGann to share what he shared at the Area Plan
meeting.
Mr. McGann stated, The Post Office a few years ago were considering a move to the old Target
building out on Hickory Drive. That is what the local Post Master wanted to do but he got chopped
down by the Regional Director or Washington D.C. or something because it wasn't in the middle
of his postal zone. So, they know it's a problem, everyone in the neighborhood knows it's a
problem and the late Ann Puzzello helped me many years in a row because the Post Office would
park two (2) police cars out in front. They would take up a whole lane and there would only be
one (1) lane coming west because they took it up. So, I got them to get rid of that and now they
actually put those police cars on the sidewalk and parkway.
Councilmember Oliver Davis interrupted, And the new development on Ironwood did not help
address that?
Mr. McGann replied, Oh no, they cut right through.
Councilmember Oliver Davis reiterated, They cut right through. So that situation, that is the issue
we are dealing with here.
Mr. McGann then informally addressed the Council with a few more anecdotes regarding traffic
relative to his nearby property.
Councilmember Oliver Davis stated,Thank you,we're good. That's the reason, I mean, in light of
what he's saying, I would like to make a recommendation that, and we just heard this petition at
Area Plan last week. We have some time on this and they worked out some things earlier. I wish
that we can come back to address some of the issues Councilmember Broden has said and work
out some things over the next thirty (30) days and work back on things. I'm just hoping that we
can because there are a lot of things there that I thought were good points raised by Mr. McGann.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden stated, I didn't have any issues.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden made a motion to send Bill No. 02-19 to the full Council with a
favorable recommendation. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic seconded this motion which carried by
a voice vote of eight (8) ayes and one (1) nay(Councilmember Oliver Davis).
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Councilmember Oliver Davis interjected, It's not ready yet, though. It's still messing up his
property. Yes, it is.
Councilmember John Voorde stated, They'll have a beer and work it.
Councilmember Oliver Davis stated, It should have been worked out before it got up here tonight.
05-19 PUBLIC HEARING ON AN ORDINANCE TO
VACATE THE FOLLOWING DESCRIBED
PROPERTY: THE EAST/WEST PORTION OF
DUBAIL ST. 29.8' IN WIDTH RUNNING WEST
APPROX. 303' FROM RIGHT-OF-WAY OF S.
OLIVE ST TO PARCEL 018-8102-3875
Councilmember John Voorde, chair of the Public Works and Property Vacation Committee,
reported that they met this afternoon and send this bill forward with a favorable recommendation.
Lori Gesto, 1705 South Olive Street, South Bend, IN, served as the petitioner for this bill. Ms.
Gesto stated, It is my request to vacate this portion of Dubail. We have, for several years now,
used it as our north driveway. There it is (referencing a picture displayed which is available in the
City Clerk's Office). We would like to continue doing that. We have actually been asked by the
City to vacate this property because of the 2020 plan for Olive Street beautification. So,that is my
request today to be able to do that.
This being the time heretofore set for the Public Hearing on the above bill, proponents and
opponents were given an opportunity to be heard. There were none.
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to send Bill No. 05-19 to the full Council with a
favorable recommendation. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic seconded this motion which carried by
a voice vote of nine(9) ayes.
Councilmember Oliver Davis interjected, Cool.
03-19 PUBLIC HEARING ON AN ORDINANCE OF
THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
SOUTH BEND, INDIANA, AMENDING
CHAPTER SIX OF THE SOUTH BEND
MUNICIPAL CODE BY ADDING A NEW
ARTICLE 14 TITLED RENTAL SAFETY
VERIFICATION PROGRAM
Councilmember Karen White made a motion to accept the second (2nd) substitute version of Bill
No. 03-19. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic seconded this motion which carried by a voice vote of
nine (9) ayes.
Councilmember Jo M.Broden,chair of the Health and Public Safety Committee,reported that they
met this afternoon and send this bill forward with a favorable recommendation with a number of
amendments (reflected in the second(2nd)substitute version).
Suzanna Fritzberg, Deputy Chief of Staff to the Mayor of the City of South Bend with offices
located on the 14th floor of the County-City Building, South Bend, IN, served as a presenter for
this bill. Ms. Fritzberg stated, I will defer to Council if you would like me to go through each of
the changes of the substitute bill as part of this presentation(which is available in the City Clerk's
office). You don't have to say now, but I will run through just a quick overview.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden interjected, I'm good, I've checked them off per what we've
discussed. I know our attorney has checked them off, so, it is up to you all.
Councilmember John Voorde stated, Unless there is a specific request to do so, from Council,
please proceed with your abbreviated version of the presentation.
Ms. Fritzberg continued, Excellent. I introduced myself and will also introduce other people to
speak as part of this presentation including Jamie Morgan, Project Manager in the Office of the
Mayor and Tracy Skibins,Director of Code Enforcement. In attendance is also the Deputy Director
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of Code Enforcement Marlaina Johns, Chief Inspector Jim Wood, City Attorney Tom Panowicz,
and a number of both inspectors and office staff for the Department of Code Enforcement. As I
shared with you earlier this afternoon,three(3) core points from this presentation serve a reminder
of why we are doing this: A lead poisoning crisis and a desire to inspect for vulnerable residents,
a refresh of our implementation plan and a reminder of the changes we've made now in our second
(2nd) substitute bill. I will not go through those in an itemized fashion but that should have all been
checked in accordance with our current version we have as part of our unity meeting.
Ms. Fritzberg went on, We know rentals are about forty percent(40%)of housing in the City. Our
proposal, here, is to improve the safety of rental housing in South Bend, particularly for families
with children, by verifying compliance with existing safety standards through a proactive
inspection protocol. As a reminder of the housing and health data that underpins a lot of this effort,
there has been a great deal of research, particularly in recent decades, around the links between
housing safety and resident health. We know there are health impacts, not only from things like
lead or mold that we see as drivers of chronic public health problems, but even acute dangers like
fire safety. In South Bend, we know there is particular issues with lead. Eighty-two point-one
percent (82.1%) of all of our housing units are structures built prior to the ban on lead paint in
1978. You can see this heat map (referencing a presentation which is available in the City Clerk's
Office). Particular Census tracts have exhibited very high levels of child lead poisoning. I want to
note the endorsement of this proposal from the Board of Health, the Lead Affinity Group which
includes public health faculty and workers, and the support of the Fire Department. I know you
were able to hear earlier from Heidi Beidinger, Kathy Schuth and, obviously, Chief Cox this
afternoon.
Tracy Skibins, Director of Code Enforcement with offices located on the 13`h floor of the County-
City Building, South Bend, IN, served as a presenter for this bill. Ms. Skibins stated,Very briefly,
I just wanted to highlight a few obvious violations we will be looking for. None of which would
be brought to our attention if a caller did not reach out to us. So, obviously, if an inspector is
passing by a property, they won't know what's going on inside. The first (15`) example is a
collapsed ceiling. That is what the phone call was about and once inspectors go inside,they found
out that the roof was leaking and there was mold growth, pealing paint, etcetera, etcetera. The
second (2nd) example was the original call was for no heat. When the inspector goes inside, they
found out the temperature was at forty-five point-three (45.3) degrees. There was water damage
including falling tiles from the ceiling. We are not focusing on cosmetic violations. We are
focusing on health and safety standards.
Ms. Fritzberg stated, Thank you, Tracy. Again, as a reminder, the proposal we have for you today
is, essentially, a process change. Rental housing inspection is handled either through a complaint-
based process or proactive inspection. Rather than addressing housing safety on a case by case
basis and relying on tenants to report those issues, proactively conducting inspections ensures a
higher degree of compliance with basic safety standards. Again, there are no new standards here.
We are looking at regulations that exist in the law as it stands now. I would also just remind you
that proactive rental safety inspection is a tool utilized in cities across the United States including
West Lafayette and Bloomington, Indiana. The analogy here, again, is restaurant safety
inspections. We don't eat in restaurants that wouldn't have received a health inspection. Certainly,
if there was a proposal to take restaurant safety inspections back from their current proactive
inspection basis to a complaint-based system, I don't think any of us would be eating out as much
in downtown South Bend as we currently do. I'm sure it would be a crime. I'll remind you, again,
of the foundational principles. HUD outlines eight(8)things that are outlined to maintain a healthy
home. Our goal is to ensure that these standards, already required by law, are uniformly followed
and that tenants, across South Bend, can access safe and healthy housing.
Ms. Skibins stated, I would like to highlight what will take place during the rental inspection. The
Code Enforcement Inspector will look at the conditions of the property inside and out. The
occupant and the owner of the property will know, in advance, what it is the inspector is looking
for, so they can make any changes prior to the meeting. Upon successful completion of the
inspection of the rental, a Certificate of Rental Safety would be issue for up to five (5) years. I
would also like to highlight some of the training and background of the inspectors who will be
conducting the inspections. Some examples of training experience include heating,weatherization,
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asbestos testing, OSHA courses, construction, and lead awareness. We've also identified a few
houses in South Bend where the inspectors have gone through, together, to look for these
violations, lead by our Chief Inspector Jim Wood. Jim received his certification through the
International Property Maintenance and Housing Course. All of our inspectors that do the housing
program will also be certified by the end of the year. The inspectors have tenant cultural
competency training. They've met with the Human Rights Commission and they have weekly
meetings where they are often tested by our Chief Inspector to make sure everything they shared
was retained by the inspector. This(referencing a slide in the presentation)includes an example of
some things you will see on the checklist. Hopefully it is twenty (20) minutes in, twenty (20)
minutes out and focus on minimal safety standards which includes fire safety, water, heat, proper
plumbing, mold and mildew, chipping or peeling paint and leaks. Again, we are not focusing on
the cosmetic issues but the health and safety focus. In and out as quickly as possible for inspector
and for the person who is showing us through the property.
Jamie Morgan, Project Manager for the Mayor of the City of South Bend with offices located on
the 14th floor of the County-City Building, South Bend, IN, served as a presenter for this bill. Ms.
Morgan stated, I am going to share a little bit about our program implementation and kind of take
you through the math.We have about 16,000 rental units in the City of South Bend.That represents
that forty percent (40%). Of those, we are expected to inspect 7,500 of them. That is because for
multi-unit complexes, we will be doing a random sampling of the units so that we won't be in
every single one(1)but get a good idea by going into two(2)or three(3)of them.We are reducing
that for the number of exclusions. So, not every property will be eligible for this. We wouldn't be
looking at short-term rentals, government inspected housing, units constructed in the last ten (10)
years or units that have received a satisfactory inspection through another source. Whether that be
through a private inspection or through a real estate transaction inspection. Those would meet the
same requirements as this would.
Ms. Morgan continued, Throughout this program, we've done a lot of community engagement to
get feedback from people who are within the industry, who live in rental housing and who work
with renters. One (1) of the main changes from the previous meeting was to our implementation
process. Our first (Pt) year will focus on active and open Code cases and referrals from the St.
Joseph County Health Department. Then,we will continue accommodating landlord requests. We
are looking at ways to incentivize landlords contacting us and being proactive about this. We will
also, in year two (2), start the geographic phase-in, focusing on Census tracts that have a high
proportion of children that have tested high for lead levels. That will start us in Census Tracts Six
(6),Nineteen(19), Twenty-One(21), Thirty(30), Four(4) and Five (5). We expect to get through
the City at a rate of fifteen percent (15%) per year, ending at about 2025.
Ms. Morgan went on, So, to look at the feedback and changes we were able to incorporate, since
the Committee meeting, we've done a lot to simplify the language of the bill so that it is clear and
can be understood. We also made changes so that we are able to reduce fees that might not be
necessary and waiver some eligibilities for inspections. Also, we looked at moving down the
number of units a property has to have in order to get a multi-unit random inspection.Then,looking
at how we continue to monitor this bill and making sure we are putting in steps for self-certification
in addition to making sure rental standards are set throughout this and that they are very easily
understood so that people have the opportunity to succeed within this bill.
Ms. Fritzberg stated, I will also highlight two (2) additional parts of feedback that resulted from
this most recent Committee meeting. As Council has seen, we have filed as an addendum to the
ordinance, a specific list of criteria in response to a request from the South Bend Mishawaka Area
Organization of Realtors. We've also clarified a five (5) year certificate. A landlord doesn't have
to hop on the first(1St)year.They can wait for the geographic expansion of the program and remain
eligible for that. We clarified some language relating to the group homes as well as a variety of
other issues that Councilmember Broden outlined. We've heard from a number of experts on this
issue including Judy Fox and the Notre Dame Law Clinic and Heidi Beidinger with the Board of
Health. I want to close our presentation with a few words from Ruth Ann Norton who is the
President and CEO of the Green and Healthy Homers Initiative. That is a nationwide network
founded in Baltimore that works with communities on strategies that promote health housing. We
were lucky to receive a grant from the State of Indiana to become a GHHI Compact City. That is
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what we are working toward and we have been in close communication with her staff as we've
formed our City's lead strategy. She also has a great deal of experience working with programs of
this nature and we think she can offer some constructive comments.
Ruth Ann Norton, President and CEO of The Green and Healthy Homes Initiative with offices
located at 2714 Hudson Street,Baltimore,MD,served as a presenter of this bill.Ms.Norton stated,
We were founded in 1986. My parents and other property owners came together to combat the
issue of childhood lead poisoning in the City of Baltimore, Maryland, where we were named the
number one (1) city in the world for the concentration of lead poisoned children at the time. As I
stand here today, we have reduced lead poisoning by ninety-nine percent (99%). We've worked
with over sixty(60) cities in forty-eight (48) states to advance policies and practices that take into
account the role of the property owner, homeowner and resident as we work to improve the
outcomes for children in this country and to address the toxic legacy of lead. We want to turn
around what we face in having to deal with essential maintenance practices in aging housing stock.
We want to turn that into an opportunity for kids to get to the classroom healthy and ready to learn.
I've taken a long time to look at the proposal here which I think is really fair and thought out well
in having to address these issues. Let me tell you a couple of quick things I think are critically
important. In city after city, county after county, where we have helped implement or have
supported pro-rental inspections of this kind,it's not only that kids are healthier. Families are more
stable. We see a high return on investment to the community because every dollar we invest in
lead poisoning in this country, we get up to two hundred and twenty-one dollars ($221) in return
to communities. What we have also seen is that owners are better. The properties for owners are
better. The investment being made in the rental property becomes a healthier market. That has
been especially true in small to midsized cities as well as larger cities throughout the country. So,
I think this is a critically important thing to point out. The data, across the board, shows we had
higher investment, higher compliance and better outcomes for kids. It helps create a standardized
marketplace, and a standardized way of delivering safe and healthy housing. It is critically
important. This really gets to a better and a more equitable treatment of tenants. It takes away
things like evictions because of complaints or fear to report. Instead, it gets us to a healthier
business relationship. So, I think you are also giving better power of taking care of the problems
in the community by being able to address this by the priority of problems. Then, you phase in
geographically. I really want to applaud this community. I said to the Council President, I travel
all over the country and the civic engagement on this is really something to take great pride in. I
think it's very important to acknowledge the responsible property owners who are supporting this
and helping to inform. But I think, in the end, no matter where we are and in what community, we
have a moral obligation around housing conditions to ensure that children have a safe,healthy and
stable environment in which to lay their heads down at night,breathe because the house is healthy
and to be able to think and excel in the classroom. I don't want to spend much more time because
I think you are going to hear from a lot of people on this, but I think this has been extremely well
thought out about the ability to empower what needs to happen to those properties that have been
causing problems. This lifts up the entire community and thinks in a forward way about the
children and families in South Bend. I appreciate you allowing me to be a part of the process and
observe this and I am available to answer questions if need be. Thank you.
Councilmember Oliver Davis stated,Thank you. I like what you're doing.The question I have has
been asked of me. Since we are, in a sense, eliminating the HUD houses and everything that is
through the housing authority out of this kind of a bill, for people who live in situations that are in
those types of settings, since they are still in the City of South Bend,we all in our community have
heard of different issues that have been going on with our local housing authority, how do we
address that? What are we going to do? As we were looking at it today and the conversation of the
group homes and that concept, including this process, it made me think about that from that
standpoint. So, what do we do when we have families living in that? And just to call the housing
authority board and they say they'll look into it, again, a lot of people have issues with how that's
been dealt with and solved. Even the Mayor made comments about that not long ago. So, what are
your thoughts?
Ms. Fritzberg replied,Two(2)points. First(Pt),this ordinance,even though it does create a waiver
exemption for those properties that receive an external inspection, does not take us away from the
complaint-based process. So, Code can still take a complaint from a tenant of any property in the
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City, regardless of whether or not that property is receiving a different private inspection or
different government inspection. They have grounds to follow up on that complaint and enforce
compliance. The other thing I would say is we've worked closely with the Housing Authority as
we were putting this program together and the terms we've decided upon, the waiver properties,
is that at the City's request, we can get a copy of any inspection report for a particular unit if it is
necessary. So,we are not precluded from using the complaint-based process to go into any unit we
receive a concern about. If we have particular concerns, independent of a tenant complaint, we
have the authority to review the external inspection reports they have.
Councilmember Oliver Davis interrupted, So,basically, the rationale, the best way to explain why
the HUD programs were excluded, is what?
Ms. Fritzberg replied, Because they receive private inspections.
Councilmember Oliver Davis followed up, And so,because of the private inspections,that will be
the ones and so, we will have that, we will have access to that if necessary?
Ms. Fritzberg replied, Exactly.
Councilmember Oliver Davis continued, And so, that way, we don't necessarily have to put that
high priority. If they are still dealing with those kinds of matters, and they have not gotten them
addressed,then we follow our complaints and we proceed with that kind of a situation. Is that what
you're sharing from that standpoint?
Ms. Fritzberg replied, Yes, it is.
Councilmember Oliver Davis stated, Ok. And then the last thing about the fees.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston interrupted, Before you move off of that, I would like
to clarify one(1) more really important point about that.
Councilmember Oliver Davis stated, Ok, go ahead. I'm at peace. Go ahead.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston stated, The other thing that was really important there
with the housing complexes is, what this ordinance does is if there is one (1) complaint, previous
to this ordinance, we only had the ability to go into that one (1) place. They couldn't go into
anywhere else. But with this ordinance, now, if it's a big housing complex, if we get one (1)
complaint and we see problems, we now have the authority to look at other places. Am I correct?
So, this starts to get at some of those issues
Councilmember Oliver Davis interjected,Ok, I'm glad I paused.There you go.This is what people
have said. When we say we are excluding them, it gives the appearance, if we are not careful,that
we are just letting them go. I know we are not,but I just wanted you to share this. So,on the record,
and for people watching through Facebook or whatever, they can hear you say that those
organizations of housing are not off the hook because of this.
Ms. Fritzberg replied, Right, certainly not. And, I appreciate you giving me the chance to clarify
that.
Councilmember Oliver Davis interjected, Right, and so, the last part of it, with the fees, in terms
of them getting fined, there is the argument that these kinds of fees are just another way of taxing
people and that kind of thing. That argument about that. Could you just talk about how these fees
and fines are needed? Can you justify those kinds of things? Could you clarify that?
Ms. Skibins replied, These will not be assessed until the third (3rd) inspection. So, the first (1St)
two (2) inspections will be at no cost at all to the owner of the property. It is not until after that
where, if there are continued issues, the fees would then be assessed.
Councilmember Oliver Davis followed up, And,talk about how that is different or similar to what
we are doing right now so people can have that clarified.
Ms. Skibins asked for clarification of the question.
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Councilmember Oliver Davis asked, When you go out to a property now, how is that different
from a fee if you find out that they are not following? There are people getting fined right now, do
you see what I'm saying?
Ms. Skibins confirmed, Correct.
Councilmember Oliver Davis asked, So, what?
Ms. Skibins replied, There are other enforcement tools built into the RSVP such as an inspection
warrant. So, right now, our hands are kind of tied with what we have available to us but with the
RSVP, things could escalate all the way to an inspection warrant where we can get a warrant to
actually go into the property and inspect if we need to. We don't have that right now.
Councilmember Oliver Davis stated, That is what I wanted you to share. Thank you for the
clarification. Thank you. I'm at peace.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston asked, We've talked a lot about safe and healthy, safe
and healthy. One (1) of the big things we are struggling with here is also affordability. Can you
speak to what you've seen around the country in terms of how we can have all of that — safe,
healthy and affordable.
Ms. Norton replied, I can tell you that the data shows there is not a spike in rent increases. It does,
over time, lower the maintenance cost for owners. Housing is more stabilized, and,in fact, we did
a deep dive in my own city to see if there was any trend in vacancy. There was some concern from
owners that they would abandon properties and leave because of the cost. That virtually didn't
happen. We've replicated that in a number of cities. The net effect is, truly, the rates of lead
poisoning go down, the rates of emergency department and hospital visits for asthma go down,the
rates for injury issues also go down. The data shows that, and I would be happy to share that at
some point in time with the community and Council.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston interjected, I understand the healthy stuff, I just want to
look at the affordability. So, what I'm hearing you say is that, in your experience, all over the
country, when cities have implemented programs like this, you have not seen an increase in rental
cost?
Ms. Norton replied, Absolutely. There's been nothing that has caused a blip. Not only have we
looked at that, but the US Department of Housing and Urban Development's Office or Lead
Hazard Control and Healthy Housing has looked at this issue. Over the course of about twenty-
five (25) years, the data is pretty steady.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden stated,I have a couple of follow-ups. So,one(1)of the components
in the last section of this is monitoring the progress of the program. I think we spoke earlier about,
and I don't know if you were at the Committee meeting, but, interest in making sure we capture
metrics, right? You've been in this field for twenty-five (25) years, at minimum, and I guess I
would like to know,perhaps,what type of metrics we can capture,as a community,before we even
go to the first (1st) door? I'm thinking of being very intentional and very smart about that, right?
Because, we want to know our hoped-for outcomes and if we are going to get those. Or, are we
going to miss the mark? I'm interested because this is widespread through the State and the
country. I think there are a lot of communities, but I'm interested in the ability to replicate and
duplicate, right? So, what can other cities learn from us, what can we learn from other cities? I
mean,it helps everybody,right? And then my last piece is just what metrics could lend themselves
to advancing research or grant writing? Or, funding sources? I mean, I know those are loaded but
that is something I would like. We are very responsible about what we choose to monitor and not
monitor, and the data we keep or don't keep,but I do want to make sure we are aligning with some
of these other long-standing programs that have been in place. So, I don't know if you could
address that in a general way. I guess, are there model metrics?
Ms.Norton replied, So,I'll start by saying the City of South Bend is starting an onboarding process
to become a Green and Healthy Homes Initiative City. That standard and metric of becoming a
Green and Healthy Homes Initiative City is a metric that was actually devised not just by our
organization but the US Department of Housing and Urban Development as well as eleven (11)
federal agencies between 2009 and today. That also includes the US Conference of Mayor's
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National League of Cities Council Foundation. So,I say that because it gets to exactly the questions
you have. The process of that will start to address some of the questions you asked,which includes
this legislation I encourage you to adopt because we think it is good for every City who has done
it. But, some of the metrics you can look at are the average cost of the intervention to bring it up
to Code once they complete inspection. We track that, and it will allow you to, basically on an
asset and gap analysis, to know where you might need further support that either national
philanthropies or other investors offer to help support home owners and rental properties. So, that
is one (1) thing. Metrics to look at include housing stability. You will obviously be able to run
metrics on the number of Code calls to see if they decrease over time because you have done this.
So, that is cost savings and efficiency for government. You'll be able to look at hospital data and
data for your Medicaid managed care that will likely, if like other cities, will prove that you are
actually creating hard cash savings for the managed care system and State Medicaid system,which
puts you in place to actually have your hospital systems and managed care systems become
investors in the housing stock. We had a meeting about that today and they started to launch a
grant that a number of groups here in South Bend have received where we are providing technical
assistance to build that investment of health care. So, that is part of what you can look at and see
in this and the types of measurements,I think,open you up for a lot of opportunities for investment.
The other thing it will do is allow you to better align your housing resources you have, over time,
to better re-manage and repurpose those resources to spend them more effectively. It all starts with
what you are doing here. In every instance and in every case.Also,by being in the GHHI Network,
there is an automatic peer exchange with other cities working on similar issues,and those that have
been through this years ago. So, you have a lot of tiers to do that.
This being the time heretofore set for the Public Hearing on the above bill, proponents and
opponents were given an opportunity to be heard.
Andre Stoner, 628 Cushing Street, South Bend, IN, stated, I am a neighborhood networker for the
Near Northwest Neighborhood and also a part-time organizer for Faith in St. Joseph County.
Thank you to all those who worked so diligently on this and thanks to all those who had the stamina
to stay and show support. I know we had about thirty(30)people who had to leave but they signed
the sheet for support. Thank you for staying here more than three(3)and a half hours to show your
support. We have folks here from the Near Northwest Neighborhood, from La Casa de Amistad,
SOAR, the Lead Affinity Group, Faith in St. Joseph County and other community groups. This
legislation, I just want to briefly express a few points of reason for support. This will significantly
impact and improve the health and safety conditions for family members and neighbors who are
renters. We had one (1) individual here this evening who had to leave but he lives a stone throw
from our office. Friday, he showed me his home where he has no heat and no water. He has been
in conversation with Code. They've written reports,but this legislation will give Code the tools to
work on that situation. We have others who are here and are from our neighborhood, landlords,
who support this legislation because it will support them as they are trying to provide quality
housing for tenants. One (1) landlord wrote, and he owns several houses in our neighborhood,
markets,including real estate markets, function best when there are proper rules in place and there
is enforcement of those rules. This ordinance has been a long time coming. We've tried working
without a law of this kind. It is time for a different approach. Then, of course, there are many of
us in this room who have worked really diligently on issues of lead poisoning ever since we learned
that Census Tract Six (6), as well as other Census tracts, have unacceptable levels of childhood
lead poisoning. As a matter of fact, there have been about thirty(30) articles and eight (8)opinion
pieces over the last twenty-two (22) months reflecting some of the really hard work that many of
us had been doing on lead. Education, advocacy,increasing testing,research,working for changes
at the Health Department, grants that have been funded, all of that is really significant work that
has been done. In my opinion, this piece of legislation that you are considering now is probably
the most important thing that we have done to date on addressing issues of lead poisoning. We
know, for example, in the City of Rochester, which adopted a similar piece of legislation, over a
four (4) year period, levels of lead poisoning went down by fifty percent (50%). We heard the
words of Ruth Ann Norton who has experience and perspective, nationally. So, from the
perspective of tenants, landlords and children who are dealing with lead poisoning, we want to
express our strong support for this legislation, I believe this piece of legislation is one (1) piece,
only one (1), but important, piece in the puzzle for healthy, save and affordable housing. Other
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pieces are also needed. This is one(1)very important piece,but it's only one(1)piece, as we work
toward safe and affordable housing. I think we are going to need to continue to work with
partnerships between neighborhood groups, renters, landlords, the City, and non-profits to keep
working together to provide safe and affordable housing. I think the collaboration,consolation,the
adjustments that have been made by the City staff and others in this process reflect that kind of
collaboration and consultation. I anticipate and hope that we can continue that as we implement
this and work at other ways of providing safe and affordable housing for all our neighbors. Thank
you.
Amanda Govaert-Konrath, 1015 College Street, South Bend, IN, stated, As a renter, I do see the
value of this ordinance. RSVP is a small step in the right direction. However, it does not go far
enough. This ordinance makes provisions for a review process but nowhere in that process are
tenants included. South Bend is making decisions regarding the treatment of renters without
actually including renters in that conversation. Many people feel talked around. We all know that
renters tend to fear reporting Code violations as they fear retaliation and eviction from landlords
who hold all the power. Renters are not protected from arbitrary evictions. This ordinance does
not protect against that. RSVP does not address the very real issue that tenants face. There is a
provision for short-term assistance should a family be impacted negatively, however, that
assistance is not well-spelled out. How much assistance is going to be available? Will it cover
moving costs? Possible storage fees? The deposit? First (1st) month's rent? As a renter, these are
all things we must consider when we are making a move. Many people who live in this town that
rent live paycheck to paycheck. Without that assistance, they are going to be homeless. While I
support this ordinance, I urge the Council to continue pushing for greater renter protections. I urge
the City to embrace the forty percent (40%) of its residents who do rent and make South Bend a
city that views housing as a human right. Thank you.
Donald Weiss, 532 t/2 Kosciuszko Street, South Bend, IN, stated, She hit it right on the head about
the landlord and tenant problems we have here in St. Joseph County. I moved into my home on
November 1st, 2013, I'm a veteran. Again, I served three (3) years in the US Army. I came from
the Miller Veterans Center here in South Bend. I was homeless at one(1)time. I qualified for what
is called the Section Eight (8) housing which was issued by the South Bend Housing Authority.
My rent was being paid to my landlord because I could not afford to pay my rent. I was financially
indigent. Zero (0) income. I also got assistance to help pay my gas and electric bills because I had
zero (0) income. I built myself up and stuff like that. When I first (1st) moved into my house, I
noticed I had some high utility bills. Cold drafts were coming out of my floors. Cold drafts were
coming through my windows. Pipes froze up in my house through the winter months and I would
wallow two (2) weeks without running water in my house. Mice were crawling everywhere in my
house. Cockroaches, termite damage. I have photos in my possession here with me tonight. I have
a letter here dated on August 25th, 2015. I contacted my landlord to ask if I could get my house
winterized through the Real Services program. It would be no cost to him or me because I was
low-income.They would come out and fix everything.He refused to cooperate.My roof is leaking,
the foundation is crumbling, there is teiinite damage throughout the house and my furnace was
installed improperly in my home. My furnace is in my living room and not in my basement. I have
pictures of this. Again, the lady before me said they were scared to report it to Code Enforcement
in fear of retaliation,to get evicted with no place to go and I had no money to move,no money for
storage, no money for moving expenses, ok? So, I just kept my mouth shut. I had to live that way
because I had no other recourse. That is not fair for veterans. That is not fair for St.Joseph County.
Because, landlords need to be held accountable to fix and repair these units to make them safe for
everyone. My repairs have still not been done as of today. I received an eviction notice this
morning from small claims court. I have to be out in eleven (11) days. I have no place to go and
I'm a veteran. And people say we appreciate you for what you do. God forbid, I'm losing my home
and I don't have a place to go. I have letters from Real Services,they postponed the insulation job.
I have a letter from the South Bend Housing Authority,my vouchers stopped last August. My rent
stopped going to my landlord and he did not do the repairs. That is not my fault but I'm getting
evicted. He'd got sued $2,700 in damages. Well, my house is full damages already. No one (1)
should have to live like this. The other thing is I had a Code Enforcement officer come out and
inspect my home today to see my furnace and take pictures of my mice feces. I don't know what
I'm going to do. I believe in God and I'm just leaving everything in God's hands right now. I called
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and talked to the Code Enforcement Inspector and he said, Mr. Weiss, you're going to be out of
there before March 11th when we come back to reinspect, your landlord won't let us back in. This
has to stop. These landlords are taking rent money and not taking care of the property efficiently.
Thank you very much for your time.
Emily Dean, 815 Leland Avenue, South Bend, IN, stated, I do community outreach for the Near
Northwest Neighborhood. I am also a member of the St. Joseph County Board of Health. I am a
mother of two(2)young children. So,my interest in this specific policy is multi-faceted. I am here
this evening to state my support for the RSVP and encourage the Council to pass it. Through my
outreach work, I've had the good fortune to build lots of relationships with my neighbors in the
NNN. I get to learn what matters to them. The health and safety of their families is a common
concern and, a lot of times, this revolves around their homes. I have been in situations where I
have knocked on doors and people have immediately looked at me as someone who can help, so,
they invite me in to show me situations that I never dreamed would exist in the neighborhood, or,
anywhere. So, I have really come to see this as the way that renters are treated in this City as the
real issue for me,personally, and also in the work that I do. I have, on the flipside, experienced the
relief that people feel when they find themselves in a safe place. A lot of times, I find that it has
not always been that way. So, I have seen both sides of this. How great it can be to be in a good
situation and how frustrating and worrying it can be to be in a bad situation. So, this RSVP will
create a situation where tenants don't have to wonder or worry if their home is safe. It will also
create a way that landlords can learn and know what a safe and healthy home is and what they
should be providing for their tenants. While there are a lot of benefits to RSVP, I want to highlight
that it is a crucial part to the important work already being done to combat the crisis of childhood
lead poisoning in our City. We know these policies have worked to dramatically reduce lead
exposure in other cities. So, please, let's do it here. RSVP will ensure that our children, my
children, can play, learn and grow in safe places. We know that safe and healthy homes make
people healthier. This law will be transformative for so many. So, please, vote to approve RSVP.
Jeff Nixa, 730 Cottage Grove Avenue, South Bend, IN stated, I thank you for your attention and
endurance tonight. I've been a home owner on Cottage Grove Avenue for twenty (20) years. I
raised my two (2) daughters there with my wife Regina. You know the problems. You've heard
the problems. I'm surrounded by a lot of rentals and some wonderful landlords like John Horton
and his wife that own the Local Cup. When a toilet breaks in one(1) of his homes,he goes over to
fix it.That is real community and real partnership. I've also experienced some real shitty landlords.
What I want to focus on here,in the absence of this wonderful ordinance, and by the way I support
it and I'm thrilled, there is a weakness in the existing laws that many landlords have pointed out
that we already have. I tried many, many times to contact problem landlords and never once got a
call back or a letter back after sending letters to P.O. Boxes and phone calls to unattended
mailboxes. I finally, though, got ahold of the landlord that owned the property right next to my
house. I'm a brand-new landlord now, myself, because I bought the house next door. I couldn't
really afford it and didn't really want to buy it, but it was the only way I could figure out how to
break the cycle of irresponsible property management. The only reason I found that landlord was
because his cousin lived two (2) blocks down the street and knew I was complaining about that
property. I actually got ahold of this fellow. He lived in Illinois and didn't know there were any
troubles despite all the attempts we made to call. I tried to swallow, frankly, my anger and my
twenty (20) years of frustrations with all the other landlords. I invited him over to my home for
coffee and to talk about this purchase I want to make. There was a lot on the line because this was
not a listed property. This was a private sale and he could have walked away at any time, but I
really wanted to stop the craziness next door. I invited him over and started to talk to him about
my vision for this house,you know? I told him I wanted to replace the windows with more energy-
efficient windows, add more insulation, repair the window where all the heat was escaping, and
he stopped me right there. And he looked at me like I was the most naïve tree-hugger in the world
and he said,You need to stop thinking about this as a house, and you need start thinking about this
as an ATM that's going to pay you eight hundred and fifty dollars($850) a month,no matter what,
as long as there is somebody in there and they are paying rent. The conversation kind of went
downhill from there. It was a real heartbreaker but, I kept him in dialogue for about an hour, he
did all the talking,and he laid our spreadsheets in front of me. He really carefully maintained them,
showing line by line how carefully he calculated his income and expenditures. He basically said
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the trick is keeping your repair cost as low as you can. At the end of that meeting he laughed, and
I shook his hand, not knowing what was going to happen. I felt so disheartened because, for the
first (1st) time, I understood why all these properties were staying at this level of disrepair. The
only metaphor I can think of is the way a bad coal company might look at a coal mine or a mountain
full of coal. It is just resources to extract by someone, in this case, that didn't live there. There is
no sense of partnership. You know, there is a medical term for an organism that only withdraws
energy and resources from its host and doesn't return anything back. It's a parasite. In this
particular case,it was that kind of relationship. So, I really think this ordinance will help put some
teeth into the existing laws that I'm glad we do have and are stepping forward on. A final word
about just the spirit of the neighborhood, this is beyond politics and this is not what the laws are
intended to address. These particular landlords,there is no concern for the actual neighbors or even
the condition of the actual properties. I think this ordinance will help with that. We want good
landlords. We want a blend of landlords and home owners and, this ordinance, I believe, will be a
good step in the right direction. I thank you for voting in support of this ordinance.
Linda Wolfson, 809 Park Avenue, South Bend, IN, stated, I'm speaking as a representative of the
Community Forum for Economic Justice. The Community Forum supporting Bill No. 03-19 that
established the Rental Safety Verification Program. The need for safety and affordable housing is
a central concern of our organization. All residents of South Bend, home owners, tenants or
homeless deserve to live in safe and healthy conditions. Rental housing will always be needed for
residents who are not financially able or who do not choose to own a house. One (1) of the
responsibilities of local government is to oversee issues of health and safety. This bill is an attempt
to do so. We support this effort with the expectation that it will be implemented fairly and
monitored consistently to evaluate its success.
Jason Banicki, 3822 Ford Street, South Bend, IN, stated, I'm not going to hammer home a lot of
the points made earlier. I'm apt to say don't let the pursuit of perfection be the enemy of progress.
I think this bill is significant progress to, specifically, addressing some key issues and that is one
(1) of the things I like about it. It is very specific. It is very measurable, and we can see if it is
doing what it is intended to do, or not, rather easily. I know one (1) of the things that we heard in
the Committee today is that this could disincentivize future investment in our neighborhoods. I
would say with a forty percent (40%) rental rate already, and hearing that other cities didn't
experience increased vacancies, it might be a good thing if we disincentivize some rental property
ownership and incentivize affordable home ownership to bring more stability to our
neighborhoods. So, if that is an unintended consequence of this, I think that would be an added
bonus. Thank you.
Angie Kline, 701 West Sample Street, South Bend, IN, stated, I am a Sergeant for the South Bend
Police Department. I want to paint a picture of what is going on in some of these houses. I've been
a police officer for twenty (20) years. I've been in a lot of houses. We've dealt with a lot of
situations and, usually, depending upon what the situation is, we find out whether they rent, or
they own,so,that is how we are in people's houses. I want to paint a picture of some of the common
things that renters are dealing with that their landlords aren't taking care of. Overcrowding of
houses. You'll get a renter and they will rent rooms out to ten (10) other people. I went in a house
one (1) night, there were ten (10) people living in, probably, a nine hundred (900) square foot
house. They rent space. And this was the renter,not the actual owner of the property. He probably
didn't know that was going on. Secondly, this winter has just been brutal. The past couple of
winters have been brutal. What I see a lot of are people with no furnaces or lack of heat because
the appliance is so old. They are opening their ovens to heat their house. You can just feel it is just
cold. There are kids in this house and that is their only means of staying warm is to open that oven.
Also, overloading of circuits for space heaters because there is no furnace. Lack of plumbing. I've
been to several houses where there is no running water. Or, maybe there is running water in the
kitchen but there is none in the bathroom because of lack of attention to that. I've also been in
houses where they are using the bathtub as a toilet and it is overflowing with human excrement.
Boarded up windows. People are living in rental properties with boarded up windows that have
been like that for, obviously, years because the boarding is starting to rot away. There are a lot
renters that have over the limit of pets. We would go into a house for an wanted person, the person
isn't on the lease and you've got ten (10) dogs running around. What happens when they move?
Now, we have ten (10) more homeless pets. Another example of a rental property I went to one
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(1) time, the landlord had cleaned everything out because the tenants before had left a mess. So,
he cleared everything out into the backyard. The kids were actually out playing in the pile of
garbage. They had built a fort, really creative actually, out of a desk and then they stacked on top
of that a TV stand and just garbage everywhere. That is not acceptable. A lot of leaky roofs. The
ceilings are caving in. There is black mold. Property owners rent rooms and it's not zoned for that.
I was recently involved in a house to where the man called himself the Inn Keeper. He had taken
in all these people and he was charging them by the month to rent a room. There were twenty(20)
people in this house and he is using unvented heaters with the blue flame. That is not safe. I have
also been in houses with no walls. The studs are there but there are no walls. The common things
here are the lack of care that some of these landlords aren't addressing. There are a lot of good
landlords and a lot of landlords that maintain their investment in their properties. There is a lot of
renovation going on and I usually work the northwest side of town. So, there are a lot of good
things going on. These landlords that have these properties are making the ones that are investing
in their properties look bad. Thank you.
Christi Louis, 1920 Ridgedale Road, South Bend IN, stated, I apologize, I hope I won't take too
much of the Council's time. I didn't prepare a speech. All I bring here tonight is eleven (11) and a
half years of experience in property management. We've worked over those eleven(11) and a half
years to build a positive reputation in the Michiana area which speaks to all the advertising that
has come from the RSVP. We are in support of this bill because we've worked hard to make sure
our residents are taken care of. We've worked hard with Code to have a positive relationship so
that they know that even if there is an issue, we are going to work quickly to address that issue. I
think it's important for landlords to understand that if you are here and are in opposition of this
bill, it's probably not a bad thing for you. You know, the important thing is that we are going to
have an approval for occupancy.That is only going to help grow our reputation and the opportunity
for good renters inside of our properties. That helps us all win. So, thank you very much.
Jim Mckinnies, 51563 Dade Court, South Bend, IN, stated, I'm the President of the South Bend
Mishawaka Board of Realtors. I think there is a perception that our association is against this
proposal, I just want to stand here today to tell you that is not correct. We share the common goal
of safe and affordable housing for everybody. I will say, first(1St) hand, being part of the process
and working through all the issues, our issues with any of the proposal was we want it to be
effective. We've been working hand in hand and we are just looking forward to working for the
betterment of our community, together, with Code and the RSVP. We are excited about that. I
stand, not opposed, but for the proposal. We look forward to working together as an association
and a community to build safer housing for everybody. Thank you.
Anne Mannix, 724 West Washington, South Bend, IN, stated, I've spent about twenty (20) years
inspecting poor properties. We try to buy them and fix them up in various jobs and I've seen
incredible things like what the policewoman said. The problem is, if people pay rent for these, it
jacks the value of the properties up, so you end up spending a lot of money that is already in a bad
condition. So, I think this ordinance will help take the economic incentive out of being a poor
landlord. People, if they don't get any rent, their property is not worth the money. So, I think the
staff work has been excellent and I just wanted to highlight that aspect of it.
Jurek Schultz, 612 Lindsay Street, South Bend, IN, stated, Part of me can't believe I'm standing
up here right now because I really felt like I really supported this coming in here today and ever
since I heard about this. But, I've heard a lot of people talk. I've had awful landlords, landlords
I've complained to about issues of the home I'm living in and nothing was done. I've had great
landlords that I say something, and it's fixed the next day. It was amazing. But I heard a lot of
people talk and I think long-term, this sounds like there will be more accountability for the
landlords in the area and that will lead to the homes being in better condition. I think, long-term,
South Bend will have much quality of rental properties. But, I heard very little talk about what is
going to happen living in these properties in that transition. I don't think with some of the houses
I've seen, what happens to all of those families in the mean time? Do they go and live in
Mishawaka while South Bend is in this transition? Do they go to Goshen? Walkerton? I mean, I
don't know.There is a large transition where,if landlords don't own up to fixing their homes,what
happens to those families in the meantime? South Bend has several homes that are vacant and
boarded up. I went to Riley High School. I ran cross country and ran past boarded up houses all
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the time. I guess I'm just kind of concerned about those families in the meantime. I heard a lot of
talk about holding landlords accountable, but I don't think I heard anything in the presentation
about helping those families in those transitions when those landlords reach that point of the City
having to do something. So, I guess I'm just concerned about them. But, otherwise, I think this is
a really great thing. I just wanted to say my piece.
The petitioners were then given five(5) minutes for rebuttal.
Ms. Fritzberg stated, The assistance for renters in need came up in the most recent comment and
then in another comment. In this presentation we presented an abbreviated pitch to you that didn't
include all the information about the rental relocation fund that is established as a part of this
ordinance. So, I will take a moment to refresh our conversation on that. That is a flexible fund that
is established in partnership with St. Vincent DePaul. They have the capacity to leverage existing
funding sources. They helped to oversee a number of programs that renters are eligible for and
they can layer City funding as a remedy and part of a funding for families or individuals who find
themselves displaced as a part of this bill. That includes moving expenses as well as additional
costs. I would like to remind Council again that certainly part of the review process will be to
monitor the uptick of that fund and assess, as necessary, to create any different flexibility around
the use of those dollars. In addition to that, we've also created agreements with South Bend
Housing Authority and South Bend Heritage to offer preference to folks who are displaced as a
result of this program. I would say, as well, there are a number of housing improvements that can
be performed while tenants remain in the home. Our anticipation is not that there will be a great
number of displaced individuals as a result of this program.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston stated, I'll try to hit those things and I'm going to take
my time as the District representative for District Two (2) that has the largest number of larger
home complexes. If you've been following this, that has been one (1) of my biggest issues. I hear
and see, because I also live in those neighborhoods, families who are really struggling with this
issue. We've talked about the fear of reporting. It's not just because their landlords may kick them
out. Often times I see many landlords helping them or try to help them, even if they can't pay, but
they have a fear of reporting because DCS may come and take their children. So, there are many
factors that come into this that I think we don't always see when we're sitting up here in the ivory
towers. That is why I'm thankful for those who came and spoke in terms of the tenant experience
because we do have to walk this line with a delicate balance. If we're not careful, we may end up
harming the people that we actually aim to support and help. That is why I'm going to enumerate
some things here.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston continued, As I mentioned, my only one (1) concern
was that the initial approach was going to take too long in my assessment. I wasn't alone in that
thought. That has been addressed. For that, I want to thank you. This is just walking through some
of the issues to have it on record because I think, again, this whole experience has been a great
display of how we can work together, with all stakeholders,to really get at the issue. So,with that,
that has been addressed and we will have a way to address these large housing complexes where
people have actually come in front of the Council already, shown us the pictures and asked for
help. We haven't helped for years. Now, we are finally getting at that and so I'm thankful for this
ordinance.Number two(2),one(1)of my concerns was our capacity to actually address the issues.
We had no metrics, which, was also a concern. Like, how do you not have data in a data-driven
society on how many of these properties we might have to deal with? So, moving forward,
somewhat blindly, but, I had concerns on our administrative capacity to handle what comes
through the door because once we start the billing process, inspections and re-inspections, do we
have the capacity to get that right? Quite frankly, we don't do a great job of handling what we've
got now. So, that has been a very big concern. Also, I wonder about the capacity to remedy the
problems once we find them. Do we have enough contractors in our community? That is a
challenge but also an opportunity. So, this is where I'm calling on other parts of City government
but also people in the community to connect. Let's figure this out in this year that we have, or this
time, whatever, we have to start pooling together the contractors that are going to be working on
this. So, this is the way we can address the issue of minority contracting with the City. I see some
people in the audience here from the Department of Community Investment who are working on
that.
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Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston went on, So, again, another plus in our favor. We took
something that was a problem and,through working together, we have raised our awareness about
the need to address that. That is where that working group is going to be really important. So, I
appreciate, again, for you putting that in. Some thoughts on the working group, we have mostly,
as it's written,folks from the City and things like that,I would like to consider having a community
voice on that working group as well. There has been discussion about organizing a tenant's rights
organization City-wide and maybe have a tenant on there and also maybe having someone
representing landlords in that working group. That monitoring is going to be critically important.
I'll get to metrics in a second. The appeal process was something that was suggested.We are going
to have situations. As much as we train, we are never going to have everything perfect and people
are not going to agree. We are going to have to have some sort of appeal process. The State Law,
as I understand it, is what we are leaning on for that. That is not acceptable. You have ten (10)
days,basically, and you have to file a lawsuit against the City. It's way too cumbersome for things
that can be resolved.Maybe that working group becomes a place where people bring their concerns
and have a quick turnaround appeal process. I don't know. But, I think we need to talk about that.
Our City government needs to address that anyway within the regular Code hearing process. We
have to have a way for people to not agree with the decision made in the hearing and get some sort
of quick look at it to see what we can do to work it out. So,please, think about that.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston continued, With regard to metrics, one (1) of the
concerns was losing good investors. I don't like the language good or bad landlords. It's easy to
say but it, whatever, we'll work on that. I'm concerned about the loss of low-cost rentals.
Somebody, thank you for being brave enough to stand up, after all the wonderful testimony and
talk about that because I think that is the issue you were getting at. What happens? What if there
is a situation and what if it does go up? What if somebody is in a situation and we can't find them
a place, where do they go? I loved what somebody said earlier, they said we have to ask ourselves
what kind of City do we want to be? I think we want to be the type of City that is diverse,inclusive,
we make space and we are intentional about making sure that whatever policies we put in place,
we do not push out the lowest tiers of income and the people that have the least and need the most.
We have to be diligent and that needs to be part of our metrics and capture that somehow. What is
the average rental cost going on? How is that changing over time? So that we don't wait until two
(2) years from now and be like, Bang, where did all the poor people go? You know what I'm
saying? So, we have to watch that over time.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston went on, Also, in terms of metrics, I mentioned earlier,
I would like to see the number of families after three (3) months, six (6) months, a year, recorded
and maybe even somewhere very visible as a celebration on our website. The number of families
that have been moved to safe and affordable housing by relocation or remediation. We need to
celebrate that and let people know this is working. That's how we will be able to really address
these issues. Also, metrics, I mentioned the Racial Wealth Divide Report. There are ten (10)
essential questions in there. We commissioned that report to make clear that we realize there is a
big divide. There is a problem. Housing is one(1) way that people, well, I love what she said. She
said housing is health care. That is beautiful. We have to start thinking about it in that way. There
are a couple questions. They give us ten (10) questions. Two (2) questions, I think, we should
definitely look at is will this policy increase access for people of color and poor people? That goes
back to if we are losing the lowest tiers of folks because they have to move out because they can't
find a space. Also, is this having a positive impact on equity? Same type of thing.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston continued, Finally, with metrics, I mentioned the
working group and bringing the community voice to that, so that's good. Alright, so,one(1)thing,
the reason I take my time with this is because I feel like sometimes we pass legislation to address
a particular really important issue like making sure everybody is in safe and affordable housing.
We feel good about ourselves and go home and pat ourselves on the back, but, I don't know how
many of you have ever been in that situation and there may very well be some here, but, we have
to make sure that somebody asks is this effective? Ok? Because we've tried to get at this issue of
chronic problem properties. We've passed legislation in the past. Chronic nuisance, landlord
registration, now, we are doing RSVP and the truth is, it hasn't worked in the past. I have a lot
more hope for this particular legislation,but the City can only do so much. That is the real truth of
it. Code Enforcement has certain tools,just like the Police. Like, we want to call the Police about
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everything,well, guess what?You call the Police,you might get arrested. You know?Then you're
mad because you called the Police. So, we also have to begin thinking about what we can do as a
community. So, all these hardcore people staying here until 11:30 p.m. listening to me go on and
on about one(1) of the most important issues of my heart, we have to step up as a community and
say, you know what,there is more that we can do. That is how we really solve these problems and
that is how it becomes sustainable. So, the City can do incentives but that is going to be limited
because I don't think we want our tax money necessarily used in that way. But, there are some
things we can do. Somebody in this group, anybody who is interested, please step up and work
with us to create that tenant organization. We need advocacy and we need education because there
are tenants who don't know how to care for their properties.They get in there and they are stuffing
up toilets, breaking stuff and that is a problem, too. So, we need tenant advocacy and tenant
education. We need landlord certification and landlord education. RIA does an excellent job. The
people who are connected to that, I've been to a couple of their meetings and they are always about
improving their craft and working with each other. They even invite tenants to come to their
meeting.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston went on,But this is an important point. I know,it's long,
but hang in there with me. One(1) of the things I've heard through this process, also, if you don't
have the money to fix up the properties then maybe you shouldn't be in the business. Well, let me
tell you the experience of the people in my neighborhood. I know a lot of people who have parents
who pass away, and they inherit this home. The home may already be in bad shape. Maybe not
even livable. But this is still a low-income family that now has a potential asset. They don't have
the money right now to fix that house up but everybody in here knows the importance of home
ownership and helping people leverage themselves out of poverty. When we look at the racial
wealth divide,that is what's happening to African Americans because the current system says, oh,
sorry, you can't fix it up, I'm going to fine you,next thing you know your house is on tax sale and
I'm taking it from you. We have a problem with African Americans, other people of color and
many poor people not being able to pass on generational wealth. So, these are the types of things
we have to ask ourselves when we create policy like this. How does it impact different people?
These broad strokes don't work. People have different circumstances. You have the landlord who
is absentee and just using their house like an ATM. That is problematic but then you also have
other situations. So, we have to be able to address those. That, again, is where that working group
can come in, and maybe also some of this appeal process. I know Code Enforcement has done a
great job, thank you Tracy, in recognizing these issues and other situations. We need to apply that
here as well.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston continued, So, landlord certification and education, if
there is a situation like that,which I have seen quite a bit,how can we plug them into a group like
RIA so they can learn and access the resources the City has available. Now, somebody said it's
time for a different approach. This is it. We create partnerships like we are doing today. Tenants,
landlords,home owners and the City.We get rid of that language of the bad tenant,the good tenant,
the bad landlord, and the good landlord.Truth is,there is bad and good in every group. Let's focus
on, and this is where we need the help from the community. How can we match those tenants with
landlords? That is something the City can't do. We can't sit up here and legislate that. But there is
somebody out here, neighborhood associations, you guys know who the struggling tenants are,
and the landlords who are maintaining their properties well. Let's get that going so we can starve
out those people. Why do they continue getting government dollars? I have a real problem with
that if they're not maintaining their properties, but those people have to have somewhere to go.
That's on us as a community. Again, the issue of contractors. We need to rally those contractors,
help train and license those people to meet these needs. And guess what? I think I hit all of the
things on here. I know you're glad about that but I just want to, again, thank everybody. I don't
want to see you guys disappear. Once we pass this, and I think it will pass, I know I'll be voting
for it, we need this kind of advocacy around all of these different ongoing issues because the City
is going to need help to make sure that this is effective. This is just the groundwork. We need to
make sure it works. Thank you.
Councilmember Sharon L. McBride stated, I just want to say thank you to the Administration for
working with the Council and making sure that we had an opportunity for our input. Also, for
making the changes. One (1) of the things, I think a lot of it has been said, but I just want to say
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thank you for answering a lot of the questions when we talked about the ramifications to landlords.
If I'm not mistaken, there was a proposal to be an eviction defense attorney, so I appreciate that
piece being in there to help protect. So, I hope that the accountability piece can start today. We've
heard some testimony of some issues that I trust Code Enforcement will look at as we move
forward. I will be supporting it as well.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden stated,Thank you. This really does represent a tremendous amount
of work over a tremendously long period of time. I think the process has been good. I think the
collaboration has been outstanding between the industry, feedback from the public, Council
Members, and staff across many different departments. So, thanks for that process. It leads me to
say this is probably the, in my opinion, probably the most comprehensive and well-thought out
piece of legislation. I really do see this as a very, very, very strong piece of legislation. It really
has gotten better by the day thanks to really good input. The two (2)members to my right are dead
on with their comments. So, I'm not going to go that direction. But, I am going to suggest two (2)
minor amendments on page eleven (11) for Council's consideration. This actually captures the
spirit that we have had while working on this and it being so collaborative. This shows the real
importance of public engagement. It has been strong, let's keep it strong and I do appreciate the
working group embedded in this. But, with regard to the members of that group, I would suggest
that Council colleagues consider expanding it to two (2) Council appointees. Specifically, I think
when we operate as a Council most effectively, we have district voices and we have people who
have levels of expertise. Our responsibility is to our districts, but I think we also have to consider
the folks on the far end of the people and the balance that At-Large members bring in terms of the
scope and the benefit of that lens for the entire community. So, I would actually suggest that be
made plural to read two (2) Council Members appointees. I do think it's important to keep that
Council and not have citizen appointees. This is our work and we need to be all in on this in the
next couple years as this rolls out and as we look to make any changes or improvements.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden continued, My other point related to this strong public engagement
that has happened heretofore, well, sorry, let me go on that same sentence. So, two (2) Council
Members appointees, strike the word and, continue with Mayor's Office leadership, strike the
parenthesis, and let's get at a staff representative from the Department of Community Investment.
So,we strike staff members and it reads a staff representative from the Department of Community
Investment. I think what we've done with some of our smart studies and our working with national
partners, it has teed us up and put us in a nice location. I want to make sure we have that ability to
respond with complementary programs as we make changes. I think the best avenue within our
City's Administration is to actually pull in those representatives that already have been working
on this and have brought in some really good resources. I want to acknowledge Pam Meyer, who
is in the audience tonight, a staff member, and there is more of you involved,but your division and
your ability to capture some grants that are going to really shore up and work in parallel with this
makes me very comfortable approving this. So, a representative from Community Investment, and
then the last piece I would like Council Members to consider is, if you continue on that sentence,
following the first(1St) three (3) months and six (6)months, I would like to include and thereafter
at regular intervals. Ok? I will leave my suggestions up to us.But,that is not just a report delivered.
So, strike out make a preliminary to read the Mayor's Office will report to the Common Council
at a public hearing. I think this gets to some concerns about community voice, landlord
representation, and tenant representation at least from my standpoint. We have seen the
effectiveness of public meetings held on this. We've had Committee Meetings at the Health and
Public Safety level and we have had good hearings here tonight. So, those are just some
recommendations that I would like Council to consider.
Councilmember John Voorde clarified, Councilmember Broden, are you making those in form of
a motion?
Councilmember Jo M. Broden confirmed, I would like to make those in form of a motion if time
is appropriate.
Councilmember John Voorde opened the floor to discussion on the motion.
Councilmember Oliver Davis stated, Yes, if we are going to include them, which I have no
problems with, I think we need to specify having at least two (2) tenants, people who either have
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experienced housing issues or who have been tenants themselves. I recommend at least two (2)
because if you only have one(1)person,they may feel intimidated to speak up. So, I think if we're
going to add, we need to add tonight, at least two (2) people who are tenants. Who are not only
tenants from a beautiful neighborhood and beautiful home but who have come from situations that
are on the list of homes who have been targeted,who have had problems with lead and experience
with this because there are a lot of tenants and if they come from landlords doing well,that defeats
the purpose. We need to have the voices of the people at the table with us and not just present to
us. So, I think at least a minimum of two (2) people who, especially like on that first (1St) list of
people we are going to target in 2019, two (2) people need to be there from that list on a regular
basis and then I will be comfortable in supporting what you have done, Councilmember Broden.
A minimum of two (2).
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston stated,As I mentioned earlier, I did like that but I would
like to have tenant and landlord representation.
Councilmember Oliver Davis interrupted, I don't mind.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston tried to continue, It's just so you have.
Councilmember Oliver Davis interrupted, I can live with that.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston stated, It is a demonstration of the partnership we have
all together.
Councilmember Oliver Davis interjected, So, two (2) of those and two (2) of those. I'm at peace.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden stated, I'm actually going to speak to that particular amendment. I
do think there will be information that is within this work group, when we are looking at these
measurements and metrics, I do think there are some confidentiality issues that really would be
significant that we really need to be careful about. I actually really thought about landlord and
tenant representation and that is why, though I don't see it as an appropriate fit for the working
group, but not precluding additional robust and frequent opportunities for public. That is why I
made the three(3)part change here because I think doing it at public hearings,to Council, and that
three (3) month, six (6) month, and thereafter in regular intervals, we get that same benefit of
thorough representation of not just one (1) tenant but all tenants that either have a plus or minus
with regard to this. So,that is why I kind of put those two(2)things together as the hearing process.
Councilmember Oliver Davis interrupted, With all due respect to that, I think that we are public
officials and I'm a therapist, I understand confidentiality, really, but my role as a public official
and my role as a therapist is a whole different ballgame. I think that the tenants and the landlords
need to be there and I believe you can find tenants if you want to say something of a private nature,
I think you find tenants that can share that because they have to be more private than we even can
because they have to deal with the risk of being thrown out. The landlords almost have to be even
more private because they don't want to be in the situation where they feel they are being
discriminated against. So, I think that we can have tenant and landlords at that part of it because
that was my key note here. I really think they need to be at the table from the beginning and I think
they need to be involved and not everything is made, and we present to them. That is the problem.
We don't need to present, we need to work with. I think that is where I see that.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston stated, I concur.
Councilmember Jake Teshka asked,So,if we would expound on that,who would be the appointing
bodies?
Councilmember Oliver Davis replied, We could have the Council and the Mayor's Office but I
really don't mind.
Councilmember Jake Teshka followed up, And you mentioned you wanted to find a specific type
of tenant. How?
Councilmember Oliver Davis replied, We have lists they presented us today of at least six hundred
(600) homes they are going to target this year. We already know who the trouble houses are. So,
we have over six hundred (600) houses and I'm sure at least two (2) people can be found within
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those trouble houses that would be willing to come and work with us. I mean, we had a gentleman
right now, bless his heart, over there and told us publicly to tell us he has eleven (11) days to live
in terms of no housing. And so,therefore,he came to share that. So,my thing is,people are willing
to come and talk to us. They call us all the time. As a school social worker, I hear them all the
time. So, I think we would be willing to find them, from that list, and the landlords, too. That
answers your question.
Councilmember Jake Teshka replied, Yeah, but if we are throwing this out there, I think we need
to clarify.
Councilmember Oliver Davis interjected, Oh, I agree with you. I've got no problems with that.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston stated, I think we have to have a different approach. I
think the approach needs to include community voices at the table during those discussions
because that is where the stuff happens. I trust that our leadership from the Mayor's Office, the
Council, whatever, that working group will be able to figure out how to do that. And as this
community has agreed upon that you all will work on a tenant's rights organization, there might
be leadership out there that emerges that says, ok, this organization will send a representative. So,
I would like to include the tenant and landlord piece and then allow the working group to work it
out as to how to identify those folks.
Councilmember Oliver Davis interjected, I agree.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden stated, I want to stick to my original two (2) motions and it is not
to preclude landlord representation or tenant representation,but I would like to actually call a vote.
Councilmember Jake Teshka seconded the original two (2)motions which carried by a voice vote
of eight (8) ayes and one(1) nay(Councilmember Oliver Davis).
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to add to that same paragraph that there be two (2)
tenants and two (2) landlords included in the working group appointed by the Mayor and Council
working together to jointly appoint. Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston seconded this
motion.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden asked,Are you suggesting it actually be a tenant or a representative
of a tenant? Does it need to be a tenant?
Councilmember Oliver Davis replied, It needs to be either a current tenant or someone who has
experience. A tenant rep? I don't even understand what a tenant rep is.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden clarified, If there is an organization that actually represents tenants,
as Councilmember Williams-Preston stated.
Councilmember Oliver Davis interrupted, No. I want to hear the words of somebody. I mean,
hearing the voice of the gentleman there that showed the pictures of rats.
Councilmember Jo M. Broden interjected, Enough said. Let's move on.
Councilmember Oliver Davis stated,Thank you.
Councilmember John Voorde asked Councilmember Oliver Davis to specify the appointing
bodies.
Councilmember Oliver Davis stated, I think we've already been specific on it. I mean, I can really
get specific and give you several points really quick, or, I can just let them go ahead and deal with
that. You all want me to go ahead and get specific, really?
Councilmember John Voorde replied, Not really.
Councilmember Oliver Davis replied, I didn't think so. And so, therefore, my point to you is there
are two (2) very simple things. We will let them do that. When your office called me, I said I love
it. I have that confidence that with this year, we could figure that out because this has been done.
So, with that understanding, I think you have to have two (2) landlords and two (2) tenants in this
committee and I'm at peace. Thank you, sir.
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Councilmember Davis' motion passed by a roll call vote five (5) ayes and four (4) nays
(Councilmembers Jo M. Broden, Jake Teshka, John Voorde, Gavin Ferlic).
Councilmember Gavin Ferlic then made a motion to send the second(2nd)substitute version of the
Bill No. 03-19, as amended,to the full Council with a favorable recommendation. Councilmember
Jo M. Broden seconded this motion which carried by nine(9) ayes.
RISE AND REPORT
Councilmember Karen White made a motion to rise and report to full Council. Councilmember
Gavin Ferlic seconded the motion which carried by a voice vote of nine(9) ayes.
REGULAR MEETING RECONVENED
Be it remembered that the Common Council of the City of South Bend reconvened in the Council
Chambers on the fourth floor of the County-City building at 11:41 p.m. Council President Tim
Scott presided with nine(9)members present.
BILLS —THIRD READING
BILL NO.
69-18 THIRD READING ON AN ORDINANCE
AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND
SEEKING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2610 EAST
JEFFERSON BOULEVARD, COUNCILMANIC
DISTRICT NO. 3 IN THE CITY OF SOUTH
BEND, INDIANA
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to continue Bill No. 69-18 to the March 11d', 2019
meeting of the Common Council,Council Portion Only. Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston
seconded this motion which carried by a voice vote of nine(9) ayes.
02-19 THIRD READING ON AN ORDINANCE
AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2307 EDISON
ROAD, COUNCILMANIC DISTRICT NO. 4 IN
THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to adopt the second (2nd) substitute version of Bill
No. 02-19. Councilmember Karen White seconded this motion which carried by a roll call vote of
nine (9) ayes.
03-19 THIRD READING ON AN ORDINANCE OF
THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
SOUTH BEND, INDIANA, AMENDING
CHAPTER SIX OF THE SOUTH BEND
MUNICIPAL CODE BY ADDING A NEW
ARTICLE 14 TITLED RENTAL SAFETY
VERIFICATION PROGRAM
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to adopt the second (2nd)substitute version of Bill
No. 03-19, as amended. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic seconded this motion which carried by a
roll call vote of nine (9) ayes.
05-19 THIRD READING ON AN ORDINANCE TO
VACATE THE FOLLOWING DESCRIBED
PROPERTY: THE EAST/WEST PORTION OF
DUBAIL ST. 29.8' IN WIDTH RUNNING WEST
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APPROX. 303' FROM RIGHT-OF-WAY OF S.
OLIVE ST TO PARCEL 018-8102-3875
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to adopt Bill No. 05-19. Councilmember Gavin
Ferlic seconded this motion which carried by a roll call vote of nine (9) ayes.
RESOLUTIONS
BILL NO.
19-01 A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA,
APPROVING A PETITION OF THE AREA
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR THE
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3602 WEST
SAMPLE STREET
Councilmember Oliver Davis, chair of the Zoning and Annexation Committee, reported that they
met this afternoon and, given time constraints, send this bill forward with no recommendation.
Jordan Wyatt, Planner for the Area Plan Commission with offices located on the 13th floor of the
County-City Building, South Bend, IN, served as the presenter for this bill. Mr. Wyatt stated, The
petitioner is requesting a special exception use for the site on the screen (referencing a slide in a
presentation which is available in the City Clerk's Office) for the processing and storage of
aggregate materials including on site crushing of materials, and to allow an outdoor storage unit
in excess of fifty percent(50%)of the total lot area. He showed a view of the façade of the property
and stated, They plan to keep the screening for the outdoor storage. Here is a site plan that shows
the location of the outdoor storage location that they plan to keep. This comes to you with a
favorable recommendation from the Area Board of Zoning Appeals. I would be happy to answer
any questions.
Councilmember Oliver Davis stated, When property like this comes to a district, what is Area
Plan's role in showing them that particular property or guiding them to see other properties in the
community that may be of similar use within the City that they could possibly move to instead of
this location?
Mr. Wyatt replied, The role for special exception uses that our office has is basically just as
administrators for this process. We inform them of the proper zoning and where they could go,
and that it requires a special exception use. But everything is basically up to the Area Board of
Zoning Appeals. I just write the four(4) criteria on them according to state law.
Councilmember Oliver Davis asked,But you don't show them other places where they could have
considered?
Mr. Wyatt replied, No. This is the most intense zoning district in the City of South Bend and it
would require a special exception use no matter where they would locate.
Councilmember Oliver Davis stated, That would be Community Investment that would look at
that kind of thing, but they're not here. Sorry. I'm at peace.
Mike Danch, Danch, Hamer and Associates with offices located at 1643 Commerce Drive, served
as the petitioner for this bill.Mr. Danch stated,I am representing the petitioner.What we are asking
for is the approval of the special exception to allow for the processing of aggregate materials. The
property is zoned Heavy Industrial, and per the City zoning requirements, no matter where we
were located, we would be required to go to the Board of Zoning Appeals then come before the
Council for the Special Exception. We go before the Area Board of Zoning Appeals,and we asked
from that Board for the approval of the special exception. They did grant us variances as well for
this particular site. As shown on the site plan we had also worked with Community Investment
who recommended this favorably. They asked us to keep the façade wall on the front of the
building and we have done that. We'll be removing about 90,000 square feet of existing old
dilapidated building. The areas you see on the site that are dotted are the areas where the aggregate
material would be. As we mentioned in the Committee Meeting, there's a dotted line on the site
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plan that shows the area is three-hundred(300)feet away from residential.Anything past that point
is where we are actually doing the storage. Under the requirements for the Zoning Ordinance,
anything close to residential at that point would have to screen the height of the storage material
and it could not be higher than the screening fence which in that case would be ten (10) feet.
Anything behind that line goes to the height of the zoning requirement which is one hundred fifty
(150)feet,fifteen(15)stories. We are holding it to thirty(30)feet which is what we said we would
do as part of a written commitment. There was a question from a Councilmember about whether
you could see that thirty (30) foot height of that material. If you were traveling down Sample
Street, I gave Councilmember Broden a crude sketch. I took a look at the height of the building,
the location of the closest aggregate pile that would be there, and you would not be able to see it
driving down Sample Street, the height of that material. There was a question from one (1) of the
owners about where the access point would be. It is in the northwest corner of the site and we are
not changing that. There would be only one (1) access point, we would have solid screens along
the western and eastern portions of the site. The existing wooded areas that are part of the site
would remain, which would also provide some additional screen for this.
Councilmember Jake Teshka asked, You said that the thirty(30) foot was submitted in writing? I
don't have that.
Mr. Danch replied, Yes. We said we would do that as a written commitment for the Council, even
though we're not required to do that by zoning.
Councilmember Jake Teshka stated,To me,it seems like an inherently County operation. Not only
are we talking about the thirty (30) foot high piles, but the dump trucks in and out and front-end
loaders. Is there a reason why they want to be at that location?
Mr. Danch replied,Yes. One(1)of the reasons is that it is already zoned properly with the GI, and
this particular location on Sample Street is already an industrial area, and it allows them access to
Laporte County. The one (1) they have on McKinley is a completely different zoning category.
Their materials, the piles would be located closer to the property line. The piles can be up to fifty
(50)feet tall at that location,that's County zoning. They just wanted somewhere closer. They have
jobs here in the City of South Bend where they deliver materials to, and also in Laporte County.
So, it makes sense from a traveling standpoint to have a second (2'1) location. When you were
asking whether other areas in the City of South Bend have this, Kuert Concrete does exactly the
same thing. Since they have been there for so long, they don't have to go through this process
unless they decide to expand. They are up against residential, we're actually against only
industrial.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston stated, I think you might have answered it but someone
brought us pictures earlier which you had a chance to see, and it looks horrible. I thought, Oh my
God, I don't want that anywhere near where I live, and you're saying that fifty (50) feet is their
limit, and you said that is different?
Mr. Danch replied, It is. That particular site went through a rezoning process. They were allowed
different operational standards there, so the piles that you see were allowed to be there. That was
a completely different operation. That is a thirty (30) to forty (40) acre site that you are seeing
there, as compared to one (1) that is only about nine (9) acres. And the site over there is actually
on sand, they weren't required to put pavement in. Whereas, this particular one (1) we have a
smaller site, and any materials that are there are going to be on pavement. Drainage will be to City
standards, there wouldn't be any runoff from this site on to any adjacent property. There would be
no contamination and there are no liquids that go with this. The question about the aggregate
material, there would be dust, but they would water down those aggregate materials to keep the
dust down.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston asked, You said they would water it down on a regular
basis?
Mr. Danch replied, They do for processing, yes. And the processing we talked about here is only
for a period of five(5) weeks out of an entire year.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston asked, Did they check any properties closer to Laporte,
like out that way towards the County?
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Mr. Danch replied, They have looked around at other areas into the County, you still need
industrial zoning in the County. Anywhere you would move farther west until you get almost to
New Carlisle is zoned Industrial.
Councilmember Sharon L. McBride asked, And there are no homes in view of that, even on the
backside?
Mr. Danch replied, No. On the rear side of this is a wooded area, but it is also three (3) different
railroad rights-of-way.Anything past that point are basically wooded areas, and there are no homes
back there.
Councilmember Tim Scott asked, How tall is the fence around the property?
Mr. Danch replied, The fence that we're showing would be a solid, ten(10) foot high fence.
Councilmember Tim Scott followed up, For thirty(30) foot high piles?
Mr. Danch replied, Yes. Now, if the Council would like us to do a portion there where you might
believe someone would see a pile, you would ask us to add evergreen screening and we could do
that.
Councilmember Tim Scott stated, Yes.
Mr. Danch stated, We're doing a special exception so that can be in the petition.
Councilmember Oliver Davis asked, Who regulates whether or not the piles are the right height,
things are going well, things are not in violation of what we have agreed to do tonight?
Mr. Danch replied, That would be Code Enforcement or the Area Plan Commission. It depends.
We're doing a written commitment, so if we are doing that it would be with the City of South Bend
which would also be the Building Department.
This being the time heretofore set for the Public Hearing on the above bill, proponents and
opponents were given an opportunity to be heard.
Jason Banicki, 3822 Ford Street, South Bend, IN, stated,Whoever from the City offices during the
Committee meeting said We don't think we can do any better than this project on this site, that's
just a shame if we don't think we can do any better than a project that, somebody once upon a time
was wise enough to say, zone the entire City away from this project. That's why we have to ask
for a special exception. They keep talking about the facade of the building being eighteen(18) feet
tall. That is only at its highest point. If you look at that building, and you pull up the pictures that
are already there, you can use the building there that is only two (2) stories tall as a reference point
and you'll see that there are points of that facade that are only ten (10) feet tall. So, if you put a
thirty(30) foot pile there, I don't care if you say it is three hundred (300) feet behind, you're still
going to see that from the road when its twenty (20) feet taller than parts of the facade. And they
keep ducking the neighbors that live on Kenmore Street or Falcon or Wellington Street directly
across the street from this. Yes, there is a vacant parking lot that sits there, but if you are looking
at a thirty (30) foot pile that sits behind a ten (10) foot wall, I don't think that any of us want to
look toward. I don't think this should be allowed in City limits. We wisely have coded us out of
it, and I don't think this needs a special exception.
David Andre, 2920 West Sample Street, South Bend, IN, stated, Grace Steel Corporation was just
in front of the Council and has committed a multi-million-dollar project to improve Sample Street
and take a vacant building and make it a viable entity. This project, putting giant piles of debris
onto Sample Street definitely devalues the project that we have undertaken. Frankly, this is
adjacent to the Urban Enterprise Zone incubator. What are we saying to new small business people
who are going into an incubator,they're looking at the City authorizing debris piles to be put right
next door to them. That does not send the right signal. I personally went yesterday to Osceola to
look at their site there. I was shocked, I took some photos, provided them to Council today via
email, provided some photos tonight, it's shocking. It is a ginormous debris pile. I went around
back of their property, through a fire station and took a photo through the woods. It looks like a
landfill. That is not what we want. If the Council approves this, they're selling out Sample Street
for many, many years. That is just not right to the neighbors and it's not right and does not
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encourage further investment and development of Sample Street. We're on the right track with
Ignition Park. We need to take that further down the street,hopefully Grace Steel sets that example.
We have zoning for a reason. Earlier in the Committee, special exceptions were commented on as
a slippery slope. If that special exception enhances the value of the neighborhood, enhances the
value of the City, I'm all for it. I would be all for anything in this site that is manufacturing, that
is improving it. But giant debris piles, aren't going to do it. This site only has one (1) single lane
entrance or exit. They can have as many as fifty (50) trucks a day going through that. That's a
safety issue. We're going to have a dust problem. It's unsightly. It's late, I don't want to belabor
this. I am adamantly opposed to going down this path and I really think we would be selling out
the neighborhood if we go forward. As Council mentioned,they could go places out in the County
and other sites where I think this would probably be better suited and they could pile it as high as
they do in Osceola.
Pam Andre, 2920 West Sample Street, South Bend, IN, stated, Thank you for your time. I agree
with everything that David Andre has said about this property being rezoned. I am very familiar
with this property. It is down the way from 2920 West Sample. It is an odd location for the type
of business that wants to move in there because there are a lot of neighborhood houses across the
street from it. In my opinion, and I am very familiar with the price of that building, I believe this
company is looking for a cheap property to purchase and bulldoze the building with the existing
resources that they own. They will be able to inexpensively demolish this building and I am going
to dig into one (1) point that they made about the existing wooded area which will provide
screening. It is called scrub brush, and it is along the railroad tracks. That is not going to provide
any type of screening, so I just wanted to pick on that point a little bit more. Thank you for your
time and your work.
Tammy Beer, 2920 Sample Street, South Bend, IN, stated, I am here as part of the team at Grace
Steel. We've made an investment in Sample Street and in the community, and this new project
down the street is not going to help us to help the City's mission to better the community and
Sample Street. Thank you so much for your time and for being here so late.
Joseph Knells, 2920 West Sample Street, South Bend, IN, stated, I am an employee at Grace Steel
and as a company we've made a commitment to better that area and make a difference in the
community. We feel that this is not a step in the right direction. This seems like just a quick
opportunity and to me, it feels like it will be an end to redevelopment there in the future. Also,
when you head west down Sample Street, the majority of that side of building, you can see from
the road. If you put ten (10) foot fences, you'll still see piles over it. If you plant evergreens it will
still be fifteen(15)to twenty(20)years before they would be blocking a thirty(30)foot pile.Thank
you for your time.
Sharon Banicki, 3822 Ford Street, South Bend, IN, stated, This is in my backyard literally. If it
wasn't I would have been out of here two (2) hours ago. The reason that property is Heavy
Industrial is because we had old factories that have all basically moved out. We still have Raco
there,and they have semis coming. If you go down Sample Street in the morning and you get stuck
behind one(1)of the semis that is trying to back up into one of their bays,they back up traffic and
it gets to be a mess. You're going to add more traffic onto that and the street is already crumbling.
I'm not sure the infrastructure there will hold all of the extra trucks that are going to be coming
and going. Then you're talking about piles of debris. Tim, you know, you look at Drewery's every
day. Would you wish that on anybody else? But if you agree to this, that's what you're doing.
You're wishing the Drewery's pile over to the Westside, and that's not fair to us. We've got too
many good things that we're trying to do and we're coming along, and then to throw this? I think
it's better suited to be out on SR23 by the other gravel pit that's out there,somewhere in the County
where they're by themselves, but not in a residential area.
The petitioner was then given five(5)minutes for rebuttal.
Mr. Danch stated, Just to answer a couple of questions. The residential is located about three
hundred(300)feet away,on the other side of Sample Street.This is an existing industrial area. I'm
sorry,but it is Heavy Industrial for a permitted use. We mentioned to Council that we worked with
Community Investment to keep that building so there is some mitigation between what is seen
from the streetscape and running down Sample Street and from the residential houses over there
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to where the piles are. They're not fifty (50) feet tall like those that are over on McKinley. We
would do that additional landscaping if Council would want us to, that would be fine. If there are
additional questions, let us know.
Councilmember Gavin Ferlic stated, I don't know what the appetite is tonight, I guess I drive by
the current concrete site and I think it looks pretty well-maintained for an industrial site. And I
don't know the difference between that and the site in the County. My understanding from talking
to the business owners is that it is substantially different. We do have heavy industrial zoning in
our City for businesses, and this is the use of the property that would employ eight (8) people. I
get the sense that the Council probably would not want to approve this tonight, and if this is the
case, I would encourage another continuation possibly, again, written commitments, something
working with the neighborhoods to see what is acceptable.
Councilmember Oliver Davis asked, One (1) of the challenges that you face over there that is
different from Kuert, we created a roundabout. One(1) of the things the roundabout did was sped
up traffic tremendously on Sample Street going west. It is very fast. I get my hair cut over there, I
don't even like coming out of there because they're coming down so fast. It is coming off that hill.
Speed and then you can look down and see everything over there. We can see it,because that side
of town is the hilly side of town. Rum Village has hills and then you come off the hills, so you
would literally see it. There is no way you are going to put a screen up to cover up the fact that
we're going to see that hill, and it creates problems. She made a great point. You get behind one
(1) of those trucks, Lord have mercy. You go that way and you're behind a truck, and you go the
other way and you have a train. We're trying to fix up the noises on the south west side, because
it was all of that industrial, but we've made a tremendous amount of improvement there over the
last few years and we want to continue to go that way. I am glad for the roundabout, but it has
really sped up the traffic, it's the speed. Coming off of that, I don't see that.
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to defeat Bill No. 19-01. Councilmember Karen
White seconded this motion which was carried by a roll call vote of eight(8) ayes and one(1)nay
(Councilmember Gavin Ferlic).
19-04 A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA,
APPROVING A PETITION OF THE AREA
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR THE
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1119 LINCOLNWAY
WEST
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to continue Bill No. 19-04 to the March 11th, 2019
meeting of the South Bend Common Council. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic seconded this motion
which carried by a voice vote of nine (9) ayes.
BILLS ON FIRST READING
There were no bills for first(1St)reading.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
There was no unfinished business.
NEW BUSINESS
There was no new business.
PRIVILEGE OF THE FLOOR
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No members of the public were present to speak under Privilege of the Floor.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to come before the Council, President Tim Scott adjourned the
meeting at 12:12 p.m.
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