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OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK
KAREEMAH FOWLER,CITY CLERK
ZONING&ANNEXATION FEBRUARY 27, 2017 4:55 P.M.
Committee Members Present: Oliver Davis, John Voorde, Gavin Ferlic, Jo M. Broden,
Jerry Phipps (citizen member)
Committee Member Absent: None
Other Council Present: Regina Williams-Preston, Karen White, Dr. David Varner,
Randy Kelly
Other Council Absent: Tim Scott
Others Present: Adriana Rodriguez, Aladean DeRose, Kareemah Fowler,
Graham Sparks, Brian Pawlowski
Presenters: Angela Smith, Doug Kirby
Agenda: Bill No. 02-17- Rezoning& Special Exception for Eddy St.
Commons Phase II
Bill No. 03-17- Rezoning for Crate Escape at Douglas Road
Substitute Bill No. 08-17-Zoning Text Amendment for the
CBD
Committee Chair Oliver Davis called the Zoning and Annexation Committee meeting to order at
4:55 p.m. He introduced the members of the committee then gave the floor to the Area Plan
Commission to discuss Bill No. 02-17.
Bill No. 02-17- Rezoning & Special Exception for Eddy St. Commons Phase II
Angela Smith, Area Plan Commission with offices on the 11th floor of the County-City Building,
stated, The petitioner is seeking to rezone the ten(10) acre tract on the map. It's practically the
vast majority of property between Napoleon and Howard. There are currently three (3) zoning
districts on the site and they are proposing to rezone the entire development to MU (Mixed-Use).
All the current zoning districts already allow what is in the guidelines for a Mixed-Use District.
The majority of the site is vacant. There will be five (5) distinct blocks within the site. Block A
will have a mix of retail and flex office space on the ground floor with Multi-Family residential
above it. Block B will have a similar kind of use. The petitioner is seeking a special exception,
right now they don't know if the units will be attached or detached structures. If they are
detached they would need that special exception to allow for Single-Family. Block C is proposed
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to be Multi-Family with some surface parking. Block D will be similar to the Single-Family
town homes along Georgiana. Block E has more Multi-Family parking and the proposed
redevelopment of the Robinson Learning Center on the south portion of the site. Blocks A and B
are proposed to have a four(4) story height limit. Blocks C, D and E will all fall below the forty
(40) feet or three (3) stories allowed within the MU (Mixed-Use) district. They are not asking for
any height variances. Originally the petitioner made a written commitment to restrict the uses
along Georgiana to residential. If the Council so chooses, tonight they can accept this legislation
with that written commitment to be upheld.
Committeemember Jerry Phipps asked, Was the original plan a high-rise for this area?
Ms. Smith answered, The petitioner did receive from the Area Plan Commission a height
variance for the northern two (2) blocks to go to the four stories. They are trying to be sensitive
to the residential areas around the development.
Doug Kirby, Kite Reality Group, stated, I don't have much more to add beyond what Angela just
presented. I'm definitely available to answer any questions you may have. We met with the
neighbors several times, worked with Notre Dame and really tried to work on a collaborative
plan to address all the stakeholders. There will be a fifteen(15) foot buffer on the east side of the
alley between the development and the residential neighborhood. Ultimately the old Robinson
Center may become retail development, but right now they are in need of a much larger facility
and that is what we are providing for them. There will be green scape and playground space for
the Robinson Center.
Councilmember Randy Kelly stated, I know that some of the issues brought by neighbors for
Phase I have come to fruition.Namely,the issue of parking has been at the forefront. I'm
wondering what we can do to alleviate some of these issues?
Mr. Kirby replied, I think a permit program with the City could work.
Committee Chair Davis stated, I encourage Notre Dame to continue working with the City
toward that outcome.
Brian Pawlowski, Community Investment with offices on the 14th floor of the County-City
Building, stated, Our engineers are working with Notre Dame and the developers to conduct a
traffic study on this portion of development. The permit option we may pursue is something very
similar to the one (1)by Four Winds Field.
Committeemember Jo M. Broden asked, When would be the timeframe for that data of the
study?And is there a study on the already existing parking structure?
Mr. Pawlowski replied, It is underway so probably within less than a month.
Mr. Kirby replied, We have taken a look at the structure and why it is under-utilized. Maybe it is
signage and we could improve that to get more of an understanding of the parking.
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Committee Chair Davis opened the floor to those from the public who wish to speak in favor of
or in opposition to the legislation.
There was no one wishing to speak in favor of or in opposition to the legislation.
Committeemember Gavin Ferlic moved to send Bill No. 02-17 to the full Council with a
favorable recommendation. This motion was seconded by Jerry Phipps and passed unanimously
by a voice vote of five (5) ayes.
Bill No. 03-17- Rezoninjz for Crate Escape at Dou,-las Road
Committeemember Ferlic moved to continue Bill No. 03-17 indefinitely. This motion was
seconded by Committeemember Broden and passed unanimously by a voice vote of five (5)
ayes.
Committee Chair Davis then introduced Substitute Bill No. 08-17 to the committee and asked the
Council Attorney to give context to the substitute bill.
Substitute Bill No. 08-17- Zoning Text Amendment for the ('131)
Aladean DeRose, Council Attorney, stated, The substitute was done by the Area Plan
Commission and it was just to simplify and make the language better reflect the language in the
rest of the ordinance.
Ms. Smith stated, It was also a formatting issue. There were some things that were included in
the ordinance that didn't need to be in order for the change to happen. It was just to make it
formatted the same way the rest of the language is in the existing ordinance. The text amendment
proposed is to address the property located between the St. Joseph River and the East Race
Waterway. The height to the west of the river is and will remain one hundred fifty(150) feet and
the height to the east of the East Race Waterway will remain sixty(60) feet. The only thing being
changed is the height. There is no reference to the stories. This comes to you from the Area Plan
Commission with a favorable recommendation.
Committee Chair Davis asked, When it comes to text amendments, what is the process of
notification for the neighbors? And would you explain the process of introducing and passing a
text amendment.
Ms. Smith replied, In terms of notification,there isn't anything in our bylaws that requires us to
notify surrounding property owners. We have in some instances in the past, but generally we
don't notify property owners because usually it's a city-wide thing anyway so we can't notify
everyone in the City. There are, by state law, only two (2)bodies that can initiate text
amendments. Either the Common Council or the Area Plan Commission can initiate a text
amendment and in this case, it was initiated by the Common Council. The Area Plan
Commission has to hear it regardless of who starts it.
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Mr. Ferlic, 1109 Duey Ave., stated, First,thank you to the Council for considering this text
amendment. This ordinance is in response to community demand and the neighbors' demand.
This fits within the vast majority of the comprehensive plan with regard to Mixed-Use
development, increase in density, and amenities such as restaurants, grocery stores and
pharmacies. It is important to note that to this point, no Mixed-Use development has occurred or
been proposed on this island since the comprehensive plan was adopted 2008. 1 would encourage
the Council to move forward to allow the plan to be achieved.
Committee Chair Davis stated, I was there in 2008 with the planning for the neighborhood. A lot
has changed since then and this small change will help us build back up. We have to make
changes within the spirit of the law to make things like this happen.
Tim Corcoran, Community Investment with offices on the 14th floor of the County-City
Building, stated, This text amendment was written in conjunction with the Office of Community
Investment. We wanted to do this in order to facilitate the agreement that was put together early
this year. On the west side of the river, it's currently zoned at one hundred fifty(15 0) feet but the
Chase Tower is currently approximately three hundred (300) feet. So this proposed number is
almost half of what is the highest of the CBD, and think one hundred fifty (15 0) feet helps the
gradient effect of what the plan is looking for.
Committeemember Broden stated, So what is the rationale behind the one hundred fifty (15 0)
feet?
Mr. Ferlic answered, In working with Community Investment, we are looking to scale height
into the surrounding neighborhoods. For all intents and purposes,the one hundred fifty (150) feet
from the three hundred (300) feet in the downtown offers a transition that successfully scales into
the neighborhoods while also encouraging Mixed-Use development. We thought one hundred
fifty (150) feet would achieve that proper scaling affect into the residential neighborhoods from
our downtown.
Committeemember Broden stated, In terms of planning principles, we are kind of forgetting
about the river. That's a pretty significant geographical factor in terms of your dome of your city.
How about the rationale for the one hundred fifty (150) feet as far as petitions of past. We are
saying we are trying to open things up to facilitate Mixed-Use development. What's the track
record or the data that says the height is what is stopping people from developing things in that
area?
Mr. Ferlic answered, Since 2008 there has been no actual development of Mixed-Use that we are
looking for in the comprehensive plan. The only proposed developments to this point have all
exceeded the sixty (60) foot cap. In order to make the comprehensive plan possible,this is a way
to achieve it.
Councilmember Regina Williams-Preston asked, Have we heard from The Pointe and what they
have to say about the proposal?
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Mr. Ferlic answered, The Pointe did write a letter in favor of a development that was under
development agreement currently. So the development that is proposed at nine (9) stories at the
Commerce Center location is supported by The Pointe.
Committeemember Broden stated, I wouldn't want to make assumptions on how The Pointe feels
about this right now. There are some finer points to that letter that I would encourage everyone to
read. Also,they purchased that property in 2015 and made $3 million of investments. Obviously
there wasn't an opportunity to go up and they chose not to. Why is the reference to stories silent
in this text amendment? I think we should include a story count. Also, could someone address
the transition from one hundred fifty(150)to the sixty(60) feet and why it is that way? In terms
of mechanicals, is that extra height silent too? Is there a specific area the mechanical equipment
atop the building needs to be?
Ms. Smith replied, Referencing stories in text often brings about concern because sometimes
stories don't match up with the feet requirement and visa versa. I would expect in the future the
reference might come out. The separation on the west side of the river is basically an alley. The
mechanicals can be up to twenty five (25) feet above the one hundred fifty (150) feet. It does not
have to be in any specific place. It is only just to house the equipment. If it had windows or was
being used for more than just housing the equipment,that would not be allowed.
Committeemember Phipps stated, I think there is a lot to like about this and it settles a lot of the
East Race conversation. My concern is there being enough demand for apartments. We don't
want to put all our eggs into one basket with this large development. Is there any information on
the housing study in regard to demand?
Mr. Pawlowski replied, In a housing study from 2013 that was projecting out five (5)to ten(10)
years, the number of units that have been brought on are within the threshold of that study. In the
ten(10) year outlook the number of units that could be brought on were roughly one thousand
(1000). Developers would not be committing the investment they are if they didn't have an
understanding of the demand.
Committee Chair Davis stated, There was someone at the Area Plan Commission meeting who
said they were retiring and were wanting to move downtown. I think that is interesting. It's easier
to get around when everything is close to each other.
Committeemember John Voorde stated, I've paid close attention to this issue starting with the
East Bank Village plan and the want to make this part of land distinctly different from the west
side of the river. The recession is to fault for the lack of development opportunities since the plan
was created, not the height restriction. Even with the sixty(60) feet limit, there were variances
allowing seventy eight(78) feet within the district. I like ninety six(96)feet and think that height
is a de facto height for the island. I don't like one hundred fifty (15 0) feet. A lot of properties in
this area are changing hands and the question is what it's going to be. To say there hasn't been
any development is unfair and untrue because there has been. This seems like a rush to judgment.
I think this text amendment spoils the vision.
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Committee Chair Davis then opened the floor to the members of the public wishing to speak in
favor of or in opposition to the legislation. There were none present to speak in favor.
Steve Francis, 2025 S. Edison St., stated, I'm dizzy because this project has taken a lot of turns.
It has been hard for us in the public to keep up with it. Those who have serious questions are lost
in the process. This is a major change to the zoning ordinance. The plan making process in 2008
was a full blown, inclusive and reaffirming process for the community to really envision what
they wanted to have happen east of the river. We wanted the village concept. What you're doing
now is pushing a reset button on that concept. The process is compromised and along the way I
think you have all gotten lost in your various camps of what you want personally. The content in
opening it up to one hundred fifty (15 0) feet is two (2) and a half times the current height
maximum. That blows it out of the water. If Dave Mathews wants twelve (12) stories two (2)
years from now, he would be able to do that. Please take a step back, take a breath, and go
through the process. We need to go back through the process we went through in 2008.
Rolanda Hughes, 1029 Riverside Dr., stated, I agree with everything Mr. Francis just said and I
think Mr. Voorde hit the nail on the head. The only argument to go so high has been the parking
spaces. I have done some research on this. The specific number given for the project was two
hundred and forty (240). I've counted and they are only using ninety nine (99) at the Commerce
Center right now. They said they needed one hundred and twenty (120) spaces for the Martins
Supermarket and Pharmacy. I did a survey at the Martins on Portage Ave. and the most cars they
had were eighty three (83), not the one hundred and twenty (120)they said they needed. Further,
they are envisioning one hundred and thirty two (132)places for offices and one hundred and
forty four(144) for the apartments. I think they are double counting the number of spaces that
are going to be used. In terms of due diligence on the part of the Council, you need to let them
know they do not need that many parking places. Next week, Matthews can decide to go higher
if he wants to. Once this is lifted,there is no going back. The agreement hasn't been signed.
There is $5 million of TIF on the table. I think the City at this point shouldn't allow this money
to be available.
Committeemember Ferlic moved to send Substitute Bill No. 08=17 to the full Council with a
favorable recommendation. This motion was seconded by Committee Chair Davis and failed by
a voice vote of two (2) ayes (Committee Chair Davis and Committeemember Ferlic) and three
(3) nays (Committeemembers Voorde, Broden, and Phipps).
Committeemember Ferlic then moved to send Substitute Bill No. 08-17 to the full Council with
no recommendation. This motion was seconded by Committee Chair Davis and passed by a
voice vote of three (3) ayes (Committee Chair Davis and Committeemembers Voorde and Ferlic)
and two (2) nays (Committeemembers Phipps and Broden).
With no other business on the agenda, Committee Chair Davis adjourned the Zoning and
Annexation Committee meeting at 6:05 p.m.
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Respect ub i ,
Olive vis, Committee Chair
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