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REGULAR MEETING September 28, 2015
Be it remembered that the Common Council of the City of South Bend, Indiana met in the
Council Chambers of the County-City Building on Monday, September 28 at 7:00 p.m. The
meeting was called to order by Council President Tim Scott and the Invocation (Oliver Davis)
and Pledge to the Flag were given.
ROLL CALL
COUNCILMEMBERS:
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Present: Tim Scott 1 District, (President)
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Henry Davis, Jr. 2 District (arrived 7:08 pm)
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Valerie Schey 3 District
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Dr. Fred Ferlic 4 District
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Oliver J. Davis 6 District
Gavin Ferlic At-Large
Karen L. White At-Large, Chairperson Committee of the Whole
Absent: Derek Dieter At-Large, (Vice-President)
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Dr. David Varner 5 District
OTHERS PRESENT:
Kathleen Cekanski-Farrand Council Attorney
Adriana Rodriguez Research Assistant
Janice I. Talboom Deputy
Kareemah Fowler Chief Deputy
REPORT FROM THE SUB-COMMITTEE ON MINUTES
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Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion that the minutes of the September 14, 2015,
meeting of the Council be accepted and placed on file. Councilmember Valerie Schey seconded
the motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
SPECIAL BUSINESS
15-84 A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SOUTH
BEND, INDIANA, PUBLICLY THANKING RON TEACHMAN, FOR HIS
SERVICE AS 61 THE SOUTH BEND POLICE DEPARTMENT
Councilmember Oliver Davis presented Resolution 15-84 to the full Council. Councilmember
Oliver Davis stated our chief of police could not be here, our new Chief, Chief Ruszkowski will
accept on his behalf. Thank you Ron Teachman for serving as the 61st Police Chief of the City of
South Bend. We ask the City Council of The City of South Bend, Indiana recognizes that posted
on the South Bend Police Department’s Website are words in the chief’s message which reads as
follows:
A society free from crime, violence, and accidental injury remains an unachieved ideal. It is
therefore the mission of the South Bend Police Department to seek and find ways to affirmatively
promote, preserve, and deliver a feeling of security, safety, and productive quality services for all
citizens in our community.
We understand that building, cultivating and maintaining the community's trust is a key element
in crime reduction in our City. Our ultimate goal at the South Bend Police Department is to
improve the quality of life for all our citizens as well as others we serve.
Whereas Ron Teachman was appointed South Bend Chief of Police in January 2013, having been
a thirty-four (34) year veteran of the New Bedford Police Department, served as their chief from
2006 to 2011, served on the Massachusetts Governor’s Anti-Crime Council Subcommittee on
Urban Violence and was also the first South Bend Police Chief to hold a law degree having earned
his Juris Doctorate Magna Cum Laude in 1994. Whereas the council did formally welcome Chief
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Teachman when they hosted an event at the Kroc Community Center where the public greeted and
heard Chief Teachman’s vision on public safety. Now be it resolved by the Common Council of
the City of City South Bend as follows:
On behalf of the residents of the City of South Bend Indiana, the Common Council thanks and
recognizes Chief Teachman for striving to implement best practices in policing. By launching
many new initiatives such as: Operation Cease Fire, the every Thursday morning CAM meetings
which all levels of public safety officials serving throughout the St. Joe County, just to name a
few, which have helped foster, provide guidance, and leadership in pursuing the police
department’s mission. To seek improvements in the quality of police service provided to the
people of South Bend. Thank you Chief Teachman.
Councilmember Karen White – I would like to thank Councilmember Oliver Davis for bringing
forth this resolution while I wish the very best to Chief Teachman, I look forward to working with
Chief Scott, welcome aboard.
Councilmember Gavin Ferlic – A big thank you to Chief Teachman but congratulations to Chief
Ruszkowski.
Councilmember Dr. Fred Ferlic – I applaud and respect all that Chief Teachman did for us. He
applied discipline and metrics to a department. I think that Chief Ruszkowski will continue with
that. So best of luck to Chief Teachman and his future endeavors and he have all the happiness in
the world.
Councilmember Valerie Schey – In Chief Teachman’s absence I would like to take this opportunity
to congratulate Chief Ruszkowski. We certainly are looking forward to you as our Chief and it has
always been a pleasure and I am sure it will continue to be a pleasure working with you.
Councilmember Henry Davis, Jr. – I’m going to echo the same sentiments as the councilmember
to my left, Valerie, congratulations Chief Scott on your new appointment I know you have been
looking forward to this for a very long time. You worked hard to get here so let’s make something
happen, man. I look forward to some good stuff happening.
President Tim Scott – I’d also like to thank Chief Teachman for his service and anybody who steps
up into law enforcement in their service. Anybody who steps up puts a badge on and goes out and
does that for however long or short of time they’ve been here in the city we thank him for his
leadership and best of luck to him.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Again I’d like to thank our Chief. I look forward to new and
exciting things with our new chief.
Chief Ruszkowski- On behalf of Chief Teachman I know he is a little busy right now in the
transition from the public safety perspective avenue that we have to the private sector. To say that
he is running from A to B would be an understatement. He has been in and out of the office about
40-50 times today trying to get things caught up. I can assure you that he is much humbled and
appreciative of what you’ve done with this resolution. I will make sure that he gets it. And, again
on both of our behalves thank you for your support of the chief and myself. Thank you.
Council President Tim Scott- This being the time heretofore set for the Public Hearing on the
above bill, proponents and opponents were given an opportunity to be heard.
There being no one present wishing to speak to the Council in favor of or opposition to this bill,
Councilmember Gavin Ferlic made a motion to adopt by acclamation Bill 15-84.
Councilmember Karen White seconded the motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7)
ayes.
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Councilmember Gavin Ferlic made a motion to continue Bill 15-93 to October 12, 2015.
Councilmember Valerie Schey seconded the motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7)
ayes.
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REPORTS OF CITY OFFICES
There were no city reports from City Office
RESOLVE INTO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE
At 7:31 p.m. Council President Tim Scott requested a motion to resolve into the Committee of
the Whole. So moved by Councilmember Oliver Davis. Councilmember Henry Davis Jr.
seconded the motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes. Councilmember White,
Chairperson, presiding.
Councilmember White explained the procedures to be followed for tonight’s meeting in
accordance with Article 1, Section 2-11 of the South Bend Municipal Code.
Councilmember White stated that a brochure may be found on the railing in the Council
Chambers explaining those procedures.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
34-15 PUBLIC HEARING ON A BILL OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF SOUTH BEND INDIANA ANNEXING TO AND BRINGING
WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA AND
AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED IN
PORTAGE TOWNSHIP
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White requested additional comments from the Council
Attorney. Council Attorney Cekanski-Farrand recommended a motion to hear the substitute bill
34-15 and that the bill be continued.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White requested a motion to hear the substitute version of
the bill. Councilmember Valerie Schey made a motion to hear the substitute version of Bill 34-15.
Councilmember Gavin Ferlic seconded the motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes
Councilmember Oliver Davis Chairperson, Zoning & Annexation Committee, reported that they
met this afternoon on this bill and due to a lack of quorum there is no recommendation.
Presenter: Matthew Chappuies, of Area Plan: Offices on the 11th Floor: This is the Southwest
corner of Western Avenue and Mayflower. This is the future home of the Martin’s grocery store.
The petitioner is requesting a zone change from residential in the county as well as commercial in
the county to CBA community business district within the City of South Bend and as part of a
voluntary annexation. To the north of the site is a retail strip center zone commercial. To the
south, east, and west is predominantly a residential area.
(Presenter begins to use slideshow presentation) This is a view from the site from, I believe July
looking west along Mayflower. This is a view of the site, looking down the now vacate Huron St.
There on the right is Huron St. from the other direction. This is going east. The site is
approximately 8.4 acres and does contain the existing Top Notch restaurant there on the Northeast
corner of the site. The site will also contain a 40,000 sq. ft. grocery store near the center of the
site. The store will be oriented toward Mayflower Rd, however it will access from both Mayflower
and Hollywood. A retention basin is located in the southeast corner of the site and the southeast
property line will be screened by type B heavy landscape screening. This type of screening is
intended to create visual and sound barriers that will protect the neighborhood residents from the
traffic and general use of the site. The west property line along Hollywood Blvd, here, will be
screened by mature evergreen trees as well as a seven (7) foot ornamental screening fence. That
is again to protect the neighborhood residents from the noise of trash collection as well as the
deliveries that may occur at the rear of the site. This is a drive-thru lane, outdoor setting area on
the south portion of the site. I believe that is intended for some sort of coffee shop. There were
several variances that the company did. However, the staff worked with the developer at length
to ensure the site would not be injurious to the neighborhood. As noted this is an amended bill.
The original legal description has changed and I’ll let the petitioner explain why that happened.
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The area plan commission sends this to you with a favorable recommendation. At this time I’d be
happy to answer any questions.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White asked for questions from the committee.
Councilmember Valerie Schey- My questions for you are twofold, the annexation of this parcel do
we as a City already have water and sewer in the vicinity.
Mr. Chappuies: Yes we do. They will be connecting as part of the annexation process.
Councilmember Valerie Schey- Will we be just running from the main valve, is that convenient?
Mr. Chappuies: I can’t answer that. I believe that the petitioner may touch on that a little bit.
However there will be a presentation on the annexation process and that will be later this evening
by Mike Divita and I believe he’s here to answer those technical issue questions of what the City
will be investing in.
Councilmember Valerie Schey- The other question I had is I learned with some developments in
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the 3 District, the promise of the buffer, the bushes, there have been some businesses in the third
that haven’t upheld their commitment to putting the buffers, the tree buffer in. Is there any sort of
written commitment in this site plan that those trees will in fact be planted?
Area Plan Presenter: Yes there is. They are part of the variances that were approved by Area Plan
Commission. What you see on the screen and what I described as well is required as part of this
bill passing.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- First of all the traffic, could you talk about the traffic study? There
is a great concern regarding adding more traffic on the corner of Western Ave and Mayflower.
Mr. Chappuies: I do understand that that is a concern and I am aware the city is requiring the
developer to pay for a traffic analysis. However, the details of that I will leave that up to the
petitioner as well as the department of community investment.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Also I would like for you or the petitioner to talk about the
Hollywood Blvd. traffic and rationale of why that back entrance has to remain open. Is there any
other consideration for that to be closed? Could you shed some light on that topic?
Area Plan Presenter: It is my understanding that city engineering requested that access remain on
Hollywood Blvd. for access for emergency vehicles and evacuation, things of that nature.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Is there anyone from City Engineering who can present on that? I
asked for them to be here tonight. I really needed that to be coming from a city engineer. A lot of
residents have asked me about that. We’ve had meetings about that. That was a key thing and
their public works director heard about that this afternoon. Those officials are here now? Thank
God. I appreciate it. I had a lot of issues about that coming up. Does he want to talk about that
now or does he want to talk about that then, after the petitioner? We’re going to hear from our
public works. I have questions for him regarding those matters. We’ll have questions with the
public works director so he can address all the Hollywood Blvd. issues and to see if there is any
possibility of any leeway on that. And say if that we can have our emergency routes come in there
without having to cause traffic problems for our neighbors. And yet Martin’s can still move
forward with their proposal. That’s what I’m hoping to hear at the end of this.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- Thank you very much. Thank you for your
presentation. We ask that the petitioner come forward. State your name and address. I would also
like for a city representative to be ready to respond to some the questions that were addressed
earlier this afternoon.
Mike Danch (Danch and Danch) South Bend, Indiana- As Matthew had mentioned what we are
asking to do are two things this evening. The first one is we are asking this property to be annexed
into the City of South Bend. As Matthew had mentioned the property right now is in the
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incorporated area of the county. We’ve got a couple different zoning classifications from B-
Business and residential. We’d like to bring the entire parcel in as CB community business. This
would allow for the grocery store and also the existing restaurant. That’s one of the things we’re
asking the council this evening to do. The second is to actually rezone the property and that is
consistent zoning under the city guidelines what we are required to do in this particular
development is we need to have community business zoning to allow for the both grocery store
and to allow for the continued operation of the restaurant. The site plan that you see before you
this evening covers about 8.5 acres of ground there are access points on Western Ave. which is an
existing access point. There are a couple of existing access points off of Mayflower Rd. of which
one is existing. The one where we are proposing a new one is down at the South East corner and
the last one is an opening on to Hollywood Blvd.
The site was laid out to orient the building which is approximately 40,000 sq. ft. toward Mayflower
Rd. The back of the building would be toward the residential area or toward Hollywood Blvd.
The main access point for this development is to come off of Mayflower Rd. We have an opening
there that shows, basically, an entrance with a right turn coming in and a left turn going out. As
part of the process that we went through for development of this property, we actually went to the
county council first to request a vacation of Huron St. Which was a sixty (60) foot wide dedicated
right-away that went between Mayflower Rd. and Hollywood Blvd. It was a straight shot between
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those two streets. September 8 we met with the County Council and through the process we were
about to get that street vacated with a nine (9) to zero (0) vote. The reason we had gone through
the vacation process was to bring this all in as one parcel of ground. We also worked with the
adjacent which is the West Winds Tavern at the South East corner of the site. We worked out a
consideration were we did our design work so it allowed him to have access to our main drive
away as well.
His one concern was that some of the patrons from his particular establishment restaurant and
tavern actually used Huron St. to go out to Hollywood Blvd. One of their concerns was to make
sure there was access for his business from his particular facility at the Southeast corner of our
property over to Hollywood Blvd. The way this plan is to take that into consideration we did it in
such a way to make it more difficult for traffic coming from off Mayflower Rd. over to Hollywood
Blvd. As Matthew had also mentioned as part of the development we asked for several variances
for the development itself. The major ones that we worked with the staff on was for mitigation
between this site and the residential property to the West and to the South. As Matthew had
mentioned along Hollywood Blvd. we are doing a couple different things. Behind the building or
toward the Westside and along Hollywood Blvd. we are going to be putting up screening. There’ll
be a slight berm there were you see that green area on the overhead, along with evergreen trees
and a solid screening fence. The reason for that was to mitigate any visual if you were looking
from those residential to our site but also for a sound barrier. To the south there was an existing
home, we again added some additional landscaping along there. We also had a retention area so
that gave us a buffer area between that existing house and where any of the parking areas were or
to the proposed building that you see.
We actually worked again with the tavern owner because of the way the city ordinances are the
tavern is actually zoned residential. That would have required evergreen screening along his entire
boundary between his property and our property. He didn’t want that, he wanted to make that his
property and also have visibility from Mayflower Rd. So one of our variances that they actually
requested from the Plan Commission was to be allowed to use lower shrubs along our southeast
boundary between our property and West Winds Tavern. We tried to work with him to be able to
take that into consideration. He was satisfied with the result of our particular design. As far as
drainage will go on this particular site we will be held to the City standards of the site itself is
going to be filled in the area where you see the parking lot and the building. We will have a
combination of a French drain system for surface run off and retention area that is required by the
City of South Bend. Their requirement basically states whatever your impervious surfaces be it
building or parking areas that you have to meet certain drainage standards and you have to hold
those on your property. It is not allowed to run off-site. So, this plan will take that into account
when we get to the final site plan stage, assuming that we receive the project approval. One of the
other questions I believe that the Councilman had asked was has Martins Supermarket hired JPR
to go out and do a traffic study. After we had gone through the street vacation process with the
county, Raphael Morton, the Council President had asked me to have a meeting with County
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engineering and City Engineering on our access points on Hollywood Blvd. to discuss that
particular issue.
We did have that meeting with both the City Engineering and the County Engineering; the result
of that meeting was that the City asked to do a traffic impact analysis study for this particular
project. The scope of that project is to determine the impact the traffic would have coming off of
Mayflower Rd., Western Ave., and also off of Hollywood Blvd. They want that study to take into
account both traffic entering and leaving the site. That study would have taken into account what
would have to be done in order for us to be allowed to build. So, if there are any improvements
for me, those adjacent roadways. That impact study would say what would need to be done. That
would become part of the record. That would also be part of the approval process for the final site
plan. I believe one the council members had asked when those improvements would have to go
in place. Those would have to go in place if there are those kinds of requirements that the City
dictates for this development. Those would have to be done as part of the construction process for
the grocery store. We were going to take a look at that issue we had met with the members from
the city engineering department and county engineering department. One of the things that they
did bring up was they prefer to have an access point on to Hollywood Blvd for safety reasons.
Their concern was with any kind of development if any of other ways into the site or development
would be blocked for whatever reason whether there was some problem on Mayflower or Western,
they needed to have another way in to this particular site.
The way we designed the access point on to Hollywood Blvd is to make it only for vehicles. The
way this entire site was designed was that truck traffic can’t come off of Hollywood Blvd. into this
site. They couldn’t make the turning radiuses. The way we’ve planned it is that they would come
in either at our Southeast corner or come in the main entrance and then go behind the building after
they unload they would be able to leave and go up to Western Ave. and back over to Mayflower.
Or they would be able to come back out to our main entrance and back out to Mayflower and then
make a left or a right turn on Mayflower. The access is not enough to make a turn off of Hollywood
Blvd. So I think, what we’ve tried to do is to design it for that particular case. One of the other
questions that the council had asked was the type of infrastructure that would happen on the
particular development. We have been working with the City on this for several months and one
of things the City had asked us to do is, there is a ten (10”) foot water line that is up at the Top
Notch restaurant site that dead ends into our property.
The City asked us at our expense to loop that line and bring it up along Mayflower Rd. and then
tie it back into the subdivision to the East. So, Martin’s Supermarket will be doing those
improvements at our cost. We would also be extending the waterline and probably another loop
around into the property for fire protection. There is an existing sanitary sewer line that is running
through the vacated Huron St. So we will be tying into that, that’s an existing sanitary line that
does not have to be improved or extended, that is already on site. Any of the other utilities we
would have to pay for bringing them on to the property. One of the other items that we were doing
as part of this project assuming that we receive approval and we move on to the next step is that
we are going to be working with Transpo on this particular project. We are going to end up having
a bus drop-off area at the front of the store. We had been working on our original plans the first
time that we talked about doing this particular project, Transpo had thought about doing a bus
drop-off along Mayflower Rd. and we said that’s a little too far away for patrons or for people to
walk from Mayflower Rd. to the store. That we would actually provide an area in front of the
building so that the bus actually comes in and drops off or picks up people. Then because of the
way that we designed the site they would be able to pull back out and continue on route.
Assuming this gets approved that will be part of the final site plan procedure; we’ll be working
with Transpo on that as well. We believe that we’ve done everything possible to try to design this
site to fit and the way we designed it with the landscaping orientation of the building, where the
parking area is located. One of other items that was mentioned was lighting that we do for these
particular sites because of the way the South Bend zoning ordinance is written we are very
restricted on the type of lighting we can use or the site improvements. The lighting has to meet a
certain standard. The actual light poles are usually around twenty-five (25) feet tall, they are fully
shielded, and one of the things we have to submit as part of the final site plan procedure is what
they call a Lumens plan. That Lumens plan basically dictates the foot candles or any light spillages
along the adjacent property line between us and any adjacent property owner or public street.
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Under the City of South Bend standards that is a zero foot candle, which means we can’t have any
light spillage over on its adjacent property. So that would also be a part of the final site plan
procedure. What we would ask Council to do is approve the annexation request that we are doing
and also approve the zoning for the CB district. What we will probably be seeing here is a
development in excess of 10 million dollars brought into the City of South Bend. If you have any
questions I would be glad to answer them.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- I’m going to start with the Council in terms of
questions. Then I am going to ask that our Public Works Director Eric Horvath come to the podium
as well. At this time, this is the opportunity to ask questions of the petitioner.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Could you clarify what would happen if the spillage of lighting
comes into the people’s homes? I know that we have a zero rate for the city, but what happens for
the county houses around there? If people who live in the county happen to have problems with
lighting what should they do? Parking retention issues, you said that there is a difference of the
parking lot, could you explain that a little bit better for people to understand that. Hours of
operation, security, and whether Top Notch is still going to be around. The last thing, I want the
public works person to talk about is the rationale of why they wanted to keep Hollywood Blvd. for
security reasons or traffic reasons and if there is any other configuration that could be done or
anything else to keep traffic minimized on Hollywood Blvd. If there is an emergency wouldn’t
trucks be included under emergency purposes too?
Mr. Danch - First thing lighting, whether you are in the county or the city doesn’t make any
difference, the site plan has to reflect zero foot candles around the perimeter. If there is an issue
with lighting any of the adjacent owners if they thought that there was light spillage or some light
pollution coming on to their property, they could check with the City Building Department. We
are required to submit a plan and it shows what’s going on so that there is relief for that if they
believe there’s a situation.
The Building Department would certainly ask us or at least call us to ask to give them
specifications if there was a concern about a certain light fixture. They have it shown on the plan
that somehow someone thought that there was some spillage of the one. That would take care of
that part. Regarding the drainage issue, we have been dealing with the City of South Bend, we’ve
got the large parking area and we’ve got the building those are our impervious surfaces. We have
to handle the surface runoff based on the city standards which is about a two inch (2”) rainfall.
The distances that you have on that parking lot, most likely under that parking area you will end
up with some piping, you will end up with some gravel that you wrap around the pipe and that’s
what we call a French draining system. That will handle that surface runoff that comes off that
parking lot. If you have an overflow area or you’re picking up water from the building then that
retention area that you see at the Southwest corner of the site is where that water would go to. That
is not going to be a pond, that is going to be a dry pond, and we have sandy soils that are out there.
So that is not intended to hold water, it’s basically to handle a rain event based on the city standards.
So that’s how we take care of that situation again, that’s reflected on the site plan that is reviewed
by city engineering and approved by city engineering for capacity, routing, and the type of systems
that we use.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Security and Hours of Operation?
Mr. Danch - Hours of operation are typical of Martin’s, I believe from 6 a.m. to 11 p.m. is what
they do. Security-wise they do have a security officer in the building but also have security cameras
within the building itself and on the outside of the building.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- The last question that came for the public works director about the
traffic study.
Mr. Danch - I think we had said, I am going to let the Public Works Director talk, but one of the
points of having the study done for the traffic is also to allow for that study to actually reflect what
it is anticipated that cars would be going out on to Hollywood Blvd. So when you are taking a
look at a site like this when we have two-hundred and fifty (250) parking spaces all the cars are
not being dropped on to Hollywood Blvd. They will be going out on to Mayflower Rd. and
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Western Ave. So you have these other areas, where only a portion of your patrons are actually
going to go out on Hollywood Blvd. If you take a look at it there’s houses to the west of this
particular site and you would like them to be able to get to this particular facility. Maybe some of
the other patrons don’t like to use Mayflower Rd. or they don’t like to use Western Ave. maybe
they prefer to have a less traveled way if they are going through a neighborhood. Sometimes older
residents like to stay off the main roads and they like to have a way into these particular facilities.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- You mentioned emergencies too. Could you talk about the trucks
again? Also this is going to go up in 2017 and you’re saying after the traffic study, after they find
whatever they find, if they need more road or whatever, that will be a part of the construction as it
goes up and not after it’s up.
Mr. Danch - That would be correct. When you are doing the traffic study, that’ll become part of
the site plan process. He’s going to be taking a look at that when we are handling plans for the
building site, how we do drainage, how we do our access points, that study will basically tell the
city what needs to be done. The city will then tell us what has to happen as part of the approval.
Chairperson White - I am going to ask councilmembers to address any questions they have with
the petitioner and then our City Director of Public Works and comeback.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - Will this petitioner be seeking a tax abatement through the city
or the county?
Mr. Danch- If they were going to do that it would probably have to be in the City. I am not aware
of any petition. There are different processes that you have to go through. I am not aware of
anything right now.
Councilmember Henry Davis- Are they here?
Petitioner- They are here.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr.- Would they be interested in answering that question?
Mr. Danch - They could do that.
Robert Bartels 760 W Cotter- We do not have plans and have not requested any of those abatement
kinds of things yet. We will see where the price tag is on infrastructure roadway and the rest. I
don’t know what is going to be required there or what it might require from us. We don’t have
plans right now. That hasn’t been a part of our program yet. We will see where the cards fall in
terms of cost and ultimately what that road design requires.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr.- The reason why I asked that question is because we’ve had this
issue before and I think that we stated this when we were at the public meeting at the Laborer’s
Union. I fear that, not that this is your issue, but with the City having another empty building on a
main thoroughfare that there is no interest in looking for a new tenant or helping support in finding
a tenant for that building and also the tax issue of being able to file for a tax abatement through a
county and getting zero and the City goes and annexes the area under that same tax abatement and
then we have to honor it at zero. That’s why I’m asking that question.
Robert Bartels- I thought I heard a question about the current building that we’re in right now and
its future use. We’re not the landlord in that location. So I have no way of knowing what their
plans might be for developing that center further.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - I said that that was a City issue. I was not putting that on you.
Obviously you cannot answer that question. But the other question that you can answer is about
the tax abatement.
Robert Bartels- That is correct sir. Without trying to explain tax abatement in its entirety. There
is some unforeseen possibility in terms of road and development. We’ve been a good community
partner and we do the right things for the right reasons. We are looking forward to being earnest
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in our endeavors. However, I don’t think that it’s appropriate for me to commit. I have no idea
what it might show. If it’s reasonable and usually those things fall well within what we are willing
and capable of doing. I know there are other things that the City is looking at. Secondly, we are
not escaping taxes, we’re asking to become part of the City and pay City taxes and continue our
track record of being good corporate citizens. I’m stuck because without going into the mechanics
of tax abatements, it’s not a zero sum game.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - I wasn’t trying to suggest that you were trying to avoid taxes.
It was just a simple question. As you move to the county, as you could be or are trying to relocate
to the county the law is what I stated, that we will have to honor whatever the county gives you.
When or if the annexation happens. I do know we had a similar situation with another business
where they are not paying anything at all and so the City will not recoup any taxes from your new
development per the county abatement law. That is why I am asking the question. So, you are
still sort of saying you may or may not know what’s going on. If you don’t know you don’t know.
Robert Bartels- The answer is we have had no conversation with anyone about tax abatements at
all at this point.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- At this time we have no other questions for the
petitioner. We do have questions for the Director of Public Works.
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Eric Horvath Public Works Director: Offices on the 13 Floor- I appreciate your time this
afternoon and I appreciate Martin’s continuing to invest in this area and keeping a store in this
area. I think it is great that they are doing that I also appreciate the efforts they’ve made today to
work with local businesses and local residents to try to minimize any impacts that their store will
have in this area including a traffic impact study that we are asking them to do. I think that really
the crux is trying to find a way to keep a store here but minimize any impacts it has through looking
at the lighting, looking at the landscape, and then looking at any potential traffic issues. I do want
to point out that the traffic impact study will tell the story in what we will ask them to do. If we
need dedicated turning lanes, if we need excel/ decel lines, whatever we need to do to make sure
we’ve got safe traffic movements that can happen out here. That will be part of that traffic study.
Having said that, I also need to make sure that the Council understands that Hollywood Blvd is a
county road and will remain a county road. As such the city will not have jurisdiction on curb cuts
nor will we have jurisdiction on limiting trucks or other activity. So if we want to put some type
of traffic control measures in there, until it’s a City street we will not have the ability to do that. I
do think in terms of the curb cut on Hollywood Blvd., my staff thought it’d be helpful for public
safety access. That we make sure we have a number of access points for police and fire for any
instance that would happen there. They did recommend having a cut on Hollywood Blvd.
However just to be clear that is county jurisdiction.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- How long does a traffic study take and then when will you find the
results of that and then how will that be released to the public? Especially the neighbors and all of
us that in the Sixth District of South Bend. How would I and all the council find that out? Let’s
say everything was approved tonight. When would we find out about it and is there any voice the
neighbors have in that study? Do they survey them? Tell me about it.
Eric Horvath- Director of Public Works deferred the questions to Michael Danch.
Mr. Danch - They will be checking to see if the scope is correct, first. My guess is that this will
be about a four (4) to six (6) week process.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- So by the end of October middle of November we would know?
Mr. Danch - As soon as we give it to the City, you can share it with the council members and
probably what would end up happening is once you see that particular study you’re either going
to be in contact with City Engineering to ask to them questions about what that study actually
represents.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Then the residents themselves, how can they find out about that?
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Petitioner- If we submit it to the city it’s potential public information at that point so they would
be allowed to request a copy of that.
Eric Horvath- We can put that on the website or make sure we are sharing with folks. At the point
we are sitting down having discussions it will be delivered in material. But once we have a final
document on the traffic impact study it’ll be a public document that we’ll share. We will sit down
with Martin’s and make sure we’ve got a plan that works for them, works for the community, and
essentially a way we can feel comfortable that we’ll have safe traffic movements in this area.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Who is in charge of making that study? Is it City people or is it
MACOG folks? If someone wants to talk to some people, can they write letters to people to get
their viewpoints heard so the neighbors and people can have some say, or is the professionals
themselves coming together without any input from anybody? What is it?
Petitioner- No, that’s what it is. The City has asked for a traffic impact study to be done by a
professional transportation engineer. There is not a survey that gets done when these professionals
start doing this particular analysis. What they take a look at is what’s proposed for a particular site,
the size of the building, what the turnout would be, the parking lot and usage that is going to go
on this particular property and based on that information, and they look at historical data based on
these types of developments. They will come up with a formula that says how the traffic is going
to work at this particular location based on their best estimates. That’s what the City is asking for.
That’s how the City does traffic impact studies. For all their arterials, they have the Traffic
Engineer take a look at those and then the City takes that information to make any kind of
improvement or do what they think they need to do.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- If anybody violates the issue on Hollywood it’s not the City’s
responsibility it would be the county’s responsibility?
Eric Horvath- This will need to be a joint effort between the City and County when we get the
traffic impact study so that the county is on board with any impact on Hollywood Blvd. and
actually portions of Western Ave. as well.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Thank you for your time.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- We will now move into the Public Hearing portion.
This being the time heretofore set for the Public Hearing on the above bill, proponents and
opponents were given an opportunity to be heard.
Those wishing to speak in favor:
Murray Miller, 1201 S. Priscilla Dr. - I am in favor of the new Martin’s store. I think any
improvements to the Westside of South Bend are greatly needed and welcomed. I live and work
within a six block radius of the new Martin’s, so I think it’s a great impact for the Westside of
South Bend and I ask that you approve that.
Steve Moore, 53154 Wildlife Tribe of South Bend- I think it’s great I have been shopping at this
Martin’s on Western Ave since 1981. I just think it’s time for a new store. I think it’ll help the
Westside a lot and bring a lot of new customers not only to our store but also the Westside.
Richard and Christine Holland, 13116 Flowing Stream Ct.- I’m in favor of the new Martin’s, I
think that moving back to the west end is a great thing that Martin’s is doing. It’s going to become
a destination place, which I feel is going to help the west end hopefully draw some of that business
from the Grape Rd. area on to west end, because it is going to be a destination point. We have been
shopping at Martin’s, I worked for Martin’s, I just think it’s a great thing. I live on the west end.
They’re going to put a store on the west end that we can be proud of. I am definitely looking
forward to all of the amenities Martin’s has to offer at some of the other stores. Putting those on
the west end would be a great asset.
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Sam Centellas, 746 S. Meade St. - We’re excited, La Casa de Amistad has been promoting a lot
of development on the Westside, so we are just glad to see a business investing on the Westside of
town and putting in a great facility. It shouldn’t just be the other side of town that has great
facilities. We are thankful to Rob and his team who are continuing to support the Westside.
Mark Neal, 112 W. Jefferson Blvd.- When I first moved to South Bend in 1979 my Martin’s was
on Portage Ave., the original Martin’s. When we moved again my Martin’s became the Erskine
Plaza Martin’s. My Martin’s now is SR 23 and Ironwood and the quality of our community is in
part the strength of our local businesses. I think Martin’s has been a tremendous corporate citizen.
When you look at the all the things that they promote, the pride that they take in our community
and in their stores, I think that they’re just an outstanding local corporate citizen and deserve our
support.
Those wishing to speak in opposition:
Eric Kazmanski, 56921 Hollywood Blvd. - All these people that were in favor that’s a great thing
that they’re in favor, the thing they didn’t mention is they don’t live on Hollywood Blvd. and they
don’t live on Elmer St. The reason I am here today is because of concerns we have with the new
Martin’s store coming into our neighborhood. Our neighborhood now is a quiet neighborhood and
no doubt will be greatly impacted by this Martin’s. Mr. Oliver Davis and Mr. Henry Davis were
at our neighborhood meeting so they already know our issues that we were concerned and all that
we brought up at our neighborhood meeting, the biggest problem is the back entrance off of
Hollywood.
It’s really an unneeded traffic problem in our neighborhood. No other Martin’s has a back entrance
into a residential neighborhood I brought this up before they said 23 and Ironwood has one. I took
a ride there they have one little gate up about ten (10) feet off of Ironwood that goes into a
neighborhood that’s the back of their complex into a condo situation. There’s no residential house
down in that neighborhood and they’re not being impacted, they don’t have Grant Dr. slippage, all
the people coming from the west slipping into that street to cut through that gas station parking lot
to get into the Martin’s. Martin’s say they put a back entrance for the residents in our
neighborhood. The resident don’t want it. I think my wife mailed you a package with a petition
showing we don’t want that. So if they are doing it for us they’re doing us no favor. As far as the
tavern customers go they don’t live in our neighborhood either for the bulk of it. They don’t need
a little traffic thing to sneak out through our neighborhood. At the end of the county council
meeting County Council President Raphael Morton told Martin’s engineers he understands our
concerns and told him to call the City Engineering department and address these issues. He said
he did and I did talk to City Engineering and they told us it’s a county issue. I am little bit confused
on why it’s flip-flopping both way. I understand it’s a county road and a city property possibility.
The biggest thing is this back entrance, Mr. Danch says that they want a portion of the traffic to
slip on our road we don’t want that portion of that traffic. Why would we want that? I can stand
in my street for half an hour at a time and don’t have one car. I don’t want all those people down
my neighborhood. If you want to go to Martin’s you go around the front. As far as emergency,
okay, there is a place by UP mall where they had the same issue where all the traffic was cutting
through the neighborhood they put a crash gate up. If you have an emergency they can snap the
lock drive through it whatever they have to do. They don’t need this entrance open all the time just
for everybody to cut through our neighborhood. That’s really all I have to say. Thank you for your
time.
Diana Kazmanski, 56921 Hollywood Blvd.- Good evening members of the South Bend Common
Council. I hope you’ve had an opportunity to review the package of information I provided to your
office. In addition to Martin’s petition to annex and rezone the property located at Western,
Mayflower, and Hollywood Blvd., I’d like to bring up for your consideration preventing Martin’s
from having an access off of Hollywood Blvd. Allowing Martin’s to have an access off of
Hollywood Blvd., would jeopardize the safety of the residents living in the area and cause major
traffic problems. As you can see from the diagram Martin’s plans to build a drive-thru service for
customers to purchase coffee. As we all know traffic the drive-thru can back up quickly. As a
result drivers will have to wait on Hollywood Blvd. before accessing Martin’s. The residents who
live directly behind Martin’s will have to witness and deal with traffic congestion all day. The
second traffic problem is at the intersection of Hollywood Blvd. and Western. Holy Family
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parishioners and parents use Hollywood Blvd. to access the back entrance into Holy Family
Church to attend services and drop off their children for school. Crossing over Western is already
difficult as it is. But with additional traffic turning on Hollywood Blvd., there will be an increase
in accidents at this intersection. The third traffic problem will be at the intersection of Hollywood
Blvd and Grant, everyone traveling east on Grant will use Hollywood Blvd. to access Martin’s.
This will jam traffic on Grant as drivers wait to turn on Hollywood Blvd. Martin’s representatives
have argued that traffic down Hollywood Blvd. will be minimal due to the entrances and exits off
of Mayflower, this is false. Since there is no left turn signal at the intersection of Mayflower and
Sample, traffic turning North on to Mayflower will begin to pile up, deterring drivers from using
Mayflower to access Martin’s and instead use Hollywood Blvd. Everyone says that these traffic
problems on Western and Hollywood and Grant and Hollywood Blvd. are INDOT issues. Let’s
please stop passing the buck and let’s prevent these traffic problems from being INDOT issues and
we can do that by closing access from Hollywood Blvd. into Martin’s. Hollywood Blvd. was not
designed to withstand a heavily volume of traffic, it’s a county road not a major thoroughfare. At
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the county council meeting on Sept 8 Councilwoman Diana Hess and Councilmen Robert
Kruszynski, Raphael Morton, Mark Catanzarite admonished Martin’s to take seriously the
concerns of the residents and do something to resolve these problems. Martin’s has not made any
concessions or offered any solutions to the safety and traffic problems. I speak only on my behalf,
since no resolutions have been offered I propose we make the access off of Hollywood Blvd. into
an emergency gate access. I’d also like to thank Councilman Oliver Davis for his assistance
regarding the concerns of our County residents.
Thomas Kowalski, 56680 Hollywood Blvd.- I speak on behalf of my Mom who has lived at 56680
Hollywood Blvd. since 1954. Our property is directly south, along the south border of the
Martin’s. My mom who is 92 would probably hit Bob Bartels with her cane she is so upset, that’s
a different story. My concern is the retention pond being one-hundred and (150) feet from our
well. Since we live in the county the surrounding homes have well water. The pollution off of the
overflow from the parking lot may in time pollute the wells. What kind of recourse will we have?
Secondly, she does not want the traffic from Hollywood Blvd. She doesn’t particularly like cars
going down the street. Nobody has mentioned the construction trucks. Are they going to use
Hollywood Blvd. to haul materials in and out or are they going to use Mayflower and Western,
which are built for heavier traffic? She is against it and I am against it.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White: We will now move to the rebuttal and ask the
petitioner to come before the council, questions regarding well water, runoff, and what impact it
may have, construction trucks, and whole issue of Hollywood Grant, Hollywood Blvd. and
Western Ave. and the back entrance and the gate and whether it could be gated to allow for trucks
to come in and out.
Robert Bartels (Petitioner) - First of all, a lot of things talking about traffic, we’ve got a traffic
study coming. I know that we will respond earnestly and in a forth right fashion to those things.
The other issue is a larger zoning issue piece. We’re going to become neighbors with folks who
don’t currently have us as neighbors. There is nothing like a track record to help explain some
things and we’ve heard concerns about light, concerns about traffic, trash, a whole variety of
things. First of all, we are taking a proactive approach to what we do. Spent an hour and half
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speaking with neighbor folks on August 26, we’ve met extensively with engineering and traffic
folks and have engaged a process that is thorough and as fact based we can possibly get it. Third
we do take all concerns as seriously as we can. It is very difficult to answer things in an abstract
way though. I am not sure what might happen if we try to focus on what has happened. Here are
a list of nine stores where we are in very close proximity to neighbors, to side roads, to residential
areas, as I look at a couple of things. As you can see our back parking lot is something in the
nature of twelve (12) to fifteen (15) feet from the houses within that square on that corner. This is
an area where you have heavy remonstrance. Martin’s Supermarket, we did the right things for
the right reasons, we took care of the trees, we took care of the shading, we took care of the sound
and we made a difference. Here is a neighborhood that is essentially surrounding our store and
has many of the same kinds of features that we are discussing here today. Where does traffic go
and how do we handle it? What do we do as corporate citizens you notice cars parked directly
next to a roof that is on the right. We talk to that neighbor frequently and we don’t have complaints.
Here’s our university store that goes on a residential street. They were concerned about us having
this access. We said no to truck traffic initially, we had the fence that you are asking about there.
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We have since left it open and possibly have removed it because it wasn’t a concern or an issue.
Here is an idea with a retention pond that is in the light blue, there is housing just to the north,
there is housing just to the Southwest and again that store has been there for a few years and we’ve
not had issues. Here’s a retention pond, directly across the street from a residential area, to the
right-hand side that is a fueling center that is just to the left of that blue area. Here is a residential
area that is right next to a store that had extensive light concerns. We use the appropriate
landscaping, we have the appropriate fencing, trash control and it’s a windy area. We deal with
our neighborhood well. This is our store in Warsaw where were actually required to put a back
entrance into a residential zone and had the opportunity to add an access into a resident zone. So
the residents could skip going on to more heavily traffics areas and get directly into our parking
lot. We have extensive experience in what we are doing. We are trying to do things in the right
way. We are also being attentive to concerns. That’s it.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - I want to be clear about this, I listened to all of the conversations,
the pros and cons. I think it’s awesome that someone is investing in the west end of town, I think
it’s awesome to see a store that has seen it’s better days expand in an area, that sorely needs to
grow, and appearance improvements the other side of this conversation about zoning has a lot to
do with the people who live in this area and being perhaps disrupted from your usually life and
look I agree. I have a small child and I don’t want to see any extra traffic on my street either.
Sometimes we can control those things to make sure it’s maintained and made as safe possible is
something that we can work really hard at and change. The question that is still out there and I
think I made this very clear about had everything to do with the tax issue.
I’m going take another minute to explain why I go at that point very hard. The tax issue is an issue
with equality. South Bend has a problem with equality. The City government does and as a result
most businesses in this area have an equality issue. People who are of color in senior management
positions, people that work in the stores that are of color, I am not just talking about black people;
I am talking about black and brown people. When I get into those conversations and how we work
towards a more equitable South Bend, those numbers and that reality does not exist. So, when we
get into the conversation about the tax abatement the tax abatement will ask who is apart and
whoever is using the tax abatement whether they will have X-amount of minorities is going to ask
a number of questions and usually those questions are somewhat answered at best. At the end of
the day that tax abatement is usually given. Because they able were able to answer other questions
that made up the amount points that they needed to get the five (5) year, eight (8) year, ten (10)
year abatement.
My issue and I will continue to stand until I can see some difference in the attitudes in the City. If
I can support your store in the way of my dollars, I should be able to see myself in that store as a
working partner or/and/as a City government with taxes. But when I get into that conversation I
don’t want to get stuck at the zoning and annexation issue because there is a large issue there. I
want to continue to voice my concerns as it relates to those issues. We just can’t keep looking at
these things as it relates to its own standalone issue and then move on. As we continue the divide
between people of color and non-color continues to grow and then when we get into conversations
about the wealth gap and we get in to conversations about how we can close that gap or how we
can’t close that gap. It’s within our police force, it’s within our South Bend Fire Department, it’s
within the other departments of the City, it is within the many of the businesses in the City. I can’t
as a city councilman being elected from a district of color, predominantly color continue to watch
the people that I represent go unemployed or under employed because no one wants to ask that
hard question. I am not ashamed of it, I’m not scared of it, but what South Bend has to do, what
South Bend needs to do if it’s interested in growing we all have to be at the table together we and
all have to be included. So when I asked the question about the tax abatement, if you are seeking
one fine great. How do we work towards a better day? How do we get more people from the
neighborhood included in on working at the store? Whether it’s the construction part or whether
it’s the nine to five part. I don’t know how to get that done but it’s a question that needs to be
asked. If I’m spending my money there that questions needs to be asked. If you are offering the
store to everybody in the neighborhood to come shop there that question should be the first
question asked. Yes, it’s going to be a nice pretty shiny store. I enjoy the Panini and get me a few
of them when I can. I get that that’s great but the issue that’s before me right now has always been
the unemployment numbers in this city and how does that turn into crime and we have our fair
share of it. Until I can get some resolve from whomever for anything from this City about how
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we have better practices as it relates to our racial disparities I cannot continue to give my support
to. Henry cannot do that. For the district too.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic- I can tell you from personal experience that Mr. Bartels’ father was
more concerned about minority hiring and hiring the handicapped than any person in South Bend.
I can also tell you that their store will pay millions of dollars in taxes. His stores in South Bend,
Mishawaka, in Southern Michigan, in Elkhart, and all over the community. So I applaud him on
his efforts. As Mark Neal said they are great City partners. You can count on them and I think
we should continue to support them.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- I can have someone from Martin’s come up? Can you clarify one
issue for me and that is with the gate. I heard there was a gate at one of your other stores. Is there
any reason why that option can’t be utilized? And if it works it works and if doesn’t work you can
open it up similar to how you did over at University or whatever that store was. Is there any reason
that the two can’t be similar?
Robert Bartels- I don’t object to the idea. But I do not want to be here negotiating specific things
without a traffic study and having data in front of us.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- I’m cool with that.
Robert Bartels- I think first it’s step one and then its step two. I don’t want to get into a design
discussion on the specifics. I don’t know how to respond to that best. If the City wants a crash
gate there and asks us for a crash gate there we will certainly consider it. I might also then; I’m
going to lose my temper. I think we’re in the details of something we don’t fully have information
about. When we do we will respond to it.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- We’ve talked on the phone and I’ve been over to your office. You
have to understand where we are at. As a business person I respect what you’ve done and your
father and everything else. Also, as a government leader I get asked these questions okay? I’m
not in your shoes and you’re not in mine. I don’t want to lose my temper on people when they call
me either. When people ask me and they send me letters they have a right for me to ask this
question to you. Because that’s not good quality service you understand that of all people. If I go
off on the people when they send me a letter and then I get mad at them and lose my temper
because sent me packages, packages, and packages like my dear friend has done, I have to ask her
question. So, I am just telling you, I being very straight with because you said that. I am taking
the time here because this is my district. When I drive down there I have been stopped by many
people when I wash my car I’m being stopped for the last three (3) months on the issue. I have to
have these answers. I’m all supportive of what you’re doing but I have to live with my people.
You work there but I live there. That’s what I’m saying I’m very glad that you, we both don’t
know the traffic study but I just want to make it clear that when the traffic study comes that it’s on
the table that you would be willing to do like you’ve done in other places. That’s all I’m asking.
There is no need for both of us to lose our temper on that.
Robert Bartels- Putting the gate up is certainly on the table. Maybe we make a commitment to
talking about this in six (6) months after the store is open. I am more interested in responding to a
problem that really exists. If the problem doesn’t really exist then why pretend like it exists. If
there is a problem with that gate six (6) months after we can pick a date and have all the folks that
showed at the first meeting, invite widely, I am into customer service and we are on the same team.
I want the best customer service. I want the safest customer experience. I want the right kind of
thing happening in the neighborhood. If something bad is happening we are more than committed
to responding to it. That’s the picture I was trying to show you before. So perhaps, we can give it
an opportunity to breathe a little and let a little of the emotional component, a little of the feelings
come off this issue and then reengage it. I am fully willing to do that, in fact, I’d be a fool not to.
We stand for doing the right things for the right reasons every time we can. So perhaps that type
of commitment is welcomed.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- I appreciate that. You and I have been at area plan together and all
the sudden the neighbors came they filled this room up with area plan. We’ve been at this for a
while so I just appreciate it. I just wanted everybody in the neighborhood to know that you have
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that commitment, I have that commitment, they have that commitment, and now we can move
together as a team. Now we can eat at your place. Thank you.
Committee of Whole Chairperson White- We would like thank everyone councilmembers, public,
presenters, petitioner for your input, and for addressing questions that pertain to this very important
project in our community. I do know that Martin’s are good partners; I had the opportunity to
work with them when IU housing first was opening up. We are able to work with three entities:
The State, Mishawka, South Bend and IUSB to bring about change. In terms at looking at what
would be best not only for Martin’s but also for the students we served. I am very confident as we
move forward that we will be able to do the same for this wonderful site. I would like to thank
Martin’s for your commitment and your investment in our city. I look forward to the grand
opening.
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion send Bill 34-15 to the full council with a favorable
recommendation and set the third reading for October 12. Councilmember Dr. Ferlic seconded the
motion which carried by a voice vote of six (6) ayes and one (1) nay Councilmember Henry Davis
Jr.
44-15 SECOND READING OF THE BILL FOR TRANSPO BUDGET
Councilmember White Chairperson, Personnel and Finance Committee, reported that they met
this afternoon on this bill and due to a lack of quorum there is no recommendation.
David Cangany General Manager of Transpo (Presenter) - I’m going to go over our 2016 annual
budget. This is probably the fourth year that we’ve come before the Common Council based on
a change in Indiana Code that requires us to come before one of our governing authorities as
opposed to our board of directors as we are a municipal corporation receiving tax dollars to
operate our system. The 2016 budget at a glance is just shy of 11 million dollars. The 2016
budget is balanced, that is always great news to start out the year on a level playing field. The
most important thing is that we are maintaining the service level from 2015 and our passengers
will see no decrease in service.
When you look at our expenses, almost ninety percent (90%) of our expenses are (inaudible)
through contracts especially on the wage side. With our bargaining unit workforce about
seventy-two (72%) of that is tied up in wages and benefits. That is through a three (3) year
agreement we have the Amalgamated Transit Union Local #996. We do have a little bit of an
increase planned for our operating expenses this coming year but again we are making it happen.
The labor expenses are going up slightly. We just finally reached an agreement with our
bargaining unit workforce on an expired contact we had. We are excited to have that resolution
so we can then plan for the coming years; the next three (3) years are locked in the contract with
our union. Dental and health insurance are the same kind of thing we keep talking about year
after year we come before you, we’re working with our workforce to look at options. This
contract that we just went through with our employees we negotiated and we’ll hopefully see
some leveling off on our health insurance.
Unfortunately, with the healthcare reform we’ve seen quite a bit of increase over the last few
years in regards to health insurance. Fuel, this is one area where we are going to see a decrease
for the 2016 calendar year to the tune of almost for $400, 000 by converting our fleet from
tradition diesel to compressed natural gas. To date Transpo has taken delivery of sixteen (16)
brand new buses. They are out in service and it’s great to be paying one (1) dollar per gallon
versus the almost three (3) dollars a gallon we had been paying in the past for fuel. When you
look at our revenue, we are very limited in where we can kind of pull money in from. We have a
lot of different areas but we’re limited in how we can leverage those areas. One of the areas that
we’ve been increasing revenue in and really something that we do not want to do but is
something we have to do in order to keep our service running is by taking Federal Operating
Assistance, so essentially dollars we’d be using to make capital improvements such as buy new
vehicles, buses, and things like that, we’ve been converting those over to operate the system on.
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This is something that has become popular among transit agencies as we’ve since seen declining
state and local revenue sources. It is something that we continue to do to keep the band aid on so
we don’t have to raise fares. When you operate a system that is mainly used most transit
deficient individuals keeping the fare low is one of the most important things. We anticipate a
slight uptick in revenue and that’s from a change we made in our fare structure. The normal cash
fare to ride a bus is one (1) dollar and that remains the same as it has for several years. There will
be no increase in our fare.
Property taxes is where we receive quite a bit of our operating revenue as well. We are showing
just a slight increase in that area. State operating assistance is an area we’ve taken quite a
significant hit in over the last couple of years. Actually Transpo’s taken over a one (1) million
dollar hit in the dollars we receive from the state of Indiana through the public mass transit fund.
This is the first year in quite some time that we will see an increase. It is small about $36,000
but anything helps. Our hard efforts of lobbying down in Indianapolis are starting to pay off.
This is our federal operating assistance the last couple of years in order to maintain service we’ve
been converting over capital dollars as I mentioned. We are pretty much maxed out on federal
operating assistance of the 2016 fiscal year. It leaves a lot of question about what will ultimately
happen in 2017. Some of our challenges this year and in the year ahead is to continue to purchase
revenue service vehicles or new buses. We operate one of the old fleets of vehicles in the state
of Indiana, which means it cost a lot of money to operate those vehicles.
We are running a bus that has an average useful life of twelve (12) years but when it’s fifteen
(15) years old it becomes very costly to maintain that vehicle. We are going to continue to learn
how to weather the storm of uncertainty of our federal funding program. As the Congress keeps
extending it through continuous resolutions instead of finding some sort of definitive answer to
that. The same with the state. The folks in the legislature and the Governor’s Office understand
the importance of funding public transportation. We’re working very hard to control our
expenses and be good stewards of the tax payer dollars. We are also continuing to develop a plan
to weather the storm of uncertainty, for the 2017 property tax cap is very close to us. In 2016 we
will continue to work toward our designated stop program. It has taken a little longer than we
had hoped for but we are getting a lot of great things out of the way as well. We are continuing
to work and expand our opportunities with local universities and educational organizations. One
of the things we are doing is we are looking to Ivy Tech for workforce development. We have a
very aging workforce as well. Forty percent (40%) of our workforce is eligible to retire within
the next four (4) years. It makes it very hard to replace employees that have been with your
organization for twenty (20), thirty (30), even forty (40) years. It’s tough to get folks who even
want to come and do a really thankless job of driving a bus and getting our folks in our
community where they need to go. Then as I mentioned our aging bus fleet. We just signed a
five (5) agreement with a manufacturer to buy buses from. Our board just approved that five (5)
year agreement as well as the purchase of up to six (6) new buses this year. We’re continuing to
work hard on maintaining our aging fleet but replacing that aging fleet. The hardest issue is
coming up with that local match. We’re taxed on the dollars that we have to spend. We are
required to come with a twenty percent (20%) local match to purchase any new vehicles or any
capital we might have. We are working creatively to make that happen through competitive
grants and other things. That is the Transpo budget for 2016.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White – Asks for questions from the council.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic- So fifty percent (50%) of your money comes from either the state or
federal funds basically? That’s a tough nut to crack if the state cuts back and fed cuts back.
Right?
Presenter- Correct.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic- Think people have to realize that. You’re subsidizing fifty percent
(50%) so that’s a tough problem.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Is that a typical or standard number across transit agencies across
the country? Are we higher or are we right in the middle when it comes to being at fifty percent
(50%)?
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Presenter- Actually most transit agencies see more local involvement whether that’s on the city
or county level. That’s something that Transpo’s going to have to start looking at is leveraging
those relationships if you will into finding new ways to find funding to show that our community
is truly invested in public transit. It is not just a federal or state responsibility. In Indianapolis
that is a huge thing that we always have to defend is that there is local interest in funding public
transit.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- What do you mean that most places have local and community
support versus what we have at Transpo?
Presenter- It’s a direct disbursement from the City or County General Fund or whether it’s a
sales tax. We are very limited in the State of Indiana unfortunately with how we can collect our
taxes to fund transit agencies. Right now we couldn’t go to the ballot with an initiative to add a
penny to the sales tax, that’s something that is very popular in other communities. The legislature
just allows Indianapolis or the central Indiana region to do it. They are going to the ballot with it
2016. So that is one of the things that at the state level is how do we bring that throughout the
entire state and getting folks to understand the real benefit of transit. It’s not just getting folks
from point A to point B. It’s when you go and get that cup of coffee in the morning how did that
person get there? Or when you look at the components on a vehicle where are they made? Most
of the components on a transit bus come from our state. It’s helping folks to understand that and
getting them to understand that by making that investment it pays off as well.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Can you send to this Council a list of all the cities who have
transit, in the State of Indiana, that are getting funds from their city and/or county? Could you
briefly explain where we are at with regards to our fees in terms of other cities, especially cities
our size. In term of our rates, what is our current rate and where does that stand in terms of fees?
Presenter- We’re one (1) dollar per ride. We are one of the lowest in the state. The only city that
is lower than us is Muncie and they're at $0.75. Everybody else is at least a dollar or more.
Indianapolis is at $1.75 cash fare, Lafayette is significantly higher, and Evansville is even much
higher. We are still a great bargain for our passengers. By introducing a day pass you can ride
the entire Transpo system by throughout the entire day for three dollars. That is something new
we introduced this year. We are seeing our passengers are getting a really good value with that.
The pass is actually being used around 4.6 times for each pass. It just shows that folks are
actually saving money by buying that pass, that getting rid of the transfers was actually a good
thing for our passengers.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Can you send us that list too to see what other municipalities are
helping locally.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- We will now move into the Public Hearing portion.
This being the time heretofore set for the Public Hearing on the above bill, proponents and
opponents were given an opportunity to be heard.
There being no one present wishing to speak to the Council in favor of or opposition to this bill,
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to continue Bill 44-15 in the Council portion only
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on October 12 and schedule a 3 reading that the same day. Councilmember Dr. Ferlic
seconded the motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
Councilmember White requested a motion for the purpose of public hearing of Bills 41-15, 42-
15, 43-15 to all be heard together. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic made the motion.
Councilmember Tim Scott seconded the motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
41-15 PUBLIC HEARING ON A BILL OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA, AMENDING CHAPTER 16,
SECTIONS 16-6 AND 16-8 OF THE SOUTH BEND MUNICIPAL CODE
TO ADJUST FEES FOR CITY COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL OF
REFUSE (SOLID WASTE) MATERIALS
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42-15 PUBLIC HEARING ON A BILL OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA, AMENDING CHAPTER 16,
SECTIONS 16-6 AND 16-8 OF THE SOUTH BEND MUNICIPAL CODE
TO ADJUST FEES FOR CITY COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL OF
REFUSE (SOLID WASTE) MATERIALS
43-15 PUBLIC HEARING ON A BILL OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA, AMENDING CHAPTER 16,
SECTIONS 16-6 AND 16-8 OF THE SOUTH BEND MUNICIPAL CODE
TO ADJUST FEES FOR CITY COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL OF
REFUSE (SOLID WASTE) MATERIALS
Councilmember White Chairperson, Personnel and Finance Committee, reported that they met
this afternoon on Bills 41-15, 42-15, and 43-15 and due to a lack of quorum there is no
recommendation.
Mayor Pete Buttigieg; Offices on the 14th Floor (Presenter) - I will be brief before turning it over
to John Murphy and my other colleagues. I want to begin this with a big thank you to
Chairperson White of the committee, the council members, and council leadership, and
everybody that has had a hand in bringing the budget together. I brought a copy because I think
it’s important for the public to have a feel for just how much information, much data, and how
much work is involved in the budget that our administration is presenting tonight. Tonight’s
hearing is the next step in a process that has included nine (9) public meetings with council
members as well as three (3) public presentations to communicate the budget strategy and its
contents. I want to thank the members of our department that have worked to provide a deeper
and fuller information requested to shed light on many details that council members have
expressed interest in. That process is continuing. We responded to approximately two-hundred
(200) questions so far and forwarded three-hundred and seventy-six (376) pages of information
last time I checked. I know this reflects both councilmembers doing their due diligence on needs
to understand what we’re proposing be voted on as well as relaying questions for concerned and
interested members of the public and so we continue to work to gather any information needed
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for the vote that is scheduled for the 12 of October.
Today’s budget is trying to balance the needs and resources of the community while keeping
South Bend’s fiscal strength intact. The focus is to continue South Bend’s extraordinary come
back in economic and civil terms, while making sure the benefits of this growth are felt by every
family and every neighborhood in the city. That was exceptionally challenging this year because
property tax revenue has not substantially increased. For that reason I instructed every
department supported by property income taxes to prepare a budget with as close to zero percent
(0%) net growth as possible. They were able to do this while offering a two percent (2%) raise
and absorbing a twenty percent (20%) increase in health care costs without major cuts to
personnel which is a credit to those efforts.
Much of what you are going to see in the budget today is reflecting on the need to continue
delivering on what has worked in recent years. You will see changes in order to build out areas
we believe we need to build more inclusion, innovation, and sustainability. I just want to say a
brief statement about that before sending it over for full presentation.
When it comes to inclusion I want to emphasize that this budget contains a strategy for
addressing an issue that has been on everybody’s mind recently that is diversity and inclusion in
our workforces and City operations. The workforce made gains and we may be ahead of some of
our neighbors but we are still a long way to go before we are able to say our workforce reflects
the community it serves. So that’s the reason that we seek in this budget to create the position of
a diversity and inclusion officer. Having taken onboard input from the Council we are asking
that this be installed as a direct report to the Mayor’s Office in order to make sure it has City-
wide visibility and authority.
There are two (2) pillars to the strategy that will be overseen by this office. One is vendors, this
is taking up the work that previously had been done by the compliance officer and would
continue to be guided by the utilization board and employees. Where we can continue to grow in
hiring and recruiting upper management practices, I would expect the incumbent in this position
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to spend the bulk of his or her time on public safety, given the heightened interest in the public
and on the Council in making sure that our next generation of public safety officers are as
diverse and reflective of the community as possible. This will also be a strategic advisor for the
administration and will be asked to engage in professional service as necessary. I also want to
draw attention to the creation of an HR position with a focus on public safety. This position
while it is about more than diversity certainly it is our expectation that it is going create
processes that better establish and document the merit basis or promotion and personnel
decisions in the Police and Fire Departments, which we believe will help to ensure and
demonstrate the basis for those decisions.
Expanding opportunity is also a reason we are asking that Municipal IDs be included in this
budget. I just want to be clear about where we are in the process. We believe that every resident
will be better off if it is possible to be a card carrying resident of South Bend. We are still
designing the details of the program. We are encountering a lot of aspects of this program that
need to be thought through. We are sufficiently committed to the process and the concept that we
are budgeting for now. In other words it’s necessary to have those funds in the budget in order
to be able to roll out the process when the time comes. It’s budgeted for conservatively as you’ll
see in the presentation. And we think it’s going to be the right thing to do. I probably should just
restate that for a number of people who are here specifically on that issue. (In audible spoken in
Spanish) This is not a vote on the ID cards this would lead when the budget is acted on to having
the resources to do it when the time comes. I know there are a lot of people here interested in
that. Overall as was stated when I first came before Council earlier this year to discuss the
budget the single biggest category of expense is public safety, followed by economic
development. Including continuing to plan for vibrant neighborhoods, with investment in vacant
properties, Light Up South Bend and Curbs and Sidewalks. Also, trying to increase our ability to
connect residents to the economic opportunities that are taking place including increasing labor
force participation. I also want to reemphasize what we are trying to do with compensation.
Raising the minimum wage for our City employees to $10.10 over the next three (3) years and
using efficiency gains increase and at the same time having an across the board increase in the
salary maximum for non-bargaining positions. We are continuing to invest in quality of life in
our parks and we’re trying to be more efficient through innovation which is why we’ll continue
robust funding for innovation and technology. Last but not least I do want to emphasize our
determination to sustain South Bend’s superior AA credit rating. That happens as a result of the
tough decisions that this Council and the previous Administration have made. We are continuing
to make the choices that we believe put us on a sustainable path through the long run. I will leave
to John and colleagues to offer the detail presentation. Before I step away from the Chamber I
wanted to see if there are any questions about the strategy or philosophy of the budget that is on
the councilmembers’ minds at this time before proceeding.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson- I will go straight down the roll Councilmember Henry
Davis Jr.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - Mayor so glad to see you today and I appreciate your presence
today at this meeting. I have been paying attention and I have been at all but one (1) budget
hearing. I was in the back earlier asking some of my colleagues about their feelings about the
budget process. I have come to understand, just for me, that it has been a very difficult
realization for the lack of vision that has been put forth as to the reason or the requests of many
departments. I was reluctant to hear the vision to why each department was asking for X-amount
of dollars for the next year. In conclusion to what my colleagues and I were talking about it just
sounds like that it’s going to be the same thing that happened last year that will occur this year,
so business as usual. My question because you continue to talk about diversity each year the
numbers in diversity have fallen as a total City workforce, year one (1), year two (2), and year
three (3) as well. If we’re going to be looking to create a fund or create a position as it relates to
diversity will you allow the Council when it comes to the decision to be a part of the process
when it comes to choosing who that person is? I ask that because you’re numbers have not
proven to match up to what you say you want to do. It is undeniable it’s in the numbers. I am
asking because we get the questions, I don’t particularly know if you get questions like we get
them. We tend to get pointed as the fault of the City and I find that to be unfair because we don’t
have it. Then people say we need a more diversified workforce, we need to see people that look
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like us that work in the City. But we don’t have the say so in who’s been hired and then we get
blamed for the people who are not being hired.
Mayor Buttigieg (Presenter) - I would say the separate roles of the legislative and executive point
to the executive, in this case the Mayor. Or lead by the Mayor or being responsible for personnel
decisions including hiring. That being said, I certainly welcome input, views, and any vision that
members of the Council would like to contribute. This is a very important issue. It’s one that
calls for input and views from throughout the community. There are few people better
positioned to offer that than members of the Council. That input is welcome. Though of course
the final decision with any hiring process rests within the executive branch.
Council Member Henry Davis Jr. - I understand that but we only have to approve the money so
that you can hire that person. I am asking for a shared interest in this, Sir. This is not meant to
be a sparring match but if we’re approving the money to support the hiring of these individuals
and we’re asking, I’m asking that we have a seat at the table so that we can get the best person or
the best people that work at the City level. There is no reason if you are not interested to
approve it we don’t get what we need out of it, for the residents of South Bend. The municipal
ID issue as well, I had a bill that was filed and obviously you are trying to not do a policy change
before municipal ID. I’ve seen it work in cities such as Richmond, Ca, where there was policy
change that was done and it went with an educational component. That allows everybody to
understand exactly what is going on because people have all these mixed views about
immigration, etc. Again, shared interest again we are asking because we are a bit confused on
the $18,000 in the program because we still don’t know and just said as well. In approving
$18,000 for a program that we know nothing about again, Sir, that is bit farfetched. As a matter
of fact, I know it is. In the interim I’m asking that we share in the planning of that for the
betterment of the citizens. Are you interested in that?
Mayor Buttigieg (Presenter)- I would absolutely welcome a proposal from you or any other
member as to what details you would like to see included as we make our decision about how to
design the program. What we are asking for here is funding the program and making sure that
the resources are there when the time comes to implement it. There are different models of how
to do a municipal ID program, some call for an ordinance some do not. I think that regardless of
what version is going to take place here more Council input can be expected whenever
appropriate. What we are really looking for here is to make sure, since this is our one (1) time of
the year when we do budgeting in regular order that the funds to do it are in place. The role of
the Council is to decide whether to allow that to be possible by funding it or not funding it. The
role of the administration will be design the policy input from any members of the public,
especially council members would be welcome anytime.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - My last question is this: Why haven’t we moved past tax base
expansion only to TIF districts? I am seeing an absorbent amount of attention being paid to TIF
districts I know the reality is because of the support of the TIF district to infrastructure
improvement etc. public or private partnerships but we are losing the battle when it relates to the
general revenue for the old part of the City or the City where a lot of the neighborhoods are at
that’s not in the TIF districts. Is there a plan in place because I didn’t necessarily see it in the
budget that is going to help introduce an expansive tax base within areas that are not in TIF
districts?
Mayor Buttigieg (Presenter) - The intention of our economic development is to expand
opportunity in every part of the City. Naturally you are going to be seeing more economic tools
being used in TIF districts because that’s where those tools are. That’s where we are able to
make contributions under the law using funds that are targeted for use in redevelopment areas. I
certainly don’t think that the only place we can make a difference is in those TIF districts. I
think you’ll see that both as you review this budget and as you look at the overall planning that
we are doing. That we are very often working in areas that are not in TIF districts. So, yes that
is always part of our plan.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - We are working in parts of the city not necessarily creating a
tax base or taxable land. Working at a cemetery that is not in the TIF district or right outside the
TIF district is not necessarily an expansion of the tax base. I get that, I am asking about taxable
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new development in old parts of the City or parts of the City that’s not in the TIF district.
Taxable land not our working or share interest with another non-profit that’s outside of the TIF
district. I am looking at being about to expand taxable land outside of the TIF district.
Mayor Buttigieg (Presenter)- The 300 million dollars in private investment that has come to the
city in deals that we’ve have been involved with since taking office has largely gone into that tax
base that we are concerned with. I haven’t seen a breakdown of how much that falls within the
borders of land that marked off in a TIF district. Obviously, you can expect that many of the
areas of greatest need are going to be in there that’s why they were in the TIF district in the first
place. There may be times when it’s appropriate to revisit the boundaries of the TIF district as
the Council has asked to do and did last year creating more opportunities. Particularly the TIF
districts that cover the majority of the Westside where you see so much of the increase in the
impact base associated with the investments of real personal and private and personal property
through the business deals that have taken place so far.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic- From the public safety aspect Mayor, we’ve been long time invested
in a minority recruitment officer and I know it always doesn’t correlate with the metrics that the
Ferguson, Missouri, versus Baltimore but it is just common sense that we need a more
diversified Police and Fire Department. What is the exact role you are going to have a minority
recruitment officer, correct or just public safety?
Mayor Buttigieg- The intention is to have a diversity and inclusion officer for the City of South
Bend. I think that it’s the case that the bulk of that individual’s time in the early life of that
position will go into Public Safety. I think as we’ve developed this concept it has become clear
that there has become a need for strategic support. That this needs to be somebody who is able
to report directly to the Mayor’s Office and to have purview over a strategy for the City.
Recognizing again that the bulk of where that cash is at is going to be in the Public Safety
departments. Then what you are going to see is that other position that HR position which is
situated in such a way that it is going to focus on public safety. We’ll also be able to be a
multiplier in our ability to do recruiting and retention and better process management. These
roles are different, one is strategic and focused on HR and process management in a way you can
see it adding up to a full-time equivalent or a little more than one (1) full-time person on public
safety with a view toward the diversity of our force.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic- Most cities that I have seen about our size or a little larger have two
or three people devoted to it. So do you think one full-time equivalent can handle the entire job
description?
Mayor Buttigieg- It’ll be one (1) more than we’ve had. We don’t think that that’s enough but
we’ll have to revisit that in next year’s budget. I do think it’ll represent serious progress and this
also is why we want to make sure there are funds available for professional services to augment
the ability of the in-house personnel and staff. The HR person working on that side of the
equation and then strategic leader working under my guidance to get the job done.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic- Secondly you asked for some philosophical questions about the
future. Cities are made great by the economics, schools and crime. Those are the three triad.
Have you thought of being involved in the schools at all as far as mayoral appointments? Is that
in the future because I am not sure the present system is working.
Mayor Buttigieg (Presenter) - I know that the debate comes up from time to time about the
structure of our school corporation. That probably a broader philosophical debate than I can
touch here at this point. What I should say is this will come up in the short term and medium
term, I believe the most positive meaningful way that a municipality can intervene in support in
education is in the pre-K gap. We have large number of students who are making it off the
Headstart waiting list. We know that is an area where we can make a difference in the lives of so
many children who are headed into that K-12 system. My view presently is that would be more
bang for our buck than attempting to change the political structure of the school board. Again I
think the City has a huge stake in success of the school corporation. It’s appropriate to revisit
that question from time to time.
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Councilmember Oliver Davis- Good evening Mayor. I appreciate the concept of having an
Affirmative Action person in the HR and in the Police Department but I have a great concern
about that. It kind of in my mind where we are in 2015 when you have a person who is
dedicated just for that purpose it frees the human resource person to not do their job.
A good human resource person looks at everybody. They look at African-Americans, Polish, and
Hungarian, everybody and they deal with that. I think our local school got into some issues.
When you have that one (1) single person out it can create backlash. It can be perceived as
reverse discrimination. A good thing can turn out to be a legally bad thing in 2015 legal law. I
agreed with having more people. I think we have to be careful in saying this is the affirmative
action person, they are responsible for getting Hispanics, African-Americans and then the human
resource is no longer responsible for doing that. University of Michigan had problems with that.
A lot of universities are getting sued and losing because of that same concept. So we don’t get
into more lawsuits, like when one of our schools had a field trip for all African-American
students. We really have to be careful when using public dollars just to target. What legal
counsel have you consulted before you implement this? To handle those on the far left or far
right. Partly, I thought the position Ms. Peate has was going to do that similar thing too. It really
didn’t stir the pot as I hoped it would because now we are here again. Nothing against her or her
colleague it just didn’t turn out the way I thought it would. What legal counsel have we had
before we put this into a budget? Then it’s off your hands and you can say that’s what the
Council voted. What is something we can have a legal recommendation from Cristal Brisco to
say she has worked with Lonnie Douglas our Human Rights Coordinator that you looked at other
cities, that you have the case law that will help us to present this to a very conservative public?
Mayor Buttigieg (Presenter) - I would not bring any recommendation to this council that our
administration and legal team, led by Cristal Brisco did not view as legally appropriate.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Can she give us a document to give our counsel i.e. a brief or
summary? Politically it’s great, I live on the Southwest, to say I am for municipal IDs I got my
Hispanic and African-American it sounds great but then I have to deal with the reality of the law.
The reality of the law and public dollars is not always a pretty thing. I haven’t seen enough
information for affirmative action positions or the municipal IDs from the legal department. I
want that before we vote on the budget. I don’t think $18,000 is enough and I don’t want to
pander to people and if we vote against this budget then it’s a vote against Hispanics. I don’t’
want to throw a carrot at people. I want to know the legal ramification of traffic stops, going to
the library, the water company, to get an apartment, if they go anywhere with a city ID I need to
know the legal ramifications based on state, federal law, and other city practices How does this
budget effect the Sample St. and Olive St. over pass monies? I know that is old money that came
from Ewing St. Gary Gilot came to Rum Village and told this money has been moved. Can you
give us a summary of how much of the old money is being used for that or if it is new money?
Mayor Buttigieg (Presenter)- When it comes to which dollars are in there and when they were
encumbered I don’t want to get out of my depth and ask John and Eric to speak to that. What I
will say is that have heard from you and others about urgency of getting something done there.
We are fortunate to be able to take advantage of some federal dollars but not without a sizeable
City match. I will flag that and hopefully it will be spoken to a little bit later.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- I have some other questions I will send to you.
Committee of the While Chairperson White – It is important to note we will be in committee
throughout the process. We will have ample opportunity for questions to be addressed to make
sure we have a clear understanding as we move forward.
John Murphy Controller (Presenter) - I want to thank our department heads and other fiscal
managers. (Presenter began a slideshow presentation) The budget consists of one-hundred and
three (103) funds. General Fund, Special Revenue Fund, Debt Service Capital Fund, Enterprise
Funds, Internal Service Funds ( i.e., health insurance, central services), Trust and Agency Funds,
Police and Fire Pension Funds, and Redevelopment Funds which are approved through a
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different budget process. May 28 was the budget kick off meeting. We are in our fourth (4)
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month, one (1) more month to go. July 31 Mayor Pete held in-depth meetings with each
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department that were one (1) to three (3) hours long. We had a number of public Personnel and
Finance Committee meetings and three (3) off-site meetings.
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We complied with out September 1 requirement to submit a draft budget to the County. We’ve
advertised our budget in the Gateway state system which is a legal requirement. Today is our
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public hearing on the budget, we are hoping for a budget adoption on October 12 with a backup
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date of October 26. November 6 is our deadline. Five (5) or Six (6) of our budgets through the
General Fund are approved through the state. They can change our budget but they haven’t done
that in ten (10) years. Revenue and expenditure summary, our total proposed budget for 2016 is
$304,956,659 it is a large budget. The General fund’s balance is at $53,852,368. That is an
important fund to balance every year and we have. As Mayor Pete mentioned, we’ve been
operating under that the property tax circuit breaker since 2009, you have seen the downward
slope which has been difficult to work with.
We are hoping for relatively modest increases in the next two (2) to three (3) years. There is also
an issue with property taxes in 2020 that we will have to deal with. A good question came up in
the public meeting, “Who pays property tax?” Residential forty-three percent (43%) Commercial
twenty-eight percent (28%) personal property tax fifteen percent (15%). Who receives property
taxes? Cities and towns receive twenty-eight percent (28%); St. Joseph County School Districts
receive twenty-six percent (26%); TIF districts receive twenty percent (20%); the County
receives fifteen percent (15%). Local income taxes our COIT, LOIT, Public Safety LOIT, from
2015-2016 it has been choppy based on state distribution the trend has been slightly up. We are
using these funds for operating more than we ever used to. As the general fund restricts we are
using more of these funds. Here is revenue across all lines: $274,871,262 property taxes,
twenty-six percent (26%); Charges for services at thirty-six percent (36%) waste water, water,
park charges fees, enterprise fund related, local income tax, nine percent (9%), other taxes are
five percent (5%) (gas tax, wheel taxes, hotel, motel, cigarette, etc.,). Expenditures by activity
general administration is six percent (6%), Economic Development is eighteen percent (18%),
Utilities is twenty-eight percent (28%), Public Safety is twenty-five percent (25%). We wanted
to bench mark, it is always good to know where your peers are at and this is based on the CAFR
(comprehensive annual financial report). General government expenses were fairly low
compared to Green Bay, WI at $75 per capita, the lowest is South Bend. That is considered an
overhead cost, you want to keep that generally low. Expenditures by fund type, Enterprise Funds
are the largest (water, waste water, etc.). Salaries and wages $79,915,000, that number is slightly
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less than 2014 by ($465,000), biggest factor being the 27 payroll of 2014. Fringe Benefits
increases cost at $29,000,000 or ten percent (10%). A summary from one year to the next, the
middle is the highest because we encumber from projects that are in progress. They roll over to
the subsequent year’s budget and those can be anywhere from $25-30 million dollars.
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You can’t finish every project by December 31. That’s why amended budget 2015 is so much
higher than the others. 1,100 budgeted full-time positions, four (4) more than 2015, five (5) new
pickers in the public works area. A net of four (4) positions. Head count by type police and fire
are each about a quarter of the total. We are proud of the Distinguished Budget Presentation by
the City Award, being one (1) of only two (2) cities in the state of Indiana to receive such an
award. We have an excellent AA bond rating. The state of Indiana has a AAA; we have the same
bond rating as the city of Indianapolis. This is unemployment from 2011 from twelve percent
(12%) down to about six percent (6%) based on national trends but also the hard work of our
Community Investment Department.
Private investment is significantly up through July 2015, already surpassing the other years
2012-2014. The overall city budget is $305,000,000, General Fund budget of $53,000,000
(balanced). We ask for favorable consideration of our 2016 budget. There are a number of
appendage items, we emailed them to you, and we want to make sure you are aware of that. We
have a budget recap, a summary of the data by type and activity, we also have the budgets for
each fund, we also have a trend from 2008-2016 on revenue and expenditures. There’s a lot of
really detailed stuff I kind of like that so maybe you’ll like that as well. With that I’d like to
open it up for questions.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- I’d like to start down the roll.
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Councilmember Oliver Davis- Do you have an answer to that question I asked regarding Sample
St. and Olive?
John Murphy, Controller (Presenter) - I think it is budgeted in Major Moves. Major Moves is a
City fund. There has been some money in 2015-2016 for that.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Do you know how much that is costing?
John Murphy, Controller (Presenter) - I don’t remember I will have to get back to you on that.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Can you send that to me in an email? Can you send me some
details? Is that funding coming from the Ewing Project? I was told there was money coming
from the Ewing fund that would match up with County funds because the County didn’t have
enough money to do it. The City doesn’t do bridges, we’re going to do a joint thing. I want to see
if this is money that the City put up years ago. This was money from my predecessor and it has
been almost a decade since these monies have been held to the people there.
Eric Horvath, Director of Public Works - We are going through the bid process. I will send you
an email with an update, what we’ve spent to date and what our estimates are right now for
Olive-Sample for the portion that is the two-bridge structures and the two approaches. We are
doing some additional work on Olive with some other federal funds. For the three (3) designation
numbers for the Jasnowski Overpass I will give you an update. Those monies were budgeted in
2014. It’s an eighty (80) – twenty (20) dollar local match that is split between the City and
County. The money wasn’t moved from Ewing, the Ewing project was cancelled out of the
federal system, that did make monies available in the MACOG allocation but it doesn’t
necessarily make it move directly to another City project. It goes into a pot that everyone applies
for.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- It was told to us at a Rum Village meeting that the money would
move to that project. Your predecessor actually outed those words that we would be moving the
money to that project. That’s why I used that terminology, that’s the way the people look at it. I
understand the legalities. We voted on this in 2014 and a certain portion of the work was
supposed to be done in 2014, 2015. Is this a part of the 2016 budget at all? Or just in the current
and previous budget?
Eric Horvath (Public Works) - We do not currently have anything in the 2016 budget, except
Olive from Sample to Tucker. The approach work to the bridge, right by the tracks on the South
side. We have $118,000 for local match for federal dollars.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- The piece of the 2016 budget is about $118,000 and the rest those
monies for the Sample St. Bridge is monies we are already voted on the 2014 and 2015 years?
Eric Horvath (Public Works) - What I will get is an estimate on the funds necessary to complete
the project for our portion of the share. We won’t know until we go through the bidding process/
the state process because it’s a federal aid project, then they will come to the City and County
with the amount necessary.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Will there still be monies available to do sidewalk repairs in 2016
or is that a one (1) time deal, where councilmembers themselves can designate like we did
before?
Eric Horvath (Public Works) - Yes. It is less money than 2015. That was a council allocation
program. I think it was around 500 ft. of sidewalk.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- That was in addition to what you were planning to do? We can
start submitting once the budget is approved?
Eric Horvath (Public Works) - We are just going to send out some forms that make it easier.
Then we can figure out the allocations and any recommendations we have with that.
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Councilmember Oliver Davis- This year they were still saying call your councilmen, about the
sidewalk after the allocation had already finished. I had to explain to the people that our
allocation was already pre-established. It created a little issue. Can that be dealt with? When our
allocations are done it becomes the role of the executive branch as it was in the first place. How
can that be clarified this year so that it doesn’t happen the same way next year.
Eric Horvath (Public Works)- I am not sure I fully understand the question.
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Councilmember Davis- In the Sixth (6) District I submitted for Prairie Apartments. However,
we called about the City sidewalk program they were not being told about the City sidewalk
program they were being told to call their councilmember because the councilmember allocates
money for their district. So I was wondering how they were calling me when they already knew
we had allocated our monies. Especially during election season it became a political nightmare.
In the future how can we clarify that we already allocated our sidewalks so the people don’t get
confused and call their councilperson.
Eric Horvath (Public Works) - I apologize, that shouldn’t happen. We had a deadline and after
those deadlines that program is going to be closed for the year. The reimbursement is open and is
still open. Time is running short on that, obviously the weather. That program worked very well.
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There is an application in our office on the 13 floor.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic- Slide ten (10) you stated, “Who sees property taxes is city, town,
school, TIFF, and county library etc.,” TIF gets $71 million, cities and towns get $104 Million
does that mean the TIF’s get a disproportionate amount of the property taxes? We are forty
percent (40%) TIF in South Bend, forty percent (40%) TIF in Mishawaka, right?
John Murphy (Controller) - I’m not sure about Mishawaka. These are the numbers for St. Joseph
County as a whole, all the unit so you can evaluate that as you see.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic- It looks like it gets a disproportionate amount. Follow-up with it. It’s
kind of an interesting phenomenon.
John Murphy (Controller) - It is on the Indiana Gateway public access portal so I would
encourage any citizen to go on there and take a look. There is a just a ton of budget information.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic- Slide sixteen (16) you had budget expenditures by type and you had
payment in lieu of taxes $5.7 Million at two percent (2%). What is that?
John Murphy (Controller) - That is payments for our utilities to ourselves. It’s not the other type
of payment in lieu of taxes you may be familiar with as far as a non-profit.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic- Is the Mayor still here?
John Murphy (Controller) - He’s upstairs.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic- There is an interesting phenomenon. The Governor of Maine has
proposed non-profit pay fifty percent (50%) of their assessed value of their property. Payment in
lieu of taxes, kind of interesting.
Councilmember Schey- You provided a projected property tax revenue with a spike in 2019 and
then it goes back down again, why?
John Murphy- This is a projection we had a consultant do for us. With property taxes you have
Levy-Rolls quotient it’s supposed to provide a cost of living increase each year, it will occur in
the next three (3) to four (4) years. This is based off of assumptions they made based on tax
raises, other municipalities in the area, net assessed value and so forth. They will benefit from
Levy growth quotient increases in the next couple years. We would be happy with that part of the
chart.
Councilmember Schey- These are just estimates and obviously the future is always an estimate.
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John Murphy Controller- It’s an estimate and we try to be very conservative with our estimates
with our estimating of property taxes. My view is until you have it in the bank you do not have
it.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic- Don’t the special exemptions we and Lake County have expire?
John Murphy (Controller) - They are expiring in 2020.
Councilmember Ferlic- That’s the reason you have the decrease right there. We’re going to get
hammered at that time.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - Public Works Director Eric, you talked about two (2) or three
(3) projects that you got federal funding for. Can you talk about dollar amounts?
Eric Horvath (Public Works) - I can send you that. I don’t know them off the top of my head.
The money for Olive Street is essentially SR 23 N so it ties into this project that we’re doing
already. That was a $118,000 for the local match. I will send you the federal dollars on all of
that. Boland Trails Run, Bendix Drive, federal dollars for Safe Route to School includes:
Lincoln, Pearly, Coquillard, and Harrison schools. We have a number of projects that do have
federal dollars involved.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - It sounds extensive and it sound good. I appreciate your work
in locating those dollars to help improve our infrastructure. My question is because they are
federal dollars they come with federal mandates for who works on the projects. Who will be
enforcing those laws? Making sure that federal law itself is being applied to those dollars. So,
that people here locally are getting those jobs. This is one of our solutions to crime in the City of
South Bend. It may not be a silver bullet but it may help people unemployed looking for work.
Eric Horvath (Public Works) - Those federal aid projects and all the ones that I mentioned are all
through the Department of Transportation. They will actually be bid through the Department of
Transportation. The plan and specs are developed, and then bids will be accepted and the state
will run the project. Included in those plans and specs will be requirements for days vacant, wage
rates, I don’t know of any local requirements, there are buy American requirements, there are
other requirements.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - My issues are always census tract data that applies to federal
grants or federal dollars. In those census tracts, guidelines for people who are under the poverty
rate or the household median income or whatever the guidelines are and you’re getting those
people to work on those specific projects. There are training dollar components along with those
projects. I am looking for the fullness of those projects to be unveiled for the citizens of South
Bend. Not that we are just doing it and we’re done with it. The training component is a hell of
a way to start getting people employable. The other dollars go toward a percentage of the
community, race and sex being applied to as well to make sure people are getting an opportunity
to work. I said something about the project at Martin’s. I mean no harm about this I am looking
at the numbers for the City of South Bend. At who is employed and who employed and who’s
employed at what dollar amount. It becomes more and more apparent that people of color
minority classification have not been able to get jobs that are mortgage paying jobs and sustain
them as well. As it relates to City contract and working for the City as well. Here is a prime
example and opportunity to make sure those things are being applied for the betterment of the
City. I don’t think the request is too much to ask for, it’s by law, and I would love to see them
happen. Crime is up because there are a lot of people who are not working. The drug trade is
high because people find more work in selling drugs then working for a dollar that is more
honest.
And please Sir, along with the training dollars. I think Murray Miller has been very good at
trying to bring folks into the trade. I am not sure is that is a cooperative program between the
City and labor union. But I think there is a fair opportunity and a fair chance to make that thing
happen.
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Eric Horvath (Public Works) - There may be other training federal dollars that we have access to
in different departments. In terms of these infrastructure projects there will be a percent goal for
MBE, WBE participation on all projects. There will be a requirement that they have to meet,
they make a good faith effort to reach that goal. That is pretty specifically defined in the
specifications. Those numbers are based on disparities studies that the state does. Those
requirements will be in all these federal projects.
Councilmember Henry Davis- I am he said disparities study. When we started the budget process
I asked how the City got into a conversation about putting together a disparity study. Apparently
the state has one. I have asked for that disparity, given the numbers, crime, unemployment rate,
homelessness, etc., how do we do the job for citizens if we don’t know where our baseline is at?
Has that been a part of the discussion within the ranks of the Administration? Getting a disparity
study or paying for one?
John Murphy (Controller)- I haven’t been a part of that, no.
Councilmember Henry Davis- it’ll behoove us to not to have that conversation. I am going to
continue to go back at that and drive that point home. People may be wanting to believe we are
getting better but the problem is we may or could be getting better, we don’t know exactly where
we are at. Since we do know where we are at. How do we know where we are going? We had a
long discussion about a new diversity officer, the job the person is supposed to be doing. How
does that person know where to step off at? I am going to ask that your department talk about
funding a disparity study for the City of South Bend. You went into the macro approach of the
budget and I want to go into some micro stuff real quick. The gang violence invention group how
much does that particular program receive from the city?
John Murphy (Controller) - I don’t think it’s very much funding. I think it’s mostly non-City
funds that fund that.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - Still how much are they receiving?
John Murphy (Controller) - I don’t know. I will get back to you on that.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - What I want to do is match that up to a program that we talked
about last week. I don’t know if you were around. Mademen at the King Center. They were
using that as one their key performance indicator of the year. I just want to match those two (2)
things up really quick. I want to talk about preventative issue as well as how do we react. If we
are going to have things in place that are going to stop the growth of the violence and nefarious
activities within our communities and neighborhoods.
John Murphy- Phil Sinclair updated the Council on the Mademen program last week.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- We will now move into the Public Hearing portion.
We would like to say that today this meeting is very unusual. We have so many budget related
issues we had to get through. Normally we are not here this late but sometime we are.
This being the time heretofore set for the Public Hearing on the above bill, proponents and
opponents were given an opportunity to be heard.
In favor:
Jason Banicki-Critchlow 3822 W. Ford St.- In addressing one of the issues that was raised by
you gentlemen earlier tonight particularly Henry and Oliver. In terms of the diversity inclusion
officer. Just to make you guys aware in 2012 the New Haven Fire Department lost a 2.5 million
dollar reserve discrimination lawsuit to a hand full of white fire fighters who were passed over
for promotions because of the way test results were handled. In terms of making sure they were
promoting the right number of minority officers. So in terms of things like that we definitely
have to keep our eyes open. As we talk about the circuit breaker expiring in 2020, Dr. Ferlic
makes a very good point that we need to be keeping our eye on the budget going forward and
how do we prepare for that windfall. We have to stop looking at one (1) year budget plans and
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we are getting ready to talk on the 12 about trash rates going up. Instead of waiting five (5)
years to say we need nine percent (9%) this year, how do we say we need two percent (2%)
every year. We are in an era where we know city budgets are getting tight. We are having to
make infrastructure improvement we wouldn’t normally have to if we ready to ten (10) years
ago. We’ve kind of punted the ball a long time. We need to be planning on going forward. We
are going to have to start looking to make some tough decisions going forward in some very
critical areas. When talking about the diversity inclusion officer in terms of public safety. Police
officers make a very competitive first year wage as we start to promote them up the ranks we're
are not as competitive as cities our size. If we want to attract quality officers whether white or
Hispanic or African-American we have to make sure we take care of those who put their lives on
the line for us. It has to be reflected in the pay structure. Where we are at in terms of the 2016
budget yes absolutely, we are trying to hit key demographics, which is better than I can say five
(5) or ten (10) years ago in this city. There are issues we’re getting that wouldn’t have five (5) to
ten (10) years ago. I applaud the effort to include more people. Keep asking the tough questions
not only where are we going in 2016 but where are we going in 2017, 2018 and keep that eye on
2020. Where we really know we are going to have some financial difficulties. And making sure
we take care of those who take care of us.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- Is there anyone wishing to speak in opposition
seeing no one the public hearing is now closed.
Council Attorney advised the appropriate motion would be individual motions for each of the bills:
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion send the Bill 41-15 to be continued in the council
portion and set the third reading for October 12th. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic seconded the
motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
Councilmember Scott made a motion send the Bill 42-15 to be continued to the Council portion
and set the third reading for October 12th. Councilmember Dr. Ferlic seconded the motion which
carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
Councilmember Scott made a motion to send the Bill 43-15 to be continued to the Council portion
and set the third reading for October 12. Councilmember Oliver Davis seconded the motion which
carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
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2 Reading on Bill 51-15
Personnel and Finance Committee held a committee meeting on this bill. There was not a
quorum so we send this bill to the Council without a recommendation.
John Murphy (Controller) (Presenter) - Had a policy to amend our budgets frequently throughout
the year. This year we are doing it in March, June, September, and December. This appropriates
money in civil city funds and many of them are very small and we like to clean it up and make
sure we don’t wait until the end of the year. We discussed these at committee and look forward
to your favorable recommendation.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- Asked for questions from the Council for questions
seeing none.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- Is there anyone wishing to speak in favor of or in
opposition to, seeing no one the public hearing is now closed.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic made a motion to send Bill 51-15 to the Council with a favorable
recommendation. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic seconded the motion which carried by a voice
vote of seven (7) ayes.
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2 Reading on Bill 52-15
Personnel and Finance Committee held a committee meeting on this bill. There was not a
quorum so we send this bill to the council without a recommendation.
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John Murphy (Controller) (Presenter) - The only large one on here is a deduction of 1.5 million
dollars. Offset by an increase of 2.5 million dollars for a waste water secondary improvement
project that is being paid for with a combination of bond funds which are already appropriated
plus this pay as you go capital fund, we’ve reviewed the refund balances in there. We feel we
can do some pay as you go capital without having to bond so that’s what we are proposing to do
with this capital project.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- Asked for questions from the Council for questions
seeing none.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- Is there anyone wishing to speak in favor or in
opposition seeing no one the Public Hearing is now closed.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic made a motion to send the Bill 53-15 to the Council with a favorable
recommendation. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic seconded the motion which carried by a voice
vote of seven (7) ayes.
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2 Reading on Bill 53-15
Councilmember White Chairperson, Personnel and Finance Committee, reported that they met
this afternoon on this bill and due to a lack of quorum there is no recommendation.
John Murphy (Controller) (Presenter) - These are budget transfers from one type of account to
another. It’s a requirement in Indiana that the Common Council approve these types of transfers.
For example you might transfer from a services account to a supply account. That would require
council approval. That’s what these are there is no additional appropriations in these budget
transfers.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- Asked for questions from the Council for questions
seeing none.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- Is there anyone wishing to speak in favor seeing no
one
In opposition-
Jesse Davis PO Box 10205 South Bend, IN- I just want him to clarify. I had found a line item
budget on here for a $158,000 for salt and winter materials. I would have already thought that
was in the budget that you had figured out. I want to know is that additional money they are
wanting for salt for this coming winter?
Eric Horvath- That is additional monies to buy salt this winter. So we have a stocked shed of salt
this winter. It usually goes over budget cycles and sometime it’s difficult to guess how much we
are going to need. We do the best we can on budgeting. We take an average of the previous
years. If we have a bad year, it is usually due to salt prices and the amount of salt you use. In the
previous year not only did we use a lot of salt but the salt prices continued to go up. We recently
rebid salt. We’ve got a price much more expensive than what we were buying it for but less than
the state QPA. It’s about as good of a price as we are going to get. This one-hundred and fifty-
eight dollars ($158) will be to buy salt for this coming winter.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Do you ever use our local weather forecaster to help you
anticipate what type of winter we are having? I do value their expertise. Do you use them to
forecast when it comes down to snow and salt?
Eric Horvath- We haven’t because there is so much variability and they’re going to be predicting
from a larger picture. There’s a lot of factors that we’re going to have in play. One is it could be
anteceding conditions, it could be the temperature at the particular time, it could be how many
small events do we get, do we have continue to put product down for, or is it just one really large
event. All those things factor into how we spread salt. We have a snow removal policy that we
follow and it’s pretty prescriptive so at certain temperatures we apply certain materials and at
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other temperatures we apply other materials. It’s more involved than what we could get from
them; I wish we could get something from them. Then we could get predictive analysis. I haven’t
seen anything that would be able to do that.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- the public hearing is now closed.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic made a motion send the Bill 53-15 to the Council with a favorable
recommendation. Councilmember Scott seconded the motion which carried by a voice vote of
seven (7) ayes.
Second Reading on Bill 46-15
Councilmember White Chairperson, Personnel and Finance Committee, reported that they met
this afternoon on Bill 46-15 and due to a lack of quorum there is no recommendation.
John Murphy Controller (Presenter) - This ordinance sets up a new fund for the 311 operation. It
is an internal service fund. We appreciate the work of the Council Attorney who knows the
municipal code better than I do. We set it up for next year. It’s budgeted with an internal fund
next year. It provides more transparency and it is just a better accounting fund being used. It
doesn’t change operational anything.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- Asked for questions from the Council seeing none.
Committee of the Whole Chairperson White- Is there any wishing to speak in favor or in
opposition seeing no one the Public Hearing is now closed.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic made a motion send the Bill 53-15 to the council with a favorable
recommendation. Councilmember Oliver Davis seconded the motion which carried by a voice
vote of seven (7) ayes.
RISE AND REPORT
Councilmember White requested a motion to rise and report to full Council. So moved by
Councilmember Oliver Davis. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic seconded the motion which carried
by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
ATTEST: ATTEST:
____________________________ ____________________________
John Voorde, City Clerk Karen L. White, Chairperson
Committee of the Whole
REGULAR MEETING RECONVENED
Be it remembered that the Common Council of the City of South Bend reconvened in the
Council Chambers on the fourth floor of the County-City Building at 10:03 p.m. Council
President Tim Scott, presided with seven (7) members present.
BILLS - THIRD READING
51-15 Appropriation Bill
Councilmember White made a motion for the passage of Bill 51-15. Councilmember Oliver
Davis seconded the motion which carried and the Resolution was passed by a roll call vote of
seven (7) ayes.
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52-15 Appropriation Bill
Councilmember Gavin Ferlic made a motion for the passage of Bill 51-15. Councilmember
Oliver Davis seconded the motion which carried and the Resolution was passed by a roll call
vote of six (6) ayes and one (1) nay Councilmember Henry Davis Jr.
53-15 Appropriation Bill
Councilmember White made a motion for the passage of Bill 51-15. Councilmember Oliver
Davis seconded the motion which carried and the Resolution was passed by a roll call vote of
seven (7) ayes.
46-15 Establishing a new 311 call center
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to amend an article of the municipal code as stated
in Bill 46-15. Councilmember White seconded the motion which carried by a voice vote of seven
(7) ayes.
Councilmember White made a motion for the passage of Bill 46-15 as amended in the committee
in the whole. Councilmember Oliver Davis seconded the motion which carried and the
Resolution was passed by a roll call vote of seven (7) ayes.
RESOLUTIONS
Council President Tim Scott- On behalf of the clerks and legal I would entertain a motion for a
five (5) minute break.
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion for a five (5) minute break. Councilmember Henry
Davis Jr. seconded the motion which carried and the motion was carried by a voice vote of seven
(7) ayes.
Be it remembered that the Common Council of the City of South Bend reconvened in the
Council Chambers on the fourth floor of the County-City Building at 10:12 p.m. Council
President Tim Scott, presided with seven (7) members present.
15-85 A written annexation Township Mayflower and Western
Martin’s
Councilmember Oliver Davis Chairperson, Zoning and Annexation Committee, reported that
they met this afternoon on this resolution and due to a lack of quorum there is no
recommendation.
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Michael Divita, Presenter Community Investment: Offices on 14 Floor- The fiscal plan
addresses a nearly nine (9) acre voluntary annexation area at the South West corner of
Mayflower Rd. A new grocery store is proposed for the land. With the possible exception of a
new street light no other capital improvements are planned by the City. Sewer is available on the
vacated Huron St. Water is available along Western Ave. Connection would be done at the
petitioner’s expense. The western half of Mayflower Rd road along the project site will be added
to the city. The petitioner will be responsible for creating a traffic impact study. The annexation
area will be served by Police Beat 28, Fire Station 6 on Western Ave, Emergency Medic 4, and
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Code Enforcement Area 7. These will be begin one year after the effective date of the annexation
with response time comparable to other response times in the City. I ask for your adoption of this
resolution.
Council President Scott- Asked for questions from the Council for questions seeing none.
Michael Danch of Danch & (Petitioner) - We are asking for the annexation so that we are
allowed to move on with our project.
Council President Scott- Is there anyone wishing to speak in favor?
Jason Banicki-Critchlow 3822 W Ford St.- This will be a two (2) minute drive from my house.
There are two (2) dated grocery stores in the area. I am very excited for the development of a
new one. I think annexing property and adding some tax base to the City is a good idea. I know
we are getting that nimbi attitude from the neighbors, unfortunately development always has to
be in somebody’s back yard. I think Martin’s has proved to be a good neighbor wherever they
went in the City. Think this would an excellent project moving forward.
In opposition seeing no one the Public Hearing is now closed.
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to adopt Resolution 15-85. Councilmember White
seconded the motion which carried and the Resolution was adopted by a roll call vote of six (6)
ayes and one (1) nay, Councilmember Henry Davis Jr.
15-86 A RESOLUTION CONFIRMING THE ADOPTION OF A DECLARATORY
RESOLUTION DESIGNATING CERTAIN AREAS WITHIN THE CITY
OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA, COMMONLY KNOWN AS 511 Delaine
Dr. , SOUTH BEND, INDIANA 46628 AS A RESIDENTIALLY AN
ECONOMOC REVITIALIZATION AREA FOR PURPOSES OF A (5)
FIVE-YEAR PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT FOR FED
GROUND SYSTEM
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Presenter: Chris Fielder, Department of Community Investment, Offices on the 14 floor –
Before you is a residential real property tax abatement request. The total number of jobs to be
created is 198 jobs. Total investment in the project is $31,000,000. The estimated taxes to be
abated over the five (5) year period are $592,944. The total taxes to be paid over the five (5)
year period are $693,000. Aaron is here from FedEx to discuss, if you have any questions he
will answer them.
Petitioner: Aaron, 5102 S. Dylan Dr., South Bend – This is a big opportunity for FedEx we’ve
out grown our build right now. We are putting this building for future expansion well beyond
what we are going to need right now. Our plan with FedEx is to double our ground network.
This is a great opportunity for us to be an asset to the community.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr.- Out of the one-hundred and ninety-eight (198) jobs that will be
created how many of them are already filled?
Petitioner- States, One-hundred and twenty-seven (127) of them.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - There will be sixty (60) some new job.
Petitioner- Immediately yes and then there will be some growth in the next five (5) to ten (10)
years.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - The next five (5) to ten (10) years at what level?
Petitioner- Total we are looking at two-hundred and seventy (270).
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Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - I don’t have a problem with using this tax abatement to attract
companies. My problem is not with you Sir. The City Department in the narrative of bringing in
two-hundred (200) jobs, when in fact you are only bringing in sixty (60) plus jobs that are going
to be available. The report reads two-hundred (200) jobs. That’s a bit different than sixty-eight
(68) to sixty-nine (69) jobs. I want to for the record have a better understanding of how many
jobs there are going to be available once this is complete. You have my full support.
Presenter- These are jobs they project out over the life of the abatement. It’s not a singular look
it’s a long term look.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - I am aware of that and I have a problem with the way we do
abatements as well Sir. I don’t want to have that conversation right now. I think the abatement
process and how we look at those numbers are a bit skewed over the life of the abatement. That’s
a whole other conversation.
This being the time heretofore set for the Public Hearing on the above bill, proponents and
opponents were given an opportunity to be heard.
(Councilmember Dr. Fred Ferlic returned)
There being no one present wishing to speak to the Council either in favor of or in opposition to
this bill, Councilmember Dr. Ferlic made a motion to adopt Resolution 15-70. Councilmember
Oliver Davis seconded the motion which carried and the Resolution was adopted by a roll call vote
of seven (7) ayes.
15-87 A RESOLUTION CONFIRMING THE ADOPTION OF A DECLARATORY
RESOLUTION DESIGNATING CERTAIN AREAS WITHIN THE CITY
OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA, COMMONLY KNOWN AS 802 S.
VICENT ST, SOUTH BEND, IN 46617 AS ARESIDENTIALLY
DISTRESSED AREA FOR PURPOSES OF A FIVE (5) YEAR REAL
PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT FOR JAMES AND SUSAN FAIRINGTON.
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Presenter: Brock Zeeb, Department of Community Investment, Offices on the 14 floor –They
propose to build a $525,000 new house with total taxes to be created over the five (5) year period
of $27,798. Estimated taxes to be abated over the five (5) year period will be $18,093. Total
taxes to be paid over the five (5) year period is $25,905. The petitioner is here to speak on the
project if you have any questions.
Petitioner: David Serazski Century Builders 1115 Burns Ave. – I represent the petitioner who
built a new single family home we are going to tear down a vacant house and build a brand new
one. In an area we have been redeveloping over the last five (5) years. This is a tax abatement
we have asked for in the past and have been granted on other properties.
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic – How much is the demolition?
Presenter- It is five-hundred and twenty-five dollars ($525.00)
Councilmember Dr. Ferlic- Good.
This being the time heretofore set for the Public Hearing on the above bill, proponents and
opponents were given an opportunity to be heard.
There being no one present wishing to speak to the Council either in favor of or in opposition to
this bill, Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to adopt Resolution 15-87. Councilmember
Karen White seconded the motion which carried and the Resolution was adopted by a roll call vote
of seven (7) ayes.
15-88 A RESOLUTION RESCENDING RESOLUTION 43-52-14 43-61-14
DESIGNATING CERTAIN AREAS WITHIN THE CITY OF SOUTH
BEND, INDIANA, COMMONLY KNOWN AS 211 W WASHINGTON ST.
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SOUTH BEND IN 46601 AS AN ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION AREA
FOR PURPOSES OF A FOUR (4) YEAR REAL PROPERTY TAX
ABATEMENT
Councilmember Gavin Ferlic, Chairperson, Community Investment Committee met this
afternoon and did not have a quorum and the resolution was sent with no recommendation.
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Presenter: Chris Fielding, Department of Community Investment, Offices on the 14 floor – The
current owner of the building is proposing a much more extensive project. As redevelopment as
opposed to a repair of the structure of the building. Therefore we are requesting a recession of
the initial tax abatement 43-52-14, 43-61-14 in hopes they will be replaced with a more extensive
tax abatement which are in the next three resolutions.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Just for clarification what is the difference in dollar value.
Presenter: The initial tax abatement was approximately 5.8 million dollars to repair the elevators,
chiller, heating, and air conditioning system, parking garage and windows. The next will be a 30
million dollar renovation to the entire building.
This being the time heretofore set for the Public Hearing on the above bill, proponents and
opponents were given an opportunity to be heard.
Leanne Billousa Century Center 120 S. St. Joseph St. - I know ya’ll have our letter of support
for this but I just wanted to say it vocally that we could not be more excited at Century Center
about this. There is great potential for convention business as well as the overall economic
impact it’s going to have on the entire community.
Samuel Brown CUBG 222 E Navarre St. – I feel very positive about this. Then another part of
me kind of worries about it. Are we going to do like we did with the Hall of Fame? I hope this
goes through and really does what it is intended to do for the City of South Bend. It is one of the
most valuable pieces of real estate we have in South Bend. In the back of my mind I keep
thinking about that hall of fame but I hope it goes through.
Robert Bartels (Martin’s), 760 Cotter St. – To see the enormity of this project take off. I just
refer you to your own screen saver. It would be nice to see some lights on in that building. To
see the momentum and economic development that this represents this is fantastic.
Council President Scott- In opposition to this bill, seeing none.
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to adopt Resolution 15-88. Councilmember Gavin
Ferlic seconded the motion which carried and the Resolution was adopted by a roll call vote of
seven (7) ayes.
Councilmember White made a motion for the purpose of Public Hearing to hear Resolution 15-89,
15-90, 15-91. Councilmember Dr. Ferlic seconded the motion which carried and the motion was
adopted by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
15-89 A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
SOUTH BEND DESIGNATING A CERTAIN AREA WITHIN THE CITY
OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA, COMMONLY KNOWN AS 211 W
WASHINGTON ST. SOUTH BEND IN 46601 AS AN ECONOMIC
REVITALIZATION AREA FOR PURPOSES OF A TEN (10) YEAR
REAL PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT FOR A HOTEL LOCATED AT THE
TOWER AT WASHINGTON SQUARE
15-90 A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
SOUTH BEND DESIGNATING A CERTAIN AREA WITHIN THE CITY
OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA, COMMONLY KNOWN AS 211 W
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WASHINGTON ST. SOUTH BEND IN 46601 AS AN ECONOMIC
REVITALIZATION AREA FOR PURPOSES OF A TEN (10) YEAR
REAL PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT FOR A RETAIL PROPERTY
LOCATED AT THE TOWER AT WASHINGTON SQUARE
15-91 A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
SOUTH BEND DESIGNATING A CERTAIN AREA WITHIN THE CITY
OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA, COMMONLY KNOWN AS 211 W
WASHINGTON ST. SOUTH BEND IN 46601 AS AN ECONOMIC
REVITALIZATION AREA FOR PURPOSES OF A TEN (10) YEAR
REAL PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT FOR A PARKING GARAGE
LOCATED AT THE TOWER AT WASHINGTON SQUARE
Councilmember Gavin Ferlic, Chairperson, Community Investment Committee met this
afternoon and did not have a quorum and the Resolutions 15-89, 15-90, 15-91 were sent with no
recommendation.
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Presenter: Chris Fielding, Department of Community Investment, Offices on the 14 floor –
Before you represent three (3) of four (4) potential tax abatements negotiated on the project. The
building is going to be subdivided into four marketable sections: the resident, the hotel, the
parking garage, and the commercial space. The subplot process has already begun. The curb tax
can never be applied to the hotel section of the building between now and the confirming
resolution which may be sixty (60) to seventy (70) days. They will finish the replot of the entire
structure in the next seven (7) days. At the point prior to the confirming resolution we made sure
we have tax code numbers for all four parcels. We will be coming to the next meeting, we have
a UUC Resolution to create residential property in the downtown area. That meeting has been
scheduled. We do not anticipate any problems. The total project will create eighty-two (82) new
jobs, sixty-three (63) in the hotel, twenty (20) in the retail space, and one (1) as park garage
attendant with an annual payroll of 2.7 million dollars. We do have multiple exceptions to the
local code. On the hotel tax key we are requesting ten (10) year vacant building tax abatement
with a modified schedule. Under state code 6-1.1-12.1 modified in July 2015 to allow the
Council up to ten (10) years at any schedule agreed upon at the local level. That schedule is a
100% for the first two (2) years while they are in construction and ramp up ninety percent (90%)
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for the 3 year, then eighty-five (85%) for the next three (3) years, and sixty percent (60%) for
the last three (3) years. That will be the same schedule applied to the standard abatements that
will not exceed ten (10) years either, for residential, commercial, and parking garage. We are
also proposing in the MOA 36 months instead of the standard 24 months we typically allow for a
project to be completed due to the scope of the project. We expect a return on this within the
next 60 days. At that time we will have formal tax due numbers. The proposed investment in the
property is approximately $33.3 million dollars, total public investment with the abatements
which will have a direct correlation to the amount of money they put into the building. The
petitioner is here from the Kramer Group to answer any questions about the new construction
that you may have.
Petitioner: Robert Kramer, Kramer Design Group 1420 Broadway Detroit, MI– I am here
representing the ownership on this property. Kramer Design Group is a firm of architects and
nature designers planners. The bulk of our work is adaptive reuse. We recently completed a
project of similar scope in downtown Detroit in a loft hotel with luxury houses above with mixed
use retail on the ground floor. It did not have a parking component. It opened approximately a
year ago to date with great success. Apartments 100% leased and the hotels have been doing
well since day one (1). It is typical for our firm to be involved in these mixed-use projects. We
do a lot of hotel work nationally as well as residential. We were first awarded this project when
it was just the hotel component about six (6) months ago. We observed the parking garage deck
was in severe disrepair: two structural issues where the salts ate away at the concrete and
supporting steel. A big change in direction there, very quickly we discovered the majority of the
facility had reached its useful life. Subsequently our firm has been involved in comprehensive
planning exercises for the entire facility. This is a daylight view of key interest when we were
studying the property and trying to understand where to put in entrances to the facility we
became aware through the excellent work of the City of the streetscapes program, the two-way
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street program, and it really ties into what our experience has shown that these two-way streets in
an urban project really enliven the downtown of urban area.
The planning exercise and this client was very interested in sort of enlivening streets. We are
taking away the old drive-thru so on the far left hand is some expanded retail. The center with
the canopy is actually the residential entrance. It’s a dedicated lobby. In the two corners is a
signature retail or signature restaurant. The client is envisioning a larger sort of destination
restaurant. Many of you remember that the facility used to have a restaurant in it in the lower
level. We are preserving that entire lower level for this type of restaurant use. There are great
assets there is a bank valet down there, you can imagine great private dining area. On the far
right hand side is the entrance to the hotel. A Loft as a brand because it is part of the Starwood
family of brands, the A Loft is the midlevel of a full service “W” Westin. It targets a wider
range of clientele, from a young up and coming professional to sort of people who go by their
own beat.
On the far right side you will see it drop off and the signature swoop. We are removing the bulk
or sort of the weight of the building. Those large concrete block panels that are somewhat
deadening to the eye sight. Making it a little more alive with color and texture, opening up the
garage. In the upper left corner you will see the brand new windows. Those are actually the
expanded ballrooms that are currently on that floor. To take advantage of views that currently
have no views to overlook the city. This next view is of an overall view of the property, the
renovation is top to bottom and we have to replace the windows.
To give you a sense of why there was a longer duration, it’s simply the physical time it takes to
renovate the space. The goal is still to be completed in 2017 it’s just trying to protect from
unknowns. As we are diving into this building more and more things have been discovered as
problems. At this point, we have recommended and the client has taken the advice and began
some early phases of construction. No construction has begun but the plan is to begin demolition
abatement very shortly. A permit has been granted and also we are doing a window replacement.
To give you a sense of the value the window replacement is a 2.4 million dollar project in itself.
The demolition abatement in itself is 1.4million and that is just simply removing the stuff that’s
in there. Our firm is completing the complete construction document. There is a separate local
firm who is involved as structural engineers, structural rehabilitation of the parking structure and
will be working with us on the rest of the facility. Currently the project is planned with eighty-
six (86) residential units the top third of the property. The balance of the tower is one-hundred
and eighty-three (183) hotel rooms, effectively what was there at one point. The top floor of the
parking deck area is actually ball rooms, a pool, and such. The top of the parking deck, the roof
level is going to be a great community space for the residents including a dog walking area. The
next two views are sort of evening views. It is really important to us to design both the day time
and the evening. The key to revitalization of a downtown is making it feel safe, being safe,
making it feel signature and upbeat. We took a lot of effort to try and not create something that
was obtuse. Certainly this building by itself is much taller than anything around but we wanted
to highlight its features through clever lighting and bring some excitement. The final view is a
street level view at night. You can see the light and space that make it unique. Every single wall
of dry wall in the tower is being moved down to its core structure. From an energy efficiency
perspective we are replacing every single light fixture, the phone systems are being replaced.
The mechanic system is a 100% replacement. We are pretty excited about the whole thing.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- I talked to you about the issues, about completing the hotel and
apartments at the same time could you share about that? Talk about the synergy between your
hotel and the double tree. Is there anything you are doing to make the place more energy
efficient?
Petitioner- The A Loft is what you call a midservice hotel. The Doubletree by definition is a full
service hotel. The most significant difference is the restaurants and ballroom space. We have
very limited ballroom space probably seats one-hundred and fifty (150) versus true conference
center space. From a competitive standpoint its closest competitor are the two new buildings that
you see when you come off the highway. That is what we consider the normal market. From a
hotel perspective often times the demographic you look at is major brands the Hilton brand or the
Starwood brand. Each have their frequent flyer return guest program. Those drive a lot of the
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business traffic. They actually don’t compete against each other. What we found is talking with
the convention center they wanted this type of property in their set. It is mid-priced in relative
terms. We don’t actually believe that it will take away but actually support each other. What
typically happens is if the double tree is full that type of property will send guest to this and vice
versa.
To question about LEED or environment friendliness the property is not seeking LEED
certification. LEED certification for a remodel is a challenging thing as logical as you might
think that it is. From an energy perspective we are doing tremendous things. The lighting will
be LED. It’s going to be an open air garage, natural ventilation versus the fans. The lighting is
just superior in that sense. The heating and cooling system for the whole building will be a
closed loop heat pump system. It’s essentially the most efficient that we have other than if we
had outsourced thermal. A Loft as a company and the products they require are all of a green
nature. The residential from our firm perspective will be in a similar state. In our terms it would
certainly quality for LEED certification or higher, at least silver by default. The plan of attack at
this point is that the garage would be the immediate start because we have some structural issues,
as well as releasing the windows so we can do the windows.
The windows are going to take the better part of a year to replace. The lead time on glass in the
national market is a long time. The elevator contract would be let as well. The elevator lead time
is about 16 weeks, that on approval of shop drawing so you add another 4 months on to that. The
goal is have all those in place so that when we are doing the heavy construction there is a place
for workers to park, there is a way to go up and down the building and it’s water tight. The intent
is that the entire tower is being worked on simultaneously. Every similar system and such. It
would come online all at once. We know the developer would like to have the hotel first if they
had to choose one or the other. They don’t compete against each other. There are separate
lobbies, entrances so it works out really well. The last thing to be filled up is the retail on the
ground floor. A lot of people will want to see the project first before they would undertake being
in the building. It’s all planned so one project can be done without interfering with the other.
There are separate elevators and the works.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- In the cellar since they have a kitchen down there will it be
available for rent for food trucks?
Petitioner: One of the benefits of the building was it had two commercial grade kitchens one on
the top and one on the bottom and we said let’s not do anything to demolish them. It’s actually a
full service catering kitchen. We are protecting it for future development whatever that might
be. We certainly don’t know. I am a personal fan of food trucks and in Detroit we know they are
a part of the living culture.
Mark Neal, Bradley Company- The owner is interested in keeping all options open including
food and restaurants. He does notice that there are tremendous opportunities because of all the
infrastructure.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. – Thank you for the investment I am looking forward to seeing
it. It looks like a beautiful building. This has been a long time coming. My questions are for
Mr. Gilling. I am interested in finding out the demographic report on this particular project as it
relates to all the other projects in the downtown area. I am interested in seeing how these projects
will bring people downtown. Where are they coming from are they working or retired folk?
Who are we marketing these new livable spaces to? There has to be a trend me and my
colleagues are not aware of. There is something that we are pushing at and I don’t know what
the timeline of that full plan is. Can you provide us with that report that says what that is?
Downtown South Bend 2020 all the apartments are filled most people are working in Red Sox
district.
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Chris Fielding Presenter, Offices on the 14 FL- We have the Zimmerman- Bolt Study I can
send out to everybody. Anecdotally you keep seeing us bring residential, this is actually a
diversity hub, if you look at the Hoffman Hotel building we did a tax abatement for that is
actually the artist level population, it’s a low-income housing project but it’s dedicated
specifically to artists. The JMS and the LaSalle we will be the closest to the people who are
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attracted to downtown now you will likely see graduate students and people who work
downtown. This project here is more of the A+ the empty nester who really wants to live in an
urban setting. Has second home somewhere else. This the higher end of the four projects we’ve
seen. We are hoping they create four different housing situations so they are not just competing
for the same population. As Notre Dame demolishes their graduate student housing with no plan
to replace it you will start see a new population and more mature population gravitating towards
the downtown. Many will have internship opportunities ignition park and these opportunities
will be in-between their work life and their school life.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - There are some projections that are there that we are not being
connected with. I think what I was saying earlier this is a piece, if I remember about this from
four (4) months ago maybe I can connect them. We have the ability to connect all the dots so we
know where we are going. Yeah, we are voting on this project it looks nice but my first question
is where are they coming from and where are they going to be working. How do people from
South Bend who have a median house household income of $36,000, with fifty percent (50%)
poverty rate, who rents that from South Bend? How do I figure this out? That report will be
very valuable to have and also to read because we are kind of like feeling our way through this.
Somehow someway you guys are able to bring these projects.
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Chris Fielding Presenter, Offices on the 14 Fl. - I will send the link out to everybody. We also
did put it in the budget.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr. - Thank you I think that was the question. We just got that
information today. The other question I have Sir is I am looking at this tax abatement right here,
15-91. On this one it says provide training, this has everything to do with the construction, it
says yes twenty-eight (28) points, then on number three (#3) it says workforce related letter C,
maintain an affirmative action plan yes, thirty-five (35) for thirty-five (35) points. Then I got
over to part where it says please list the number of full-time and part-time female, minority for
each of the last three (3) years and that area is blank. My question is how do we make sure that
the folks that are here that need the positions and jobs and job training are actually getting that
attention. This is a long project how do we make sure that money is staying in South Bend? On
the demolition projects the money was leaving out of here both ways. How can we begin to
maintain the jobs so the money stays here?
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Chris Fielding Presenter, Offices on the 14 Fl. - In this situation I think we’ve been very
proactive. The easiest one word answer to that is it’s going to require partnership. It’s going to
require partnership and it’s going to require all of you to be a part of that partnership. You
approved funding for the manufactures training program last year. Knowing that these projects
were coming online and other projects that we will probably be bringing forward to you in the
next three (3) to five (5) weeks. We’ve actually modified that through the Department of Public
Works. What we are seeing is a lot of individuals that we were recruiting were interested in
going in to manufacturing. Now we do hospitality training at IUSB and medical training through
IVY Tech and manufacturing program through Purdue. The training programs are already set
up. If we want the individuals in this community that are in most need of these jobs to go to the
courtyard hotel or A Loft or the Ireland Rose suites that are being built we need help recruiting.
From James Summer, Diversity Group, NAACP, Workforce Development we are not able to fill
classes. We are hearing that there are a whole lot of people who want the job and want the job
training but when we put the job training out there our partners are not stepping up to help us fill
the classes.
Councilmember Henry Davis Jr.- I have asked that we put all the jobs that are coming on a
website, I have asked to have those types of conversations not only on Council floors but in
committee hearings we don’t have them, who is communicating this information as far as
workforce development, and how are they communicating it? We are choosing new people to do
a job that needs a more experienced outlook on things. I’m going to challenge you as you
challenge that we incorporate these conversations with the future development of jobs here. If
they are here then we need to fill them, if they are here then people need to know about them.
People are not signing for it because they don’t know anything about them.
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This being the time heretofore set for the Public Hearing on the above bill, proponents and
opponents were given an opportunity to be heard.
There being no one present wishing to speak to the Council either in favor of:
Jason Banicki-Critchlow 3822 W Ford St- This is obviously a piece of property we’ve all talked
about more than a few times at Council meetings. Anytime your prime real estate you’re most
visible piece sits vacant and empty it says a lot about the City. It says even more when we can
quickly turn it around and turn it into a very large project. It will add to the excitement
downtown and add to functionality. We got improvements at the Century Center and we have
other hotels running. We know what we need to do is get some of the bigger conventions that
help bring dollars to restaurants, stores, gas stations that is exciting to see. From an architectural
stand point I think it is a beautiful building. I think it has the opportunity to change the tone of
South Bend. We’ve been a 1940-50s style town, brick and drab and concrete. I think this is
something we all need to be in favor of.
Christopher Barth, 236 Tatty St. - Given the 30 million dollar investment into the property. I want
to express my support for these three (3) tax abatements. The project reflects a significant need
for investment to an iconic property in our community. The renovation is going to assist in
attracting conventions to our area. I think I heard that we could have put on two-hundred and fifty
(250) RFPs if we had and this particular hotel, along with the double tree, and the proposed other
hotel downtown. Office rates are going to probably go up downtown with no more offices
available in this building, rates will go up in other high Class A properties in town which is also
good for the economy. I urge you guys to support this.
In opposition to this bill: seeing none.
Councilmember White made a motion to adopt Resolution 15-89. Councilmember Oliver Davis
seconded the motion which carried and the Resolution was adopted by a roll call vote of seven (7)
ayes.
Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to adopt Resolution 15-90. Councilmember White
seconded the motion which carried and the Resolution was adopted by a roll call vote of seven (7)
ayes.
Councilmember White made a motion to adopt Resolution 15-91. Councilmember Oliver Davis
seconded the motion which carried and the Resolution was adopted by a roll call vote of seven (7)
ayes.
15-92 A RESOLUTION approving the purchase of real estate
property located at 2401 W. Western Ave
Councilmember Gavin Ferlic Chairperson, Community Investment Committee, reported that
they met this afternoon on this resolution and due to a lack of quorum there is no
recommendation.
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Presenter: Jitin Kain, Department of Community Investment, Offices on the 14 floor – This
resolution is seeking to purchase this property on Western Ave. and Olive Street with the
intention of increasing the safety at the intersection. As you are aware this is an intersection that
has some issues with turning radii. The Polish National Building Association is consistently hit
with large trucks moving west. A number of the land uses on Olive have a high usage of trucks
and so the intersection does its fair share. We have looked at improving the intersection in the
past. In 2009, about five (5) feet of right-of-way was purchased from the PNA building trying to
expand the intersection which had some limited success but has still not changed the truck
movements as you can see from the image and recent damage to buildings from large trucks. We
also looked at changing the left turn bars so there is more room for the trucks and still had
limited success. The analysis from our Engineering Department says the turning radius should
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be changed from a twenty (20) foot radius to a seventy (70) foot radius. In this case the PNA
folks approached the City with a desire to close operations at that facility. They intend to
continue those activities by using rental space and other community centers. We have decided to
pursue the acquisition to secure a safer intersection. With the intention of putting the land back
on the market immediately, for light industrial use, per Indiana Code 36-1-10.5. The acquisition
must be done by conducting an appraisal, the average of two (2) appraisals done by two (2)
certified appraisers which is what the department initiated. The average of the two (2) and
appraisal price is $200,000 which would be the offer price for the building. The schedule if
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approved today is to close October 9 then schedule the demolition of the building so work can
happen later this fall or winter. This helps us get ready to improve the property next year. I have
a couple images just showing what the initial concept is: this is showing the large turning radius
for the WB65 trucks. The building doesn’t have a reuse potential therefore a demolition then
putting it back on the market for a different use. The last couple of slides show the current view
of the building. I would be happy to answer questions.
Councilmember Oliver Davis– Again I bring up the signage issue and how this road just
suddenly merges and the same at Walnut. Can we do something about this? We have traffic
signage in the air that is directing us. One (1) part turns if you don’t get over quickly. Especially
in the winter time or the foggy part of the morning, that becomes a major problem. If we could
see them in the yellow and black. Or signs in front of us that could direct us that this is the
turning it would just clear up a lot of things.
Councilmember Henry Davis- Jitin we got some serious issues over there. I don’t know if this is
going to satisfy those issues. I was at Wells Fargo trying to get out and I couldn’t. If we offer
another lane over there I can only believe that there is going to be more traffic. I was trying to
get out to go west. I was trying to get out to turn right on Western and that was like playing
Frogger. I turned my car around to go back through the parking lot to turn right on to Western
and I had the same issue luckily somebody had a heart and allowed me to get in. When I get out
there the traffic is backed clear down the street to MaryCrest building. It’s been said the most
dangerous intersection in the city of South Bend is at Walnut and Western. If you go there
between the hours of 3 o’clock and 5 o’clock you will encounter a traffic jam going both ways
from Walnut to Olive. Then you have one (1) lane in each direction on Olive. We have a huge
traffic issue over there. I don’t know if that was on purpose to jam up traffic or if there was
thought that it’ll work itself out. You can’t get out. You can’t get out of the bank, the gas station,
if there was a bowling alley you can’t get out the bowling alley you can’t get out. So if you drive
in you can cancel Christmas for the next thirty (30) to forty (40) minutes when you’re trying to
get out. No different than Lincolnway when I was talking about the Kremo Bakery situation.
That was the truth. He didn’t want to own up to it it’s fine, it’s the same situation you can’t get
out. What’s the point in access to the area if you can’t get out? If you can’t access it or use it.
What is the point?
Presenter Jitin- I appreciate your comments. Certainly the intent of any of these improvements is
to not prohibit any access it is the opposite of that. Some of the issues are the green time, as part
of the Western Avenue restriping; we are changing the green time so there is more on Western
and less on Olive. As we looked at the traffic study we saw that there was more desire for green
time on Western that is getting fixed as part of the project we have underway. Part of the reason
that Western is confusing is because in the past it has been done in a piecemeal manner. This
time we are changing the entire three (3) mile stretch. With the signal synchronization that
should help the traffic to flow much better. The project over here isn’t adding new lanes it’s
increasing the turning radius.
Councilmember Henry Davis- You have already addressed the lane changes and the new
stripping. That has already happened. I am talking what has already been created. I live over
there. This plan has already been implemented. What I am telling you right now Sir is you can’t
get in and you can’t get out.
This being the time heretofore set for the Public Hearing on the above bill, proponents and
opponents were given an opportunity to be heard.
Those wishing to speak in favor of:
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Resident of 2047 Miami St.- I think it is great for the City to move on. It is a very underutilized
property. It is great to see the City doing this and continuing to revitalize Western Ave. we are
excited to see it. The one thing we mentioned is trying to do some great gateways and something
that really honors the Polish community there, the diversity of the neighborhood and do something
as well. I think this would also attract people to that area.
There being no one present wishing to speak to the Council in opposition to this bill,
Councilmember White made a motion to adopt Resolution 15-92. Councilmember Oliver Davis
seconded the motion which carried and the Resolution was adopted by a roll call vote of six (6)
ayes and one (1) nay, Councilman Henry Davis Jr.
BILLS - FIRST READING
BILL NO.
54-15 REAFFIRMING ORDIANCE #100332-14 AND FIXING THE ANNUAL
AND MONETARY FRINGE BENEFITS OF SWORN MEMBERS OF THE
SOUTH BEND POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2016
This bill had first reading. Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to refer this bill to the
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Health and Public Safety Committee for October 12. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic seconded the
motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
55-15 REAFFIRMING ORDIANCE #100333-14 AND FIXING THE ANNUAL
AND MONETARY FRINGE BENEFITS OF SWORN MEMBERS OF THE
FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2016
This bill had first reading. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic made a motion to refer this bill to the
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Health and Public Safety Committee for October 12. Councilmember White seconded the motion
which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
56-15 SETTING THE ANNUAL SALARY FOR THE COMMON COUNCIL FOR
CALENDAR YEAR 2016
This bill had first reading. Councilmember Oliver Davis made a motion to refer this bill to the
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Personnel and Finance Committee for October 12. Councilmember Dr. Ferlic seconded the
motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
54-15 SETTING THE ANNUAL SALARY FOR THE SOUTH BEND CITY CLERK
FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR 2016
This bill had first reading. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic made a motion to refer this bill to the
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Personnel and Finance Committee for October 12. Councilmember Oliver Davis seconded the
motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
58-15 SETTING THE ANNUAL SALARY FOR THE MAYOR FOR CALENDAR
YEAR 2016
This bill had first reading. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic made a motion to refer this bill to the
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Personnel and Finance Committee for October 12. Councilmember Oliver Davis seconded the
motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
59-15 FIXING THE MAXIMUM SALARY FOR TEAMSTER EMPLOYEES FOR
CALENDAR YEARS 2014, 2015, & 2016
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This bill had first reading. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic made a motion to refer this bill to the
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Personnel and Finance Committee for October 12. Councilmember Oliver Davis seconded the
motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
60-15 FIXING THE MAXIMUM SALARY FOR APPOINTED OFFICERS AND
NON-BARGAINING EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND FOR
CALENDAR YEARS 2016
This bill had first reading. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic made a motion to refer this bill to the
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Personnel and Finance Committee for October 12. Councilmember Oliver Davis seconded the
motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
61-15 TO VACATE THE FOLLOWING DESCRIBED PROPERTY A LESS THAN
FULL WIDTH PORTION OF SOUTH MAIN ST FORMERLY LAFAYETTE
BLVD THAT LIES ADJACENT TO PROPERTY OWNED BY GATES
REALITY LLC. LOCATED AT 4418 SOUTH MAIN ST. FORMERLY
LAFAYETTE BLVD
This bill had first reading. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic made a motion to refer this bill to the
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Public Works and Property Vacation Committee for October 12. Councilmember Oliver Davis
seconded the motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
62-15 TO VACATE THE FOLLOWING DESCRIBED PROPERTY A FULL WIDTH
PORTION OF OLD SOUTH MAIN ST FORMERLY SOUTH MAIN ST THAT
LIES BETWEEN LAFAYETTE BLVD AND SOUTH MAIN ST ADJACENT
TO PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND BOARD OF
PUBLIC WORK LOCATED AT 4201-4219 SOUTH MAIN ST.
This bill had first reading. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic made a motion to refer this bill to the
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Public Works and Property Vacation Committee for October 12. Councilmember Oliver Davis
seconded the motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
63-15 REPEALING its ENTIRE ARTICLE 7 TITLED NOISE CONTROL OF
CHAPTER 13 OF THE SOUTH BEND MUNICIPAL CODE AND AMENDING
CHAPTER 2-213 ADDRESSING SCHEDULE OF ORDINANDCE AND CODE
VIOLATION
This bill had first reading. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic made a motion to refer this bill to the
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Health and Public Safety Committee for October 12. Councilmember Oliver Davis seconded the
motion which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
63-15 INITIATED BY THE AREA PLAN COMMISION ON BEHALF OF THE
COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA
REPEALING CHAPTER 6 ARTICLE 21-06.03 NORTHEAST
NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 3 OVERLAY ZONING
DISTRICT AND REPLACING IT WITH A NEW CHAPTER 21 ARTICLE
6 SECTION 21-06.3 ENTITLED NORTHEAST NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING
OVERLAY DISTRICT.
This bill had first reading. Councilmember Gavin Ferlic made a motion to refer this bill to Area
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Plan for October 12. Councilmember Oliver Davis seconded the motion which carried by a voice
vote of seven (7) ayes.
Councilmember Gavin Ferlic made a motion to send Bills 39-15, 39-16, 39-17 to the Zoning and
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Annexation Committee for October 26. Councilmember Oliver Davis seconded the motion
which carried by a voice vote of seven (7) ayes.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
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Councilmember Oliver Davis- The issue regarding IDs and Councilman Davis’ bill. When will
we hear it? I know there is some clarity with the budget issue and with Councilman Davis’ bill.
It is confusing to people how can we get that cleared up?
Councilmember Henry Davis- I don’t know I specifically asked the Mayor when he was here to
work with us and didn’t get a clear answer to whether he was interested or not. He said if you
have a better way of doing it give it to him. I did I filed a bill that has a comprehensive approach
to do some of things he’s talking about doing? It’s a different philosophy, sure. The Council is
the legislative body of this city government. Dude I don’t know man. Some of is really
frustrating that you asked and it’s not happening. I don’t know what the Council President feels
about that I guess we need to lean up on his leadership on how he feels on how does the Council
forge a conversation with Mayor’s Office? So that this is a shared effort. So, that it can get
completed for the best intentions for the Council, the people and also the Mayor’s Office.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- There is a lot of people who came here tonight thinking they were
going two different ways. One is thinking the budget and the others thinking that there was
going to be some bill presented. I am getting emails and texts and they want to know about the
bill and I am saying they are two different things. It’s not the same thing. I don’t want to confuse
people that we are just going to put $18,000 into a budget they’ll be happy because they are
getting IDs and then there’s no IDs and then they get mad at all of us for fooling them.
Council President Tim Scott- I am asking the co-sponsor of the bill and the administration to get
together and work it out.
Councilmember Henry Davis- There are eight (8) sponsors not one (1) sponsor.
Council President Tim Scott- I am asking the sponsor to get together and work it out with the
Administration. Get it together come to a solution.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- Can we get an email on that? On what the suggestion is? And we
can put something together. Also, can we get an update, we setup a committee, this is almost the
end of the year, regarding Martin Luther King Jr. we nominated and one of our nominees is
sitting right out there. I don’t believe one meeting has been called for the street renaming MLK
and our nominees are ready to go. We look like we aren’t doing our job. What can we do to add
more teeth to the situation? Should we tie it to the budget? The budget is not passed before this is
done. I think it’s unfair for us to have people go through the nomination process, interview all
these people bring them down here. Put them on a committee and then wait till next year
different people will sitting up here. Whatever happens I think this is unfair.
Council President Tim Scott- I will ask that we send a letter to the administration asking what
their status is on it.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- I appreciate that can you CC all of us on it?
NEW BUSINESS
Councilmember Henry Davis- Has the October meeting notice gone out for the Charles Black
Center?
Council Attorney- It is my understanding that it’ll go out tomorrow. The time is 6:30 p.m.
Councilmember Oliver Davis- What day?
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Councilmember White- This coming Thursday October 3, 2015. This will be our last off-site
meeting.
PRIVILEGE OF THE FLOOR
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Jesse Davis – P.O. Box 10205, South Bend – I brought up the issue for the extra monies for salt.
I just want you guys to look into that. Apparently we didn’t get a bid put in properly or at the
wrong time that’s why we have to spend some additional money even though they are saying it’s
a little cheaper. Please look into that, find out who dropped that ball and didn’t get the bid in to
the State Consortium on time and properly.
Jason Banicki-Critchlow – 3822 W. Ford St., South Bend – A lot of times people find
government to be unresponsive or at least that is a common complaint they find that things don’t
get done that they ask. I would like to say the exact opposite in my experience in front of your
guys this year. I brought up several issues, the Clerk’s Office not getting the minutes up for 2014
they are starting to go up so I just want to say thank you for that progress. I brought up issues in
the district and had brought up issues in the dispatch center, last week there was a meeting with
the dispatch head. Low and behold he couldn’t answer and he’s resigned. I heard other people
bring up concrete sidewalks, they were repaired within two weeks. I appreciated the way you
guys help us. The ways you go above and beyond. When we bring issues you do address them,
that you do look into them, that you do help us out to the best of your abilities. I think sometimes
the simple thank you’s go over looked. Since we do have our police chief in waiting, I’d like to
say congratulations to Scott Ruszkowski on the record.
Samuel Brown – CUBG 222 Navarre St., South Bend – I am looking forward to the new police
chief that's going to be sworn into office pretty soon. By trying to turn the city back around and
make the neighborhood safe again, I think with the rash of shootings, deaths, drug house, we
need to sit down with the new police chief and try to get our neighborhood back in the hands of
the citizens of South Bend. I am looking forward to that. I am going to give him all the support
that I can. I am asking the Council to do the same.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to come before the Council, President Tim Scott adjourned the
meeting at 11:28 p.m.
ATTEST: ATTEST:
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John Voorde, City Clerk Tim Scott, President
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