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T.J. responded anywhere from a hundred and twenty (120) to a hundred and fifty (150) <br />depending on the course. As is noticeable from 2011 to 2012 all three (3) courses went up and <br />that is almost certainly because of the weather. <br />Councilmember Jo M. Broden asked how often the courses are closed because it is raining and <br />how often are they closed after the rain because the greens are too soggy and not draining <br />properly. <br />T.J. responded at Erskine it is a bigger concern because of the layout surrounding the course. <br />Some days a really rainy day will take a course out for the next day as well because the course <br />can't be played. There are times one course is down but another one isn't because of where <br />storms hit the hardest. <br />Ron O'Conner asked how the revenue is allocated to each course when there is a season pass <br />person playing X amount of rounds. <br />T.J. responded the revenue is allocated based off of a percentage of season pass rounds played at <br />each course. <br />Ron O'Conner asked if there has ever been a plan to try and turn around these declining numbers <br />which are decreasing at all courses. <br />T.J. responded that a big problem he has seen is that nobody knew where the courses were. <br />Competition has a lot to do with it as people spread out their rounds not just at the municipal <br />courses but at the private courses in the area as well. He stated one of his goals obviously as the <br />new director of golf operations is to see these numbers turn around. The 2008 decline had to do a <br />lot with the recession. <br />Sally Derengoski stated nowhere has she seen the outings income for Elbel and asked what is the <br />philosophy for the two 18 (eighteen) hole courses and managing outings between them. <br />T.J. stated the outing fee is basically the same as the daily fee and are allocated in the data as <br />daily fee rounds. They try to always have communication between Elbel and Erskine so that both <br />courses are not closed on the same day because of outings. There is also the fear of having too <br />many outings because you want to be careful that season pass holders can come on the days they <br />want and golf and not be turned away because of an outing. <br />Dan Farrell commented that daily fee rounds at Elbel are actually steady or even up a bit from <br />2011 to 2015 but the revenue is down at the same time period about six (6) percent and the <br />seasonal pass rounds played are down considerably more but their revenue loss is less. It would <br />be interesting to figure out how those numbers add up because that is a bit stranger. <br />T.J. Mannen responded it might have to do with time of day. When the fees were changed, the <br />charges for dusk and dawn rates were changed significantly to boost those times more. <br />Councilmember Jo M. Broden asked if there are different prices for county and city residents <br />