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Hostetler. Well, its just going to come out to here, where this sidewalk meets the major sidewalk. It's not going to extend that far out. It's going to give them the pitch that they need. Zeiger: I don't want to belabor it too long, I'm just... visually, when you build a ramp that's 30 in off the ground, and you add a 4ft railing on top of that, you've got a 7 ft wall essentially going up and coming out past .... when you come out past the porch, that railing is going to have to be to Code and when you add height for the ramp its going to start to get pretty... Hostetler: The neighbors' fence right here is 6ft. Zeiger: That's not a 6 ft fence. Klusczinski: It's probably about 4. Hostetler: If you were over here, there's a lattice type of an affair that's not painted if you stand there, it's like this (gesturing over her head). Zeiger: I'm not worried about the back yard. This is the area I'm concerned with. Thank you, that's what I wanted to point out. Patrick: Would you have any recommendations with any of that Todd? Zeiger: Not that we can answer without the applicant. Klusczinski: I would like to amend the application items for the Edgewater Place standards. I agree with everything that staff inserted for that. However, according to the particular guide book for this district, a handicap or access ramp falls under new construction and new construction guidelines were not included on the report; particularly: building materials in new construction. `Required: Exterior materials on new structures shall be compatible in type, scale, texture and' color with adjacent structures. Materials used on an addition to an existing structure shall relate to the existing or the original materials of that structure. As much of the original structure shall be retained so that the addition could be removed with damage to the basic structure and appearance of the building'. And then there are some other allowances. I think that speaks to materials and to scale and some of the other things for new construction for a feature that was not previously available there. Any other questions for staff? Onward to Commission discussion then. Does anyone have any thoughts or comments beyond what we've entertained? Chase: It probably would be good to ask them before they get their C of A what they... Hostetler: They were going to put in a wooden one, but they realized that the maintenance issues with weeding underneath it and keeping it clean and try to do anything in that narrow of a space, so they went with a more solid concrete construction so that they wouldn't have to deal with that issue. Klusczinski: Unless maybe they poured a pad on the bottom side to keep the weeds out and then built up from that. Do we have any precedent or any other experience for handicapped ramps or anything like this in this particular district? Hostetler: No. Klusczinski: Ok. Zeiger: Is there any other thought to offer the applicant, I think that it is one inch to a foot but I believe that there is a length limit that you're allowed to go without a landing. You're not supposed to go much farther than I thought, it was 12 feet. Don't quote me on that. Check on that. I think you're to go a certain run, and then land for four feet, then you go up a run and a land. That way if you had someone and they got out of control then they'd have an opportunity to stop. That being said, that just pushes that ramp further out, so there are just some issues that need to be worked on this. I'm a little concerned that it's going to have, I mean, I'm not opposed to the ramp; I know that's important to have. I'm just concerned about visually what that's going to look like, especially in concrete. It's not going to be easily remedied if it's not done right. Klusczinski: Then should we consider that it may be appropriate to table this particular C of A until we can discuss it with the petitioner either at the next meeting or at another time to iron out their details. Chase: Did they state an emergency to get this done quickly? Hostetler: It's not an emergency. Chase: Ok, then tabling would be ok. Hostetler. I don't know when they wanted to get it done. Klusczinski: And unfortunately we can't ask them that. 7