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replaced with aluminum clad simulated divided light and there are a number on the north side of the house and one on the west that have been replaced with aluminum clad, some with divided light, some not. Klusczinski: Have you considered replacing any of the rotted wood windows with in-kind wood replacement windows. Neal: Our concern with being on the second floor with such full exposure and especially on the east side where there is no eave- the roof edge is maybe an inch over the stucco side. The weathering is really extreme, so we would prefer from a maintenance stand point to match the aluminum clad windows that have already been replaced so that we can spend our time maintaining as many of the original windows as possible- they're going to take some good coats of paint to keep them in good shape. In this particular location it's subject to a lot of wear. Klusczinski: I just wanted to clarify one point from the staff. Catherine you mentioned that it says that aluminum clad windows have been allowed in the past. Did you have any documentation of when those C of As came before the Commission and when that was allowed? Hostetler: No. Klusczinski: Do you know in fact that they were allowed by the Commission or was it done.. ? Hostetler: We don't know. Klusczinski: So maybe no body allowed them. Hostetler: But they're there. Klusczinski: They were done, but that's not to say that... Hostetler: We don't have any way of going back unless we go back through all of the C of A boxes because they're not filed by address. MNeal: I would note that we did have the windows replaced on the north side, with aluminum clad, in the work that was completed last year. And then the rest of it was done in the original cedar wood framing around it. Hostetler: We don't know when those kitchen windows were done. MNeal: No, we don't know either. We've also bought our contractor, Bob Grant. Klusczinski: Idents yourself, please. Grant: Bob Grant, Bob Grant construction, 512 Tasher Street, South Bend. This is a wood window with aluminum cladding on the exterior, the way this is set up, all that you're going to see from the outside is the sash. Aluminum on the sash and a 5/8 aluminum frame around it. Around that, right now, is someone's replacement of the original hand hewn trim. We have found a supplier for hand hewn cedar trim that we're going to replace around the windows to match the windows around the rest of the house. So, all you're going to see is a 5/8 inch brown aluminum clad frame and the sash itself. But it is a wood window. Sassano: Which of these are you replacing to match the original hand hewn cedar? Grant: You've got the pictures so you can see those series of windows, and there is mullions between the windows, and there's trim above the windows that was originally hand hewn some of it is now rough sawn cedar, some of it is #2 pine, a variety of materials that have been replaced over the years. We're going to replace that trim on the exterior of the window with the hand hewn so that it looks just like the original. Sassano: So some of this work will actually entail restoration to in-kind or.... Grant: Yes, the trim around the windows on the outside. All of what's up there now is weathered and rotten, and we're going to replace it with the hand hewn that was original. Roush: And I'm part of their entourage, Lance Roush, 17850 New Road, Bremen. The whole point of the Marvin exterior cladding is to maintain an architectural set back like original wood windows had. In fact, there's actually a putty line that's in the aluminum extrusion as well as a line to simulate an exterior stop like would have been on original 12