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162 <br />favor the latter. Especially when long term maintenance is considered.' By insulated glass <br />163 <br />I assume that he means encapsulated. Do you want me to go on? Any other thoughts? <br />164 <br />Sassano: I certainly have a lot of respect for Mr. Duvall, but we are talking about the four <br />165 <br />simplest windows in the house in that they're four rectangle shapes. I don't think that it's <br />=6 <br />97 <br />any secret that there's going to beat some point in time a grand scheme here. One of the <br />195 <br />things that I think that we often overlook in these houses is the quality of the glass itself. <br />168 <br />And oftentimes when we retrofit them it requires discarding the glass. Whether it's to put <br />169 <br />in a Y inch insulated unit or not. The thing that I like the most about the proposal is that <br />170 <br />we're saving these sashes. They're going to be there and if a future owner wants to put <br />171 <br />them back in and go with an interior or exterior storm, to me that's the single most <br />172 <br />important aspect of what we're doing. And I think once we accomplish the goal of saving <br />173 <br />the authentic material which is literally just pulling it out of it's, there's literally no <br />174 <br />construction to the sash itself, then we're left with what's the visual character of the <br />175 <br />window. And I think that the tilt pac as presented is as close as we're going to get with any <br />176 <br />kind of a modern thing. Regarding the mahagony, which this offers an option for, I think <br />177 <br />that there's an assumption there that this window becomes the long term solution. I'm not <br />178 <br />sure that it's necessarily appropriate to demand a higher quality when I view this as a non - <br />179 <br />invasive alteration in which the original material is kept fully in tact. That, to me, is the.... <br />180 <br />Klusczinski: Do you reconcile that with the language in the guidebook? <br />181 <br />Sassano: Um... <br />182 <br />Klusczinski: ...for windows that are not yet deteriorated beyond repair? <br />183 <br />Sassano: I don't. I'm going to plead naivete, this is my second meeting. I have read the <br />184 <br />guidelines; my familiarity is more with the National Register guidelines and the Secretary <br />185 <br />of the Interior's standards which are always trying to strike a balance between improved <br />186 <br />environmental control and maintaining authentic fabric. And, again, the national <br />187 <br />standards focus more on authentic fabric, I mean, it's important that it's actually 100 years <br />188 <br />old. And so the saving of authentic fabric is paramount when possible. In this case, the <br />189 <br />thought is you know, 10 years from now who knows where the technology is, what's the <br />0 <br />opportunity to do better insulation in the walls with some new material and we can then <br />1 <br />put the older windows back in and you know the respective loss to the heating and cooling <br />192 <br />loads could be greatly diminished, who knows? Um, so that's how I'll answer your <br />193 <br />question- no I don't reconcile it because it says to me, although I've been known for <br />194 <br />parsing a few words now and then, original doors, windows and hardware shall not be <br />195 <br />discarded when they can be restored or reused in place. Um, that... well, they're not being <br />196 <br />discarded. It's open to interpretation. <br />197 <br />Klusczinski: Well, and the other thing — requirement: original windows and doors shall be <br />198 <br />retained. And when deteriorated beyond repair implying that would be the replacement <br />199 <br />option, they shall be replaced with units and trim resembling the original. <br />200 <br />Sassano: What I'm giving deference to here really is to the glass over the wood. I'd rather <br />201 <br />see the original glass stored in the basement than removed and discarded to save a] <br />202 <br />inch piece of wood. I'd rather see that window come back in with its original hand floated <br />203 <br />glass at some future time and date. I just don't know that we have the jurisdiction to say no <br />204 <br />you can't do anything. That's where ... uh, can well tell somebody that they're not allowed <br />205 <br />to improve the energy efficiency of their home, I don't know. <br />206 <br />Metiever: The short answer is yes. You do have that authority if it detracts from the <br />207 <br />exterior appearance of the structure. <br />208 <br />Sassano: Well right see, but I don't think that you can argue that it detracts from the <br />209 <br />exterior appearance; it only detracts from the original authentic value. And that's where... <br />210 <br />Klusczinski: And neither would David, keeping the original windows and installing interior <br />211 <br />storms. That could accomplish the same... <br />--21? <br />Sassano:-0h,-there's no question that there are options; -and againTI don't know that it's <br />213 <br />our job to direct what has to be done as much as it is to react to what's being proposed. <br />4 <br />He's submitting the application and we have to react to its appropriateness. <br />5 <br />Metiever: That's true. <br />4 <br />
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