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I mean by majority decision because we did have some dissention in the past, and I'll certainly be honest about that; but I certainly believe that there is rationale and that the existing wooden windows can be restored and the drafty condition exhibited by those windows is a characteristic of some of the glass panels sliding down which is a maintenance issue and not necessarily a course for the replacement of an entire feature in an historic building. So those are some of the other options that we are trying to weigh ourselves through. The house, certainly, is high profile landmark and for whatever reason or purpose for the last 135 plus years the existing windows are intact; which is a rare feature, in and of it self. None of us probably would claim that we are the last people standing in our houses or the last and final owners of our houses; and Professor, you and I both hale from the Chapin Park Historic District and we know that, so I guess in the spirit of stewardship what we are trying to do is to look beyond just a convenience issue for a particular petitioner and also do things in the best interest for the structure in the long term. When I have been able to physically investigate the windows, and we did over a year ago, we convened a committee and we met with Professor Enderle at his residence at least once and maybe up to three times, I think between Staff and members of the Standards and Maintenance Committee, it wasn't apparent to us that the windows are damaged beyond repair or that it's worth setting precedent to allow something that other people in the community have been able to go into compliance with. So, those are some of the issues that we also have to consider. Rodes: Well, I now, I have, I was called into this case to render legal advice and I have tried to limit myself to it. My argument is based on the supposition that the change will not be a notable change that is the language, conspicuous, the word conspicuous appears in the ordinance. And I have.... Klusezinski: But have you investigated, either from a national, state or local level, what affect that has upon a local landmark? Because to some extent everything is ascertainable from the outside appearance; just because you and I could pass by and not necessarily notice it one particular day, doesn't mean it detracts from the market value and the rating of the structure as far as the state goes. Rodes: Now, the word "conspicuous", I have looked at the dictionary meaning of the word "feature" and I don't think these are conspicuous changes or changes in the feature. I don't think that they are changes in the historical or architectural character of the building. Those are the things....now...I think, certainly the Commission is right to look at more authenticity in dealing with the issue trying to reach a compromise with the homeowner and, my client has been in discussion with the Commission Staff for well over a year; and my client is still open more authentic option that is available to meet his needs. But, I think... Klusczinski: Several were presented in the past. Rodes: The ones that have been presented in the past, he has not found acceptable. Now I gather that he was visited by Mr. Ujdak the other day... Klusczinski: Mr. Ujdak is not here to corroborate that, one way or the other. Rodes: He informed me that he was visited by Mr. Ujdak who made another suggestion and certainly my client is open to considering that suggestion even after this is granted. But I don't think or... Klusezinski: Or denied as the case may be ... [End of Tape #1 side A] N.