Ben and Carrie Modlin vs. Historic Preservation Commission (COA#2019-1007A)

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Commissioner Annis clarified that that when a warranty issue were to come up,it was not the product,but the way it was installed. Specialist Toering clarified that he believed that this was true for roofs or other construction products;improper installation results in more failures for any product—its typically not the product itself. Commissioner Downs-Krostenko stated that it is not that hard to install wood siding. Commissioner Gelfman asked that,if wood siding were acquired,what the installation costs would be. Mr.Modlin stated that they were instructed to quotes for cost for installing the different materials,and that the supplied quotes are what was provided. Commissioner Deegan asked if other alternative materials were investigated,for example,Hardee Board. Mr.Modlin stated that in conversations with North Coast,the representative did not support installing cement board on the house,allegedly due to the loss of lawsuits. Regarding other wood quotes,he could not find many. Commissioner Downs-Krostenko asked if they had considered doing the house one side at a time. Mr.Modlin expressed that he had considered it,but that it would be a five-year project of work in the summers. Ms.Modlin stated that this option would subject their children to years with whatever material is in the walls. Commissioner Hertel expressed that the Commission fully supports removing the material from the wall cavities in the pursuit of creating a healthy environment for their family. Mr.Modlin explained that removing the cellulose material from the inside,it would remove the lathe and plaster,and that the siding is already in a deteriorated condition,and that removing the siding would be easier. Commissioner Downs-Krostenko agreed that doing it from the outside is easier,and that you would not have to remove all the siding to do it. Commissioner Gelfman stated that the estimate would come to about$22,000(and that includes taking off the 7%tax)and would not include her labor. Mr.Modlin produced the proposed siding and demonstrated how it worked together. Commissioner Downs-Krostenko inquired about the size difference between the proposed siding and the original siding. Mr.Modlin indicated that of the$11,000 for the Celect PVC,half of that cost is already installed on the house. Commissioner Downs-Krostenko suggest that a motion regarding the preservation of the architectural details as a separate piece from the replacement of the siding. Commissioner Stalheim asked the applicant about the lifespan of the material in direct sunlight. Mr.Modlin stated that Royal makes a lot of products. Commissioner Downs-Krostenko indicated the average lifespan of vinyl siding is about 25 years. The average lifespan of original wood,if properly maintained,is about 160 years;it cost more upfront,but has a longer lifespan. The vinyl will go into the landfill sooner. Mr.Modlin stated they did not plan on going anywhere any time soon. Ms.Modlin stated they were invested in the property. Commissioner Stalheim asked about how the material is joined together. Mr.Modlin explained that it is connected by PVC glue. Commissioner Gelfman asked for a motion to break the project into two portions. Commissioner Stalheim made a motion to divide COA#2019-1007A-Continued into two components, 1)the treatment and the preservation of the architectural details,2) replacement of the siding. Commissioner Annis seconded the motion. Seven in favor,none opposed. Vote: 7—0. Motion to separate COA#2019-1007A into two components passes. Commissioner Stalheim stated that the treatment of the architectural details should be maintained`in-kind.' Commissioner Downs-Krostenko asked to clarify what architectural details would be covered in the motion:does it include corner boards,window sills,trim,fascia. Mr.Modlin stated that the inside corner boards and the outside corner boards would be of PVC. Commissioner Downs-Krostenko asked if that would impact the fascia,soffit,and sills. Mr.Modlin stated that it would end at the frieze board. Commissioner Gelfman stated that the windows were already replaced. Commissioner Downs-Krostenko asked for staff's sentiment as to how this should be separated. Administrator Feasel stated that separating projects does occur,that the Commission has not typically wanted to see windows wrapped with aluminum or other materials,but the interplay of original wood with the plastic material is unknown. Commissioner Downs-Krostenko stated that it could be determined at staff's discretion after investigation of the cases. That attaching the vinyl material to the wood could cause problems. Mr.Modlin stated that there is transitional board that would come up to the frieze board and stop. Commissioner Hertel stated that,when the Commission is discussing the maintenance of original`architectural details',that the original wood shiplap is an architectural detail.