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6. OLU BUSINESS (Cont'd) in mind to say, look, this is my town; I want a place to perform. But, if this is what you want to do, you can wipe the slate clean today and say, 'No, you people were not important to the whole project that we have as a downtown. "' Not too many months ago, we were all interested in getting people acti- ated to come to the downtown area of this City. There are some of us ho have worked very hard in the past year and a half to make this illu- ion that became a reality -- starting with the Press's help, with Hallo - een and everything on down.the line, and I have to agree with what r. Farrand has to say, but we have parks all over this community that re not utilized to their fullest extent either, and by the ratio if e were going to run some sort of a chc:rt as to which was used more- - he parks vs. the downtown area by the young people, the oldsters, and he people who were wanting to perform and did perform by the efforts f those few people who sit on the Advisory Committee who made it possi- le, and enlightened to them. If this is what we are going to do and ipe it out today, then let's do it, but not with any generosity. Let's of hesitate any longer, because we are in the third session of this ommission on this subject. Just say, we don't need it: We don't need ou people -- PERIOD:" e Chair called on Mr. Kagel, if he had anything to say? Ir. John R. Kagel, Executive Director, Downtown South Bend Council, - esponded, "I can only say, that you, gentlemen, have it within your ower to meet the dreams and wishes of the people of this community. Ir. Soltesz has pointed this out. This is something.which the people f the community are entitled to; the youth of our community are ntitled to; and, if we - -in this City - -do not have the 'gray matters,' o use an innovative method for this expression by the people of our ommunity - -if we have to place our hands in a stock catalog order ook, to say, this is what you are going to have, I think we have allen to a new low:" r. Allen E. Schrager said, "I feel that it would be nice to have the tage if we could afford it; but, if we can't afford it, we have to ut forth with what finances are available, and it is up to the Com- issioners to make the decision." rs. Janet S. Allen added, "Well, I still say and support the state - ents that have been made on the parks. The parks, as has been mentioned, ave not been used too much in the winter either. The Century Center's ees for operating and having shows in there- -those are going to be retty high. This is the only place for free entertainment. Insofar s completing the Mall the way the original plan was set up, I don't hink the plan is that good: There isn't that much room among the rees and around the boxes and the walls and fountains for the people o stand and watch the things that are going on. I do think the plan hat I submitted- -and I haven't seen anything more of that- -and it is simplified plan: I realize that, at the time, it was too simple - -to e executed, really -- because it didn't involve enough money. All the oney that would have gone into the trees, the planters, the boxes, - 7 -